The Syndicate

bea wrote:Omg. He does the WORST JJJ impersonation I've ever read.

I want to see this.

DH wanted to lynch me so bad but he just couldn't do it.

Thanks for the fun game, S~V~nip Head. I think it lived up to its champs game billing.

Well played and congrats winners.

Good try townies, don't sweat it. Shit happens.

Also I need a replacement for Arrested Development Mafia. It's a simple, relaxing little game and I'd love to have any of you join us.

245 away...

This guy.

DrWilgy wrote:12/10 would take the plunge again amirite JJJ?

Hopefully next time I'll have more time before EOD to come up with a better idea.

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DrWilgy wrote:by "we" I meant Nutella, Epi and I.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:We ain't at Lylo yet, nor do I think we are close. That's why.

Also, you are incorrect. A good example of why is actually LOST that just ended. Nutella was a civ player that rode to endgame while remaining an enigma. Alot of me wanted to lynch her over Zebra (who was also civ) because I could at least judge Zebra. Zebra could contribute and we could continue evolving. The thread died after Zebra died, but we got lucky and S~V~S solved the game. Had SVS not solved the game, I would've lynched Nutella and mafia would've won.

So, tell me again JJJ, what is the risk in lynching someone who's death will not impact the thread or the game this far in?
All of this is completely wrong. It's just ridiculous, I'm sorry. None of it is valid. It is all invalid. It's baloney. Balogna.

This mindset is terrible. We're probably not close to LyLo, I agree. That doesn't mean we have the freedom to lynch people willy-nilly or play around with bullcrap ties because we feel like it. That kind of behavior can hasten LyLo's arrival.

I agree that it sucks to have enigmatic lurking players in the game at LyLo, but that doesn't mean enigmatic lurking players should just be lynched by default for being enigmatic and lurky. Townies do that shit all the time. There has to be some kind of mindset playing into the move beyond alignment-neutral logic like that. The most suspicious player needs to be lynched in all scenarios.

I already answered this. You're wrong. The thread impact would be minimal, but the game impact would be significant if Tranq is town. That's why it's a risk. That's why I said "taking the plunge". FFS.
You act like there's a gray area between winning and losing. We can win before lylo, we can win at lylo, we can't win after lylo. Why not prep for the best possible win condition while we can? Lylo's arrival? why is that a bad thing? when the game can still be won? ESPECIALLY in an environment like this where we already have good leads.

It's true townies do that all the time, but what happens if you have no most suspicious JJJ?

Did you take a plunge when you voted for Sig, LoRab, or DH? It's looking to me like... You wanna have a bad time...

Say WHAT? I feel like you're pulling rebuttals out of a random word generator. Exactly what did I say that could be interpreted as "gray area between winning and losing"? Also, getting to LyLo is not inherently necessary, and it's better if it's avoided by winning before that point. This is self explanatory. Getting to LyLo means the came can be lost with one wrong move.

I don't understand this question. Do you mean what do I do if I have no better suspicions? I vote for Tranq, like I just did.

None of those players are remotely like Tranq in this game. What are you even talking about?

MacDougall wrote:You are making such a big colourful sperg about something so simple. You preempted a case on you. And your reaction to Wilgy is fascinatingly violent. THIS is your stake in the ground? I think Wilgy hit a nerve.

I don't know what you mean by "stake in the ground".

I did not preempt a case on me. If you've interpreted it that way then you've interpreted it incorrectly. If you really believe that I give a flying eff about how people might case me after the way this game has progressed, then you've paid no attention. I've been on the verge of being lynched three of the last four phases; I've already heard it all. Why the hell should I care about some stupid shit like "You flip-flopped on Tranq, JJJ! Wassup wit dat doe?"

I'm exhibiting emotion because it's immensely frustrating and exhausting to be having a conversation like this about "take the plunge". This is Day freaking 5.

DrWilgy wrote:We ain't at Lylo yet, nor do I think we are close. That's why.

Also, you are incorrect. A good example of why is actually LOST that just ended. Nutella was a civ player that rode to endgame while remaining an enigma. Alot of me wanted to lynch her over Zebra (who was also civ) because I could at least judge Zebra. Zebra could contribute and we could continue evolving. The thread died after Zebra died, but we got lucky and S~V~S solved the game. Had SVS not solved the game, I would've lynched Nutella and mafia would've won.

So, tell me again JJJ, what is the risk in lynching someone who's death will not impact the thread or the game this far in?

All of this is completely wrong. It's just ridiculous, I'm sorry. None of it is valid. It is all invalid. It's baloney. Balogna.

This mindset is terrible. We're probably not close to LyLo, I agree. That doesn't mean we have the freedom to lynch people willy-nilly or play around with bullcrap ties because we feel like it. That kind of behavior can hasten LyLo's arrival.

I agree that it sucks to have enigmatic lurking players in the game at LyLo, but that doesn't mean enigmatic lurking players should just be lynched by default for being enigmatic and lurky. Townies do that shit all the time. There has to be some kind of mindset playing into the move beyond alignment-neutral logic like that. The most suspicious player needs to be lynched in all scenarios.

I already answered this. You're wrong. The thread impact would be minimal, but the game impact would be significant if Tranq is town. That's why it's a risk. That's why I said "taking the plunge". FFS.

MacDougall wrote:I read the post in question similar to Wilgy tbh. It was jarringly out of step with the rest of your play. A nervy pointing out of something you perceived could be raised against you. And you are mixing him up to distract from a fairly valid point JJJ.

Everything could be raised against me. Everything has been raised against me. I'm not concerned with someone telling me I flipped on the Tranq lynch; I absolutely don't care. I just thought it was silly that I found myself in that position: Tranq as my vote on a [at the time] secondary wagon a day after having groaned about lynching him while people who'd called for that lynch before like yourself were on the MM wagon or elsewhere. I frankly could have put that post in green text, it wasn't meant to have any function in this game.

DrWilgy wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:Because there's no plunge to take, you're placing your vote. What is the "Plunge" JJJ? I mentioned you're uphill climb because this doesn't make sense as a plunge since you've dealt with suspicion all game. If this is a plunge, there's clearly some risk you are taking here.
You see Doc, what you're doing here is saying what I'm doing but not why it's suspicious. I called it "taking the plunge" because I haven't done the thorough analysis of Tranq's content that I often do for those I help to lynch. It can't be done with him, there's not enough there. I hope it works out. It is a risk I am taking, not just for me but for every civilian. Lynching a player like Tranq is inherently risky, that's why I grumbled about it yesterday (and it should be stated that I even said last day phase that I was underwhelmed by a Tranq lynch but not disgusted by it).
How so? Tranq is an enigma to most players, if he's not giving you a means to understand him why not get rid of him? Same could apply to me, Mac, MM, and all lurker/3rd party claimers. This is why you pluck wall-flowers. How is losing Tranq's civ contribution, any greater than other's? why is it enough to warrant a risk that would require a plunge?

No civilian lynch is ever good for the civilian faction. Ever. I don't care if it's a person who has been wrong on every read, or a person with zero posts, or a person who has bad B.O. permeating the thread -- the numbers game is crucial and any lost civilian brings the game one step closer to LyLo. So yes, lynching a player without the comfy cushion of a well-reasoned case is a risk, and I called it "taking the plunge".

Why is that suspicious?

motel room wrote:Jumping on tranq

Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why?

People who are pressed for time: I understand. It happens. So am I actually. But if you're going to drop a vote at the end of the phase, please at least offer a single dang sentence to explain it. Something. Anything. motel room if you're town then you've made yourself look bad needlessly regardless of Tranq's alignment. Why?

DrWilgy wrote:Because there's no plunge to take, you're placing your vote. What is the "Plunge" JJJ? I mentioned you're uphill climb because this doesn't make sense as a plunge since you've dealt with suspicion all game. If this is a plunge, there's clearly some risk you are taking here.

You see Doc, what you're doing here is saying what I'm doing but not why it's suspicious. I called it "taking the plunge" because I haven't done the thorough analysis of Tranq's content that I often do for those I help to lynch. It can't be done with him, there's not enough there. I hope it works out. It is a risk I am taking, not just for me but for every civilian. Lynching a player like Tranq is inherently risky, that's why I grumbled about it yesterday (and it should be stated that I even said last day phase that I was underwhelmed by a Tranq lynch but not disgusted by it).

DrWilgy wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I note that this Tranq lynch is not developing as easily as the Rico, sig, or llama lynches did. The close lynches (3.0. and 3.5) had a baddie in the big wagons.
BS, LoRab was a 4 way tie.

What? A 4-way tie is close. It's impossible to be closer than a tie.

DrWilgy wrote:Tranq has a 3 vote lead right now.

Nope.

DrWilgy wrote:Linki - You've been on a uphill climb all game, why just now are you ready to "take a plunge?"

Why does my uphill climb have any bearing on anything? I'm ready to lynch Tranq because I don't have a better option to offer right now. I've changed my tune on Dom and other suspects I've entertained aren't lynchable at the moment.

Ricochet wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I note that this Tranq lynch is not developing as easily as the Rico, sig, or llama lynches did. The close lynches (3.0. and 3.5) had a baddie in the big wagons.
Dunno. Looks like it's picking up steam to me.

A counterwagon has arrived and it's a familiar face.

DrWilgy wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Mafia is such a goofy game sometimes. Last time I was the one pooh-poohing a Tranq lynch and now I'm ready to take the plunge -- but the clamoring for his demise seems to have stalled.
JJJ, what is the purpose of stating this? do the cheers for Tranq's death affect you?
There is no purpose. It's just me making an observation with an incredulous look on my face.
What, it looks to me like you are predicting a case against you. "I know I'm flip floping, and now I'm suddenly unsure about a lynch because of others."

observation? no, you're just unsure because you don't want to be held accountable for this lynch.

JJJ, I've flip flop'd on you alot, but I think you are bad.

No, I don't think you really believe any of what you just said to me. That post I made was meaningless and that you've forced meaning into it like this is pretty much bunk. There's absolutely nothing there to indicate that I am predicting a case or shying away from responsibility. I literally said I'm ready to take the plunge. That's clear-cut.

Townies flip-flop a lot more than baddies do, so I don't care about that accusation.

I note that this Tranq lynch is not developing as easily as the Rico, sig, or llama lynches did. The close lynches (3.0. and 3.5) had a baddie in the big wagons.

DrWilgy wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Mafia is such a goofy game sometimes. Last time I was the one pooh-poohing a Tranq lynch and now I'm ready to take the plunge -- but the clamoring for his demise seems to have stalled.
JJJ, what is the purpose of stating this? do the cheers for Tranq's death affect you?

There is no purpose. It's just me making an observation with an incredulous look on my face.

I think MM would be a bad lynch and I recommend people move to Tranq. I think a few of them are locked in though due to time constraints, at least Dom and FZ.

Mafia is such a goofy game sometimes. Last time I was the one pooh-poohing a Tranq lynch and now I'm ready to take the plunge -- but the clamoring for his demise seems to have stalled.

If people are going to vote for MM, I want to hear exactly why they believe one of the following two things to be true (because they must):

1. MM's claim as a neutral-aligned player is a lie.

2. MM's claim as a neutral-aligned player is the truth, and he is still a threat to the civilian cause.

MacDougall wrote:
Dom wrote:JJJ, would you potentially vote MM to ensure I don't die?

MM, how is play similar?
This is an unusual question given that Jimmy was of the belief that either one of you or Llama were scum and Llama is confirmed to not be.

Jimmy did I miss the part where your opinion on that matter shifted so dramatically? It seemed to be the pivotal cog to your scum hunting wheel at one point?

I definitely still have reservations, but I started to doubt myself earlier in the phase. I'm not sure anyone else was keen on my one-or-the-other theory as much as just llama being suspicious by himself, and I am not sure Dom's behavior lately is what I'd have anticipated from him as a baddie. I'm very torn.

Dom wrote:JJJ, would you potentially vote MM to ensure I don't die?

Well that's the hardest question anyone has asked me all game.

I'm gonna need to think about that.

MacDougall wrote:
Dom wrote:
MacDougall wrote:I actually can't argue with who has votes on them right now tbh. I would happily see Tranq go the way of the dodo. Metalmarsh is now rogue claiming under duress and hasn't really contributed much civ play. Leave them tied and flip the damn coin. It'll fall scum I betcha.
Then vote for Tranq.

Mac, you have yet to state a reason for voting me other than you like ties, you haven't made a single serious contribution to the game in days-- this is not okay. If you are civ, voting for me is a horrific idea. For the love of God vote somewhere else.
On one hand your enthusiastic plea is giving me feels

On the other hand TIES

Dilemma

I hope you realize that you're going to spend your life trying to recapture the feeling of the 4-way tie, but always fall short. It was a magical moment, and magical moments come once in a lifetime. It's over. It's gone. Cherish the memory, place your sig picture in scrapbook, share the tale with your grandchildren in a few decades.

For now, maybe you could try showing these people why you've been regarded as one of the best Mafia players RYM has to offer, a second-ballot Hall of Famer, a historic nemesis of people like Madluke and MrMungbean and JaggedJimmyJay. I spread the lore before you arrived here, yanno. They asked me for the best players I've played with in the interrogation room. MacDougall was an obvious name to mention.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I think yesterday was headed for a Tranq lynch before a late large-scale move to llama, so perhaps he was saved. I really don't like "he was saved" logic, but I'll take what I can get with Tranq.
I think today was headed for a Jay lynch before he was saved wait this day ain't over.
I've been "saved" like 80 times, often spearheaded by confirmed town Golden and town read FZ. I ain't fussed.
I'm just pointing out that the logic you applied to lynch Tranq can be applied tenfold to you.

It can, yes. Like I said, it's not logic I care for. I'm trying to give myself something to get excited about when I consider a Tranq lynch. I have no clue about the guy.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I think yesterday was headed for a Tranq lynch before a late large-scale move to llama, so perhaps he was saved. I really don't like "he was saved" logic, but I'll take what I can get with Tranq.
I think today was headed for a Jay lynch before he was saved wait this day ain't over.

I've been "saved" like 80 times, often spearheaded by confirmed town Golden and town read FZ. I ain't fussed.

I think yesterday was headed for a Tranq lynch before a late large-scale move to llama, so perhaps he was saved. I really don't like "he was saved" logic, but I'll take what I can get with Tranq.

DrWilgy wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:Hi everyone!

Voted Dom... Haven't read since the last EOD though. No promises on whether or not I'll have time to read due to a shit ton of hw tonight
Explain your vote. Explain your vote. Explain your vote. Explain your vote. Explain your vote. Explain your vote.
Thought he was bad after I read through LoRab + the connections you stated about them.

Please at least state which interactions specifically you found suspicious and why.

DrWilgy wrote:Hi everyone!

Voted Dom... Haven't read since the last EOD though. No promises on whether or not I'll have time to read due to a shit ton of hw tonight

Explain your vote. Explain your vote. Explain your vote. Explain your vote. Explain your vote. Explain your vote.

Meh. Back to Tranq.

This is abysmal Mafia.

I struggle to believe a player with the skillset and pride of MacDougall would throw in the towel on a champions game unless he has a real reason.

MacDougall wrote:
Ricochet wrote:Hey guys, let's tieeee... Mac's hands and throw him in the basement. Every EoD from now on.
But ties are good for the soul. Good for you and me.

Let's include Mac in the tie. MacDougall

Day 5 ~ 2015 Game of Champions

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Recent games as Indy:
Star Wars
World Reborn
Biblical
Watchmen

Well you also cared more about these games than this one. I dunno who your sock was in Biblical though.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Sure. Here are my last few games as a baddie.
Pikmin
Dune
Gentleman's Guide to Love and Mafia
Angry Birds

I can at least agree that you seemed to care more in those games save maybe for Dune. That's just at a cursory look though.

I'm feeling a CFD, but I think Tranq is a better guy for that than Draconus. I honestly just haven't seen the case against Draconus. The case against Tranq is also rather weak, but it's impossible for that case to be any better without more content.

Tranq wrote:A bit odd to see JJJ back off his LoRab connection with either llama or Dom after llama's lynch. I'm voting Dom for now.

Were you down with the idea before (you being down with any idea is inherently significant) because it would have killed two people not on your team and made me look like the Servant Jester of Fuck Mountain?

Ricochet wrote:linki: Why lately? What's he done lately to warrant a behavioural analysis on its own?

If I trust my prior llama/Dom analysis, then I should be calling for his destruction right now, yes? I'm not. I doubt myself. I'm not sure he's behaving like a baddie. I'm just wondering what you think because your perspective is confirmed honest.

Nevermind him asking me questions though. He just responded to things.

Rico, what do you think of Dom's behavior lately? Speaking of Dom, he asked me questions. BRB.

Well this game just got weird.

I think everyone who has voted for MM bears some obligation to comment on his claim of being neutral, production of gun to head reads, and any other thoughts about his most recent content since becoming the lead wagon.

I'm given pause. His post history is neutral-compatible similarly to llama's and even Epi's in that they were both narrowly focused, detached from a number of large discussions, and less effortful than they usually are when civilian. I doubt there are three different killing independent roles in one game, which suggests to me it might not be the best idea to lynch MM. He'd need to flip straight up baddie for me to feel good about it.

Ricochet wrote:BTW, JJJ, don't you have a game to put in sign-ups?

I do indeed! Now to just figure out what in the bloody hell I'm doing...

Me in this game:

DharmaHelper wrote:Once again JJJ slips the noose it seems.

Not necessarily. I'm not even sure I'm going to finish with my vote on MM right now. Anyway, if I am not lynched who are your favorite alternative options?

Matt wrote:3J - Did Sorsha ever answer you (or did someone else question her on this?) about why she called you civ but then voted you today? Wow, I'm pretty sure that's what happened but I'm tired soooo, if I'm mistaken, ignore this.

She did.

Sorsha wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:EBWOP

Sorsha wrote:I'm looking at players other than jjj today I think. I was feeling better about him yesterday and I'd hate to lose him if he's a civ.

Sorsha wrote:Voting for jjj
What changed?
I keep going back and forth. LC made a good case, it can't be ignored imo. Im not super confident I my vote today though. I'm starting to suspect Dom and Matt so I could go with one of them possibly too.

It could be opportunism on her part. I find myself wondering whether it's typical of a baddie mindset to be so blatantly inconsistent though.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:I don't have any teammates. I'm just a lonely neutral who's long lost any chance of winning this game.
You don't have to die, yanno. If you're neutral then you should have no qualms about telling me some suspects. Let's hear 'em.
Well, there's this thing where I haven't bothered to look at anyone else because I've been lazy.

That's okay. I don't need thoroughly reasoned reads. Maybe you could copy/paste the living player list and do a quick GTH -- even if only based on your perspective of the content you've skimmed?

Matt wrote:Um, don't call my vote useless?

Tell me how that makes my vote useless.

I like LC this game, and I believe he's civvie, and though I think the case against you has merit, I feel like I've been witnessing 3J from TH all over again. Earlier on, I g2H you bad because you didn't really seem to give a fuck, which seemed incredibly unlike you. But then you explained Mafia fatigue, moving to another continent, etc etc. Later on in the game, you've been reminding me of TH 3J. Close to lynches, surviving, getting crazy with the ISO's, I just feel like it's civ 3J. My only other game I played with you was TH, so that's all I've got to go by, but my gut tells me you're good.

Separately, serious bullshitter, I am more invested in seeing MM dead then you, as I've been sussing him all game. I wouldn't call that "sparing your life", so please stop twisting.

Perhaps it isn't. I see your vote in isolation and I don't see much discussion happening about Sorsha, and that's the observation I render. However, I've looked at your posts and there is more recent focus on Sorsha than I'd thought. So that's neat. Do you think she bussed LoRab thoroughly from Day 1 onwards?

Your perspective of me is very understandable.

I've no intention to twist. Only to accuse and assess.

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