The Syndicate

The highest point in Ohio is 1,550 feet (472 m). It's so pathetic.

[mention]Marmot[/mention] your game was super neat, and it has regenerated my lust for travel. I want to see the big mountains.

Regardless of balance difficulties, I want to make it clear that the team which played the best Mafia in this game was the team that won. On a perfectly level playing field I think we still lose this game.

That's why as a host I generally ask that questions be delivered privately. I understand that it's a bit party pooper though and don't judge other hosts for doing their thing.

My rage progressively grew, though I restrained myself from losing my head.

~ I wasn't here for Day 1, but an actual lynch of either nutella or LC would have been a great help. FAILED, and nutella rides the credit to end game.

~ I was here for Night 1, and I knew killing Sloonei would be beneficial to slow the crazy pace of the game and to prevent a guy who knows me well from catching my bullshit. FAILED KILL.

~ Day 2, oh cool, we can lynch either Sloonei or Jack instead. That will help us recover a ton; they're both highly active. FAILED, and Sloonei rides the credit to his death.

~ Night 2, let's kill Epignosis. He's one of the people here who can absolutely lead a successful lynch of JJJ. FAILED KILL.

Nights 3 and 4 we were more conservative with our kill choices and finally people died. Unfortunately I got lynched along the way, primarily driven at EOD4 by the two people who were supposed to be corpses.

dunya joined the game in there too, and that introduced an entirely new threat in place of my favorite mislynch target. We couldn't kill her on her first night in the game because that's incredibly rude. So we tried on her second night. NOPE.

Oh my goodness this one drove me nuts.

Oh well though, it was fun, I enjoyed hanging out with my teammates in BTSC. Elohcin especially did a great job to hang in there as best as she could under impossible POE circumstances. nijuu joined this game in a pretty hopeless position and made it a lot of fun to continue following. Wilgy was busy like I was; shit happens my friend.

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2017 10:10 am I'm surprised I didn't get killed in those 3 nights tbh.

You were the failed Night 5 kill. And Night 9.

Amusing to discover that Olympus Mons was basically an anti-civilian role. The win condition may not literally state it, but if it's based on height and all the mafia are the shortest mountains, then, well...

Apparently half the team was invincible. :P

Yeah by that point we were throwing hail mary passes. It was evident we had very few routes to victory after about the third failed kill.

Really though good game, gang. The civilians put more collective effort into this game than I have ever seen in 24-hour days. 9 out of 10 mafias lose to that effort.

We were incredibly unlucky on top of that. We had the thread primed to start with two mislynches. They both failed, and the victims became confirmed townies instead. We killed both Sloonei and Epignosis before they could lead my destruction -- they both lived. We killed dunya before she could carry out her slaughter -- she lived.

This was truly my magnum opus.

If I do end up dead, a few parting words:

~ Any civilians who helped to kill me -- it's alright. I don't blame you. I understand that I have been a different player in this game and that is inherently going to generate suspicion. I'm over it.

~ Second, the activity level in this game has been fantastic to this point. The best thing the civilians can do moving forward is to maintain that through the finish. Do not let this game thread stagnate. That is the single best way to let a mafia team get comfortable.

~ Epi and Jack are full of shit right now. Press them on it when I'm gone. I'd also list Wilgy as a premier suspect.

~ My top town reads are Sloonei, dunya, and Quin.

~ I think speedchuck and malakim handled themselves well in this day phase, particularly toward the end. I'm less thrilled with Long Con.

~ Please at least give my ISOs a look, their primary value is as legacy and that's the whole point.

Well the avalanche has arrived.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:30 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:24 am Also: an absence of posts does have no civilian value. No shit.

The presence of posts with no civilian value is an actual cause for suspicion. Posts that do nothing are more suspicious than nothing that does nothing.
No. I don't agree, and I don't think you truly believe this.

It is insanely easy to create posts that look useful, especially early on.

When you called Mesk good, what was it in her posts that gave you that perspective? And why did you decide so very late in the Day that her posts had "no civilian value?" She had no new posts.

She made a single comment about Kyle in one of her later posts which I thought connected decently with her initial not-giving-Day-1-reads-but-here-are-some-thoughts post. I decided that wasn't a good reason to lend town credit and could as easily represent manufactured input.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:26 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:24 am Also: an absence of posts does have no civilian value. No shit.

The presence of posts with no civilian value is an actual cause for suspicion. Posts that do nothing are more suspicious than nothing that does nothing.
define "civilian value". Also explain why you justified your mesk vote by arguing that her posts lacked "utility".

A post which promotes a civilian-advantaged progression toward something, some discernible purpose, pursuit, or goal. I felt that a large majority of Mesk's posts failed to fit that description.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:23 am I was not demanding that you be consistent. You keep using that word, as if I care that you were inconsistent. I don't. I care more about why you were. Your turnaround against Mesk in favor of Dom came with no substantive reasoning. Rather than challenge people's votes for Mesk (which were weak), you...bought what they were selling?

Sorry- it doesn't add up.

I did buy it. I thought the reasoning was substantive, or at least more than it was for a Dom lynch. You continue to tell me that the reason was flimsy or weak or lacking in substance or whatever, but you have not told me why the following assertion is a bad one:

A lack of posts is not ideal. This does not provide any civilian utility.

The presence of posts which do not provide any civilian utility is even worse.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:23 am what does this mean?

If I am to be suspected for the inconsistency in my handling of Mesk, and that the suspicion is rooted in her lack of posts during that period of inconsistency -- that means the remaining explanation exists in the posts that were in place before the inconsistency. There was a time that existed wherein I gave Mesk a GTH good read based upon what I recalled of her content in the moment of the exercise. There was a separate time that existed wherein I looked at Mesks posts again and decided I didn't like them. This last notion is being ignored in Jack's accusation.

Also: an absence of posts does have no civilian value. No shit.

The presence of posts with no civilian value is an actual cause for suspicion. Posts that do nothing are more suspicious than nothing that does nothing.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:14 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:09 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:07 am
Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:03 am It still bugs me when people treat Dom and Mesk as if they were exactly equivalent.
Maybe it was different for you but I've never played with Mesk. To most of us, the lynches were very equivalent.

What do you think of Jimmy reversing his gth reads of Mesk and Dom even though neither posted anything to cause that reaction?
Why are you pretending Mesk didn't have 20some other posts?
Because they all took place 6 days prior to you townreading Mesk.

Why are you pretending that multiple separate looks into a post history can yield different perspectives?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:16 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:11 am A GTH read exercise does not exist to dictate future votes -- that's the mindset of a mafioso who feels some compulsion to be "consistent". GTH reads provide content for future analysis, real-time perspective on the participants, and stances on every player.

I am in the future. And I am analyzing you.

I am looking at what you said. You did a 180 when BOTH your bad and good call became serious lynch candidates.

Are you seriously- seriously- going to tell me that if somebody else called Dom bad, Mesk good, and then at the eleventh hour decided for the flimsiest of reasons to vote Mesk instead of Dom, that you would not be digging into that voter?

Your question is loaded, because "flimsy" is the perspective you have injected into it. I may well ask the inconsistency, but it wouldn't be an inspiring cause for a lynch. Civilians have no reason to give a damn about that.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:13 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:09 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 1:59 am What the hell is the point of "GTH reads" when you don't hold someone accountable for lynching someone he said was good over someone he said was bad when both were in hot water and neither had any additional activity?
I don't give two thirds of a shit what my GTH reads were. This is weak bullshit. Are you telling me that I am supposed to be mindful of my GTH reads and vote in accordance with them, that I am obliged to do that?

Fuck that shit. Quin mentioned Mesk. I looked at the Mesk posts which did exist and decided that a large percentage of them were of no civilian value. That's a more substantive reason to lynch someone than I saw for Dom, which was the absence of activity altogether.
No. Fuck your GTH bullshit if that's how it plays out. What is the point of those things if people aren't supposed to go back and figure out why a person suddenly changed his mind?

"Of no civilian value?" I don't agree with that. Mesk said shit. She even said a thing that gave me a good opinion of her. You didn't bother to take that into consideration, but golly, Quin pointing out how many posts she has is enough to sway your vote?

Dom's posts were "Of no civilian value." He had basically none.

You said something in this thread somewhere about someone else taking their perspectives as gospel -- here you go. One moment that you liked does not determine how I vote.

The point of those things is variable by the people who do anything with them. I use them in interactive analyses more than anything else. Other people might do different things with them. They're multi-faceted.

To be consistent between GTH reads and a vote is the easiest thing there is for anyone who has a reason to give a shit. I don't.

A GTH read exercise does not exist to dictate future votes -- that's the mindset of a mafioso who feels some compulsion to be "consistent". GTH reads provide content for future analysis, real-time perspective on the participants, and stances on every player.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:07 am
Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:03 am It still bugs me when people treat Dom and Mesk as if they were exactly equivalent.
Maybe it was different for you but I've never played with Mesk. To most of us, the lynches were very equivalent.

What do you think of Jimmy reversing his gth reads of Mesk and Dom even though neither posted anything to cause that reaction?

Why are you pretending Mesk didn't have 20some other posts?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 1:59 am What the hell is the point of "GTH reads" when you don't hold someone accountable for lynching someone he said was good over someone he said was bad when both were in hot water and neither had any additional activity?

I don't give two thirds of a shit what my GTH reads were. This is weak bullshit. Are you telling me that I am supposed to be mindful of my GTH reads and vote in accordance with them, that I am obliged to do that?

Fuck that shit. Quin mentioned Mesk. I looked at the Mesk posts which did exist and decided that a large percentage of them were of no civilian value. That's a more substantive reason to lynch someone than I saw for Dom, which was the absence of activity altogether.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 1:00 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:47 am
Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:43 am Now that you mention it it seems strange he's not focusing on people who could viably be lynched today.
There are two hours remaining. Nearly anyone can viably be lynched today. Given the freedom and total control, who would you lynch right now?
cbob or speedchuck or maybe DDL

you've got the most votes right now and I trust about half of your voters but I've felt sincerity in your posts and actions but Nutella is right that maybe that really actually your goal, did you respond to nutella's post about that?

Yeah

Talk to me about your suspicion of DDL.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:53 am
Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 10:18 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 10:17 pm Hm that's odd
What's odd?
DDL moving to JJJ.
That's like the opposite of what he was reading at the time right?

I read his jockeying over his read on me to be genuine.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:41 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:29 am speedchuck stuff
TMI Alert. My initial reception of speedchuck's handling of LC/Epi was a positive one, but I disagree with myself now.

In a scenario where both Epi and LC are civilians, speedchuck has exonerated one and defended the other based on what I perceive to be pretty dubious premises. High-roading both of them, by essentially suggesting both were being dumb instead of being suspicious, may be suggestive of unique information in speedchuck's possession -- information which could only come from a mafia alignment at this point in the game.
Exactly how I feel about that.

Is this the core of your own speedchuck suspicion or is there more?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:49 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:48 am I wouldn't lynch malakim today.
neither would i.

Immediate thoughts on what I said about speedchuck?

I wouldn't lynch malakim today.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:43 am Now that you mention it it seems strange he's not focusing on people who could viably be lynched today.

There are two hours remaining. Nearly anyone can viably be lynched today. Given the freedom and total control, who would you lynch right now?

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:36 am
It's obvious, come on. Several reasons. First of all, he really has no choice at this point since it's his last chance to appear town and convince us that he's his normal supertown self by doing ISOs and scumhunting. Of course he's doing this now. Second, if he's scum I would bet that he is using some sort of wifom trickery/manipulating his ISOs so that when he flips bad we'll be thrown off by his "reads" and not know which ones were real -- so he might be bussing teammates, or defending them, or otherwise completely throwing us off the trail in providing these reads.

@JaggedJimmyJay how are you deciding who to ISO? So far you've done bob, wilgy, malakim, and speedchuck. Those seem kind of random. What is your reasoning for choosing them?

They are players that I wanted a developed, thorough read on and that I felt the thread needed more analytic content for. malakim is mostly the product of Dom's replacement though -- it's an opportunity to do something with a previously empty slot instead of just make flier reads on a whim.

I've tried to explain why I've played this game the way I have. I know I don't look like the generic civilian JJJ looks. What I don't understand is why there'd be a perception that I am trying to look that way.

speedchuck stuff

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speedchuck's earliest set of posts follow a sort of stream-of-consciousness thread parallel to his continuing read through the thread. This little progression here is cute. I mean that in a good way. The first two would be a creative means of manufacturing fake poop to throw (the poop isn't stated and merely implied to exist). It's similar to what Quin did with the "why will I vote Epi" thing. It's atypical of mafioso game-entry.

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While I agree with the logic of speedchuck's assertion here, it's unclear whether this is meant to reflect any particular way on Epignosis (the one who provided the argument being shat on). Logical gripes in a vacuum don't add much.

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This one seems more inclined toward a stance, sort of. It's defensive of Epi in that it is critical of those who opposed him. The specific read on Epi himself remains unclear -- only that he provided a perceived stupid argument and that Epi doesn't know how to "defend against asininity". I cannot believe "asininity" is a word. I thought for sure there'd be a red squiggly coming. I learned something today!

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TMI Alert. My initial reception of speedchuck's handling of LC/Epi was a positive one, but I disagree with myself now.

In a scenario where both Epi and LC are civilians, speedchuck has exonerated one and defended the other based on what I perceive to be pretty dubious premises. High-roading both of them, by essentially suggesting both were being dumb instead of being suspicious, may be suggestive of unique information in speedchuck's possession -- information which could only come from a mafia alignment at this point in the game.

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speedchuck really hates this argument. It's just so dumb. And Epi's handling of it was dumb. So much dumb.

I appreciate that speedchuck made a good effort to remain relevant under the restriction he posted with on Day 2. He did participate less than in prior phases, but I think that's understandable. It can't be easy to find inspiration (hi Quin) for slick new poems over and over. He made the most of the posts he made. Decent look.

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The green highlighted portion is another example of general criticism to arguments/cases provided -- in this instance it was the Sloonei near-lynch which was super dumb.

The orange portion is rather yuck at face value.

"The lack of defense cbob is getting is kinda disturbing"

I acknowledge speedchuck was answering my own prompt here, but I'm still not sure this content is going somewhere. All possibilities are discussed, and a semi-conclusion is derived -- without being conclusive. The latter post strikes me as pointless.

"blatant misreprentation"

I don't hate this defense he provided against my grievance. I can understand why a civilian speedchuck would be irritated in this circumstance, and why the suspicion would be reflected.

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He forgave me really fast, based only on this meta stuff from the two past mafia-aligned games I provided.

Night 2 rainbow

At this point in the game, I'd say these reads were pretty much with-the-grain across each tier, excepting only Epignosis. It's surprising to see Epignosis, a player speedchuck has spoken of frequently in this post history, stuck in the yellow pile alongside the guy with zero posts.

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A lot of people seem to be put off by self-meta like this, but I tend to be a fan -- at least in the right dosage. In this regard I appreciate speedchuck's willingness to shoo at the bad GTH reads he received based on perceived meta misinterpretation. Some baddies don't even try it. Cool beans.

Big ass reads list

It must be said that this is the most substantive full reads list that exists in this game thread, at least to my memory. I think speedchuck is capable of making this post as a bad guy, but that's really the worst thing I can say about it. I think it's a quality contribution and a good look for him. The reads not labeled "EGH" are assertive for the most part and bear an agreeable tone. The reads labeled "EGH" are understandable. Conclusive reads on everyone is a lot to ask. It should also be noted that a more concrete stance on Epi was taken here, specifically in the negative direction. That at least resolves a long-standing void in this post history.

"Screw you mate"

Candid reception of suspicion stated by dunya. That opening statement is rather curt. I'm not sure a mafia speedchuck would reflect suspicion upon dunya, a player who is so likely to engage him in a long argument, with quite the fervor displayed here.

~~~

This was a very mixed bag. I have discussed multiple grievances and positives here. The worst of it is probably the TMI notion I discussed regarding his reception of LC/Epi. The best might be at the very end there, between the reads compilation and his reaction to dunya's accusation. The TMI notion itself is contingent upon other alignments (LC and Epi), and it moves me less. I lean more town than not on speedchuck -- it's a read which I think calls for a lot of dialogue.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 11:23 pm why is drwilgy the best lynch option today?

Beefs stated here

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 11:01 pm Moved my vote to speedchuck

He's my current ISO in progress. What motivates your vote now?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 11:10 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 11:01 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 10:55 pm The only scenario in which I can see Jay being town is if he's completely fatigued from real life duties right now and simply doesn't have the energy to replicate his usual style.
Did you misspeak here? This sentence seems to imply a point countered to the rest of your post.
No. I'm saying it's possible that this is just exhausted Jay, but that I also still note the same differences in his game as I've been pointing out for the last 48 hours and I can't put them out of my mind.

Design a perfect civilian faction

Given my inability to serve in that typical role of content facilitation, which requires a constant thread presence and devotion to staying on top of each dialogue, I have to find other ways to contribute. A good civilian needs to be able to be more than a one-trick pony.

I'm trying to be the detached analyst. It's not my comfort zone. It's not what I'm used to. I think it's what I'm best able to provide to the civilian team dynamic in this game. This game has moved at a torrent pace. The generation of content has never been an issue, and motivators and facilitators are present in my stead, at least most of whom are likely to be trustworthy. Were it not for that, maybe I would have been foolish and spent way more time trying to make this move in typical fashion. Thank goodness it hasn't been necessary for my sake.

Stuff about malakim2099

This player slot has been essentially vacant for the whole game. It no longer is, so I think folks should make an immediate effort to sort that read.

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malakim needed 34 minutes to find something suspicious, in this case in support of an assertion by DDL about Quin. This is rather bizarre, because DDL's suspicion appears contingent upon either me or malakim himself being mafia (and Quin's maneuver to lynch Mesk thus representing a save). malakim: did you view this notion of Quin's voting, regardless of its accuracy relative to the poll voting order, suspicious independent of the connection DDL drew?

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There's no harm in asking for some time to get through the lengthy game thread. I'd have liked this more though without the appeal to emotion angle shoved into the first bit.

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I like this one more. I would expect a civilian who has replaced into these conditions and finds himself beset by suspicions emerging from an EOD3 in which he played no part to view his accusers with some concern. This strikes me as a natural result of the circumstances, wherein a civilian Domalakim would be a low-hanging fruit.

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What does that theory matter with regard to your willingness to vote for me? Do you suspect me more because people think I might be on your mafia team?

I need to step away from the legacy for a short time. I would like to do two more of these before the day nears its end. I'm accepting requests. I will only honor the request if I feel the name is a pertinent one given time constraints.

A fresh look at DrWilgy

First substantive post

Quin's little move to generate responses re: his pledge to "vote Epi whenever" got a reply from Wilgy. It's a strategic assertion which doesn't say much of anything about either Epi or Quin. Filler potential. The negative read on Daisy is a loud one. Okay. The question he posed to Sloonei could have some utility if there's follow-up.

Another early multi-quote salad (let's make it a Thing guys)

There are numerous questions here. Questions are neat. I don't know what Wilgy is doing with them though.

Multi-quote salad again

Wilgy is inserting nuggets of chatter into numerous conversations. They don't boast much unique insight though. The sole stance I see taken here is an agreement with Quin's grievance against Kyle.

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I wouldn't say this is the first time I have seen "normal Wilgy", or at least a Wilgy who involves himself in the game with words and posts. The first example that comes to mind is Talking Heads (he was bad). I don't know why Daisy's fear of his normalcy is a "good thing".

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The one stance I referenced before was Wilgy's take on Kyle, via Quin. Kyle responded with a contrary description of his behavior. Wilgy's reply is a neutral observation which is no longer interrogative. The only stance taken thus dissipates, leaving this post history a bit bare to this point -- more than it appears at a glance. That's not ideal.

Jack ISO

It's nice that Wilgy's takes in this ISO are multi-directional -- he has both positive and negative things to say about Jack. The negative side wins the day, as the conclusion is a scum read on Jack. Some of the language employed here is a concern:

"Are you buddying or talking with a teammate here?" -- Loaded question

"I feel that JoH has a way of portraying things that either are forced or feel like a forced portrayal." -- Jack has a way of either portraying things that are forced or forcing a portrayal. Eh? What does that mean?

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Wilgy expressed concern that he might be tunneling on Jack and pledged to broaden his focus.

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Wilgy joined the Mesk wagon at EOD3. I don't take issue with a decision being made on the fly like this in the heat of EOD nonsense. It does beg expansion now though -- Wilgy, what inspired (hi Quin) your willingness to contribute to this wagon?

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dunya was critical of Wilgy's lack of hard stances and Wilgy took issue. On this front, I think dunya's assertion is valid. There's really not much in the way of stances in this post history that I can see.

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The highlighted bit reads awkwardly at face value. First, there's an implied suspicion, or at least "room" for suspicion -- but the assertion of a "tree being shaken" is as applicable (if not moreso) to a civilian as a mafioso. Indeed shaking trees is often half the game.

~~~

I've stated numerous grievances here and less nice to say. Wilgy is a suspect.

Nothing pisses me off like losing half of an ISO because of an errant click of the "back" button.

A fresh look at colonialbob

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I've highlighted a bit in this early exchange with Sloonei. Colonel Bob's vote was portrayed to be of the poop fling variety, which is a fine Day 1 approach for content generation and facilitation. I question though whether Bob had real investment in that vote given the highlighted content -- to be perturbed by Sloonei's question, answer it anyway, and in such a way that it essentially absolves Sloonei of the pressure inherent to the vote. "My vote is here now, but it'll probably move so don't worry bae." When Sloonei reversed the pressure in his direction, he kind of tucked his tail there.

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I don't know what the value of "consolidating trains" is with numerous hours remaining prior to the deadline.

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The LC vote is qualified more substantively here, with an inconsistency cited. I don't know that the parallel being drawn here is entirely logical, but that's not necessarily a concern. Logic and civilianhood don't always mesh. There's another example of projected vote mobility here, and I'll note that he is transparent in the repeated examples of this. Transparency is nice -- if his strategy is insincere, he is welcoming players to tell him that. That's perhaps atypical of a Day 1 mafioso.

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Late Day 1 stances. I appreciate that they are assertive for the most part, and not bogged down with caveats (perhaps apart from the Jack read, but that's rather nitpicky).

There's a string of posts in Bob's N1 content which I think looks off-the-cuff, starting around the point of this link in his ISO. He is interrogative with discernible direction and purpose. Cool beans.

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Bob couldn't be called stubborn in his reads. I have seen a few examples to this point of assertive reads revisited and reconsidered, and in such a way that I don't think he looks like he is ebbing with the flow of the dialogue -- it looks more like original thinking.

This rainbow represents a turn though, specifically on Jack. I don't follow what has happened with that read in the last handful of posts.

Vote Sloonei and:

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Soon after labeling Sloonei a dark greenie in his rainbow, Bob goes after him for a specific moment he cited above. This guy doesn't give a shit about being consistent. Good. This developed into a significant exchange between the two of them which lasted through the later portion of Day 2.

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If bob is a mafioso and Sloonei is a civilian, he was met with a challenging scenario after the Day 2 no lynch. Sloonei's general credit in the thread improved in that period, and then he made a big ISO for Bob himself. In this scenario, mafia Bob saw his attempted lynch target gain a strong foothold and then turn the sword against him in quick succession. I draw this image to facilitate a perspective of the post above wherein Bob assesses Sloonei's case against him -- that it started from a point of bias and wasn't alignment indicative. It strikes me as a necessary condition that for Sloonei to be susceptible to this bias, he must first be a civilian. A mafia Sloonei operates with a deliberate slant, not an pre-biased mindset. I don't care for this response. I described the challenge a mafia Bob would have faced handling Sloonei's ISO, and this response does bear an appearance of "I don't know what to do about this."

Qualified the same dialogue as confirmation bias

Bob's Day 3 content was largely Jack-centric, wherein he was critical of Jack for being "wishy-washy" and "flip-floppy". Example. Eh. I've never cared for that manner of accusation. I've seen plenty of civilians and plenty of mafia members render it. On a tonal level I think he sounds okay.

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I had more positive to say about Colonel Bob than negative. The good stuff is more of an intuited reception of his tone, assertiveness, and candor in the earlier half of the game. My chief concerns come in his handling of Sloonei's case against him.

Leaning town, with reservations.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 5:23 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 5:16 pm I said I was going to put reads in this thread and I will. I do not have time to be Jerry Seinfeld and I don't give a shit about trying to be Jerry Seinfeld. I frankly don't see how there could be any impression that I give a shit about trying to be Jerry Seinfeld or any other generic super-civilian cookie cutter rendition of myself given the posts I have made in this game. This variety of meta read is bogus, as though JJJ suddenly forgets how to make a million posts when he draws a mafia role.

There's a reason I am only here during brief windows right now. That won't change for the foreseeable future in this or ensuing games. I implore the civilians in this thread to engage a broad dialogue whether I am your locked vote or not. Nothing is friendlier to the mafia team right now than a continuing focus on me, especially when I am in no position to engage the discussion.
I'd really prefer you to give us reasons you're town, rather than "I'm not bad you'll regret voting for me because it's what the mafia wants"

That's not remotely what I said. I don't give a shit about votes.

When I get out of this lab and can actually play this game tonight, it's full legacy. I have to choose between arguing with my accusers to no end and giving actual reads, because there's no way I'll get to both -- and the former is close to useless anyway.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 5:22 pm What is the reason?

It only gets worse every day.

I said I was going to put reads in this thread and I will. I do not have time to be Jerry Seinfeld and I don't give a shit about trying to be Jerry Seinfeld. I frankly don't see how there could be any impression that I give a shit about trying to be Jerry Seinfeld or any other generic super-civilian cookie cutter rendition of myself given the posts I have made in this game. This variety of meta read is bogus, as though JJJ suddenly forgets how to make a million posts when he draws a mafia role.

There's a reason I am only here during brief windows right now. That won't change for the foreseeable future in this or ensuing games. I implore the civilians in this thread to engage a broad dialogue whether I am your locked vote or not. Nothing is friendlier to the mafia team right now than a continuing focus on me, especially when I am in no position to engage the discussion.

I don't have nearly the time or inclination to answer these prods/accusations, and I won't bother -- the utility of that would be limited anyway. Unfortunately this game has to be about my eleventh priority right now. I am going to provide as much as I possibly can in the way of reads and analysis tomorrow, and if I get lynched so be it. Any civilians out there among my accusers: I can't stop you, but I do encourage you to at least begin considering how you'll proceed in the event that you are wrong -- because you are.

I'm going to goddamn sleep.

Bummer.

It's finally Night 2.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:40 am can you see no town conviction behind mesk's posts?

I referenced earlier the one thing I thought was okay (her handling of Kylemii). I am more moved by the negative than the positive.

Back to Mesk

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:37 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:33 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:31 am To what degree do you believe in your case?
why is mesk a better lynch than elohcin and dom?
I believe in my Elohcin case enough to want to lynch her.

Mesk is not a better lynch than Elohcin. Mesk is a better lynch than Dom because the low-poster motivation suits both of them, while only the former's content features tangible reasons for suspicion.
Bullshit. The latter has no content to compare.

That's the point. -1 is less than 0.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:34 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:33 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:31 am To what degree do you believe in your case?
why is mesk a better lynch than elohcin and dom?
I believe in my Elohcin case enough to want to lynch her.

Mesk is not a better lynch than Elohcin. Mesk is a better lynch than Dom because the low-poster motivation suits both of them, while only the former's content features tangible reasons for suspicion.
what are these tangible reasons

She provided a big post of non-reads which had mafia utility (appearance of contribution) but little civilian utility. She has numerous posts which do not promote a civilian-oriented pursuit of something; they just exist.

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