The Syndicate

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2024 3:57 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2024 3:51 pm Could easily flip back. I don’t actually trust anyone outside sig/Tony.
Stop being intentionally mean, you trust me.

I don’t know what’s “mean” about that, but I had no such intention.

Could easily flip back. I don’t actually trust anyone outside sig/Tony.

[VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

Yesterday’s epiphany about LoRab being a “slam dunk” while he was leading the poll seems convenient.

Unvoting for the moment so LoRab can breathe a bit.

@LoRab if you had to choose just two suspects to be the mafia team, who would they be?

This game drives me nuts.

Thanks for your careful consideration of things, sig, whatever you decide.

Tony moved so [VOTE: LoRab] aubergine

Wanted to keep the wagons close to maintain a pressured environment. I am still listening to all arguments.

If it isn’t her then good game and well played.

I'm sure mafia do say that sometimes!

To be clear, that wasn't meant to convey a flavor of everyone seems so golden and good!, but rather [/i]everyone has moments of seeming fine, I guess, I don't know, whatever[/i]. The struggle is discrimination. All y'all have looked the same to me for much of the game.

Perhaps today we're beginning to separate though. That'd be timely.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2024 12:49 am Very well. Just for my own satisfaction, why did you say everyone has seemed town at one point or another?

(And you can tell me to kiss my own ass if you want- fair is fair)

Valid question. There are levels to it. I think that LoRab has, at least for brief moments, looked earnest when I am viewing her posts as she adds them to the thread. I felt that way, if only vaguely, when she first returned after her silent Day 1. It is not a quality read on my part, and that sweeping claim of mine applies to LoRab less than to the rest. Her overall body of work in this game is well within her mafia-aligned capabilities.

What I like most about LoRab and/or falcon theory is that it isn't coming from me. Kagemusha Mafia me is not a me that I want to follow.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2024 12:46 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2024 10:58 pm What has Epignosis actually done in this game that is indicative of his being a civilian? Serious question.

Everyone has seemed town at one point or another. Who cares anymore. Raise the bar.
Oh Jay. Dear Jay.

Explain what Lorab has done that has fit this description.

Nothing. LoRab can absolutely be mafia. She probably is mafia.

I think I am on board. I'm going to let my vote sit for a bit for reasons. Also Tony didn't say anything about my offer to lock my vote, so I'm not obligated to lock it. :P

Glorfindel is good people.

If the team is LoRab and falcon, then win or lose this is one of Long Con's finest hours as a civilian.

Maybe I am a moron for relying on a claimed independent to be my rock in this game, but what else am I gonna do.

@TonyStarkPrime, may we need to reconsider here? I know where reconsidering has gotten me in this game, but what's one more?

LoRab wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2024 4:24 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2024 2:00 pm
sig wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2024 1:57 pm What’s your thought on Lorab’s vote
I don't care for it. I was surprised that she agreed with my rationale when it squarely implicated her, and she submitted to the vote with no resistance. I'm not sure how to interpret that right now from the standpoint of a falcon/LoRab team theory, but it makes me suspect LoRab more on her own.
It was partly your logic, and mostly his reaction to it.

Yes, it implicates me, because I’m a low poster in this game, but I know I’m not bad, and so it’s likely one of the other quieter posters. I’d say it’s likely a newer player, because newer players don’t always know how to kill strategically in games in general.

Confusing moment to navigate with respect to the present conversation:

When I went on my bit about the DrWilgy kill blunder and what it meant, my first guess for the team was LoRab and falcon. Then she supported the theory. What do I do with that?

Another way to put it -- if the only real candidates to be a mafia teammate of LoRab are the three people currently voting for LoRab, then falcon's vote packs the least punch.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2024 12:08 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2024 12:04 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2024 11:57 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2024 11:55 pm falcon is my best guess. Like... not JJJ, not Epi, not Tony, not sig. Not me.
Noted.
That's been a hangup for me. If it's those two they've had some decent moments of distancing. LC raised valid points to the contrary, and your perspective could tip the scale.
Who would be LoRab's partner from your perspective?

Five hours ago I'd have said you and Long Con are the best fits with LoRab. I'm not sure anymore, and if I move away from both then I end up where LC ended up -- falcon is the only name left (barring masterwork from sig or Tony).

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2024 11:57 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2024 11:55 pm falcon is my best guess. Like... not JJJ, not Epi, not Tony, not sig. Not me.
Noted.

That's been a hangup for me. If it's those two they've had some decent moments of distancing. LC raised valid points to the contrary, and your perspective could tip the scale.

LoRab wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2024 4:37 pm This post pinged my suspiciometer:

Simon wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2024 10:34 pm I just realized that one of the advantages that I have in this game so far,(and it's a big one for people like JJJ,)is the fact that I have zero history playing this, (without any help at least.)

The reason I used JJJ as an example is because from what I understand, his play style revolves around comparing people from past experiences, such as being Mafia from a previous game.

From what I understand, JJJ can't seem to get a good read on me. Because at first he was accusing and/or questioning me.

However since my most recent large post, (about JJJ throwing crap at people,) he suddenly started to suspect me less, which I don't understand. But if I wrote it well, then fine, ok sure.

But from recent replies, people were already likely to figure that out sooner or later, so again, I don't know how a single Post can change so much about wether you trust someone or not.
Too much reminding us that he’s inexperienced and mentions this in other posts, as well. It feels a lot like nope, not me, don’t kill the newbie. It just didn’t sit right with me.

On the topic, this accusation isn't quite fair either. Simon didn't appeal to anyone in those comments based on his inexperience; he even called it an advantage.

Let me think it through with just night kills. motobot makes sense for anyone, so I'll focus on Scotty and Wilgy.

LoRab - no reason to doubt she killed either of them
sig - Wilgy town read him, Scotty had no opinion
Long Con - Scotty suspected him, Wilgy lightly town read him
Epignosis - Scotty lightly town read him, Wilgy town read him
falcon - Scotty town read him (no commentary), Wilgy heavily suspected him
Tony - Scotty town read him with some protest, Wilgy lightly suspected him

This didn't really help much. It's consistent with LoRab/falcon theory. Perhaps it's a boon for Epignosis. It's inconclusive otherwise.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2024 11:27 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2024 11:26 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2024 11:22 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2024 3:12 pm [VOTE: lorab] aubergine @LoRab If you're town, come help us solve
Is this Town falcon, trying to sort players on this do-or-die Day?
I did think he showed some urgency in his other posts. You could argue the vote lacks urgency though, sure.

Tony said earlier that he refused to vote falcon. I think LoRab is probably the only viable alternative under the circumstances unless he changes his mind about that.
Jesus, ok, then I'll vote Lorab so that option is apparent. You still think it's Epi?

I'm not sure. I don't trust anything happening in my own head, frankly. I don't think anything Epignosis has said today makes him town, but if he were to flip town I would be unsurprised. I'm thinking about people more in terms of association than individually at this point.

Every single player has little town-like moments that in a normal game would be worthless on Day 4 (because there would be much better evidence available), and once again I feel like I am guessing. This truly has been a miserable game (no disrespect to leetic or his setup at all, it's on the players myself included).

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2024 11:22 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2024 3:12 pm [VOTE: lorab] aubergine @LoRab If you're town, come help us solve
Is this Town falcon, trying to sort players on this do-or-die Day?

I did think he showed some urgency in his other posts. You could argue the vote lacks urgency though, sure.

Tony said earlier that he refused to vote falcon. I think LoRab is probably the only viable alternative under the circumstances unless he changes his mind about that.

Granted, falcon's vote could change that too if he remains open-minded (if he's town).

We're forced to have an immediate sense of urgency this evening even if we still have another 23 hours. If @TonyStarkPrime is going to be gone and we assume sig is voting for me, then Tony's vote effectively becomes the person who dies. We have to consolidate.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2024 11:14 pm Since I did my own look at Lorab's ISO, have have a different viewpoint that recognizes the possibility of some simple distancing between Lorab and falcon that could be team-indicative.

It's not impossible. It'd be very valuable if you could pull out a post or two that guides you toward that conclusion.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2024 11:08 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2024 11:03 pm You've addressed things in my posts that you have taken issue with, Epignosis, so I don't need to see that expanded on. But it'd be useful to know why you think LC is the other one.
The "Let's be towncore" rubbed me the wrong way. You seem gleefully excited to finish the game on me, and LC doesn't seem to mind following suit.

That's my assessment of Day 4.

I have had the same thought about him a few times amid my turbulence. @Long Con could stand to describe what it was that sold him on an Epi vote.

Also, Epi, what do you think of falcon?

You've addressed things in my posts that you have taken issue with, Epignosis, so I don't need to see that expanded on. But it'd be useful to know why you think LC is the other one.

I mean that respectfully.

I have considered Long Con and LoRab as a possible team. If Epignosis is not mafia, I don't know what else it'd be. I'm also not sure it matters, because I don't see how we win this game regardless of who it is.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2024 10:51 pm That isn't an affront to the host or anybody else. My eyeballs hurt. I'm tired. Mafia is a thing to do when the shift is over, but I don't always have the strength for it.

JJJ knows this. He just hosted me. LC I think knows this.

Mafia are just railroading me into oblivion for a quick win because weekends are shit for me.

Sometimes you say things like this, and it is absolutely never correct. It may be honest, because I've seen you say it before when you're honest. Let me be very clear:

I do not keep a schedule with Epignosis' daily activities posted on the wall above my computer screen. Your weekends, or how shit they may be, has never entered my brain in the process a single Mafia game (or even the process of pretending to solve one).

Assessing players' investment in who dies and why is, well, the whole game? What are we doing here otherwise?

(Glorfindel the Mafia player was long known for a "trust tell" in which he refused to lie under any circumstances)

@TonyStarkPrime if you'd prefer LoRab over Epi, I will follow you.

@Long Con present view of LoRab?

Smugness, when applicable, is best reserved for post-game. No smug.

LoRab wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 2:36 pm Current thoughts:

I’m of 2 minds on LC, because I read him wrong last game. But he has been pingy. Especially using the FEB emoji. So, not voting him for now, but keeping an eyeball there.

I do suspect Wilgy. His posts feel like he’s faking himself, if that makes sense. Like, he’s trying too hard to sound like civ wilgy…his tone just feels off. For the moment, I am voting there. Open to changing, but definitely suspecting.

[VOTE: wilgy ] aubergine

Also, voting someone with a vote already because self preservation, and I know I am civ.

@Epignosis why did you placeholder your vote on me?

Also, part of my challenge this came is that I’m still not at all used to closed games. So, I’m still doing some brain wrapping around. Working on it.

But first, a nap. Because this weekend was wonderful and exhausting. Mostly exhausting.

Based primarily on this.

It’s less clear from LC’s side.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2024 3:20 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2024 2:32 pm I hope LC is town, because that is so wise.

Is there any world where you see LC as Maf?

Let's say for the sake of argument you actually are Town...do you feel pocketed?

It’s quite possible. I think he’d most likely be teamed with LoRab if so.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2024 2:54 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2024 2:26 pm @TonyStarkPrime I will lock this vote today if you cannot be here tomorrow. I’d only change if forced by self-preservation.

Wait, are we able to lock votes?

Just by verbal contract. There’s no button.

I hope LC is town, because that is so wise.

@TonyStarkPrime in case that mention didn’t work

@TonyStarkPrime[/vote] I will lock this vote today if you cannot be here tomorrow. I’d only change if forced by self-preservation.

@falcon45ca I can’t get Epi to talk about you, so he’s either teamed with you or trying to make it look that way. If it’s the latter, only you can drive the wedge.

I may well be very skilled. I have done good things in my Mafia life. But everyone hits their floor sometimes, and it always seems to happen to me in games like this. I need a new approach to deploy when we enter POE-is-impossible mode, even if it’s a rare problem.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2024 12:33 pm I think Jay was aware that the AS was the Shingen, or at least thought it likely true, especially when you compare AS flip to every other one in the game...it was unique, and understated in a way that belied their role

Then Jay 4D chess the next phase by starting up the train of thought "Maf flubbed the kill"

Or is that to much tinfoil?

It’s hilarious to me being suspected of such deep insight in a game where I have been so clueless.

His responses to today’s suspicion might as well have been “tee hee neener neener”.

Epi is clearly mafia. I’m not sure about the teammate.

[VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2024 11:27 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2024 2:30 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2024 2:28 am So hypothetically if wolves knew Moto was Mason, they could kill Wilgy, collect the credit, and then grab the bag in time to keep going
I suppose that's a possible world. Before this takes the inevitable turn: I didn't really catch on to motobot as a likely BTSC until yesterday.

Speaking of imitating others, are you Long Con now?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2024 12:13 pm I should have voted for Jay day 2 and gotten someone else to do it with me

The game would definitely not be any better off. Cricket chirp chirp.

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