The Syndicate

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 9:28 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 9:22 pm @staypositivefriend whaddya find encouraging about tutuu's posts?

i am partially contrasting her opening in this game with her opening in bread mafia. tutuu got "into the action" right away in bread mafia and immediately started outing strong, overconfident reads. it's very clear (in hindsight) that tutuu felt like she needed to join in on the "solving" in bread mafia as a way to establish herself into the towncore

this game has started similarly to bread mafia (lots of solving, lots of reads being thrown around), but tutuu's entrance was totally unconcerned w/finding reads on other people - it was solely focused on herself. i didn't get the impression that tutuu felt like she needed to "blend in" with the thread in the same way that she did when she played bread mafia

of course, i'm sure that tutuu has a large scumrange, but her general opening posts gave me a good impression

To expand on my view of SPF: I liked this. SPF answered my question within about a six minute space, so in a [relatively] quick time frame she put together a read that I find nuanced and insightful. In that way it looks authentic to me, like it reflects real thoughts from her real brain. I think it's also a valid observation, that tutuu's entry is different in tone and in focus than what we saw from her mafia game in Bread Mafia (Click here and scroll down for tutuu's ISO in that game).

I am comfortable with this as a town pile so far:

falcon
Mac
KZA
Sloonei
SPF
Strawhenge

Not a bad haul at all for the first 11ish hours of a Day 0. Keep it up gang.

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 5:11 am eso vs jayjay 1v1 is weird to me so i wanna call it w/w but its never w/w ppl rarely thunderdome hard bus here i think. but they should more. more ACTION. BLOOD. GLADIATOR. ARENA

but yes due to site meta and my understanding of jay and eso's meta they're probably not w/w unfortunately

I understand the perception, and I would like to encourage folks to try their best to avoid exclusively looking at the Esooa/JJJ dynamic purely in terms of "is it mafia/mafia? is it town/town? is it something else?" Go crazy with those reads if you like, but also assess the actual content of what each of us has said and decide how y'all feel about that.

I am not nearly confident enough to crusade against Esooa, but I have stated my early concerns. And she has stated hers. Those things warrant investigation.

Strawhenge looks like a civilian. His approach so far takes on a certain tone and pace that in recent memory I have come to associate with his specific niche here: player returning after long hiatus. The last example for me was fingersplints in the "Mafia" racket, and there are some immediate similarities:

~ Earnest effort to get involved
~ Uneasiness about how to actually do that and shake off the rust
~ Hard time making reads when thrust back into the Mafia environment, particularly when the game is moving fast
~ Not trying at all to appear any less intimidated than he really is
~ Despite all of that, trying to make inquiries and prods that could conceivably help him find his footing

I think this is the first time I have made a read of this kind, at least based upon a perceived "trend" -- so I acknowledge that it's not evidence based from a wealth of past observations. But it's the vibe and I'm comfortable with it.

To be clear: I have no present suspicion of Tony. I couldn't confidently call him town either, but I don't care about his multiball inquiries. It's evident (and I think Alison may have missed) that his inquiry is based somehow in the Fargo theme -- that the characters of the show may lend themselves to that kind of game structure. So fine, I have no opinion of that. I have no memory of the show.

Regarding multiball though: I tend to interpret the game rules in the OP as suggestive of just one mafia team. It's not a certainty. We'll see anyway. If there are multiple we'll just have to hope that's made explicit (perhaps via different team names), or that's nigh unsolvable.

Esooa has stated three suspicions that all look rather baked to me, and for similar reasons: doubling down on something unworthy of a stubborn view. This applies to her treatment of KZA, SPF, and myself -- primarily the former two since those have already involved direct interaction. The spoiler contains some of the receipts; I'm not going to spam them all in there though.

Griping with KZA about "not sure it's real" vs. "not sure it's legitimate" -- I'm not sure that's real.

Griping with SPF about taking a reserved approach to reading her after one or two games in which she made incorrect town reads -- at the least I don't think that's reasonable.

Griping with me for various level one beefs e.g. "showiness" or "made a post without a clear read in it". Refusing to view me through a "would make better posts if he was mafia" lens after meeting resistance to that read even though one of her gripes with me was that I did basically the same thing with Tony (didn't immediately assume he wouldn't make a post that is on the surface suspicious or that it's not worth poking him over on page one) It all feels a bit like activity inflation more than it feels like an effort to solve.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 9:30 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 9:29 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 9:28 pm I have good news.

Congratulations on your new baby!!!!

Thanks. We're naming him "Jay is Town."

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 9:28 pm I have good news.

Congratulations on your new baby!!!!

Good start for SPF.

I agree with none of falcon's Sloonei suspicions, and I think falcon looks very much like a civilian.

@staypositivefriend whaddya find encouraging about tutuu's posts?

My read on tutuu's energetic openings -- No read exists, please provide new input.

My read on tutuu's initial reads -- They're fine I guess. Consensus.

My perspective of tutuu -- No gripes, read will develop with more original contribution once she has acclimated. Cannot call town read with any confidence.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 9:07 pmI am wary of the motivation for Alison to claim exactly like this in her entry post. She is explicitly wedging herself into a pre-formed town-core via this claim. It seems as though she has the confidence to project this claim into the thread right off the bat because she is comfortable declaring town reads on Mac and Jay ~20 posts into the game. I don't disagree with either of those reads, but it feels like Alison has pre-concocted a plan to drop this partial claim which hinges on these other "strong players" also being town. I question whether Alison would make this claim if she didn't have those town reads, but I also question that she would be confident enough in these reads to make the claim only 20 posts in.

In the Mafia Alison world, she wants to wedge herself into a towncore of her own invention by capitalizing on an advantageous role which can (presumably) be used to appear as mechanically confirmed later down the line (we explicitly are told that we know nothing about the setup. Any variety of a role claim should be taken with a grain of salt right now), and pocketing a few of the more authoritative voices in the thread right off the bat.

Some similar concerns have at least passed through my head. I don't have the same "early" anecdotes to reference -- I'm not sure I played in any relevant game. I do have a basic meta parallel however, from Bread Mafia, wherein Alison's first play was to spam similar town reads (including a frivolous town read on me) to ingratiate herself in an early town core. Notably she included her own teammate (DkKoba) in that example. Click here to reference that game in Alison's ISO, and scroll to the bottom for game-opening posts.

It's a very specific comparison, so I take it with a few grains of salt. For this game perhaps my most immediate attention is directed to:

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 7:14 pmDear mafia: I am a provable town sided PR.

My first instinct is to shrug and say "okay". It depends on what "town-sided" really means in this context and on what Alison means to do with that. We'll see. Otherwise I don't view her as a civilian read to this point.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 9:04 pm hi im gay =)

hi gay im dad

I would be nice if other people would talk about Sloonei's Alison read and/or about Sloonei or Alison separately. My read on both players is in the I'm not telling zone until further notice.

To someone without deep knowledge of the setup or the Fargo theme, there would seem to be two available theories about why someone else would immediately speculate about multiball:

1) That someone is on a mafia team and has some unique insight indicating that it's possible.

2) Fargo as a theme presents some unique structure that could be appropriate for multiball.

I don't fault Sloonei for his interpretation, and it seems evident Tony is familiar with the theme. So #2 is fine.

This game already feels like a civilian win. Strut your stuff town gang and we can climb the 2021 leaderboard in no time. Just do your thing, because you've been blessed with a state of total solving comfort.

I have decided to add KZA to my civilian pile. The "mindmeld" response to Tony isn't really important to me, but I appreciate the reversion from snap suspicion to snap support on the basis of something very small like "role playing in front of me". #87 -- looks authentic

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 8:10 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 8:10 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 8:09 pm

KZA wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 8:07 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 8:06 pm setup spec time: i wonder if this is multiball

why are you on a relatively small mafia team?

well now, aren't you one for jumping to conclusions

TonyStarkPrime, why did I just cringe at one of your posts on page 2 with my actual human face?

i was trying to roleplay smh

I defer to Fargo people. I don't know Fargo. I think I saw a movie called Fargo? I defer to Fargo people.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 8:09 pm

KZA wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 8:07 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 8:06 pm setup spec time: i wonder if this is multiball

why are you on a relatively small mafia team?

well now, aren't you one for jumping to conclusions

TonyStarkPrime, why did I just cringe at one of your posts on page 2 with my actual human face?

Answer me twice.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 8:06 pm setup spec time: i wonder if this is multiball

I bet mafia-aligned players are more likely to conceive of this by page two than civilians are. How about THAT?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 8:06 pm setup spec time: i wonder if this is multiball

I bet mafia-aligned players are more likely to conceive of this by page two than civilians are. How about THAT?

I made my own pizza today. I didn't do it from scratch, but I assembled toppings onto a blank slab of dough. Diced tomatoes, green and red peppers, and broccoli populated my pizza today.

My read on Alison is [redacted until conversation develops].

Wow. Excuse me? Wow. Wow.

Okay.

Any page one reads for me yet Hang on Sloony

I voted 6pm because my doctoral advisor loves to call around 7pm and talk my ear off for 90 minutes, so it'd make EOD difficult sometimes.

But I'm one guy and in the most privileged time zone. Whatever's good with me.

I intended to try out my new read Mac as civilian immediately and don't deviate until given a good reason strategy this game, and it feels kinda wasted since I think he just is civilian without the cheeky read. Maybe next time.

My read on JPIC is I could call this guy mafia for reasons that would not inspire me, but they are still reasons so if other people are suspicious that's just dandy m'kay.

falcon and Mac are both civilians.

MacDougall, you do whatever you like and that will be just fine.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 6:34 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 6:30 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 6:28 pm So who else is town?

im town lol

You're my top scum read so far

Tell me why! I have a theory! If your answer matches my theory we'll be in business falcon45ca! We'll be cooking with gas!

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I, JaggedJimmyJay, site administrator and long-time Mafia enthusiast, am a member of the town faction. Oh good gravy!

Always nice to get into a game after a month of hosting. It's an irritating experience to a narcissist to see others doing things in ways I wouldn't do them. Now I can do things the way I would do them.