The Syndicate

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2024 11:18 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2024 2:41 am posting Tony style is kinda therapeutic
This is the 2nd time this game you've made a point to imitate a player's posting style...is this something you do often?

I can't say I've ever seen it before

I wouldn’t say I do it “often”. I don’t know why that is important to you.

just putting words in here and having a go

posting Tony style is kinda therapeutic

or Tony is mafia and outed his mech strat to taunt me

or sig is mafia and is playing the best game of his career

I think falcon has made some posts that look town. Most of them don't, but some do. I am not extremely confident about him in an individual sense (though POE that leads me to him feels a bit better).

However, everyone alive fits that description. Something's gotta give. I could vote Epignosis, because I think there's reason for a stronger deviation from the status quo than falcon would represent. Beyond those two I am kind of just stuck. Long Con and LoRab are possible. I just don't know about their associations with other suspects or with each other.

Conceivable that motobot was killed as a universal town read that nobody would vote for and not because he was viewed as a BTSC candidate.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2024 2:28 am So hypothetically if wolves knew Moto was Mason, they could kill Wilgy, collect the credit, and then grab the bag in time to keep going

I suppose that's a possible world. Before this takes the inevitable turn: I didn't really catch on to motobot as a likely BTSC until yesterday.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2024 2:26 am You’re good at mafia explain to me why we’re sitting here on day 4 with a solid town core since day 2 and our PRs dead and no wolf flips

I'm sure as hell not good at Mafia in this game, but we're here because there has been no good avenue to solve this at any juncture. We've been guessing and it hasn't worked. There isn't enough substantive content to assess for association, and too few players have effectively cleared themselves. And the highest poster is a tinfoil magnet who will inherently draw a brunt of suspicion for each successive miss (not whining, just acknowledging the reality).

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2024 2:24 am Ok numbers game. Let’s say wolves are 100 percent sure Moto is the partner, it’s N2, there are 10 remaining. They kill Moto,
7v2
three dead a day, one mischop

It doesn’t change it right? Still two day kills?

I think what you're saying works out. It reduces to either 3-1 or 2-1

I don't have a super compelling reason to dissociate Epi and Long Con

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2024 2:21 am Cause it’s another chop, right?

Not following your meaning -- are you referring to what happens if Epi goes today?

If it isn't falcon, I'd have to open doors within the Epi/LoRab/Long Con trio. Let me revisit what I said about some of those a bit ago.

If it is Epi/falcon, we'll need to discuss the merits of taking out Epi first. If it's right and sig, Epi, and I are all alive in the next day, town probably loses.

Not sure here, but I worry.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2024 2:13 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2024 2:10 am Debating between defending my mafia-aligned prowess in the face of this slander and just letting Tony have his stream of consciousness.
You have like half a dozen posts this game where you say something like “man if I were a wolf right now [I wouldn’t be doing this]”

If, when you say "range", you mean "the variance in strategic preference" -- that's narrow, and your assessment is more or less appropriate.

If you mean "how well he is capable of playing the game in that alignment" -- SLANDER

Anyway there was a good reason to doubt Simon was the BTSC haver so meh

Debating between defending my mafia-aligned prowess in the face of this slander and just letting Tony have his stream of consciousness.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2024 12:29 am You act as though I've given this entire game the benefit of my thought...and you just said...

"Epi has not given a single shit who has been eliminated any day phase."

I suspect you'd have given a shit if falcon was closer to death.

What is your read on him? Say something about falcon.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2024 12:26 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2024 12:10 am It should be plenty apparent that I am not teamed with Epignosis, and not just based on today.
Now you're speaking truth!

Way to ignore the previous bit about Long Con and I. Inconsistent with your obvious agenda.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 28, 2024 12:07 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 28, 2024 12:06 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 28, 2024 12:01 am Oh, I read that.

I'm just saying I wouldn't mind playing the long game for credibility and I think you'd do something similar (and LC certainly wouldn't be opposed to that).
Maybe that's true in your case. But I am not making a mechanically suboptimal kill unless it provides some kind of clear and major psychological advantage. Killing Wilgy doesn't make me look any better, as evidenced by the current wagon. I'm not even sure the "gambit" approach would even occur to me as mafia, because I play the game straight. I pursue the advantage in front of me.

Anyway, if people aren't going to take this evidence seriously, then there's no reason for me to keep babbling about it. I'm glad this wasn't a mafia gambit, because good lord it sucked as a gambit. Absolute failure.
All right. I think that's a fair argument.

I also don't think an honest Epignosis is likely to accept anything I said yesterday about the Wilgy kill, true as it may have been. He is allergic to this stuff, so "okay fair" is hard to believe.

Epi has not given a single shit who has been eliminated any day phase. Look at his posts. He does not care. He has flirted with plenty votes himself on various candidates to be eliminated (at least including both Abigails, Simon, LoRab, and myself). The standout frequent wagons that he never contributed to nor acknowledged whatsoever were the falcon wagons.

The mafia are Epignosis and falcon. Confidence increasing.

It should be plenty apparent that I am not teamed with Epignosis, and not just based on today.

falcon has been complaining at me the whole game. He's clearly not my teammate.

sig wants my head on a pike. He's clearly not my teammate.

Tony is nobody's teammate, and I am a part of nobody. Everybody? Nobody. If you need a reason, I don't sign off on weird indy claims for no reason in mafia chat.

There are probably fewer good reasons for the outside observer to split me from LoRab, but I think her response to my Wilgy blunderkill theory and my response to that should be decent enough.

I fit with nobody.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2024 10:44 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2024 10:33 pm Whether folks believe me or not is their own prerogative. I don't give a damn at this point. But for my own peace of mind and perhaps for future reference (in my dreams):

Long Con, when civilian and accused, "annoys" me (for lack of a better word). This is not meant as a criticism of Long Con the person or even the player. He is doing nothing wrong. He is interacting with the game and pursuing what he believes to be appropriate, if he is a civilian. That's okay. But that is exactly what I was waiting for. To ignore accusations entirely and pretend the game barely exists is not quite the same as to laugh in my face for trying to sort him, and the latter has happened before more than once. It's annoying, it's tilting, but it has been authentic every past time I can remember it happening. So I moved my vote to falcon, who has not done anything to suggest he is a civilian.
Thank you and/or I'm sorry.

Everything here on this page should be good evidence that I am not teamed with Long Con.

BuT wHy ArE yOu BrInGiNg ThIs Up UnPrOmPtEd JjJ yOu WOLF????????????????????????

Can it, nerds. The game relies on us clearing people and clearing possible teams, or we're dead. That includes me.

I can already smell the prevailing counter theory -- that Long Con and I are both mafia. So before anyone even bothers trying to pull that crap, return to Day 1 and take a look.

LoRab is only mafia if she is with Long Con. While it's not conclusive, I think their interactions suggest otherwise. Maybe we just clear LoRab here too.

That would be unexpected and very welcome.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2024 10:33 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 28, 2024 12:26 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 28, 2024 12:24 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 28, 2024 12:04 am I suppose my hang up is the expectation that everyone is going to play "optimally" as mafia. I have hosted a ton and that just doesn't happen all the time.
To be clear: most people won't.

In this particular case, there is a core mechanic at work. Some people would miss it. I think some people would not. Tony would not. I know that I would not, but folks can take that or leave it.

I suspect you wouldn't miss it if you were mafia and had proper incentive to read and absorb all that stuff. But I don't have the same degree of confidence.
I do NOT have my head wrapped around this. Too busy.

[VOTE: LoRab] aubergine
Unlikely to be teamed with LoRab

Had momentarily forgotten this. Epi didn't seem to give a crap if LoRab was voted out, and I don't think that's his style with his teammates.

It’s not Epi Lorab

[VOTE: falcon45ca] aubergine

Citation: DrWilgy

@Long Con do you have an initial take on my view of Epignosis?

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2024 11:08 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2024 10:56 pm
sig wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2024 10:54 pm I also totally forgot about TSP in the above.

Do we think we have two independents? If not he has to be mafia right?

I could also see him being one to do a gambit with Wilgy
I don't believe he is independent. I think he was trying to draw a kill instead of Kagemusha. If he is independent, then whatever. I'm not voting for him.
He didn't need to make up a story to avoid being voted, as he was already generally Townread, right? You might be right.

If he really is hard claiming independent, then I suppose we'll see today. There's no reason to carry on the ruse now.

@TonyStarkPrime if Long Con is mafia, you're probably the one best-suited to tell me that. I am towning him right now, but I acknowledge I am taking leaps to do so. I feel like I have no choice.

What has Epignosis actually done in this game that is indicative of his being a civilian? Serious question.

Everyone has seemed town at one point or another. Who cares anymore. Raise the bar.

sig wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2024 10:56 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2024 10:54 pm
sig wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2024 10:51 pm However, my view on Jay hasn’t changed his willingness to switch from lorab/falcon to Simon is a red flag especially given his other theory which we were keeping quite but no point now.
I quite literally had no clue what do with my vote. Everyone felt like a guess. Ask yourself if you'd have a clue what you're doing if you didn't have me to sus about.

(I suspected motobot was the most likely Kagemusha/Shingen by a decent margin and accordingly never went after him beyond generic paranoia that he might be teamed with his dad -- Simon didn't even vote at EOD and seemed unconcerned that his own destruction would ruin the game).
Sorry Jay this is a tunnel I’m not leaving quite yet

But for the sake of the experiment if it isn’t you or epi we need 3

Falcon, lorab, TSP, and LC

If we say Falcon and lorab aren’t on a team that leaves one mafia one civ and TSP/LC

I’m mainly thinking we have two mafia, but the chance that we could have three means we need three at least in POE.

I think a reread of Falcon and lorab are in order.

I’m also leaning towards the AS voters as a good place to start

I think you need to get out of "it isn't Epi" -- your wise to have tinfoil right now, but I think you're pointing it at the wrong person.

Epi/falcon and Epi/LoRab seem like the most likely teams by a decent margin to me. Deciding which one is no simple task, but Epignosis is the common denominator.

sig wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2024 10:54 pm I also totally forgot about TSP in the above.

Do we think we have two independents? If not he has to be mafia right?

I could also see him being one to do a gambit with Wilgy

I don't believe he is independent. I think he was trying to draw a kill instead of Kagemusha. If he is independent, then whatever. I'm not voting for him.

sig wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2024 10:53 pmI think I need to totally reevaluate this game.

Don't say this and then proclaim total trust two lines later lol. Do it. View the game through town Jay's eyes (and town LC's and town LoRab's). It shouldn't be that hard.

sig wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2024 10:51 pm However, my view on Jay hasn’t changed his willingness to switch from lorab/falcon to Simon is a red flag especially given his other theory which we were keeping quite but no point now.

I quite literally had no clue what do with my vote. Everyone felt like a guess. Ask yourself if you'd have a clue what you're doing if you didn't have me to sus about.

(I suspected motobot was the most likely Kagemusha/Shingen by a decent margin and accordingly never went after him beyond generic paranoia that he might be teamed with his dad -- Simon didn't even vote at EOD and seemed unconcerned that his own destruction would ruin the game).

Long Con and LoRab -- meh
Long Con and falcon -- doubt it
Long Con and Epignosis - meh

LoRab and falcon - doubt it
LoRab and Epignsosis - meh

Epignosis and falcon - sure

Association reads. Epignosis is probably mafia.

sig wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2024 10:48 pm If epi is mafia we’re cooked and it may or may not be sigs fault

Things aren’t looking great, granted I didn’t pop up last phase in time so oops, BUT I don’t like how that Simon vote went down mafia definitely went along with it

We're only cooked if we don't vote him out today or tomorrow. That is achievable.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Mar 28, 2024 1:43 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Mar 28, 2024 8:47 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2024 3:21 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2024 1:50 pm
sig wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2024 1:47 pm Yea I’m not really a fan of anyone on the falcon wagon.

Lorab is probably the only solid read one the three.

I think ONLY focusing on the Wilgy flip and mech is very very dangerous and scummy in fact the more I think about it the less I like people making those cases.

It just seems like a really easy way for mafia to redirect the convo and just boom boom boom through civs with a ready made excuse.

Especially since Jay is already setting this up in a way to target low hanging fruit.

Plus, and I’ll keep going back to this, scotty mentioned Jay, Jay was almost voted out and wasn’t, but his counter wagon didn’t flip mafia? I think if you ignore the mech or even just think about it a bit more Jay looks bad.

My tinfoil throw on is Epi/Jay are two mafia members since epi did help swing away from Jay.

If we have 3 I’d consider either Falcon/Simon
You can have generic suspicion of me. Fine. But I do think you bear a responsibility to explain why I would make the single worst mechanical kill on the board. Wilgy, at EOD, explicitly chose to vote for Abigail Sophia over voting for me. He was never in that BTSC. Ever. Killing him is just wrong.

If we're stuck in you killed him so you could say this today world, then we're blundering right back. That stuff never matters.
Of course Wilgy did heavily sus you, as did Scotty.

I don't think it's as cut and dry as you're trying to make it out to be

Taking Wilgy out removes a clear & present danger to Maf Jay, same with Scotty, and NKing outside the AS wagon isn't guaranteed to actually get the extra kill...in fact, since we're looking at lynching a player NOT on AS wagon, it's possible Town could lynch Shingen
This post has sent me ISOing twice now. First time, I was like "Did Scotty really heavily suspect JJJ?" It was not what I remembered, but reading Scotty's ISO showed me the progression from townread to scumlean. So yeah, Scotty suspected JJJ, but "heavily suspect" is an exaggeration when it was a Scum Lean at its lowest point.

Second time, I looked at Wilgy again. Wilgy suspected falcon MORE than JJJ, and tried to shift the vote to him. His suspicion of JJJ was entirely a gut feeling as far as I can tell, contrasting what his head was telling him. If Wilgy "heavily suspected" JJJ, then he would have easily just voted for him and put him in the lead at Day's end.

So, I don't care for falcon's hyperbole here.
Yeah Wilgy sussed me as well, and he also had Jay as SR. I recall Jay & I being his top SRs, or thereabouts.

I also recall Scotty having Jay near the top of his scum list. I did not ISO him, I went from memory

It makes sense then to you that I kill Scotty for TR me, and then I kill Wilgy for SR me...why don't I just kill Wilgy N1? He was sus of me D1 IIRC

Long Con is not falcon's teammate. Long Con fits nicely with no suspects. Long Con is town.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 8:16 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 7:53 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 7:52 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 7:39 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 5:53 pm gif
What's your falcon read?

What’s your JaggedJimmyJay and/or Epignosis read?
I'm not doing reads right now.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 9:28 pm Scotty town Epi town

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2024 11:15 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2024 11:13 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2024 11:10 pm I won't lie, having the Epi family all in this game is a strange wrinkle that is a factor in how I think about it.
Agreed, it's an unavoidable piece of the puzzle. I keep finding myself trying to determine what their posts might look like if any of the Epi clan share BTSC, for example. I really don't know how to determine that though.
Like when Epi knew that they were going to come after you?

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2024 11:17 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2024 11:16 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2024 11:15 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2024 11:13 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2024 11:10 pm I won't lie, having the Epi family all in this game is a strange wrinkle that is a factor in how I think about it.
Agreed, it's an unavoidable piece of the puzzle. I keep finding myself trying to determine what their posts might look like if any of the Epi clan share BTSC, for example. I really don't know how to determine that though.
Like when Epi knew that they were going to come after you?
I thought about it. I wouldn't say Epi predicted or forecasted it, but I did wonder if he had a hand in it with at least one of them.
But what kind of Bush league mistake would that be for him to make?

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2024 11:22 pm I would be completely satisfied with starting a town core of JJJ, Long Con, and Epignosis. If you guys want to take the risk together.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2024 11:52 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2024 11:50 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2024 11:48 pm To be clear, sig posted this before that:

sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2024 2:35 am The scotty kill is odd, I’ll need to do an NKA of them though.

I don’t recall a single post by PA, however both Epi and Jay reasoning mirror the game that just ended where she was civ and also misvoted fairly early I think. (I died D2 and stopped paying attention, but we won so GoC 2024 here I come )
However, given that it looks like sig was copying notes from Night 1 (in the content you referenced), your point may stand. We're forced to take that or leave it, but I don't object at this point.
Oh, okay then. Jesus. Turning 40 sucks.
LOL. It looks towny for you anyway, so that's a plus.

Long Con has been pro-Epi most of the game. That's okay. Me too. Again I have to take a leap of faith here, but that last bit does not look teamed to me (the "LOL" reaction to Rpi interptreting sig).

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 5:07 pm
LoRab wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 2:36 pm Current thoughts:

I’m of 2 minds on LC, because I read him wrong last game. But he has been pingy. Especially using the FEB emoji. So, not voting him for now, but keeping an eyeball there.

Just because it's a reasonable piece of evidence to decry any emoji tells you might be implying:

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 2:20 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 2:17 pm Almost EoD and I'm actually short on time this cycle.

LC has significantly more resistance than Nutella, but the phase has felt pretty wagon stagnant. Oh well, with dueling wagons this game, I'm not sure if I'd be able to tell.

I feel like a teammate would be pushing for a 3rd option if one of these two were bad and I don't see that happening.
Maybe my Wolf team just believes in the power of my song.

A Wolf has a significant advantage in a musical duel against a Townie, because they are automatically up two votes, assuming a team of three.
For those of you playing along at home, this is from Battle of the Bands, aka "last game".

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Mar 28, 2024 9:02 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 28, 2024 8:53 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Mar 28, 2024 8:48 pm Why did you have to move off Simon?
See the gif above.

I am just shaky about voting alongside falcon and LoRab and where's another wagon on someone in my POE pool featuring two people I have an easier time trusting. I'm open to the Simon option. I might swap again. I dunno.

I said before that every vote feels like guessing in this game, and that is still true.
Lorab is the only "safe" vote you're willing to vote at this time, as she voted for AS.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Mar 28, 2024 9:52 pm Simon and Lorab both are not here to say anything.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Mar 28, 2024 9:52 pm At least Lorab voted.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Mar 28, 2024 9:53 pm I would hope that Shingen would take care of himself a little better, so I can handle Simon or Lorab as "safe".

This looks a lot more like a man shrugging because who the hell knows and not distancing. I am not completely sure, but at this point I never will be. Gonna just bank on these two not being mafia teammates (Long Con and LoRab).

LoRab wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 2:36 pm Current thoughts:

I’m of 2 minds on LC, because I read him wrong last game. But he has been pingy. Especially using the FEB emoji. So, not voting him for now, but keeping an eyeball there.

I do suspect Wilgy. His posts feel like he’s faking himself, if that makes sense. Like, he’s trying too hard to sound like civ wilgy…his tone just feels off. For the moment, I am voting there. Open to changing, but definitely suspecting.

[VOTE: wilgy ] aubergine

Also, voting someone with a vote already because self preservation, and I know I am civ.

@Epignosis why did you placeholder your vote on me?

Also, part of my challenge this came is that I’m still not at all used to closed games. So, I’m still doing some brain wrapping around. Working on it.

But first, a nap. Because this weekend was wonderful and exhausting. Mostly exhausting.

I missed this in my review of LoRab on Long Con. It's a bit of a waffle, but I kind of like that it's still unambiguously negative in language (from the standpoint of separating the two).

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2024 10:39 pm I'm very likely to vote falcon.

I am in a similar place, if only for Wilgy's sake. Let me know if you agree with my assessment that he is a bad fit with LoRab.

LoRab wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2024 7:09 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2024 11:41 am falcon45ca
motobot
DrWilgy
Abigail Sophia
LoRab
Simon
TonyStarkPrime
sig
Long Con
JaggedJimmyJay
Epignosis
Is there meaning to your colors here? Or is it just pretty…

LoRab wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2024 7:10 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2024 4:52 pm Maybe no one will post and these guys can just yeet me themselves
Which guys exactly?

Not much from LoRab toward Long Con.

LoRab wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 2:15 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 10:19 am [VOTE: lorab] aubergine @LoRab Who else is on your team?
Any particular reason you’re voting me?

And anyone who is a civvie is on my team.

LoRab wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 2:19 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 11:28 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 11:07 am I’ve had “reads”. They’re of low quality. I’ve been opem about that.

For example: you’ve just voted for LoRab. Does that vote gove you confidence? Do you believe in that vote?
I am confident that either Lorab will engage, which is why I tagged them...

Or they won't. In which case I'm more than happy to see them flip
If you read my posts, you’ll see I was working pretty much the entirety of the weekend, which is why I didn’t post much. You can also see that I’ve been engaging as I catch up from Jewish holiday madness. But happy to engage with you if you give me something to engage about.

Also, she/her. (I have no issue being called they, and appreciate people not assuming gender, but in case you were wondering)

LoRab wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2024 11:46 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2024 11:19 pm Who's most likely to miss this critical factor and make a bad mechanical kill?

falcon - maybe I guess, he's only kinda here
LoRab - could be, has missed a ton
motobot - could be, new to mechanical problems like this
Simon - could be, new to mechanical problems like this
sig - maybe I guess, he's only kinda here
Long Con - less likely
Epignosis - less likely
Tony - almost certainly not
Responding to all your points in this quote and following. While my posting has missed a ton, I’ve read everything. And, I also agree with your logic on this in general.

I agree that falcon is a good choice for a vote. Especially after his response to the accusation.

LoRab wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2024 11:46 am Meant to add:

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

This isn't distancing. Doubt LoRab and falcon are the team. There's a certain indignation in LoRab's replies to falcon that don't strike me as associated (e.g., "if you read my posts you'd know...").

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 10:19 am [VOTE: lorab] aubergine @LoRab Who else is on your team?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 11:28 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 11:07 am I’ve had “reads”. They’re of low quality. I’ve been opem about that.

For example: you’ve just voted for LoRab. Does that vote gove you confidence? Do you believe in that vote?
I am confident that either Lorab will engage, which is why I tagged them...

Or they won't. In which case I'm more than happy to see them flip

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 7:02 pm
LoRab wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 2:19 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 11:28 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 11:07 am I’ve had “reads”. They’re of low quality. I’ve been opem about that.

For example: you’ve just voted for LoRab. Does that vote gove you confidence? Do you believe in that vote?

I am confident that either Lorab will engage, which is why I tagged them...

Or they won't. In which case I'm more than happy to see them flip
If you read my posts, you’ll see I was working pretty much the entirety of the weekend, which is why I didn’t post much. You can also see that I’ve been engaging as I catch up from Jewish holiday madness. But happy to engage with you if you give me something to engage about.

Also, she/her. (I have no issue being called they, and appreciate people not assuming gender, but in case you were wondering)

That's fair, and I appreciate the response

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Mar 28, 2024 3:07 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 28, 2024 2:17 pm @falcon45ca please me a single read other than “Jay is mafia”.
Sure

moto & Simon both can be Maf. I don't think they both necessarily are, but really the only engagement I've noticed is responding to tags & quotes w/ answers that seem more about fulfilling the need to answer, rather than actually trying to solve & move the game forward

I think Epi is town? But really he's a hard read for me, I will say he's more involved than I normally associate w/ his scum game, ergo town for now

Long Con's approach strikes me as genuinely trying to solve, and his reads don't come across as throwaways, but rather the result of a logical process. I wouldn't look there til an F3

TSP there's just a je nais se quoi about his posting tone that just feels natural. I'd say the same is true of sig, tho I've not noticed him ITT as much

And I can't see a reason to TR Lorab

[VOTE: simon] aubergine

falcon was slightly anti-LoRab. It's nothing standout to prevent distancing from being plausible. Lemme see it in the other direction.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 28, 2024 12:26 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 28, 2024 12:24 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 28, 2024 12:04 am I suppose my hang up is the expectation that everyone is going to play "optimally" as mafia. I have hosted a ton and that just doesn't happen all the time.
To be clear: most people won't.

In this particular case, there is a core mechanic at work. Some people would miss it. I think some people would not. Tony would not. I know that I would not, but folks can take that or leave it.

I suspect you wouldn't miss it if you were mafia and had proper incentive to read and absorb all that stuff. But I don't have the same degree of confidence.
I do NOT have my head wrapped around this. Too busy.

[VOTE: LoRab] aubergine

Unlikely to be teamed with LoRab

LoRab wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 2:05 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2024 10:36 pm [VOTE: LoRab] aubergine just as a placeholder for now.

I shouldn't even be playing. I'm still working.
Harumph.

LoRab wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 2:36 pm Current thoughts:

I’m of 2 minds on LC, because I read him wrong last game. But he has been pingy. Especially using the FEB emoji. So, not voting him for now, but keeping an eyeball there.

I do suspect Wilgy. His posts feel like he’s faking himself, if that makes sense. Like, he’s trying too hard to sound like civ wilgy…his tone just feels off. For the moment, I am voting there. Open to changing, but definitely suspecting.

[VOTE: wilgy ] aubergine

Also, voting someone with a vote already because self preservation, and I know I am civ.

@Epignosis why did you placeholder your vote on me?

Also, part of my challenge this came is that I’m still not at all used to closed games. So, I’m still doing some brain wrapping around. Working on it.

But first, a nap. Because this weekend was wonderful and exhausting. Mostly exhausting.

LoRab wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 9:51 pm Been reading but not posting over dinner. I’m not seeing bad Jjj. Moving to Abigail Sofia to break the tie. Don’t really have strong opinion of her, but epi has suspected her, and I have no reason to think she is civ.

[VOTE: AS] aubergine

LoRab's dealing's with Epignosis.

It doesn't quite go anywhere. However, that "placeholder vote" bit is a nice tough. I have to squeeze for that one, but this entire game has been about squeezing.

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