The Syndicate

meatbaby/Lime Coke association

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I mentioned this interaction earlier as one that had me torn. meatbaby never mentioned LC, so we rely entirely on LC's decent volume of stuff to make a judgment. The first three posts show an [apparent] willingness of LC to go after meatbaby on Day 1 before they showed up with their tone of angst. Then LC moved to a town read. At level 1, that progression is teammate-compatible. Still, LC was not alone in having that progression, and I don't really fault it. I'd feel irresponsible dissociating them entirely on the basis of this material. I don't think LC would be my first guess though. For this more than may any other interaction I would love to have others' takes.

Ricochet wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 12:35 pm Well my case (no. 3) was on you, but I guess that’s a bail.

[VOTE: diemeatbabe] aubergine

It will be a relief to spare everyone and myself the obligatory tinfoil, understandable as it may be.

meatbaby/falcon association

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Again barely anything to mention. falcon never mentioned meatbaby. The one post in here is a response to my ISO review of falcon (but says nothing about falcon), so that's goofy. Anyway I am not dissociating them.

meatbaby/Belzy association

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That's it. meatbaby never mentioned Belzy. I have no reason to dissociate them. The first post in there could be vaguely player salad with meatbaby as the classical "maybe" tacked on at the end.

This will help to start the turnaround in this game, but with the mountain of civilian bodies it doesn't win anything yet. So engagement is critical. Sometimes these kinds of red check mechanics cause a day to turn into a snoozefest, and it's important that we avoid that.

Indeed I will expand on meatbaby vs. everyone in greater detail, and hopefully we can have some kind of dialogue about those interactions so that I can share my perspectives and consider yours while I am still here.

I still intend to complete my associations chart, because it remains a valuable resource for when I am gone -- but the meatbaby associations are the most pertinent and important today.

Hopefully I wasn't transparent when I emphasized meatbaby's associations a bit extra earlier, but I doubt it

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jul 16, 2023 8:06 pm Probably a good look for meatbaby too, even if they clearly had frustrations with tutuu

I lied.

I have a 1-shot watcher ability, and I watched tutuu last night. meatbaby visited her.

[VOTE: die_meatbaby] aubergine

Time's up.

Good news, gang: this day won't be aimless.

Belzy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 5:38 amBeing all suicidy.

Why is that town instead of total wifom?

Belzy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 4:37 am
Ricochet wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 4:32 am Not sure how much you can make out of EOD2 which resorted to a coordinated lynch, with odds of a vengeful hit on wolf.

Counter-wagon also town.

It's at the very least possible wolves stayed off or didn't jump (or didn't jump late) on the Creature wagon or didn't prove too shifty in their vote intention.

You voted late and outside wagons. Why?
Creature's eod2 was extremely town, Wilgy's too. Ppl didn't decide to go elsewhere instead, that includes jjj. Imo we should have cfd elsewhere. Me and martin tried motobot.

What did Wilgy do that you found town?

Ricochet wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 1:32 am What's this association thingy you are trying to do? It's Day 3 and there is no mafia/3p flip, what's to associate?

It may be clearer when I post the chart. Assessing two-way associations can help to build a more complete theory of the game (e.g., complete or partial team theories) or more commonly clear players that didn't seem clear before (because they fit with nearly nobody else). With a pile of dead civilians and no mafia, I think it becomes critical to work with more than just individual theories and hope they pan out -- so I am looking for a more holistic view.

It doesn't always work out, but it's best I've got right now.

I've covered about half the cells in the associations chart. I have fewer dissociations than I would like so far, and I really hope that changes once I get into more players with more volume. If we cannot isolate teammates (and/or non-teammates) now, it's going to be very hard to win the game given where the numbers likely sit.

I will continue in a bit. If there are questions or arguments, please air them so that I can address them as I work.

falcon more or less fits with everyone outside Martin and Seanzie. Again that might be a reflection of his activity level. It's still important to note though since the other players being assessed relative to [insert lower-posting player here] generally have more posts and more opportunities to leave an impression.

This bit between Seanzie and falcon doesn't look teamed. If I assume falcon to be mafia, then his initial reception of Seanzie looks more like a pocket (as Martin also suggested in that quote tree), and Seanzie's response is indignant and separated.

Maybe a dumb read, but I'm not sure falcon cliff notes his mafia teammate's case like this. I won't act on that assumption, because who the hell knows. It's a gut read.

Ricochet wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 2:58 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 8:25 pm
Scotty
5
22%

Voters: Ricochet, DrWilgy, Vivax, die_meatbaby, falcon45ca

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 4:28 pm [VOTE: scotty] aubergine

less insightful than the other "so bad it's good" I brought up before

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 3:48 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 3:44 am wilgy falcon motobot is my immediate poe

i personally found some towny pings in wilgy. some found towny pings in falcon. i dont think anyone townreads motobot
I feel like falcon has been pretty darn towny

why

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falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 12:02 am
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 13, 2023 11:54 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jul 13, 2023 11:42 pm
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 13, 2023 10:54 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jul 13, 2023 10:47 pm
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 13, 2023 10:38 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jul 13, 2023 10:35 pm

Why do you need tutuu to advance your reads?
Hearing other people's perspectives is useful. Especially if I've missed something.

Completely separate sidenote, why do people keep presuming that when I do something I need to do it? Like seriously, I could be doing something just because its one of the ways it can be done smh.

I have no idea where I got that idea from
not the same as "I need tutuu to help me otherwise I can't advance my reads"

and if that were true my demeanor toward them would be applying more social pressure to get something out of it

its true though I need to advance my reads, make them better and ect, and I thought asking Tutuu would be a good step towards that.

Well, I'm sure you can see why I said what I said re: needing tutuu to advance your read...you seem a touch defensive about it, may I ask why?

Have you been accused lately of needing when you were just...I dunno, wanting?
Yeah, I understand, but I'm a bit assertive about it because I have to for my own sake.

The short of it is that I have cognitive behaviors which can be preety self-critical. If what I've done didn't achieve much + its perceived as like the only or among the very few things I was capable of then that leads to a not very good evaluation of myself as a player (or, taken more severely, as a person).

I think only 1-2 people have said something like that before, and I was able to brush it off, but since it happened again I wanted to be a bit more clear about it. Its not really a you issue, your issue, or anyone else's issue. It's just my issue and I had to point it out in the form of mild frustration before my personal issues become a thing. You can see I also try to play it off as semi-funny or whatever in my post after pointing it out.

I've always had this sort of problem though, and the fact that I'm being more vocal about it (instead of almost never mentioning it like in the past) is actually a good thing. It means I'm acknowledging the potential BS that I give myself can be, well, BS and doesn't deserve any consideration. It's healthier, I think.

Whoa whoa whoa...we're unpacking a bunch of stuff that, while you might feel, is not at all what I intended.

I'm just trying to understand your thought process more, and this has helped me get an idea of what you meant.

Talk to me about your vote, and why I can't see it posted ITT. Did you post it and I've missed it?

This material isn't exactly emotionally charged, but I still think it looks dissociated between falcon and Martin.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 12:48 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 12:40 am meatbaby / Lime Coke interaction is a bit tough -- meatbaby never mentioned LC, and LC hasn't done much with meatbaby lately (consistent town read), but he did vote meatbaby earlier on Day 1 and seemed content to sit there until meatbaby's charged interaction with tutuu. I welcome other eyes on the dynamic between those two; for now I am calling it "technically compatible" but nothing more.
I mean she's rarely been online at the same time I've been online so I just have the stuff to go off of when I read through them.

Really been townreading them off the Tutuu stuff Day 1 and following legacies that have also townread them.

If they happen to be mafia then kinda just "ew" because of the Day 1 stuff I mentioned already.

I grant that assessing meatbaby is not a read that lends itself to thorough development, just given vibes and their activity

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 4:01 am
die_meatbaby wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 3:44 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 3:12 am
die_meatbaby wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 3:11 am [VOTE: Green Mushroom ] aubergine

die_meatbaby wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 3:09 am Good morning everybody
I think for now on I have to stay up till middle of the night, because all I can choose is Food and Food.
[VOTE: green mushroom]
Why do you town read vivax?
Where tf did I town read vivax with my first and only Post? After my coffee I have to inform myself better about the items. Never played like this. Right now I Townread nobody and mafia read nobody. Still need some more posts here to get better opinions. Why do you town read yourself?
Because I am town why don't you town read me?

lol

Ricochet wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 2:54 pm
die_meatbaby wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 8:00 pm Vote Scotty

I am not happy with the 2 options right now for voting on Vivax or scotty.
I know how vivax is playing es mafia. I played with him when he was mafia and also were reading old games from him as m, but here he don´t write or act like mafia, so i wouldn´t vote on him atm. Vivax don´t think you are save from me i will think about every future post you make in every possible way...
Scotty looks like strong gamer. We could lose strong Town or bad mafia. I still see him more as townie than mafia

Considering dissociating these two just for this (if I assume Rico to be mafia for the sake of the exercise, this looks like TMI instead of protection). It's only one post, but I have a feeling I am going to have to barrel-scrape for some of these analyses.

meatbaby / Lime Coke interaction is a bit tough -- meatbaby never mentioned LC, and LC hasn't done much with meatbaby lately (consistent town read), but he did vote meatbaby earlier on Day 1 and seemed content to sit there until meatbaby's charged interaction with tutuu. I welcome other eyes on the dynamic between those two; for now I am calling it "technically compatible" but nothing more.

I've started to look into associations/interactions.

Belzy first:

They are broadly compatible with most of the field, but only by default for lack of interactions in general. I don't think they look teamed with Porscha or Zenon. There are some indicators I associate with distancing in their interaction with motobot -- only relevant if one or the other flips red.

I'm charting it now, so other than those three it's a sea of "yellow" -- technical compatibility with no particular signs that they are teamed.

tutuu and I were probably most split on Lime Coke

Ideally when I look at associations it’ll help to clear at least one person. The game may not be as dire as it appears. Ironically it’s a relief the POE has been partially sorted and shaken up by the vengeful shots, even if errant

Probably a good look for meatbaby too, even if they clearly had frustrations with tutuu

Main takeaway is good look for Belzy

I’m gonna review every single association left in this game

I have some… frustrations. I will save them for post-game.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Jul 16, 2023 7:41 pm [VOTE: jjj ] aubergine

Sup Rondo

Other than hating my guts, any new impressions from Day 2?

[VOTE: pan flute] aubergine

Wilgy every time

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 7:56 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 7:54 pm I think Wilgy seems almost lolcat right now, and is taking Creature's word for it that he can bring town (Creature himself) down with him (with the added chance of someone else getting shot)
Is lolcat AI?

yes

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 7:54 pm Could we stack the wagons so that if wilgy unvotes creature, he still gets chopped? I'm not sure what would that mean mathematically

not sure there's a way to ensure Wilgy gets chopped that also results in Creature using his claimed ability, if that's your meaning

I think Wilgy seems almost lolcat right now, and is taking Creature's word for it that he can bring town (Creature himself) down with him (with the added chance of someone else getting shot)

Belzy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 7:50 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 7:46 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 7:45 pm My vote change does nothing but silence? Are we having two town wagons here?
These are the wagons that have had most of the discussion this hour. What do you anticipate should happen when you change your vote?
More important question is why Wilg acts all suicidal.

Maybe Wilgy is a vengeful death jester.

(kidding)

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 7:49 pm Oh and someone was on Lime Coke too back then but moved off. I forgot who.

might be Wilgy returning to Creature

Belzy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 7:45 pm My vote change does nothing but silence? Are we having two town wagons here?

These are the wagons that have had most of the discussion this hour. What do you anticipate should happen when you change your vote?

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 7:32 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 7:31 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 7:26 pm Rondo must be also a wolf, right?
Why do you think that
It doesn't look like he has done anything.

Seems probable that Rondo is silenced today. Went from high-poster to zero

is that meat or seitan

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 7:16 pm What is my play here Jay?

You've seen Wilgy hunt, you've seen Wilgy fake hunt, even when I've reserved myself to shit posting or am otherwise not in the thread, as wolf I have something going for me. What am I doing this game?

I'm honestly impressed with the wolves if both you have no better option than I and you are town. It means the Wolves are doing very well.

All respect sir, but I think that's a generous impression of yourself. I'm not sure what opportunity you've had in this game to this point to "have something going for you" or what that would mean.

Wilgy bailed on the Creature wagon once the vengeful hints appeared.

Still think Wilgy is the best chop

tied again

forgive the play-by-play, but I hate vote shenanigans and want to keep the numbers straight

Lime Coke leads the poll

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 7:07 pm It would be good if I knew who could be wolf in a town!me world

That's a hell of a sentence

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 7:05 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 6:30 pm If you're all planning to mislynch me anyway make sure to do that in an even day.
Just a reminder

Whatever this claim refers to, it's structurally consistent with Scotty's role.

I'd move to Creature before sitting on a three-way tie.

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