The Syndicate

[mention]ColinIsCool[/mention]
[mention]dunya[/mention]
[mention]Sloonei[/mention]
[mention]speedchuck[/mention]
[mention]novaselinenever[/mention]
[mention]Quin[/mention]

[mention]wolbre04[/mention]

Notable: this was novaselinenever's first Syndicate win in 9 tries. Great to see him get off the run of bad luck.

All banners will be delivered soon.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed May 16, 2018 9:48 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed May 16, 2018 9:45 pm QUESTION EIGHT:

Herodotus is best known for his historical account of the Greco-Persian wars. Who is best known for recounting the events of the Peloponnesian War?

I think you'll find it is actually Frank Miller's account most scholars treat as the definitive work on the period

I meant that it's Herodotus's primary claim to fame as opposed to he's the primary authority (in the modern era he definitely is not).

Six points for wolbre. This guarantees him a majority of ten possible points, and so he is the pop quiz champion.

QUESTION EIGHT:

Herodotus is best known for his historical account of the Greco-Persian wars. Who is best known for recounting the events of the Peloponnesian War?

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Wed May 16, 2018 9:42 pm Athens and Eretria, the Ionians all joined up

This is more what I am looking for. The Athenians reinforced and supplied the Ionian revolts.

Five points for wolbre.

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Wed May 16, 2018 9:40 pm Ionia rebelled

More specificity needed.

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Wed May 16, 2018 9:39 pm City states rebelling?

More specificity needed.

QUESTION SEVEN:

What sparked Darius the Great to embark on the first invasion of the Greek peninsula?

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Wed May 16, 2018 9:36 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed May 16, 2018 9:36 pm QUESTION SIX:

A significant and for the time highly unusual feature of the Battle of Salamis was a female Persian commander. What was her name?

Artemisia

Four points for wolbre.

QUESTION SIX:

A significant and for the time highly unusual feature of the Battle of Salamis was a female Persian commander. What was her name?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed May 16, 2018 9:33 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed May 16, 2018 9:32 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed May 16, 2018 9:30 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed May 16, 2018 9:26 pm QUESTION FIVE:

At least four of the named characters in this game did not take part in the Greco-Persian wars. Name three of them.

Lysander
Brasidas
Cimon

2 for 3

Pericles

Two points for Sloonei.

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Wed May 16, 2018 9:33 pm lysander, brasidas, pausanius

Spelling

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed May 16, 2018 9:30 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed May 16, 2018 9:26 pm QUESTION FIVE:

At least four of the named characters in this game did not take part in the Greco-Persian wars. Name three of them.

Lysander
Brasidas
Cimon

2 for 3

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Wed May 16, 2018 9:28 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed May 16, 2018 9:26 pm QUESTION FIVE:

At least four of the named characters in this game did not take part in the Greco-Persian wars. Name three of them.

Senator, lysander, ephor

Named characters only.

QUESTION FIVE:

At least four of the named characters in this game did not take part in the Greco-Persian wars. Name three of them.

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Wed May 16, 2018 9:25 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed May 16, 2018 9:24 pm QUESTION 4:

What was a key strategic function of the Greek trireme in naval warfare?

to ram shit

Three points for wolbre.

QUESTION 4:

What was a key strategic function of the Greek trireme in naval warfare?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed May 16, 2018 9:22 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed May 16, 2018 9:21 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed May 16, 2018 9:21 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed May 16, 2018 9:19 pm QUESTION THREE:

Who was remembered as the hero of the Battle of Marathon?

MP!
I mean Militades

Spelling.

Miltiades

One point to Sloonei.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed May 16, 2018 9:21 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed May 16, 2018 9:19 pm QUESTION THREE:

Who was remembered as the hero of the Battle of Marathon?

MP!
I mean Militades

Spelling.

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Wed May 16, 2018 9:20 pm No wait
Pheidippides

Incorrect.

QUESTION THREE:

Who was remembered as the hero of the Battle of Marathon?

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Wed May 16, 2018 9:16 pmEphialtes

Two points for wolbre04.

QUESTION TWO:

According to Herodotus and other historians of antiquity, what was the name of the Greek who betrayed a vulnerability of the Spartan position at Thermopylae to the Persians?

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Wed May 16, 2018 9:14 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed May 16, 2018 9:13 pm QUESTION ONE:

What unintended advantage did the Greeks enjoy just prior to the Battle of Artemisium as projected by the Oracle at Delphi?

storm?

Correct. wolbre earns a point.

QUESTION ONE:

What unintended advantage did the Greeks enjoy just prior to the Battle of Artemisium as projected by the Oracle at Delphi?

RULES OF THE POP QUIZ:

I ASK A QUESTION. THE FIRST TO PROVIDE A CORRECTLY SPELLED ANSWER EARNS A POINT. WHEN THE QUIZ IS OVER, THE STUDENT WITH THE MOST POINTS IS THE WINNER. IF THERE IS A TIE, WE GO TO SUDDEN DEATH.

ANYONE CAN PARTICIPATE. JUST ANSWER QUESTIONS AS THEY COME.

Whatever, POP QUIZ ABOUT TO BEGIN. Maybe I'll do another one later too.

dunya wrote: ↑Wed May 16, 2018 9:07 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed May 16, 2018 9:03 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Wed May 16, 2018 9:01 pm I'm too sleepy
It's 3am. Jay hates Greece

Is there a single time for a pop quiz that works for North Americans, Europeans, and Aussie/Kiwis? Serious question, because I'll do it.

Any time before 9pm est like 7pm even I'm 6 hours ahead of u.

You're not thinking about the Australians and New Zealanders. So inconsiderate.

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Wed May 16, 2018 9:05 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed May 16, 2018 9:03 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Wed May 16, 2018 9:01 pm I'm too sleepy
It's 3am. Jay hates Greece

Is there a single time for a pop quiz that works for North Americans, Europeans, and Aussie/Kiwis? Serious question, because I'll do it.

I watched the videos for this

But they were thoroughly interesting, right?

Even if I do it now I only have two students.

dunya wrote: ↑Wed May 16, 2018 9:01 pm I'm too sleepy
It's 3am. Jay hates Greece

Is there a single time for a pop quiz that works for North Americans, Europeans, and Aussie/Kiwis? Serious question, because I'll do it.

Classroom:

Sloonei
wolbre04

Who will be participating in the pop quiz? I need at least a decent number of students for it to be worth bothering.

The one unfortunate thing is that given the Persian victory, there won't be a Peloponnesian war between Athens and Sparta. Bummer.

Thanks everyone for playing my game. I understand it’s a pretty specific theme which might not attract the most interest, so I hope it was more than a robotic Mafia experience.

Later tonight it will be time for the pop quiz. If you want a bonus banner, be here at 9 PM EST.

I thought this was generally a well-played game by both sides. Every faction made mistakes, but it came down to a tight finish and never felt like it was hopeless for anyone from my vantage point.

Hellenic League BTSC

Persian BTSC

Cimon and commander BTSC (hiJACKed by a diplomat)

Dead chat

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed May 16, 2018 7:30 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Wed May 16, 2018 7:12 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed May 16, 2018 7:09 pm My win percentage is garbage and there's no resolving that.

I think MP had the worst percentage and he's one of the best players so I don't think it means much except you probably play a lot of games

MP is 23/63 at a 36.51% winrate.
I'm currently at 23/78 at a 29.49% winrate.
Additionally, Epignosis is 31/85 at a 36.47% winrate.

Of course, we're all about to drop another level after this game.

Your numbers also suffer from the survival win conditions era.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 16, 2018 7:24 pm O ho, whaddya know. Jack was Indy all along and called out Speedchuck, the head of the Persians.

Not so tinfoil, now was it?

They never had direct contact. I managed all correspondence.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 16, 2018 7:22 pm JJJ, what were the vote totals for The Shittiest Day (tm)?

They can be found, along with all game actions, on this spreadsheet.

Players Alive:

dunya - Mardonius WINNER
Jackofhearts2005 - Diplomatic Representative of Thebes, loyal to Sparta
Marmot - Helot
novaselinenever - Diplomatic Representative of Corinth, loyal to Persia WINNER
Sloonei - Artaphernes WINNER
Spacedaisy - Ground Commander
wolbre04 - Lysander

Players Eliminated:

sig - Themistocles - Lynched on Day 1
Epignosis - Brasidas - Killed on Night 1
ColinIsCool - Xerxes - Lynched on Day 2 WINNER
MacDougall - Pericles - Killed on Night 2
Long Con - Ephor - Lynched on Day 3
Dom - Leonidas - Killed on Night 3
Lunalee - Senator - Lynched on Day 4
Golden - Pythia - Killed on Night 4
speedchuck - Darius the Great - Lynched on Day 5 WINNER
Choutas - Trireme Commander - Killed on Night 5
Scotty - Cimon - Lynched on Day 6
lapluie / colonialbob - Hoplite Commander - Killed on Night 6
Kites / Quin - Diplomatic Representative of Eretria, loyal to Persia - Lynched on Day 7 WINNER
M Plus 7 - Militiades - Killed on Night 7
Kylemii - Pausanias - Lynched on Day 8
Turnip Head - Aristocratic Councilman - Killed on Night 8

Night 8 has ended.



Our re-enactment of the Greco-Persian wars has produced a new ending. The Persians, under the enduring command of the generals Artaphernes and Mardonius, have conquered the Greeks. Athens, Sparta, and all other city-states across southern Europe have fallen under the Persian banner. All hail the Emperor, Artaxerxes, son of Xerxes, grandson of Darius.

With the Persian navy decimated and Xerxes returning to Persia, a rather hopeless continuation of the invasion lay in the hands of the Persian general Mardonius. With the surviving ground army emerging from Thermopylae and the occupation of Athens, he could do little but march his men backward in the direction from which they had come to Attica. The strength of the Peloponnese had crossed the isthmus with Sparta at the head, but also numerous other southern city-states along with them. The Athenian forces returned to Athens and retook their crown city, and by 479 BC the war was nearly at its end. Mardonius made a final stand at Platea against a full coalition of Greek troops, but this time the dynamic had reversed. The Persians were on the defensive, and the Greeks were making the push.

Mardonius did have one advantage though. He had selected the battlefield himself, as the Platea and Thebes region was open and ideal for the strength of the Persian ground force: cavalry. The Greeks had little immediate answer for this threat, and it made the final battle of the war one of its bloodiest. There is a great deal of conflict regarding casualties. Herodotus provided an almost certainly biased estimate of 159 Greeks versus 270,000 Persians. Another historian named Diodorus from four centuries later gives a more believable guess: 10,000 Greeks versus 50,000-90,000 Persians. In the end the Greeks prevailed, and forced the Persians into a full retreat of the peninsula. Mardonius led them all the way back north through Macedonia and Thrace and back across the Hellespont. The war was over.


The long-term impact of this conflict can be and has been debated in the 2,500 years since. I would assert that had Xerxes succeeded in his original designs, there would have been no meaningful resistance left in all of southern Europe against his continued expansion. Numerous Greek city states dotted the Italian peninsula and Sicily too, and they'd have fallen under the Persian banner. Those very societies, in combination with the Etruscan peoples further north, eventually blossomed into the Roman republic and later the Roman Empire. A great deal of the cultural and scholarly core of Western civilization is rooted in Rome, and Rome is rooted in Greece. Consider also Alexander the Great, a Macedonian king who viewed Greek society as the world's optimum and sought to annex it under a unified banner -- he did so. With Greek power he was able to invade Persia in an almost reverse sequence, and he succeeded in total conquest of their territory from Egypt to the Indus. This was made possible by Macedonian independence and the weakening of Greek power during and after the Peloponnesian War -- a war which would likely have never happened if the Persians had won.

Among the territory affected by the consequences of these conflicts was the Phoenician territory presently known as Israel, obviously a crucial religious center for the world's most dominant monotheistic religions in the modern era (Judaism, Islam, and Christianity). The Ancient Persians were largely Zoroastrian or polytheistic, and a preserved and lasting dominion over their empire may have supressed or even prevented the emergence of at least Islam and Christianity. A conservative historian would have me speak carefully to attribute so much to one conflict, and there is wisdom in that. Still, I struggle to deny the far-reaching impacts of what happened between the Greeks and Persians in the early 5th century BC.

It's all about win percentage.