The Syndicate

ChopChop wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:29 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:26 pm
ChopChop wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:23 pm Ok, look at the way he started tunneling me Day 1.
What do you think about it?
Again, nothing too unusual. It is not town-indicative, but I would not call it a reason for suspicion either.

How is his "tunneling" any different from yours?
Because unlike them I have a more valid reason to start it.

ChopChop wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:29 pm And it isn’t fake.

ChopChop wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:26 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:23 pm
ChopChop wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:22 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:20 pm
ChopChop wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:19 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:18 pm
ChopChop wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:16 pm

I didn’t even drive the wagon.
I’m just voting the guy who is TRing the Obv Wolf Tony.
Rather than doing that, you could try to convince some of us that Tony is a wolf.
Don’t you believe it to be at least somewhat odd he claims he be tunnelling me but didn’t have is vote on me till I called him on it?
Nope.
So you think that’s a normal reaction?
I do not think it's unusual or indicative of an alignment. Votes do not matter until the end of the day.
Well I mean their vote on me was for the entire day soooo.

I do not understand what you are saying.

ChopChop wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:23 pm Ok, look at the way he started tunneling me Day 1.
What do you think about it?

Again, nothing too unusual. It is not town-indicative, but I would not call it a reason for suspicion either.

How is his "tunneling" any different from yours?

ChopChop wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:22 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:20 pm
ChopChop wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:19 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:18 pm
ChopChop wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:16 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:14 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:13 pm Does anyone else think some or most of the pressure on me has been mafia-driven?
I'm voting the person who's voting you.

So yes.
I didn’t even drive the wagon.
I’m just voting the guy who is TRing the Obv Wolf Tony.
Rather than doing that, you could try to convince some of us that Tony is a wolf.
Don’t you believe it to be at least somewhat odd he claims he be tunnelling me but didn’t have is vote on me till I called him on it?
Nope.
So you think that’s a normal reaction?

I do not think it's unusual or indicative of an alignment. Votes do not matter until the end of the day.

Grogu wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:19 pm
ChopChop wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:15 pm Not to mention I can legit resolve the situation regarding Falcon/Alison tonight.
Trying to prevent that seems like scum trying to protect the potential lost wolf.
I want to believe this. I’ll vote the other guy and wait for tomorrow. Good luck chop

This is the role Chop claims to have:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 12:28 am Luke

You command the Brotherhood outpost located at the NCR capital city. You're regarded with some suspicion by the locals who don't understand the importance of the Brotherhood mission.

You're a 2-shot messenger. One of your chief duties is to keep the Brotherhood command to the south appraised of NCR social and technological development. Twice during the game during any separate night phases, you may craft a personal message to be sent to a player you select through the host. The message can be anything.

Separately, you are a 1-shot faction spy. You keep a close eye on the NCR Rangers and their conflict with the Slavers to aid in your own mission. Once during the game during any night phase, you may select a player. You will be told whether or not that player has ever targeted the Slaver during any previous night phase.

His alleged plan to resolve Alison, if he's telling the truth, was to use the "faction spy" shot on Falcon. Falcon is now dead. Presumably this means Chop cannot use that shot anymore. This will change if that ability is able to target dead players, but that feels unprecedented in very un-JJJ.

ChopChop wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:19 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:18 pm
ChopChop wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:16 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:14 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:13 pm Does anyone else think some or most of the pressure on me has been mafia-driven?
I'm voting the person who's voting you.

So yes.
I didn’t even drive the wagon.
I’m just voting the guy who is TRing the Obv Wolf Tony.
Rather than doing that, you could try to convince some of us that Tony is a wolf.
Don’t you believe it to be at least somewhat odd he claims he be tunnelling me but didn’t have is vote on me till I called him on it?

Nope.

ChopChop wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:19 pm That’s correct, you’ve never been my centre of attention.
That’s been Tony’s job half this game for some reason.

Mind sharing this part with us?

@Grogu move your vote please.

ChopChop wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:16 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:14 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:13 pm Does anyone else think some or most of the pressure on me has been mafia-driven?
I'm voting the person who's voting you.

So yes.
I didn’t even drive the wagon.
I’m just voting the guy who is TRing the Obv Wolf Tony.

Rather than doing that, you could try to convince some of us that Tony is a wolf.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:14 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:13 pm Does anyone else think some or most of the pressure on me has been mafia-driven?
I'm voting the person who's voting you.

So yes.

I don't consider Chop to be a driving force behind the pressure on me. He put a vote on me but has said approximately 0 words about me all game.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 12:28 am Luke

You command the Brotherhood outpost located at the NCR capital city. You're regarded with some suspicion by the locals who don't understand the importance of the Brotherhood mission.

You're a 2-shot messenger. One of your chief duties is to keep the Brotherhood command to the south appraised of NCR social and technological development. Twice during the game during any separate night phases, you may craft a personal message to be sent to a player you select through the host. The message can be anything.

Separately, you are a 1-shot faction spy. You keep a close eye on the NCR Rangers and their conflict with the Slavers to aid in your own mission. Once during the game during any night phase, you may select a player. You will be told whether or not that player has ever targeted the Slaver during any previous night phase.

I do not nee how Chop could use this role to determine Alison's alignment. I assume he cannot target dead players.

Does anyone else think some or most of the pressure on me has been mafia-driven?

Grogu wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:04 pm What should I do now?

Flip a coin and vote for either rej or chopchop

VT = Vermont = Bernie Sanders

He's almost caught back up to the present. The nightmare is coming to an end.

Grogu wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 2:50 pm
Urist wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 1:46 pm it's very possible that falcon is this role:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 12:28 am Frank Horrigan (guaranteed to appear)

You're a freakish cybernetic mutated monster man, or something like a man, serving at the head of the United States Secret Service. In addition to providing protection for the President, you're tasked with handling certain critical matters on the mainland where pure, unmutated humans should not venture. You're a terrifying motherfucker, and you don't let anyone meet you without understanding that keenly. Semper Fi.

You are the antagonist. You have been primed and constructed to perform a variety of the Enclaves most important and demanding tasks.
You are a 1-shot vigilante. Once during the game during any night phase, you may select a player. That player will be killed. This is separate from the Enclave factional kill.
You are a 2-shot role cop. Twice during the game during any separate night phases, you may select a player. You will be told that player's role.
You are a 1-shot janitor. Once during the game you may elect to janitor your team's factional kill. The killed player's role will not be revealed publicly, but your team will be informed of it privately.
You are a 1-shot doctor. Once during the game during any night phase, you may select a player. That player will be protected from any fatal actions that night.
in which case it is 100% in our interest to eliminate him today. that is a nasty-ass role.
That could explain. So he is a cop but is scum cop.

GROGU CAN YOU HEAR US!?

I am mostly ignoring colors. Enclave and Vault City = Mafia Factions
Slaver and Jagged Jimmy J (RIP) = Independents
Everyone else = Town

Grogu wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 2:46 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 1:31 pm
KZA wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 1:27 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 1:26 pm
KZA wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 1:24 pm Falcon just refusing to be transparent and dodging probably makes him Maf lol
I'm not.

Do I have any history of making false claims or plays that even remotely resemble this as Maf, or Town for that matter?
Well you're no Lucky in that department

You don't have much reason not to hardclaim at this point since you've given enough info to whittle down the potential roles if you are town
All hostile factions were given reliable fake characters to claim. If I was Maf, I'd just use my provided fake character to claim.
Ok let’s vote falcon. He keeps saying this but his claim wouldn’t match up with his actions. This is why he is caught.
Good game falcon. You fk up and you die now.
Vote falcon. He’s scum

tutuu's not here to administer pats, so i'll do it for her.
*patpat*

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 2:38 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 2:35 pm what is the rej wagon about? I didn't find any context clues in his iso, just seems detached and low effort
Bingo

And also Esooa treated him how she’d allegedly treat a teammate.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 2:35 pm what is the rej wagon about? I didn't find any context clues in his iso, just seems detached and low effort

Bingo

Urist wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 2:22 pm
KZA wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 2:21 pm yeah I'm gonna stop tinfoiling ChopChop as town for that Sloonei vote, didn't even notice that

him or Rej w/e someone shoot the other tonight
enclave have doctors and commuters and such. nobody should be attempting to vig the obvious

Rej is vault city.

Actually we do know that Jagged Jimmy J wanted New Reno (Alison’s faction if she’s telling the truth) dead, but does not care at all about the Slaver (Alison’s faction if falcon was telling the truth). So I’m gonna believe Alison for now.

Note that we have no idea what falcon’s flip actually means for alison, so that’s cool.

[VOTE: chopchop] aubergine I don’t care which of him or rej goes. Either one is fine. Rej currently has more votes, so this is just my way of evening them out.

But also you have a chance to catch up to me because I’m about ready to put this game on mute.

Vote falcon unless he tells us what his role is. If it makes sense and he’s town, vote rej or chop. Idc which.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 2:03 pm Why does Sloonei have twice as many posts as me? I thought I was about equal to him.

I unlocked an achievement where all my posts are worth double.

While we’re here, can all 4 of the people who are currently wasting their votes on me stop doing that?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 1:56 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 1:51 pm This day phase can’t proceed past its current point without a full claim from falcon.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 1:51 pm This day phase can’t proceed past its current point without a full claim from falcon.

This day phase can’t proceed past its current point without a full claim from falcon.

[VOTE: falcon45ca] aubergine

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 4:30 am So I wasn't around, nor have I properly caught up on what happened at EoD yesterday. I know someone mentioned there was a red peek on Rej from Mac? What's the story there? Why didn't he get chopped?

I'm going to toss my vote there for now just to be sure I don't miss another vote. I'll try and play tomorrow, at the very least I can play at lunchtime. I'll reevaluate then.

[VOTE: Rej] aubergine

I do not know where you got this, bur your vote is in the right place.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 11:14 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 11:11 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 11:09 am
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 11:00 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 10:55 am Day vig Chop IMO
I can't, I've already used my shot. The only other role who can dayvig is Metzger, and since that's a hostile 3P I doubt they'll be kind enough to clear our POE for us lol.
Cool, so Alison is prolly Metzger
elaborate
There's only one Slaver role guaranteed, and Alison is assuming that it's Metzger. It's TMI, I'd bet good caps that's her role.

I do not read this as falcon indicating he has information on alison. I read it as him misunderstanding the context of what Alison was saying and then running with it.

I am not seeing it, but if you can spell it out i’ll read it.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:47 am oh ok wait I'm seeing something come together here

Go on

Grogu wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:39 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:36 am
Grogu wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:35 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 2:18 am Are we at least all in agreement that rej is mafia?
Idk, are they? What you have?
I have nothing of my own on Rej. Other people caught him and I just think they're right.
Ok. Examples?

i'm much too lazy to do that right now. they're kinda peppered throughout the thread.

Grogu wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:35 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 2:18 am Are we at least all in agreement that rej is mafia?
Idk, are they? What you have?

I have nothing of my own on Rej. Other people caught him and I just think they're right.

Grogu wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:22 am Sloone also super scummy so far, I was expecting him to be running this game if he was town from what I heard. Looks like a scum rand

Yeah you know what I'm pretty disappointed to because usually I just need to look at people and if they're wolves they get so scared they just start bawling and confess their sins to me, but the dirty groveling peasants haven't done that yet so I guess the game is just broken or something.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 2:18 am Are we at least all in agreement that rej is mafia?

Actually, on this note: if Rej is bad, he’s Vault City. Enclave is presumably the bigger team, possibly the bigger threat to the collective town factions. If in an ideal world we could choose between eliminating either an Enclave player or a Vault City player, I would prefer to target the Enclave. Chop is presumably Enclave if he is bad.

But also we are not in an ideal world, and if I am voting purely based on who I think is more likely to flip mafia, I am choosing Rej. I still feel like Chop is a slot we can’t not resolve with everything that’s gone on today, but rej’s absence also feels like a caught mafioso who’s just trying not to give is anything to work with.

Are we at least all in agreement that rej is mafia?

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 2:12 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 2:09 am Y’know when Marmot was playing ketchup earlier and I did my little fib at him, he was supposedly scum reading me, but he never paused for a moment to question it when I said daisy was scum and chop was town. He just proceeded as if my word was gospel, but also accused me based on what he perceived to be my defense of Chop. But at the same time, he seemed to be trying to justify a town-read on Chop.
I did?

If I recall, I never actually believed that Spacedaisy was scum, I was questioning why your words to me and actions were not in sync.

I was more interested in your handling of Chop there. That’s the part you didn’t question. You used it as ammunition against me, but it kind of felt like you accepted that Chop was town for your own read, but wanted to accuse me for defending him at the same time.

ChopChop wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 2:07 am I say the Tone Tony is given is the wolfy one.

What do you think of Marmot?

Y’know when Marmot was playing ketchup earlier and I did my little fib at him, he was supposedly scum reading me, but he never paused for a moment to question it when I said daisy was scum and chop was town. He just proceeded as if my word was gospel, but also accused me based on what he perceived to be my defense of Chop. But at the same time, he seemed to be trying to justify a town-read on Chop.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 2:03 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 1:59 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:47 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:45 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:44 pm Still reading. Spacedaisy looks fine to me thus far.
Why? What do you think of Chop?
Spacedaisy's original conclusion looked fine to me.

I realize the only incriminating thing against ChopChop is that he presumably sent Daisy a message that talked about a bunch of players except Esooa. But yes, him claiming he sent the message is either a good look, or a reeeeeeeeally guilty conscience. The former is probably likely I suppose.
He also gave us this stance.
don't htink this counts as a specifc stance. too many adverbs

Yes, I thought about putting that in quotes.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:47 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:45 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:44 pm Still reading. Spacedaisy looks fine to me thus far.
Why? What do you think of Chop?
Spacedaisy's original conclusion looked fine to me.

I realize the only incriminating thing against ChopChop is that he presumably sent Daisy a message that talked about a bunch of players except Esooa. But yes, him claiming he sent the message is either a good look, or a reeeeeeeeally guilty conscience. The former is probably likely I suppose.

He also gave us this stance.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 1:55 am marmot has 185 posts in this game but i cant remember any specific stances from him

Sloonei is mafia town mafia.

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 1:50 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 1:30 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 1:29 am I'm not in the mood to be tested, and I'm not really too concerned about your confidence in your read on me. As long as you're not getting me yeeted.
Not today, at least.

Yeah well, you seem to be in more danger of this than I am, sorry bout that

I am in no danger.

See, you forgot to close the tag.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 1:42 am[VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

[VOTE:

Kyle this is incorrect.] aubergine

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 1:29 am I'm not in the mood to be tested, and I'm not really too concerned about your confidence in your read on me. As long as you're not getting me yeeted.

Not today, at least.

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