The Syndicate

[mention]nutella[/mention] do you have any updated thoughts to share? i am worried about where your vote is at the moment

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:41 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:41 am

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:38 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:24 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:07 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:05 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:04 am Wtf is going on

You tell us

I just got here dude. Why aren't we lynching Dunya, Sig, Quin or LC?

these two posts represent all of wilgy's thoughts on the situation. Total incredulousity and player salad.

The term "player salad" was made specifically for Wilgy. He was bad in whatever game that was, but do you think he'd not learn his lesson from that?

I didn't know this, thanks for the Mafia History lesson.

I feel like it was you who made it.

I say a lot of things, you can't expect me to know what they all are!

i thought it was a jay invention.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:40 am Wilgy and Jack had a troubling dialogue on Day 4

Wilgy and Jay* had a troubling dialogue on Day 3*. I need to get my facts straight.

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:38 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:24 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:07 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:05 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:04 am Wtf is going on

You tell us

I just got here dude. Why aren't we lynching Dunya, Sig, Quin or LC?

these two posts represent all of wilgy's thoughts on the situation. Total incredulousity and player salad.

The term "player salad" was made specifically for Wilgy. He was bad in whatever game that was, but do you think he'd not learn his lesson from that?

I didn't know this, thanks for the Mafia History lesson.

Wilgy and Jack had a troubling dialogue on Day 4 in which they bickered over little things without seeming to get anywhere meaningful:Around this time the suspicion against Jay was mounting. wilgy was present but not really a force in that. His only contributions to the thread after this exchange were to limply prod colonialbob and I vaguely for "general thoughts". I don't know that he did anything with the answers either of us gave him.

I could see arguments for against wilgy in this exchange. I've presented a more negative slant here, but that doesn't have to be the case. This could be similar to the conversations I got hung up on between Bob and Jay, where it turned out I was projecting Jay's badness onto Bob. But Jay and wilgy are talking here, and the exchanges seem very odd on both ends. Especially wilgy's "if I answered X..." post. That whole part of the exchange never made any sense to me.

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:26 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:10 am

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:07 am Frankly for someone who didn't know what the case on me was yesterday, it's a bit overconfident of him to say that

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2017 7:54 am Quin needs to go.

ddl has been very unforthcoming with his reads and for the most part he seems to be relying on "gut" first and foremost. This could be a tactic to hide. He feels very raw and authentic to me. I don't want to lynch him. I don't want to lynch you either.
Talk to me about Elohcin.

I would believe in DDL's outburst re: the Economics comparison more if it we didn't have a baddie 3J flip. I see no reason to think that faking an argument like that with a teammate is something DDL wouldn't do when bad.

Elohcin doesn't seem like a compatible bus candidate to me.

This is a thought I had as well, but he wasn't just faking the emotional outburst with a baddie partner. He was faking it for the whole thread. I don't think DDL does that if he's not being earnest. Plus, the rest of his tone in the game reads as "I don't care what you think of me, I just care about being honest." Similar to you, I think.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:07 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:05 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:04 am Wtf is going on

You tell us

I just got here dude. Why aren't we lynching Dunya, Sig, Quin or LC?

these two posts represent all of wilgy's thoughts on the situation. Total incredulousity and player salad.

Now, having said that, is there an argument for wilgy to be town that does not rely on him having that particular role?

I am 99% certain that wilgy is not K2.

wilgy has been one of dunya's most vocal opponents in the thread. On Night 4 K2 said this:

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 1:24 am

K2 wrote: Additionally, K2 thinks Jay's flip should clear Dunya and Epig from suspicion.

With Love,
K2

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:07 am Frankly for someone who didn't know what the case on me was yesterday, it's a bit overconfident of him to say that

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2017 7:54 am Quin needs to go.

ddl has been very unforthcoming with his reads and for the most part he seems to be relying on "gut" first and foremost. This could be a tactic to hide. He feels very raw and authentic to me. I don't want to lynch him. I don't want to lynch you either.
Talk to me about Elohcin.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:07 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:05 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:04 am Wtf is going on

You tell us

I just got here dude. Why aren't we lynching Dunya, Sig, Quin or LC?

Why should we do any of those things?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:04 am Wtf is going on

You tell us

K2 has been too focused to be Wilgy

Even if we think wilgy is K2, I'd prefer to lynch elohcin over Quin today.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:49 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:48 am

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:47 am do you guys really think K2 would never bring up their own name?? come on. of course he would try to blend his own identity into other suspects, and especially since he's only tagged on because he's part of the group of cbob's suspects (plus K2 has mentioned the others before and not wilgy). so yeah, wilgy as K2 is what I was seeing, and I believe probably what dunya was seeing. I didn't want to say it because he asked us specifically not to and because in general I have been trying not to explicitly name roles for people

I have another candidate in mind for K2.

well, I thought I had a different one for a while too, but I feel like I see more evidence for this one. could be wrong though.

without naming The Other Candidate, who may or may not be the same as mine, would you care to lay out the evidence you have for wilgy?

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:47 am do you guys really think K2 would never bring up their own name?? come on. of course he would try to blend his own identity into other suspects, and especially since he's only tagged on because he's part of the group of cbob's suspects (plus K2 has mentioned the others before and not wilgy). so yeah, wilgy as K2 is what I was seeing, and I believe probably what dunya was seeing. I didn't want to say it because he asked us specifically not to and because in general I have been trying not to explicitly name roles for people

I have another candidate in mind for K2.

hopped back over to the doctor.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:40 am K2 speculation on our suspects is fine, but do we really need to do mafia's work for them in narrowing down between people like Sloonei and Dunya?

linki: I know, LC. I want Wilgy, but nobody is buying what I'm smelling

what is the exact nature of your wilgy pitch? I've narrowed my vote down to him and eloh.

[mention]nutella[/mention] talk to me about wilgy!

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 2:42 am

K2 wrote:Just kidding, K2 cares. K2 cares a lot.

cBob's loss was unfortunate, but there's a silver lining in the fact that we now know he was Elbrus. Now, some of his posts can be viewed in a different light.

cBob must have known he was going to die sooner than later. I'd bet real money that he'd spent his role check powers at some point before his death. In particular I think it would be a good idea to view Quin, DDL, and Doctor Wilgy with extra scrutiny, for now as they were his last three named suspects before his lynch. All three seem like they might have been likely candidates for a role check.

K2 has a very strong gut feeling that DDL is mafia. If DDL isn't mafia K2 will eat K2's own 8,611m tall hat. Please trust K2's gut.

I've been watching him all game and I'm about 90% sure LC is mafia. You can take that to the bank and smoke it.

Keep doing your best, Big Mountains. If you all believe in yourselves as much as I believe in you then there's no way we can lose! <3

Love,
K2

P.S. If all else fails we can just, you know, lynch Sig.

If Wilgy is K2 then he incriminated himself last night. I've deemed this to be Highly Unlikely.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:16 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:12 am I feel like every time I look at the poll late in the day speedchuck is following me with his vote.

Hey, I voted Wilgy first. Earlier today.

lies

[mention]nutella[/mention] what are your thoughts on wilgy and elohcin?

i switched to elohcin.

I feel like every time I look at the poll late in the day speedchuck is following me with his vote.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:01 am Uuuuuguuughhh I don't know what to dooooooo

welcome to the club. Let's figure this out together. who's on your shortlist?

dunya
nutella
Kyle
Quin
DDL
sig
niju
speedchuck
Elohcin
Long Con
DrWilgy

I could go for any of the bottom 4, conceivably. Working on figuring out my preferred target.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:32 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:29 pm Somebody asked about experience being partnered with scumjay. It's happened to me once, for one day in Street Fighter. I received heavy scrutiny from him on that day:
link

can you provide more context? i'm probably not going to click that link

These are all posts he made on Day 1 of that game. we were teammates and I faced very little sustained pressure outside of his posts until later in the game:

Elohcin wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:30 pm Oh wait...thats right. JJJ had a case against wilgy, I forgot about that. So he probably isn't scum.

nope.

Somebody asked about experience being partnered with scumjay. It's happened to me once, for one day in Street Fighter. I received heavy scrutiny from him on that day:
link

switched to drwilgy

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:10 pm Jay's case building against Eloh happened a little earlier than it did with Wilgy. His case against her really started up on day 3. His was Day 4.

What day would JaggedJimmyJay have started preparing to be lynched, would he have done so from the start?

He would have been conscious of the trail he'd leave behind from the start of the game, but I don't think he was "preparing to be lynched" until after Day 3. I think it's certainly possible that he'd actively bus a partner or two without a visible need to do so.

If wilgy is bad it means that Jay opted to bus him pretty hard. He would have been making a direct effort to put serious distance between himself and a teammate. If he employs this strategy with one teammate, he may have employed it with another.
If wilgy is scum, I have no reason to town read Elohcin.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 7:20 pm Did more thinking about Sloonei's reason for civ questions. I don't have the time to list em out or explain right now, but the ones I had the hardest time validating as civs were (and in this order) Niju-sig, Dunya, Long Con, Quin. With everyone else, I can see them in a civ light easier.

I missed wilgy's results. Including him our tally looks like this:

niju - 5
DrWilgy - 4
Long Con - 4
Elohcin - 3
Quin - 3
Kylemii - 2
Sig - 2
Speedchuck - 2
dunya - 1

That makes dunya our only player to earn a single nod in this exercise, and bumps ninjablooper up into the lead because she's a coin flip.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 10:42 pm @Sloonei did operation trust fall do anything to inform your decision on who to vote for in todays lynch?

Operation Trust Fall could have benefited from higher participation rates, but I've just posted my findings and they await follow up discussion.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:29 pm For me the players I struggled with/were least convinced by are: Long Con, nijuukyugou, wilgy, and speedchuck.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:32 pm My answer to Sloonei's exercise.

DrWilgy
Elohcin
nijuukyugou
Long Con
sig

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:43 pm @Sloonei

Spoiler: show

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 3:54 pm focusing only on things that I've seen as civ indicators from memory

Dragon D. Luffy - pretty rough aggro between him and Jay early on, aggro seems genuine, would be a buck wild strategy if w/w

DrWilgy - hmmmm.... he seems relaxed. Jay also did go after him quite a bit early on.

dunya - has put a huge amount of effort into this game, and if whoeverthefuck said it is to be believe then this is probably civ dunya

Elohcin - Jay went after her in a way which seemed too strong for distancing.

Kylemii - role card

Long Con - hmm.... at the time it was happening, back on day 1 when he was going after Epignosis I felt like the passion in his pursuit felt genuine

nijuukyugou - has contributing a lot lately compared to previous slot holders. technically speaking she has infinitely increased her player slots number of posts

nutella - mechanically likely to be a specific civ role, if she wasn't she would have drawn attention by now but the real owner of that role

Quin - at times has seemed genuine and reasonable

sig - ehh.... none. well... Jay went after sig early on in a way which might have been sowing seeds or distancing, there's a nonzero possibility that it's the former.

Sloonei - mechanics.... I think? but also good vibes. has been working hard

speedchuck - there was an early clash between speed and Jay that I think was slightly too strong to be distancing

Sig, Quin, LC, nijuukyugou were probably the hardest

Dr Wilgy DDL and Elohcin were 3 players I had to look back on because I didn't have a strong conceptualization of their gameplay in this game in mind, after looking back at their posts and Jay's posts again i'm leaning more town for them than I was before. For DDL and Elohcin especially.

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 6:14 pm following sloonei's question:

I found it hardest to write about (in this order)
Eloh
speed
Quin :/
nijuu - because obviously
Kyle

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 8:06 pm Oh I like this.

I guess that would be Wilgy. And Eloh. Kyle too.

Quin's one reminded me that he does sound legit in spite of everything.

Players named as having the least convincing townie arguments:

DrWilgy - 4
niju - 4
Elohcin - 3
Long Con - 3
Kylemii - 2
Quin - 2
Sig - 2
Speedchuck - 2

Niju is the obvious tough one because her spot in the game has been totally absent prior to her arrival today. Wilgy is the player for whom this small sample of players had the toughest team arguing in favor of. However, the one person who did not name him (dunya) is arguing vigorously in his favor. Elohcin and Long Con represent the middle tier, with 3/5 each. Kyle, Quin, Sig, and Speedchuck all received 2 mentions apiece. There's no one that was named by all 5 of us, nor was anyone named just once.

I could stand to ISO wilgy. He's been hanging out under the radar for most of the game. I would prefer to give blooper a chance to make her own name in this game rather than lynching her right away.
I have been voting for Long Con since the start of the day and nothing's swayed me to move off yet, though DDL voiced strong support of him.
I think Eloh is town based on the way Jay treated her. I have noted that both her and wilgy (along with nutella) have all taken stances (to varying degrees) against me in the last ~24 hours and I'm not sure what to make of this just yet. Eloh at least has appeared to have a fluctuating suspicion against me since Day 1, but she completely rejected this very exercise from the moment I brought it up for no discernible reason.

I'd be open to arguments against the four in the bottom tier. I still feel like this is town Quin, and the arguments for and against Sig have been made at this point. Kyle and Speedchuck haven't had much of a consensus around them at any point in this game.

The players I find myself most likely to vote for today are Long Con, speedchuck, or wilgy.

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:21 pm I'll start reading speed's iso and taking notes till Sloonei gets back to me. I certainly won't finish it today.

what am i getting back to you on?

Elohcin wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 10:16 pm Wow, I was gone a few hours and there hasn't been much talk. I said this already. I think we need to go back to where we were before all the CFD (I think that's what you would call what has happened in just about all, if not all our lynches). Its like we have our mind made up and and then it gets changed at the end. I'm up for voting sig, kyle, or quin. I think those were the ones who had cases against them which were forgotten in the CFDs. But most of all, I'm up for sloonei. I think he took us down a rabbit trail today and wasted our time as I thought would happen. I cannot stay up late. I will be voting within the next hour.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 1:25 pm Reasons I can read everyone as town:

Dragon D. Luffy - I have "mind-melded" with DDL on a couple of occasions, and he made one defensive post early on which read as highly emotional and passionate, the kind of thing I don't see being faked.
DrWilgy - Jay went after him hard.
dunya - Believable-as-heck tone, has put as much work as anyone into the thread despite numerous RL reasons not to.
Elohcin - She was Jay's top lynch priority on Day 3 when prompted to name any suspect at all. This would have to be a very aggressive bussing strategy for them to be teammates. This is also among the most involved games I've seen Elohcin play.
nijuukyugou - Finally a post from this player slot! Insertglorfblooper is town because there's no way two players fail to pick up a scum role card, right?
Kylemii - Believable tone. Has put a high volume of content into the thread without ever appearing seriously uncomfortable.
Long Con - He's a fearless scumster, but appears less involved than usual this game.
nutella - Possibly Everest. Helped kickstart the Jay bandwagon on Day 3.
Quin - I believe his tone, he aggressively defended Jay, and Jay may have been making a concerted effort to pocket Quin.
sig - Jay tried to lynch him.
Sloonei - Role card says so.
speedchuck - Similar to Long Con, though I have at times also felt like Speedchuck has presented some sincere thoughts and doubts in the thread.

I'm heading out for a few hours and I'd like for this exercise to actually lead somewhere today, so I'll explain myself and ask The Question now and hope that it helps in some area.

The purpose of this exercise is to get us all thinking about the possibility that each player is town, because that is a possibility obviously. After going through and making the list, my question for all the kind folks who participation is this: which pro-town arguments were the hardest for you to come up with, or which arguments did you find least convincing?

For me the players I struggled with/were least convinced by are: Long Con, nijuukyugou, wilgy, and speedchuck. Those are the players I'd be inclined to follow up on as a result of this for myself. But the point of gathering as many folks as possible is so that we can all compare our answers. So I'd like a response to this from everybody who participated. [mention]dunya[/mention] [mention]DrWilgy[/mention] [mention]speedchuck[/mention] [mention]Kylemii[/mention]

I'd still be happy if more people wanted to take a crack at this and I appreciate those of you who have gone through with this at my incessant begging. Thanks.

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:05 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 4:59 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 4:58 pm maybe I've been way off this game. I really don't have suspects beyond those 3. I could be swayed on Quin or Kyle. Wilgy I've ruled out. DDL....seems too all over the place to be scum.

why are you so confident in LC?

also are you able to finish your list of town reads?

I did, I did everyone.

oh. i must have missed a section.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:00 pm i think Sloonei's excercise is valuable.

everyone has at least one player they think is civ because of vibes or displayed effort or whatever.

As our numbers dwindle I think it's important to review why we think these things

also, as we have fewer and fewer living players narrowing down who probably isn't bad to figure out who is becomes a more and more valid strategy

I have a follow up question which I'm not asking until more people have done it as well.

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 4:58 pm maybe I've been way off this game. I really don't have suspects beyond those 3. I could be swayed on Quin or Kyle. Wilgy I've ruled out. DDL....seems too all over the place to be scum.

why are you so confident in LC?

also are you able to finish your list of town reads?

I'm incapable of posting with this much intensity and volume if I'm anything less than 100% honest and sincere. I'm simply not a good enough liar to do what I have done in this game. You can call wifom on that if you want. But I'm not an exceptional scum player, and my history (or lack thereof) really should bear that out. Street Fighter is the only game I've ever played on the Syndicate in which I lasted past Day 1 as scum.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 4:47 pm Tbh the more I think about it, unless I'm misremembering something, there's actually no reason at all to clear Sloonei based on the day 2 no-lynch. On the poll, it was 5-5 Jack-Sloonei. In real count, unless Sutter Buttes was in play, it was 6-5 Jack-Sloonei. If SB was hiding Sloonei it would be 6-4, but Jack was already in the lead so it's irrelevant. I think Jack was Aconcagua and survived the lynch (using up his "first attempt on his life" so he was then vulnerable to the night kill). Sloonei's role doesn't enter into it at all if that was the case.

I do think I'd be more likely to get a check from Bob than most other players. I just refuted the notion that he had a read on me at a specific point, because I went from being his top suspect on Day 2, to a townread during Night 2. But I must have had his attention and if he had a check available, it seems reasonable to consider that I could have been a person he'd want to investigate.
I haven't given much thought to how he would have used his role. That sort of thing is not my forte.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 4:41 pm Man I woke up this morning thinking "hmm..... actually.... Sloonei is totally bad and has been playing us and I'm totally gonna vote for him" but apparently you guys think there's decent hints that cbob cop-checked him. Meh. Idk if I'm totally sold on that, but I'm also kinda tinfoiling hard rn and occam's razor is that Sloonei is town as town can be. Kyle is probably my next likely vote, but I haven't really figured out why I'm leaning that way either. Mostly I just feel way more lost as to who could be bad after the cbob flip than I have been for most of the game and I'm reconsidering some possibilities.

Sloonei, I don't really feel like doing your exercise and I honestly don't see how it's helpful. I don't think it's a helpful way of thinking about players or trying to solve the game. I'll just convince myself that everyone has some reason to be good and I'll never find scum that way. I'm not sure what you're getting out of this exercise but IMO people's answers so far have been total fluff and devoid of constructive gameplay. Maybe I'm wrong and maybe you're figuring out which players show a pattern of weakest/least reason to look civ, but I personally don't view this little game you set up as a particularly town way of solving the game. If anything it feels eerily similar to Jay urging everyone to do the GTHs, and he was bad.

What's your reasoning for looking at why people look town and figuring out which of those are weakest, instead of the other way around, looking at reasons everyone could look bad and seeing which are strongest?

I'm not asking anyone to adopt the mindset that everybody is town. I'm just asking people to rack their brains for a reason why everybody could be town. After you make the list, you can throw those reads out the window.

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 4:36 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:35 am

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:35 am

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:34 am come on LC (or kyle or quin or wilgy) join usss

I don't know the 3J case. I would rather CFD Eloh if my vote is to move.

Elohcin

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:40 am Back to Mesk

I can see this whole bullshit case as distancing from Eloh. He voted for her and jumped to Mesk like 5 mins later. I don't think he was actively trying to get Eloh lynched. I read that segment and everyone apart from Quin was opposed. He was pushing it for the sake of pushing it. Jay is a great bullshitter, he didn't even try that hard.

That's how I see how that went down anyway.

Also, the whole Eloh episode should clear Quin even more imo.

In the moment it felt like he was pushing it to get her lynched. He made a big ISO case against her, and when I called on him to name one suspect above all others to push a lynch against, he named Elohcin and pushed her lynch. Mesk came up and gained more traction.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 4:24 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 4:20 pm @Dragon D. Luffy, care to give us a list of reasons to read everyone as town?

Yes, but give me a few hours.

is there any way we can expedite that? they don't need to be thorough reads. 1-2 sentences is all I need.

[mention]Dragon D. Luffy[/mention], care to give us a list of reasons to read everyone as town?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 3:14 pm slooeni you're at exactly 666 posts that's the DEVILS number

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 2:28 pm Dragon D. Luffy -
Civ due to tone and reasoning. I've meta read him as civ the entire game.
Bad due to voting record. DDL had voted for Jack day 2, Bob day 3 (when J3 was a heavily discussed option), If my memory serves was a lead pusher of the Malakim wagon.

DrWilgy -
Civ due to his overall attractiveness.
Bad due to... his overall attractiveness?

dunya -
Civ due to being very vocal. I did not recall seeing anything I directly was opposed to in the moment other than their suspicion on me.
Bad due to interactions with J3.

Elohcin -
Civ due to interactions with J3. While not a negative voting record I so far have had no harsh qualms with the results of her votes.
Bad due to interactions with me that I noticed earlier in the game. Eloh was playing catch up (like someone else who I won't mention) and had called me scummy for a single sentence regarding daisy. It stuck with me and still does.

And I only got through 3 before I have to leave. Sorry Sloonbot, I'll try to finish the rest later. I did find that I putting reason behind Dunya being civ was much harder than the other two, and very much forced. I don't know if this is due to a lack of knowledge or not. I should reflect on this.

I appreciate that you're able to give both reads for these folks and it's certainly good to have them, but for the purposes of the exercise I'm proposing I only need town reads right now.