The Syndicate

lol i'm 3-0 in this setup now.

#undeservedboast

Just dawning on me how improbable it was for town to win this game. In this setup, I would guess the win rate for town when the cop gets lynched on Day 1 is well south of 10%.

Oh wow. That was an improbable finish. Great comeback everyone. I've never deserved a win less.

Voting Diiny. Suspicious enough to warrant my vote and logic kind of dictates the move anyway from where I sit right now. I have to get to sleep.

I expect to be dead when I wake up. So in advance of that, I'd like to apologize to y'all, townies and mafia alike, for the unspectacular effort I've given you in this game. I really am exhausted, both in general and specifically with Mafia. I've just had too much lately and it's finally caught up with me. I blame myself for this lynch before I blame any townie who might be contributing to it.

If you lynch me, you'll move into an elimination phase where all votes are locked. This means that if a single townie votes for any other townie, the game is over. The Mafia will pile on and it will be out of town's hands. So take care, but don't give up. Even if we don't win, wouldn't it be preferable to make them sweat it out a bit? I'm sorry again that I couldn't do more to make that happen.

I believe in y'all.

I loathe you all for giving me the post count lead. Also I'm going to need to self-reflect for a while after this game about the fact that I've played this game at about 25% and still lead the post count.

MovingPictures07 stuff.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:Yup, definitely taking the role of observer for a while.

I don't like this post. At all.

If you can't stand the heat, then stay out of the kitchen. I struggle to see why a civilian zebra would want to dial back her participation.

Giving Zebra too much crap for what I think was an honest move. I asked him about it too, but it's not hard to understand why he'd do this as a townie.

MovingPictures07 wrote:However, I feel as though this post exemplifies a characteristic I've seen from you this game that I do not feel I typically see of a civilian JJJ, and that I feel I've seen more in the few games I've witnessed you as anti-town. It's hard to describe exactly and I've been having trouble figuring out how to express it... but there's a difference with the diction and sentence wording with you this game. For example, in the above post, I get the feeling that you're implying that we should town read you because you're not tunneling.

Does that make sense? Is there any way you can address my concern here? I realize it's a bit abstract and up to my interpretation of your words, but there's something distinctly different about you this game and I cannot for the life of me get on the same page with you yet.

Does anyone else know what I'm talking about or am I alone here?

Reads like someone really struggling to find a way to join the anti-JJJ climate. That it's so vague isn't ideal, but I'm more bothered by the assertion that MP is associating my "diction/sentence wording" with an anti-town alignment. That's a pretty specific association and without a better example than the one provided (I didn't say anything resembling "should", the operative word) it looks like it's being pulled from nowhere, as in it'd be fake.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:zebra, and anyone else who has currently voted for Diiny, please talk to me about him. I've not been pinged by him all game, except for finding his treatment of Wilgy's gambit suddenly altering his read on Wilgy perplexing (if he is town). I'm struggling to get my head wrapped around why people are calling his behavior mafia.

Every single one of his posts reads as remarkably disingenuous to me, not to mention his lynch was sealed until JJJ brought up Enrique. I try to avoid team theories like most, but come on. That's something. Since you're the minority, I'm curious to hear why you haven't been pinged by him yet.

Difference of perspective, I suppose, since I haven't seen practically anything in his posts that has pinged me as disingenuous. He seems on-meta, and I think he has been trying to legitimately mafia hunt.

The unique perspective of Diiny is fine. I like a different viewpoint. I don't know much about how MP arrived here though. Multiple times has he stood in defense of Diiny, primarily on the strength of his apparent mafia hunting and his sincerity -- without showing examples of that. It's perhaps unusual of MP to adopt an atypical read without making some effort to convey it to everyone else in a convincing way. The read is just presented repeatedly in confident terms for reasons I don't believe have been clarified much.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Day 2 MP rainbow list:

Epignosis

DrWilgy
MacDougall

Diiny

DFaraday
motel room
TheFloyd73

a2thezebra
JaggedJimmyJay

FZ.

Voting FZ.

MP and I had some decent discussions related to his suspicion of me, and in each case it seemed like he approved of my answers. It didn't do me any favors on the rainbow though. I'm not convinced this read is ever truly developing.

MovingPictures07 wrote:With that said, I agree that motel room engaging both Wilgy and me separately in conversation regarding Wilgy's strategy are a good look. I hadn't really thought of it with regards to motel room's attempt to form a substantive read on Wilgy, but it makes sense.

I'll think about how it affects him on my rainbow overall, but I think he'll move up a level or two. I'm not willing to call him a moderate town read, but I won't be voting for him today.

Thanks again for producing these.

Too much hesitation to give motel room a break. MP had placed him in the middle pile of his prior rainbow, and even grants here that he'd be willing to move him up a level or two -- but not to the point of being a "moderate town read". A level or two would be firmly in green land. What does he have to do?

MovingPictures07 wrote:Day 2 EOD MP rainbow list:

No strong town reads

Epignosis
MacDougall
DrWilgy

Diiny
motel room

TheFloyd73
DFaraday
JaggedJimmyJay

a2thezebra
FZ.

No strong mafia reads

Most suspicious of Zebra and FZ at the end of Day 2.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Hey all. I'm going to apologize profusely in advance to all of you and MM. But this Day 3 timing couldn't possibly be any worse for me, since my final is Tuesday at 7:00AM. Expect me to be barely here. However, after that I'm fully willing to make up for any gap in supatown MP.

Welcome, sig! Glad to have you. Sad to see FZ. go, but it seems like she was pretty busy. I had FZ.'s behavior down as incredibly mafia-seeming, so you have a lot of room to grow, sig, if you are civilian. So far, so good.

I can join in applying pressure on JJJ for now. Curious to see what he has to say.

Mac, can you tell me how sig's behavior clears FZ.? His contribution so far seems solid, but I'm far from convinced.

Forgets Zebra exists and gives FZ/sig an immediate pass in favor of placing this "pressure vote" on the one player who nobody ever needs to reaction-bait. I'm the easiest vote of the day and this is weak.

~~~

I GTH read MP as mafia and felt like I should check his posts to figure out why. I found some pings. Here are the pings. I don't pretend this is the most damning material of all time, but without a dead mafioso nothing is going to be that damning. Address them as you've the time, MP. I may or may not be here when you're able to do that.

That development spawned directly from your nonsense about lynching Floyd first.

Being consistent is the easiest thing in Mafia, Epi. I don't give a crap about being consistent. I care about developing my reads.

Ugh I clicked MP's ISO expecting like 70 posts and there are over 120.

I'd just like to point out to y'all that you trust someone who made this post:

Epignosis wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Epignosis's crusade against Floyd is based upon what strikes me as close to nothing, so I view it dubiously. Regardless of Floyd's alignment, I don't understand Epi's conduct as a town approach -- he is shouting his desired target and apparently doesn't care much at all about anything else happening in the game. That's not inspiring, and even if he is right about Floyd it would strike me as luck at best and calculated at worst. Epi doesn't strike me as the guy that plays for a lucky break.

I don't know how one can have any conviction in reading Floyd as town or mafia right now. There's not enough there.

I don't need a lecture about being inspiring and playing for lucky breaks from a guy who voted out the cop Day 1.

Good one.

Diiny wrote:Town (surprised?)

fukken... Town

This actually reads quite belabored. You shouldn't feel the need to qualify a GTH read with anything. "Surprised?" implies you give a shit what Zebra thinks of your read on him.

Diiny wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:He looks too bad. I know that's kind of a cop-out on my part, but I have trouble supporting the lynch of a player whose actions seem too dangerous and too overtly transparent for a baddie to make. I'm in kind of the same place with Wilgy, although in Wilgy's case his actions are pure WIFOM whereas with motel room I think I could be more easily convinced that he's more likely low-key scum than bizarre town. Time will tell.

So, this point makes me feel a lot of feelings.

On one hand I disagree with the too bad to be bad argument. On the other hand, the logic I found odd about Wilgy's wifomminess not being an issue for zeb is used kinda fluently here which makes me think it's more likely that zeb actually believes it.

Diiny, I don't know what you mean here by "used kinda fluently" and would like for you to expand. I care because it's a necessary component of me judging whether you really have any investment in knowing whether Zebra "actually believes it".

I could also consider Floyd. I've forgiven his dramatic language because it's so easy to associate it with Epi's crusade, but I can understand why some would view his reactions to the cop lynch dubiously.

People I wouldn't lynch:

Zebra
Mac*
motel room

*If I'm wrong about one of these, it's probably him.

sig wrote:Second this post seems kinda weird? Like your being very nice and it strikes me as odd.

This bolded bit is one of my favorite sentences I've ever seen in a Mafia game. I know you didn't intend anything by it other than to state a read, but I can't help but smile. I feel like I could represent the entire concept of Mafia with that single sentence pretty well. Anyway, I try to be a nice person. I think it's important to be nice. Sometimes I might not seem nice, but I hope it's understood that my intentions aren't malicious or personal.

sig wrote:Who do you think besides myself, and Epi should we lynch today?

I also gut read MP as mafia, apparently. I'd rather lynch Epignosis than anyone else, but I don't think y'all seem keen on that one. Maybe you'll be more interested when I'm dead. Otherwise I'm going to consider the Diiny option. I don't have enough time or energy tonight to invest heavily in this hunt, but I'll give y'all something.

sig wrote:I also believe he purposely set up a Enrique lynch. He mentioned Enrique a few times, but not to often then suddenly voted for him starting a counterwagon on you.

I did assign what I considered to be "the most suspicious post in the thread" to Enrique. I think that's a valid enough inspiration for a Day 1 vote. Diiny would have been a better choice clearly, but Enrique gave us no way of knowing he was the cop until after the deadline (and hours after I'd left the thread and placed the only vote on him). So it was just a shitty thing, man. A shitty thing.

~~~

I will say sig that your tone couldn't read more town right now. That's a nice thing. My suspicion of you is entirely based on what FZ put in this thread, and I don't think you could have done a better job entering this game to show the right demeanor -- even if you're after me.

For now I have to go. I'll be back in a bit to offer whatever hunting I can manage. Expect me to have no influence on EOD though.

I enjoyed a little indecision between Diiny and sig. Neat. I'll look into that.

town

scum

town

DIINY

SIG

MACDOUGALL

scum

scum

MOVINGPICTURES07

EPIGNOSIS

town

hi

ZEBRA

JJJ

town

town

GUN TO HEAD:

THEFLOYD73

MOTEL ROOM

Still with us, Zebra?

Earth2Diiny, G2H

a2thezebra wrote:I'm down for G2H.

Good enough for me if you're in Diiny. Three out of however many ain't bad.

Oh fine.

Diiny wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: I'm going to make a friendly suggestion, sig. You can ignore it if you please. If you're town, I think you're too absorbed with people defending each other. Almost everything you have to say in this big post is in some way associated with that concept, and at least in every case involving my name, you're wrong. I think you'd be wrong most of the time with this mindset. Mafia-aligned players are going to dupe you frequently if you don't adjust. If I'm wrong about your mindset or you think I'm just wrong in general, very well.

What you say about Sig is true. He's looking entirely for connections and hasn't actually said why you were scummy. He's given one reason as far as I can see: that your reaction post was scummy. I did the research and found out you do this when you mislynch as town, but whatever. I have an issue with this, but I also have an issue with your reaction. I'm undecided on you, Jay, and whilst on the most part I'm seeing the JJJ that's only gotten himself lynched as town a couple of times with your most recent bout of posting, this seems like you're trying to emulate polite JJJ too much instead of being the aforementioned not-lynched-as town J. This man has constructed a case against you that doesn't actually accuse you of scummy behaviour, only connections that are based on you being scum. And instead of blowing it out of the water you politely suggest he think about the case in a different way if he wants to.

I don't think you're judging his case fairly. I even said "I don't fault you for thinking this." to at least one of his points. He's wrong, and I think his approach is a bad one, but that doesn't mean he has ulterior motives. I actually appreciate the enthusiasm he showed by jumping into this thread with a bone to pick, even if it's misguided. I get the impression he was spectating a bit before joining (he can refute that if necessary) and thought I was mafia as a neutral observer. I bet a solid few of those in spectator heaven think I'm mafia, it'd be understandable.

I even said earlier that I feel similar to how I felt in the Champs Finale, when I was mafia. This effort from me has not been to my standard and I would expect people to suspect me. I'm not quite the sleepless robot that many think I am, but based on the body of work people have observed before this game -- I understand.

I am suspicious of sig only in that he is the progeny of FZ.

This would be a neat time for GTH reads. I'd prefer more than two people take part. I'm not even sure what my reads are on everyone, and allowing my gut to speak might be a good way to find direction.

OMG JJJ doesn't have reads?????!!!!!11111

I'll expand on why I completely dismissed Epignosis when he questioned Mac and I for being unwilling to lynch Floyd before him. It's an important component of why I still have a mafia read on Epi. Some people brought up RYM #82. I think only motel room (underlined to get his attention) played in it, so I'm going to need you (aokiji) to help me out here by confirming or denying what I say. I'm going to draw a parallel.

In that game, my mafia strategy was very simple -- make people think I'm MrMungbean's team mate (he was town), and always keep him one step ahead of me on the tally. The benefit was two-fold. First, if Mungbean is lynched and flips town, that suspicion evaporates. Second, if I am lynched before Mungbean, then my mafia flip will be all people need to lynch him next. Toward the end of the game, I shifted to a position that'd facilitate him going before me because it'd force town into an early LyLo or near-LyLo scenario from which they couldn't recover.

They lynched him at LyLo and lost the game.

In this setup, we're never very far from LyLo. 10 vs 3 to start is already a daunting ratio, and two mislynches leaves us at LyLo eve if a townie is lynched again (as we're on course for currently). Epi's insistence that Floyd should be lynched before him, and that people who don't acknowledge that are inherently suspicious for it, looks to me quite a lot like what I pulled in RYM #82. Epi has noted that some players (Mac and I) associated him and Floyd as team mates, and he's playing into it by doing nothing to argue the notion and keeping Floyd one step in front of him in the tally -- or at least he's trying to.

This might be an overly personal parallel to draw. I don't know. But it's in my head and it's affecting my read. I'll allow you folks to judge as you may, and I do reiterate that I need motel room's input especially because he's the only player who can really understand what I'm trying to say unfortunately.

Diiny, please fix that big post you made with the broken quote. I'm having trouble translating it.

motel room wrote:some things:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:*prolonged fart noise*

Good night y'all.

^ this was the same response JJJ had in RYM #82 after working a bullshit case on me, we argued, then I flipped town. Lest we forget.

Let's go on a wild adventure into Mafia threads past.

RYM #82 (JJJ is mafia)

RYM #84 (JJJ is town)

Recruitment IV (JJJ is at the time unrecruited neutral)

Economics Mafia (JJJ is town)

Bullets over Broadway (JJJ is town)

Let's face it... I like saying that.

Something I did in Talking Heads which I'll bring back for this game, at least for my own sake, is:

"What do you think is the best indicator in your post history that you're town?"

In this game, I think it's my discovery of an important connection in motel room's cross-day mindset that evidenced he is town. If I'm mafia then I just wasted a great opportunity to let y'all go after a very lynchable player. His posts have mostly been brief, and his tone always seems to rub some people the wrong way. That was one of the easiest mislynches on the table if I'm right about him being town, and I took it off the table.

Because I don't want mislynches.

You folks can take that however you will.

MacDougall wrote:Sucks that you can't be here because you have to explain why you voted the way you did at the end of the day phase.

Situation:

JJJ has bad read on FZ, Diiny + Epignosis
Wilgy has 3 votes on he, Jimmy not scum reading he
Epi has 2 votes, including Jimmy
FZ has 1 vote, MP
Diiny has 2 votes, including Wilgy

Problem:

Doc is nearly lynched and Jimmy not want

Solution:

Jimmy moves vote from Epi (2 votes) to FZ (2 votes) instead of Diiny (3 votes) which would have at least put Wilgy in a coin flip with a scum read.

Other concerns:

It was so late that you gave Wilgy only the option of changing his vote from Diiny to FZ at the last minute to self preserve, but your vote was so late that you gave him non ample time to do so. Also had he come in at the same time as your vote to self preserve vote he would have voted for Epignosis, another scum read of yours to do so, putting Epi into a coin flip, but then your vote would have moved it to FZ. Time was of the essence so this delay could have been crucial to him being lynched. However he did not self preserve vote Epignosis, so that clusterfuck unfortunately did not eventuate.

How this looks:

It looks like your read on Diiny was baloni and that you moved your vote to FZ instead of to Diiny because you didn't actually want him lynched at all.

I was suspicious of Diiny and FZ. I was more suspicious of FZ than Diiny. Nobody seemed to be reading FZ town, and I thought her lynch was viable enough to pursue. I probably waited too long to actually place the vote, but I did endorse the lynch with enough time to spare. DrWilgy's vote did not have to be the important variable. I was actually concerned with your vote. I thought there was a good enough chance you'd help lynch FZ (yellow in your rainbow) over Diiny (green).

Instead, you sat there with your vote on someone who was never getting lynched even if I wanted it and pushed for it. I don't necessarily think you're bad for it, rather I think you were so focused on what I was doing that you allowed yourself to sink into conviction about me thoroughly enough that your trigger finger didn't even budge.

Oh shit, look at JJJ being scummy, I got it! I got it! I'm on to him! I'm going to shit in his cereal bowl in just a few moments! Here it comes!

It's fair to say I should have voted for Diiny instead. That's probably true, especially considering where the tally stands now (with him as my only counterwagon). I made a call in the heat of EOD and I thought I could get your vote with me. It didn't work.

MacDougall wrote:If Jimmy flips scum I will be looking deeper into Diiny too. And Floyd's Diiny vote today looks like distancing to me. I still think it's possible that Epi and Jimmy were staging a shit fight but in the harsh light of day it's highly unlikely they were. And I am now capable of aligning all of epi's behavior to civ so he is looking better to me.

What changed in your mind to alleviate your concerns about Epi?

a2thezebra wrote:This post, MP. WIFOM is a bridge, and when the WIFOM ends you're either on the side with town or the side against town. I saw this post and concluded that Wilgy was on the wrong side.

DrWilgy wrote:So I'm still out of town and don't have time to catch up before EOD. I have suspicions towards Diiny and FZ still. I don't feel comfortable with how close I am to being lynched, Diiny would you be willing to change off me to FZ? I will as well

Explain more. Your vote decided the lynch. What about that post drove you to a Doc vote which you never abandoned?

MovingPictures07 wrote:I can join in applying pressure on JJJ for now. Curious to see what he has to say.

"Pressure vote" on the most vocal Mafia player on the Internet when he already has a decent pile of votes on him "to see what he has to say". That's... weak.

sig wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I would encourage those who've already voted for Diiny to at least pause for a moment and carefully consider their vote and their mindset, because this is one of those wagons that could easily drift into a lynch while everyone complacently just waits. That's rarely ideal -- critically assess the situation and ensure you're really giving him a fair opportunity.

I wish I had more time to personally address this in a thorough way instead of just rendering advice, but yanno. I gotta get to sleep now, but I'll be back tomorrow with plenty of time to spare. I hope it continues to be an active discussion.

Woot woot! Was looking for something like this if Diiny is scum so is JJJ this seems like a scum attempt to save their buddy. I will be curious to see JJJ role ingetting Enrique lynched.

I don't fault you for thinking this. It's a totally obvious thing and you don't know me very well, so sure. Some players here do know me well though and haven't made any effort to counter this, and that's silly. People who know me are well aware that I promote a culture of constant reassessment and objectivity, and that this post does not mean anything about my association with Diiny. I'd have made the exact same post if any other player was in his position instead.

Epignosis, Mac, Diiny, MP, and motel room would all be very hard-pressed to accuse me of this. Someone among them is likely enjoying my predicament, and apparently none of them is willing to stand up when a faulty point is made about me and say it.

I'm going to make a friendly suggestion, sig. You can ignore it if you please. If you're town, I think you're too absorbed with people defending each other. Almost everything you have to say in this big post is in some way associated with that concept, and at least in every case involving my name, you're wrong. I think you'd be wrong most of the time with this mindset. Mafia-aligned players are going to dupe you frequently if you don't adjust. If I'm wrong about your mindset or you think I'm just wrong in general, very well.

sig wrote:Enrique’s lynch was just smh, I’m quite surprised I’m guessing at least two scum on that wagon.

I don't regret it. Talk to the other four that helped.

sig wrote:Not lynching Diiny (former top scum read who escaped the lynch or FZ same as diiny?) But instead going after Epi?

Another understandable beef, also raised by Mac. FZ was my choice though, and my posts at the end of the day support that. I called for a lynch of either FZ or Epignosis. It eventually became clear that an Epi lynch wasn't going to develop. I thought an FZ lynch could, because pretty much nobody was calling her a town read. I probably waited too long. Shit happens.

sig wrote:Who is James? Also how did Diiny go from scum to civ?

"James" was me. My name is actually Jay, but Mac can call me that if he likes.

sig wrote:You don’t seem to be pushing for anyone else, or really caring that Wilgy is about to be lynched even though you think he is scum?

Well none of this sentence is true. I'll start with the back half since it's easiest: I did not think Wilgy was scum. Huh?

As for my "not pushing for anyone else", nah. I pushed for an Epi lynch quite a lot at the beginning and end of the day phase. I endorsed an FZ lynch well before placing my vote.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Well the current course is a Wilgy lynch given Zebra's abitrary drop. I think FZ or Epignosis would be the best choices.

Epignosis wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I want to remind the folks watching at home that Mac said I am responsible for people thinking Floyd is civilian, and that Floyd and I are teammates, yet he won't pull the trigger on Floyd first.

Why should Floyd go first?

That's a bizarre question coming from you. You said I'm on a team with Floyd. Mac said I'm on a team with Floyd. I suspect Floyd. Yet you two seem okay lynching me even though I'm participating heavily and Floyd has 12 posts.

That doesn't look good for either of you.

This post is bullshit. Epi thinks his post count is good enough to necessitate Floyd's lynch over his own -- and even disparage other players who prioritized his lynch first. Floyd's post count is not important, nobody ever expects him to put up a ton of content. Epignosis is signifcantly more suspicious to me and the only reason I was entertaining Floyd as his team mate was Epi's arbitrary Day 1 crusade on him (nothing Floyd actually did himself). To lynch Floyd first within that mindset would be totally stupid, and Epignosis is capable of figuring that out without needing me to tell him.

MacDougall wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Moving to FZ

Don't want to lynch Doc

TBH I totally expected you to take your vote off Epignosis. You made him unlynchable and you've now gone to red and my argument has even more credibility. If you wanted to save Doc, you could have voted for Diiny. See you tomorrow scumboy.

I don't care where I stand in your rainbow. Epignosis was always unlynchable. Only two people supported that lynch at any juncture (you and I) and three votes were always needed. So yes, I moved my vote to someone else I thought stood a better chance of being lynched that I suspected nearly as much. To be continued in response to your next accusation.

Okay, I'm here.

FYI: I'm going to spend a little time doing my thing in here, as much as I have to spare at least. If any of you attempts to disturb my groove by talking at me, expect me to ignore you. If time permits when I'm finished, I may return to you then. The deadline is well after my bed time, and I have other things I have to get done this evening too.

I don't know if I am going to have the freedom I need to evade this lynch, so I suggest anyone among you who is fully content with it begin preparations for a 4v3 LyLo. Votes will be locked and tension will be high, so if you want to have any chance whatsoever then you need to start early.

I homestly feel bad that the mafia team in this game gets to enjoy this phantom version of me, but nothing can be done.

MacDougall wrote:I'm the other way. Jimmy is the scummiest player in the game and he hasn't even bothered answering to his sins. For a civilian Jimmy I find that incredibly hard to take. Civilian Jimmy would be supatowning on his phone trying to hunt the real scum in the toilet at this point imo.

lol

I told y'all I'm busy in the sign-up thread and that I'd be gone yesterday. I'm at work now so the wait continues. I'll be back this evening.

I'm not going to be here much/at all today. I'm about to leave to hang out with friends and later it'll be football time.

If your town and your vote is on me then congratulations, you're wrong. It happens, but you're going to need to consider alternative theories, because if you allow your ass to simmer on that vote and start basing your other analysis on my eventual mafia flip, you're wasting your time. I'm not asking you to change your mind on me right now, I'm asking you to remain conscious of the other side because I'm not seeing any of that at the moment.

*prolonged fart noise*

Good night y'all.

Epignosis wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I want to remind the folks watching at home that Mac said I am responsible for people thinking Floyd is civilian, and that Floyd and I are teammates, yet he won't pull the trigger on Floyd first.

Why should Floyd go first?

That's a bizarre question coming from you. You said I'm on a team with Floyd. Mac said I'm on a team with Floyd. I suspect Floyd. Yet you two seem okay lynching me even though I'm participating heavily and Floyd has 12 posts.

That doesn't look good for either of you.

You're full of shit. You're suspicious. Floyd isn't. The only thing working against him is his association with you.

Bullshit. You don't even believe the things you are saying.

I absolutely do.

Moving to FZ

Don't want to lynch Doc

Epignosis wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I want to remind the folks watching at home that Mac said I am responsible for people thinking Floyd is civilian, and that Floyd and I are teammates, yet he won't pull the trigger on Floyd first.

Why should Floyd go first?

That's a bizarre question coming from you. You said I'm on a team with Floyd. Mac said I'm on a team with Floyd. I suspect Floyd. Yet you two seem okay lynching me even though I'm participating heavily and Floyd has 12 posts.

That doesn't look good for either of you.

You're full of shit. You're suspicious. Floyd isn't. The only thing working against him is his association with you.

We need to agree on someone or Wilgy is dead.

Epignosis wrote:I want to remind the folks watching at home that Mac said I am responsible for people thinking Floyd is civilian, and that Floyd and I are teammates, yet he won't pull the trigger on Floyd first.

Why should Floyd go first?