The Syndicate

when Golden apologized to Epi after returning to the game, i didn't think it was suspicious. just figured it was a "my bad" for reading Epi wrongly on Day/Night 1 as Golden 1.0.

ah shit lol, i voted in the musicals one. hopefully that doesn't mean i signed up. better address that.

i'd like to but i really shouldn't. after the current RYM game i am going to take a short mafia break until the champs game finale. i am going to need to be fully prepared for that mentally, and any threat of burnout must be avoided. i fully expect to have over 1,000 posts in that game if i live long enough.

but i'll definitely play another game with y'all here soon. it's a lovely community.

next time please kill me faster so i don't have to sustain this meta for 7 days

cool thanks

Also my previous highest post count in a mafia game was 525. in this one i had 739 at my death.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Golden wrote:Of course it's playing with fire. JJ, you have a great ability to turn completely on someone's alignment in a second.

This is SO true.

Oh my god, I'll never forget Mafia #84 when we lynched the first two scum on D1 and D2, then we had a couple of mislynches trying to find that pesky third one. After engaging two other players (Strawhenge and Seaside) who seemed more likely lynch candidates than the third player (other than Jay, sleepy, and myself, who were masons), Jay suddenly turned around on ProFic and we got him!

If it wasn't for Jay's intense analyzing and thus a sudden lightbulb moment, I would have proceeded to lynch Seaside, then Straw, since ProFic was reading most town to me of those three easily.

a very similar scenario played out in this game, but without the necessary quick-turn obviously.

that way-too-easy aether-sanmateo-G-Man lynch setup? yeah if i'm mafia i pursue that too.

Golden wrote:Of course it's playing with fire. JJ, you have a great ability to turn completely on someone's alignment in a second.

To be honest, a lot of my most confident-seeming assertions of alignment are just lies. Calling someone a clear mafioso can generate interesting reactions.

So can calling them the towniest townie to ever town.

I feel like I have to remain completely flexible at all times. I essentially put myself in a position of leadership, and if I tunnel anyone (or place permanent unwarranted trust in anyone), then the consequences of those errors are on my hands.

I like to recognize everyone when games end, especially such fun games as this turned out to be.

aether -- you did a wonderful job expressing yourself earnestly when the pressure was at its worst. and you left us solid content to work with without getting huffy or frustrated. that is a rare talent for townies, trust me.

Bass -- that Black Rock vote was slick my man. and you were my top performer in the experimental gun to head exercise. a less formidable town than this one was would have never lynched you.

BWT -- your bussing of Bass on Day 1 was so bold. it could have genuinely gotten him killed, and that's awesome. you set the table perfectly for Golden to finish this game.

Black Rock -- i hope you're feeling better! it sucks you had to get sick; in limited action i could tell you are a very skilled player.

Vompatti -- when it counted most, you tried. and for that i thank you.

DDL -- i love your townie approach. you were willing to get yourself in a little trouble for the greater good. the value of that, and your skill in playing that way, cannot be overstated. also, i beat Sloonei in the chess game (it was his time playing ever :P)

Elohcin -- bad luck! without MP's adam smith maneuver there's no telling how long you'd have proceeded. and even if not that long, i thought you displayed solid defensive talents.

Epignosis -- i hope i didn't rub you the wrong way with my Day/Night 1 aggression against you. i didn't mean it personally. rather, i saw you as the provocative type, and my favorite thing in all of mafia is to provoke provokers. had you been given more time to play, i am sure you'd have been a big asset.

fingersplints -- one of the single most impressive things to happen in this game, imo, was your transition from public top suspect to public top town read (not just MP's reversal. everyone's).

G-Man -- your methods may have been grating at times, but you were always putting forth good effort. especially late in the game, you produced as much good content as anyone else and gave it your all.

Golden -- you were the first to die and the last survivor in the same game. that's fun. obviously you were the star of the game and i commend you for a great performance.

JJJ -- top bloke; good egg

Marshy -- i can tell you're fun to play with and wish you'd have lived longer. that can be remedied in the RYM game.

MP -- this was the best game i've ever seen you play for sure. when you were alive you left everyone else in the dust in terms of effort, including me. and that does not happen.

Roxy -- this game may have been a somewhat rocky experience for you. i'm glad we've been able to talk about it a bit and it was truly a lot of fun to play with you. i hope it happens again soon!

sanmateo -- i suck man. i knew you were town and still helped lynch you. definitely my biggest error in this game (even if i felt like i had no choice). don't sweat the off reads, we all have games like that sometimes.

Sloonei -- you showed up, did your thing as well as you've ever done it, and got killed on Night 2. consider The Syndicate afraid.

TinyBubbles -- you bring a lovely spirit to the game and that is always infectious. i hope to play with you again. mafia can never have enough nice, skillful players.

Turnip Head -- town followed your lead and it paid off. i was excited to have a chance to play with you and it's plainly obvious why these folks sent you to the champs tournament. awesome game man.

Golden wrote:Winning, I mean.

And JJJ, it was soooooooo much fun playing with you. You've given my civilian game a new dimension, I reckon. Stick around. Please.

Likewise! And I appreciate that. This game will have served me very well as I prepare for the champs finale thing precisely because of the way you played this one. My interactive analyses are useful until mafia players make adjustments to account for me. And whether you consciously meant to or not, you definitely did that. It made you very difficult to track.

Golden wrote:But I had my gameplan mapped out for a long time beforehand and I needed to stick to it. JJ, did you purchase a NK protect on the night I killed DDL?

I purchased one on the night Turnip Head was killed.

I had the protective role though. And I went 0 for 7 on my targets.



Really though I picked the right names, but never on the right nights.

Thanks for hosting a great game, Russ and llama! And thank you for being so welcoming to all of us new people.

Moreover, thank you everyone for being so welcoming. The Syndicate seems like a lovely place and I'm happy to have had this chance to play with you all. Thank you for tolerating my ridiculous Mafia habits for such a long lifespan.

Truth be told I would have interrogated the crap out of everyone, but that doesn't mean I'd have gotten it right. It was a tough-ass LyLo, and it's definitely hard to get past a Vompatti and a G-Man in that position. This was a well played game by both sides and someone had to lose.

This is why Mafia is a great game. You can pour your heart and soul into it and still lose.

Beautifully played Golden! You too BWT. Had you allowed me to play in LyLo (I wish I could have been there for you townies), I would have absolutely not voted for G-Man.

There were almost certainly contests early in the game. They probably weren't public until he realized it'd be advantageous.

Check DDL's history for "Nash". There's more subtle evidence. I can't get it on my phone.

Also i lied earlier. Everyone in LyLo is still a perfectly valid suspect and all avenues should be explored when the time comes.

fingersplints wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Yep, the Nash role definitely appears to be dead. What do you think, Golden?

Don't you wonder what I think anymore? :o

I do of course. Sorry my comments are just arbitrary tidbits right now. At work and using phone.

I addressed Golden specifically because he and i talked about something related earlier.

No. I'm intrigued.

Look at G-Man making interesting points.

Yep, the Nash role definitely appears to be dead. What do you think, Golden?

What conclusions do you draw from the vote analysis, G-Man?

Anyone who has played with G-Man before:

Is he the type of player to use emotion for manipulation?

Recommendation to townies surviving into LyLo:

trusting your analysis is okay, but it isn't everything. LyLo is a pressure cooker, use that to your advantage. Interrogate hard.

I will if alive and time allows me to.

Which is to say i think DDL was Nash.

Perhaps noteworthy that no Nash games have appeared since the rap battle. At least not publicly.

not much to say at this point i guess. i'll be at work tomorrow through the end of the night. i'll try to drop in and offer whatever input i can if any is demanded.

G-Man wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:who do you think the mafia is right now, G-Man?

gimme something my man. gimme something.

Golden wrote:JJ, did you understand what I was saying on G-Man?

conceptually, sorta.

specifically, no.

who do you think the mafia is right now, G-Man?

i'm paying attention G-Man. i just don't think you're making yourself look much better.

like i said before: if you'd be better able to express yourself in normal text, then use it. the game is on the line for everyone.

Golden wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:are you leaning Vompatti as a vote before G-Man, Golden?

In a vacuum, I would be yes.

But if there are things you can glean from behaviour in the next wee while, then that is exactly the kind of thing we need.

what degree of confidence would you say you have for your G-Man hunch?

Golden wrote:I do think there is literally no room to split the vote, though. If you and I are both around tomorrow, we can't afford to be on a different page. Same goes for splints. I feel as though the next lynch is seminal.

it definitely is. if we're lucky we'll be in a 3v1, and getting it wrong would result in a 1v1. that's normally an auto-loss, but in this game might not necessarily be -- but even then it'd be a guns/butter contest and a prayer.

or me i guess.

are you leaning Vompatti as a vote before G-Man, Golden?

there is another player still alive who could be the person i am suspecting Vompatti to be. i will not name that player though.

might know* EBWOP

Golden wrote:I don't share your confidence but I have hope. I'm wary of manipulation.

And I now think that maybe what you are thinking about vomps is what I was thinking about g-man, but I'm not sure if I'm on the right track with that (with us seeing the same role, I mean).

i am just going to say this in a vacuum. if you and i are talking about the same thing then you might what i mean:

any player who wanted Roxy lynched on Day 4 cannot fit the bill.

Golden wrote:Sorry sanmateo. RIP. That one is definitely on me.

nah. all three of us voted for him and so we share the blame. and sanmateo himself to a lesser degree.

Golden wrote:JJ, I firmly agree on splints. I haven't been able to follow where your brain is at, given yesterday you thought sanmateo's case on splints had merit, but I agree anyway.

remember when i said the discussion during that heated portion of the day would be very telling come LyLo if we get it wrong? this is what i was referring to. splints was gushing town-tells during those proceedings (earnestly trying to work out who is really more deserving of a vote, communicating her feelings thoroughly). a mafia player doesn't care who gets lynched as long as it's not him/herself.

Golden wrote:I'm not sure why you trust vomps, but lets see how that plays out and if you still think so if vomps does or does not do what you expect him to. Fair enough with no details.

yeah we'll have to see. i hope he comes through. it doesn't have to be with me though. as long as he has a good idea of who is a townie in the Day phase he should be okay. if i am right about him of course.

Golden wrote:I feel bad that JJ felt I forced their hand. I had no choice but to vote when I did. I wish I could have waited but I couldn't sometimes thats the way it goes.

sanmateo forced our hand more than anyone else. the lynch stop thing was hanging over our heads and it could have genuinely ruined the entire game. if he'd stopped the lynch on Day 7 and then gotten lynched anyway on Day 8, game over town loses. that's why it's a relief to me that he didn't use it. now we can shift our focus collectively to the real problem. ahem.

i think we all know what to do here, right? or at least there should be a lot of confidence.

i have reason to believe Vompatti is not mafia. if i am right about him, he can help me confirm that ASAP. no details allowed.

Golden and G-Man are my candidates right now. i don't think i need to say which one i favor.

splints is not mafia. never vote for her ever.

i am going to have serious issues being available if i am alive in Day 8. most of the day phase will take place while i'm sleeping or working. including the deadline.

'swot i figured. Schumpter was a sensible town role for the lynchproof. thankfully he didn't use it though. if he had it could have lost us the game.

RIP sanmateo.

F5 imo

hopefully it works out. stressful day phase lol

voting sanmateo.

Golden may have forced our hand anyway. if we both vote G-Man he only leads by one vote, which means little in this game.

sanmat may not have even activated the stop. he pulled a "might" on us. meh.

fingersplints wrote:JJJ if we lynch gman today and are wrong where does that leave us?

LyLo. same place if we lynch sanmateo and are wrong. the variables in play are the potential lynch stop and any additional night kills by the mafia.