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by JaggedJimmyJay
Thu Mar 28, 2024 2:17 pm
Forum: The Heist
Topic: Kagemusha (D3)
Replies: 990
Views: 3832

Re: Kagemusha (D3)

@falcon45ca please me a single read other than “Jay is mafia”.
by JaggedJimmyJay
Thu Mar 28, 2024 2:16 pm
Forum: The Heist
Topic: Kagemusha (D3)
Replies: 990
Views: 3832

Re: Kagemusha (D3)

I like that a lot, Long Con. falcon45ca This is what I'm talking about when I say you're milquetoast & the flavour of whomever is sitting at the table I'm trying not to tunnel out of stubbornness as I have a habit of that, but this just reinforces my read on you My vote has been on either you o...
by JaggedJimmyJay
Thu Mar 28, 2024 2:16 pm
Forum: The Heist
Topic: Kagemusha (D3)
Replies: 990
Views: 3832

Re: Kagemusha (D3)

I like that a lot, Long Con. falcon45ca This is what I'm talking about when I say you're milquetoast & the flavour of whomever is sitting at the table My vote has been on either you or LoRab all day. I don’t care. I'm trying not to tunnel out of stubbornness as I have a habit of that, but this ...
by JaggedJimmyJay
Thu Mar 28, 2024 12:42 pm
Forum: Events
Topic: The Mafia Championship - Season 11
Replies: 41
Views: 671

Re: The Mafia Championship - Season 11

Delta wrote: Thu Mar 28, 2024 10:53 am Appreciate the nomination, I really didnt expect it considering I didnt think I'd been around enough to be considered a good representative of the Syndicate so I'm honoured :D

Tentative accept for now but not 100%, still on the fence about it a bit ;;'
Welcome to the hivemind. :srsnod:
by JaggedJimmyJay
Thu Mar 28, 2024 12:41 pm
Forum: The Heist
Topic: Kagemusha (D3)
Replies: 990
Views: 3832

Re: Kagemusha (D3)

I may not vote falcon in the end for reasons, but it’s frustratingly inconclusive.
by JaggedJimmyJay
Thu Mar 28, 2024 12:34 pm
Forum: The Heist
Topic: Kagemusha (D3)
Replies: 990
Views: 3832

Re: Kagemusha (D3)

I like that a lot, Long Con.

[VOTE: falcon45ca] aubergine
by JaggedJimmyJay
Thu Mar 28, 2024 1:44 am
Forum: Events
Topic: The Mafia Championship - Season 11
Replies: 41
Views: 671

Re: The Mafia Championship - Season 11

Understandable, MR. Same on basically all fronts, minus the official decline.

What if everyone declines! Maybe I'll just call on a student myself.
by JaggedJimmyJay
Thu Mar 28, 2024 12:43 am
Forum: The Heist
Topic: Kagemusha (D3)
Replies: 990
Views: 3832

Re: Kagemusha (D3)

@TonyStarkPrime, your best guess at a team of two or three?
by JaggedJimmyJay
Thu Mar 28, 2024 12:31 am
Forum: The Heist
Topic: Kagemusha (D3)
Replies: 990
Views: 3832

Re: Kagemusha (D3)

A lot of the candidates are more or less indiscriminable, and it makes every vote feel like a guess.
by JaggedJimmyJay
Thu Mar 28, 2024 12:26 am
Forum: The Heist
Topic: Kagemusha (D3)
Replies: 990
Views: 3832

Re: Kagemusha (D3)

Long Con wrote: Wed Mar 27, 2024 4:01 pm While "I did that kill just so I could say why it wasn't me" is not as common as many sleuths would hope... "Let's kill that guy because it implicates someone easily" IS a common thing.
What did you have in mind when you posted this?
by JaggedJimmyJay
Thu Mar 28, 2024 12:24 am
Forum: The Heist
Topic: Kagemusha (D3)
Replies: 990
Views: 3832

Re: Kagemusha (D3)

I suppose my hang up is the expectation that everyone is going to play "optimally" as mafia. I have hosted a ton and that just doesn't happen all the time. To be clear: most people won't. In this particular case, there is a core mechanic at work. Some people would miss it. I think some pe...
by JaggedJimmyJay
Thu Mar 28, 2024 12:20 am
Forum: The Heist
Topic: Kagemusha (D3)
Replies: 990
Views: 3832

Re: Kagemusha (D3)

Clarification:

I don't think it's "terribly balanced" is bad wording. It is poorly balanced.
by JaggedJimmyJay
Thu Mar 28, 2024 12:20 am
Forum: The Heist
Topic: Kagemusha (D3)
Replies: 990
Views: 3832

Re: Kagemusha (D3)

13 players. Three mafia is 10-3 ordinarily, which is not balanced and I think you know that. You are buying that Tony is indie, which makes it 9-3-1. I feel like YOU aren't thinking things through. You could have even made a mistake as a killer. Right? 10-3 games are very ordinary. I don't think it...
by JaggedJimmyJay
Thu Mar 28, 2024 12:17 am
Forum: The Heist
Topic: Kagemusha (D3)
Replies: 990
Views: 3832

Re: Kagemusha (D3)

I've love some standalone reads on falcon, LoRab, and Simon without regard for theory relating to Wilgy's death. If anyone could pop open those posts and say "this is suspicious" or "this is a civilian", that'd go a long way. I only barely care about my own behavioral judgments i...
by JaggedJimmyJay
Thu Mar 28, 2024 12:15 am
Forum: The Heist
Topic: Kagemusha (D3)
Replies: 990
Views: 3832

Re: Kagemusha (D3)

True.

I'm fine with treating the day as a last resort even if it isn't.
by JaggedJimmyJay
Thu Mar 28, 2024 12:13 am
Forum: The Heist
Topic: Kagemusha (D3)
Replies: 990
Views: 3832

Re: Kagemusha (D3)

Epignosis wrote: Thu Mar 28, 2024 12:12 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Thu Mar 28, 2024 12:08 am If I had to guess a team of three right this instant...

falcon, LoRab, Simon
Why a team of three?
Seems a safer assumption than a team of two, but two is possible.
by JaggedJimmyJay
Thu Mar 28, 2024 12:11 am
Forum: The Heist
Topic: Kagemusha (D3)
Replies: 990
Views: 3832

Re: Kagemusha (D3)

Epignosis wrote: Thu Mar 28, 2024 12:08 am Sell me on LoRab.
Confidence only moderate if that, but the bare bones:

- Fits the profile of someone that may make the Wilgy kill despite the mechanical problems
- Accepted my theory (and my civilianhood) without a moment's hesitation and voted falcon. I'm not sure that was a natural decision.
by JaggedJimmyJay
Thu Mar 28, 2024 12:08 am
Forum: The Heist
Topic: Kagemusha (D3)
Replies: 990
Views: 3832

Re: Kagemusha (D3)

If I had to guess a team of three right this instant...

falcon, LoRab, Simon
by JaggedJimmyJay
Thu Mar 28, 2024 12:06 am
Forum: The Heist
Topic: Kagemusha (D3)
Replies: 990
Views: 3832

Re: Kagemusha (D3)

Oh, I read that. I'm just saying I wouldn't mind playing the long game for credibility and I think you'd do something similar (and LC certainly wouldn't be opposed to that). Maybe that's true in your case. But I am not making a mechanically suboptimal kill unless it provides some kind of clear and ...
by JaggedJimmyJay
Wed Mar 27, 2024 11:59 pm
Forum: The Heist
Topic: Kagemusha (D3)
Replies: 990
Views: 3832

Re: Kagemusha (D3)

Who's most likely to miss this critical factor and make a bad mechanical kill? falcon - maybe I guess, he's only kinda here LoRab - could be, has missed a ton motobot - could be, new to mechanical problems like this Simon - could be, new to mechanical problems like this sig - maybe I guess, he's on...
by JaggedJimmyJay
Wed Mar 27, 2024 11:57 pm
Forum: The Heist
Topic: Kagemusha (D3)
Replies: 990
Views: 3832

Re: Kagemusha (D3)

I'll be frank: The mafia just blundered. It's our responsibility to avoid responding to a blunder with a new blunder. So if the civilians out there have doubts about this rationale, they need to voice them with a level head. I don't want to see generic "naw that's BS" responses followed b...
by JaggedJimmyJay
Wed Mar 27, 2024 11:55 pm
Forum: The Heist
Topic: Kagemusha (D3)
Replies: 990
Views: 3832

Re: Kagemusha (D3)

JJJ I still loathe that reverse "white knight" treatment I was subjected to the other day. I do not in the least think JJJ believed the Epi / moto theory. There's so much backtracking it makes British bands of the 60s and 70s jealous. You could make that hyperbole more efficient by replac...
by JaggedJimmyJay
Wed Mar 27, 2024 11:54 pm
Forum: The Heist
Topic: Kagemusha (D3)
Replies: 990
Views: 3832

Re: Kagemusha (D3)

I'll be frank: The mafia just blundered. It's our responsibility to avoid responding to a blunder with a new blunder. So if the civilians out there have doubts about this rationale, they need to voice them with a level head. I don't want to see generic "naw that's BS" responses followed b...
by JaggedJimmyJay
Wed Mar 27, 2024 10:53 pm
Forum: The Heist
Topic: Kagemusha (D3)
Replies: 990
Views: 3832

Re: Kagemusha (D3)

@Simon do you have any theories about why Scotty and DrWilgy were killed in the night phases?
by JaggedJimmyJay
Wed Mar 27, 2024 10:52 pm
Forum: Events
Topic: The Mafia Championship - Season 11
Replies: 41
Views: 671

Re: The Mafia Championship - Season 11

I appreciate the kind words @juliets. I am still weighing my own availability, as the May-June period could end up trouble for me -- end of semester workload, academic conference, and a trip to New Zealand.

But I'm thinking about it.
by JaggedJimmyJay
Wed Mar 27, 2024 9:02 pm
Forum: Events
Topic: The Mafia Championship - Season 11
Replies: 41
Views: 671

Re: The Mafia Championship - Season 11

Oh that’s way longer than expected.
by JaggedJimmyJay
Wed Mar 27, 2024 8:58 pm
Forum: The Heist
Topic: Kagemusha (D3)
Replies: 990
Views: 3832

Re: Kagemusha (D3)

I might be in one of those moods to toss my reads (apart from Wilgy kill reads) in the trash. It’s not like they’ve been any good so far. Falcon and LoRab, y’all might have a great view of what’s what. I’ll consider the Epi sons.
by JaggedJimmyJay
Wed Mar 27, 2024 8:41 pm
Forum: The Heist
Topic: Kagemusha (D3)
Replies: 990
Views: 3832

Re: Kagemusha (D3)

I could see it.

I could see a lot of things these days. :goofp:

I’d certainly like for Simon to answer that accusation.
by JaggedJimmyJay
Wed Mar 27, 2024 4:14 pm
Forum: Events
Topic: The Mafia Championship - Season 11
Replies: 41
Views: 671

Re: The Mafia Championship - Season 11

@nutella did they give us a due date for nominees to be made official? Sorry if it's included in Lissa's wall. I shuffled around looking through it but am in a hurry.
by JaggedJimmyJay
Wed Mar 27, 2024 4:08 pm
Forum: The Heist
Topic: Kagemusha (D3)
Replies: 990
Views: 3832

Re: Kagemusha (D3)

I'd appreciate if anyone else could take a dedicated look at both motobot and Simon. I read both as civilians, but I acknowledge that I don't really have a great baseline for what either is supposed to look like as civilians (or for players that young in general). I will need some help if either of...
by JaggedJimmyJay
Wed Mar 27, 2024 3:48 pm
Forum: The Heist
Topic: Kagemusha (D3)
Replies: 990
Views: 3832

Re: Kagemusha (D3)

I'd appreciate if anyone else could take a dedicated look at both motobot and Simon. I read both as civilians, but I acknowledge that I don't really have a great baseline for what either is supposed to look like as civilians (or for players that young in general). I will need some help if either of ...
by JaggedJimmyJay
Wed Mar 27, 2024 3:40 pm
Forum: The Heist
Topic: Kagemusha (D3)
Replies: 990
Views: 3832

Re: Kagemusha (D3)

Scotty and Wilgy both suspected me, and now they're dead. That's just the truth. I fully understand why someone might expect me to have killed Scotty. I have a feeling Scotty's corpse was yelling that after he died. I often do kill direct threats too. I don't worry about all that. But I don't ignore...
by JaggedJimmyJay
Wed Mar 27, 2024 3:35 pm
Forum: Events
Topic: The Mafia Championship - Season 11
Replies: 41
Views: 671

Re: The Mafia Championship - Season 11

We should get cooking here to determine who's actually repping. I will contact everyone that hasn't declined and see if we can get some affirmations.
by JaggedJimmyJay
Wed Mar 27, 2024 3:29 pm
Forum: The Heist
Topic: Kagemusha (D3)
Replies: 990
Views: 3832

Re: Kagemusha (D3)

[VOTE: LoRab] aubergine
by JaggedJimmyJay
Wed Mar 27, 2024 3:28 pm
Forum: The Heist
Topic: Kagemusha (D3)
Replies: 990
Views: 3832

Re: Kagemusha (D3)

And yes, it is cut and dry. Finally, we have something cut and dry. If civilians choose to leave it behind, that's on them.
by JaggedJimmyJay
Wed Mar 27, 2024 3:28 pm
Forum: The Heist
Topic: Kagemusha (D3)
Replies: 990
Views: 3832

Re: Kagemusha (D3)

Of course Wilgy did heavily sus you, as did Scotty. I don't think it's as cut and dry as you're trying to make it out to be Taking Wilgy out removes a clear & present danger to Maf Jay, same with Scotty, and NKing outside the AS wagon isn't guaranteed to actually get the extra kill...in fact, s...
by JaggedJimmyJay
Wed Mar 27, 2024 2:04 pm
Forum: The Heist
Topic: Kagemusha (D3)
Replies: 990
Views: 3832

Re: Kagemusha (D3)

It looks like Wilgy said very little about LoRab other than including her in some POE theories. So "suspicion" existed in a token sense, albeit less overtly than Wilgy's suspicion of falcon. I don't see an immediate reason to doubt that LoRab would kill Wilgy.
by JaggedJimmyJay
Wed Mar 27, 2024 2:00 pm
Forum: The Heist
Topic: Kagemusha (D3)
Replies: 990
Views: 3832

Re: Kagemusha (D3)

What’s your thought on Lorab’s vote I don't care for it. I was surprised that she agreed with my rationale when it squarely implicated her, and she submitted to the vote with no resistance. I'm not sure how to interpret that right now from the standpoint of a falcon/LoRab team theory, but it makes ...
by JaggedJimmyJay
Wed Mar 27, 2024 1:58 pm
Forum: The Heist
Topic: Kagemusha (D3)
Replies: 990
Views: 3832

Re: Kagemusha (D3)

And? Maybe you killed him so you could use this exact argument, which wait you’re doing right now to try and defend yourself. See how that works? At this point it’s literally 50/50 if you killed him, add in the scotty kill who did heavily suspect you and the night kills make a lot of sense if you’r...
by JaggedJimmyJay
Wed Mar 27, 2024 1:53 pm
Forum: The Heist
Topic: Kagemusha (D3)
Replies: 990
Views: 3832

Re: Kagemusha (D3)

I’m also really not a fan of Jay going from saying I’m locked town, to trying to set up a future vote off, using the night kill as a reason. This screams mafia. How so? You might ask. Well simple, Jay is leading the thread right now, he needs to not only set up votes, but also give himself cover wh...
by JaggedJimmyJay
Wed Mar 27, 2024 1:50 pm
Forum: The Heist
Topic: Kagemusha (D3)
Replies: 990
Views: 3832

Re: Kagemusha (D3)

Yea I’m not really a fan of anyone on the falcon wagon. Lorab is probably the only solid read one the three. I think ONLY focusing on the Wilgy flip and mech is very very dangerous and scummy in fact the more I think about it the less I like people making those cases. It just seems like a really ea...
by JaggedJimmyJay
Wed Mar 27, 2024 1:36 pm
Forum: The Heist
Topic: Kagemusha (D3)
Replies: 990
Views: 3832

Re: Kagemusha (D3)

I don’t entirely discount Epignosis (or Long Con), because I agree it’s possible. I need an extra step for them (to assume they’d figure it out in BTSC). That’s why they’re not Tony clear. I consider this kill a significant blunder, so accusing anyone of it is at least somewhat implying “you don’t k...
by JaggedJimmyJay
Wed Mar 27, 2024 12:17 pm
Forum: The Heist
Topic: Kagemusha (D3)
Replies: 990
Views: 3832

Re: Kagemusha (D3)

Responding to all your points in this quote and following. While my posting has missed a ton, I’ve read everything. And, I also agree with your logic on this in general. I agree that falcon is a good choice for a vote. Especially after his response to the accusation. Who do you think fits the bill ...
by JaggedJimmyJay
Wed Mar 27, 2024 11:02 am
Forum: The Heist
Topic: Kagemusha (D3)
Replies: 990
Views: 3832

Re: Kagemusha (D3)

gonna state the obvious and say if Jay is a wolf and is leading the game in posts by such a huge amount and then made a crazy gambit NK just to attempt to clear himself that’s very good play and far better than people typically think of his wolf range and I can’t be too upset about losing to it I c...
by JaggedJimmyJay
Wed Mar 27, 2024 10:58 am
Forum: The Heist
Topic: Kagemusha (D3)
Replies: 990
Views: 3832

Re: Kagemusha (D3)

I'll be frank: The mafia just blundered. It's our responsibility to avoid responding to a blunder with a new blunder. So if the civilians out there have doubts about this rationale, they need to voice them with a level head. I don't want to see generic "naw that's BS" responses followed by...
by JaggedJimmyJay
Wed Mar 27, 2024 10:33 am
Forum: The Heist
Topic: Kagemusha (D3)
Replies: 990
Views: 3832

Re: Kagemusha (D3)

“Stranglehold”

It’s seeing evidence and adopting it. It’s “solving”.
by JaggedJimmyJay
Wed Mar 27, 2024 10:28 am
Forum: The Heist
Topic: Kagemusha (D3)
Replies: 990
Views: 3832

Re: Kagemusha (D3)

No, that is not the evidence. Calling those posts evidence doesn’t even make sense.

You’re literally demonstrating why I voted for you. You don’t understand the problem.
by JaggedJimmyJay
Wed Mar 27, 2024 10:27 am
Forum: The Heist
Topic: Kagemusha (D3)
Replies: 990
Views: 3832

Re: Kagemusha (D3)

I didn’t backpedal my suspicion of Epi/moto when Epi responded. I moved on when I discovered better evidence. I doubt Epi makes a bad kill too. I am less sure than with Tony, but I doubt it. And I don’t really see moto as mafia without Epi. Evidence? I'd like to hear what the "evidence" a...
by JaggedJimmyJay
Wed Mar 27, 2024 10:19 am
Forum: The Heist
Topic: Kagemusha (D3)
Replies: 990
Views: 3832

Re: Kagemusha (D3)

falcon45ca wrote: Wed Mar 27, 2024 10:18 am Nearly 300 posts before D3 is even half over, and you want us to believe that if you were Maf you'd have a stranglehold on the thread.




You do
You’re still ignoring the elephant in the room.
by JaggedJimmyJay
Wed Mar 27, 2024 10:19 am
Forum: The Heist
Topic: Kagemusha (D3)
Replies: 990
Views: 3832

Re: Kagemusha (D3)

I didn’t backpedal my suspicion of Epi/moto when Epi responded. I moved on when I discovered better evidence. I doubt Epi makes a bad kill too. I am less sure than with Tony, but I doubt it. And I don’t really see moto as mafia without Epi.

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