The Syndicate

Starting the day with a vote on kyle.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jan 12, 2018 5:33 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 12, 2018 5:22 pm there's emotion in his dialogue with Jack that I don't think would be there if he was bad

This is why I [try to] kill Sloonei and MP when I'm bad. They know how I work.

Coward!

The last time I was scum opposite you I took you out night 1, but whatever.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jan 12, 2018 5:18 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 12, 2018 5:17 pm Jay is still my #1 town read.

Interesting. I was going to actually ask you for your opinion but you have given it anyway.

Why?

He's oozing with sincerity, there's emotion in his dialogue with Jack that I don't think would be there if he was bad, and his self-imposed post cap is something he could easily milk if he drew a scum role. Instead he seems to be struggling against it. Not to mention the alignment of his thoughts with mine in more than one place.

Jay is still my #1 town read.

lapluie wrote: ↑Fri Jan 12, 2018 1:01 am Sorry for stupid questions, is it necessary for everyone to vote?

The Day 0 polls are usually just a way for people to check in. Sometimes they can have some sort of secret influence on the game. That is probably the case for this poll, so I'd say it's worth voting, even if no one is sure what we're voting for.

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Jan 12, 2018 12:22 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 11:33 pm Before you try to figure out what's going on, lapluie, I suggest you introduce yourself to all these fine folks who haven't had the pleasure of meeting you. Tell us who you are, what your mafia experience is, and what your general impression of this game is. please and thank you.

Hello lapluie, I am Marmot.

Sloonei, could you tell me your mafia experience pls.

I uh got my start playing on RYM about 7 years ago, then migrated here in 2015, taking up permanent residence with the death of RYM's OT board. Two years ago I was a finalist in MafiaUniverse's Tournament of Champions and I've been a part of many games here on the Syndicate.

Sorry for all the posts to those of you just coming in. Some people have no self control.

Before you try to figure out what's going on, [mention]lapluie[/mention], I suggest you introduce yourself to all these fine folks who haven't had the pleasure of meeting you. Tell us who you are, what your mafia experience is, and what your general impression of this game is. please and thank you.

lapluie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 11:28 pm Hello I am here

Hello here, I am Sloonei.

*4901

that precocious little scamp

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 10:57 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:19 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:13 pm This is MacDougall's first game ever.

This.

I'm surprised, so you can take that as a compliment.

It's astonishing that he's managed 4091 posts on Day 0 of his first game.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 10:20 pm Hey dudes... I read page 1 and page 9. Did I miss anything important?

Depends what your impression of pages 1 & 9 is.

I'll let [mention]lapluie[/mention] introduce herself when she gets here but, for reference, I invited her to the Syndicate and this is (obviously) her first game here. She also knows Quin.

[mention]Quin[/mention] tell me what you think of wilgy.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:27 pm @Sloonei your first post was too long for what it actually provided.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:21 am With no basis on what I'm voting for, the Outworld sounds like my kind of place.

Then your post following also was too long and fluffy.

Comparing your first buncha posts here to other civ Sloonei posts makes me feel that you are being non genuine here. An example of difference can be found by comparing this game to the search for Quin.

Now. Why did I have to bark for you to bat an eye?

weak. To say nothing of the accuracy of your meta read on me, the posts you reference here are hardly relevant to any actual gameplay, and the rest of my day 1 posts were a bunch of 1-line questions and prods of individual players.
You barked of your own volition. Had you just come out and stated a suspicion of me rather than alluding to the possibility of one, I would have responded.

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:17 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:16 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 5:26 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 5:21 pm Quin, why are you town reading me in this game?

Gut.

I'm not sure what to do with this post from Quin most of all. Our conversation started with him giving me a town read. I then dragged us into a discussion of my recent mafia meta (Quin and I were recently a mafia hydra-pairing together on MU) and, after some initial hesitation, he identified some possible signs to differentiate between my town and scum play. I wanted to get a feel for whether or not these thoughts were something he was factoring into his read of me here (this did not seem to be the case), and instead his reason for town reading me was expressed in three letters: gut. I don't object to Quin gut reading me. But I don't like the sequence of events leading up to the declaration of this gut read and his answers to my questions did not seem to reflect an earnest progression of thoughts.

That's because I wasn't progressing my read of you in your line of questioning.

where did your read of me originate?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:11 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:07 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:03 pm Why patronize the idea of me finding symptoms of you being bad if you are good Sloonster? If you are civ the symptoms wouldnt exist. Would you want me to be chasing my tail like a puppy if I was a civilian on your team?

I want town wilgy to do what town wilgy needs to do to feel comfortable in this game. I also don't appreciate being told I should address suspicions which don't exist, hence the tone of snark.

Why judge my suspicion as nonexistent without a question? You devote such time to your stream of posts and I didn't get one until someone else drew it out and I yelled about it. Porque?

I invite you to share a reason for suspecting me.

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 5:26 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 5:21 pm Quin, why are you town reading me in this game?

Gut.

I'm not sure what to do with this post from Quin most of all. Our conversation started with him giving me a town read. I then dragged us into a discussion of my recent mafia meta (Quin and I were recently a mafia hydra-pairing together on MU) and, after some initial hesitation, he identified some possible signs to differentiate between my town and scum play. I wanted to get a feel for whether or not these thoughts were something he was factoring into his read of me here (this did not seem to be the case), and instead his reason for town reading me was expressed in three letters: gut. I don't object to Quin gut reading me. But I don't like the sequence of events leading up to the declaration of this gut read and his answers to my questions did not seem to reflect an earnest progression of thoughts.

Also, for the record: town read on novaselinenever.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:03 pm Why patronize the idea of me finding symptoms of you being bad if you are good Sloonster? If you are civ the symptoms wouldnt exist. Would you want me to be chasing my tail like a puppy if I was a civilian on your team?

I want town wilgy to do what town wilgy needs to do to feel comfortable in this game. I also don't appreciate being told I should address suspicions which don't exist, hence the tone of snark.
tone of snark, tony stark.... hey [mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention], does TonyStarkPrime know this game is happening?

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:01 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:58 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:57 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:50 pm

Made wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:48 pm Mac, what is your read of quin?

His reaction to the initial suspicion of him was fairly ambiguous. His lack of genuine townlike play is alarming. I have him as my biggest scumread.

lack of genuine townlike play, huh

I see less overtly civilian inspiration in you than I'd expect from 40+ Day 0 posts.

I think you expect more from me than I'm equipped to give you. I just talk. That's all I've ever done.

what if I said I didn't get the impression you were sincerely trying to read me earlier?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:34 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 6:50 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 4:24 pm Jesus Christ guys. 5 pages on day 0. Stooooooop.

I'm going to prove to you that Sloonei is bad this game. I have a real good feeling about that. He is bad an I'm a doctor!

Also Made has wilgy as his second strongest town read on the strength of this post and nothing else (wilgy's only other contribution at the time of made's rainbow was an OT comment about jack's avatar). I guess I overlooked this post when I was discussing Made's observation about heat on me, but I don't really take this seriously since it doesn't seem like wilgy's expressing an actual suspicion of me, rather he's just shaking his fist at me for having close to 50 posts on Day 0. I'd shake my fist at me too. That's ridiculous.
I don't understand any of Made's reads, I guess, but that doesn't stop me from liking that they exist at this point.

Why did it take you so long to comment on this? Why did you provide a reason other than suspicion when I said I was suspicious of you?

I didn't have a reason to respond to it initially because you didn't seem to be expressing any reason to suspect me. It seemed more like a mission statement rather than a declaration of suspicion: "I'm going to prove to you that Sloonei is bad this game." I only addressed the post in the context of the discussion around Made. I frankly do not care about your stance on me here because it doesn't appear that you have one. You have a hypothesis that I am bad. Get back to me when you find the symptoms of my badness, Doctor.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:14 pm
Yes, you and Made. For different reasons though. I still have to reread the thread to get a more clear image.

In what ways do we stand out?

Don't let my constant questions interfere with your efforts to read the thread. Do what you gotta do and get back to me when you're comfortable.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:57 pm

We have 3 kinds of Mafia.

Regular Mafia : It has a night start. There is no Day 0. It's a kind of role madness with a lot of power roles. The setup is closed and the night write-ups are filled with flavor names. Each role has a flavor name. So it's about the write-up and scum hunting during the day phase.

Traditional Mafia : It has a Day start. The setup is also closed and it's all about scum-hunting. There is no major write-ups.

Town of Salem : Night start. Open setup if only 15 players. More than that, the set-up is closed.

Roleclaiming depends on the host and what kind of Mafia. In traditional, it's usually forbidden or heavily frowned upon. You usually hint.
In Regular, the policy is leniant. The only thing you shouldn't do is quote your role PM.
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Thanks. Do any players here stand out to you one way or the other?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:11 pm I'm not really giving Made any townie cred for being brave and sharing reads. Way I see it, anyone can throw out reads based on nothing and do a combination of refusing to answer questions about reads and walking them back.

I don't know Made well enough to say this is normal or this is suspicious but I can't see how anyone could give him townie cred for it.

Yeah, the reads themselves aren't the reason I'm giving Made townie credit. It's there mere fact of their existence that I like. Even if they are totally bogus and "based on nothing", I like that Made opened himself up to discussion they would inevitably bring up. It's not impossible for a scum Made to take this step, and his own contributions to that discussion are going to carry a lot of weight for how my read develops, but at this moment I'm glad he posted a rainbow list and feel good about him for it.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:09 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 6:55 pm novaselinenever, sorry about all the posts. we're not usually this aggressive early on. That said, do you have any first impressions to share? Or a general observation about the game right now?

same message for @Dave and @lapluie. Sorry there's so much content already. You don't have to read all of it. Just get a feel for what's happening and start talking to us.

It's ok mate. I'm used to a lot of fluff where I play Mafia lol. I don't really have anything to share at the moment. I'm reading the thread as it goes on and haven't caught anything. The majority of players are just trying to get reads on others based on meta.

About the game, I'm still a bit lost and wandering how each location we vote for might impact the gameplay. It's original and interesting though

what can you tell us about the mafia culture you're used to? how do you guys normally treat day 1? do you play with lots of power roles? what's your policy on roleclaiming and stuff?

i like to ask questions.

[mention]novaselinenever[/mention], sorry about all the posts. we're not usually this aggressive early on. That said, do you have any first impressions to share? Or a general observation about the game right now?

same message for [mention]Dave[/mention] and [mention]lapluie[/mention]. Sorry there's so much content already. You don't have to read all of it. Just get a feel for what's happening and start talking to us.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 4:24 pm Jesus Christ guys. 5 pages on day 0. Stooooooop.

I'm going to prove to you that Sloonei is bad this game. I have a real good feeling about that. He is bad an I'm a doctor!

Also Made has wilgy as his second strongest town read on the strength of this post and nothing else (wilgy's only other contribution at the time of made's rainbow was an OT comment about jack's avatar). I guess I overlooked this post when I was discussing Made's observation about heat on me, but I don't really take this seriously since it doesn't seem like wilgy's expressing an actual suspicion of me, rather he's just shaking his fist at me for having close to 50 posts on Day 0. I'd shake my fist at me too. That's ridiculous.
I don't understand any of Made's reads, I guess, but that doesn't stop me from liking that they exist at this point.

I like that Made was the first player to come out with a rainbow list. It's a bold move and not one that he was prompted into doing. It shows a willingness to share reads and promote development in the thread.

I still have absolutely no idea where his read of me comes from, and that Macdougall is the only player lower than me on his list is a bit of a mystery as well.

Lynch dunya

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 6:25 pm Wow, there's a lot of posts.

I'm much better at skimming vocaroos. I really can't browse these written posts, so I'm just gonna read the last page and go from there. Sound good?

Made wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 6:05 pm

Spoiler: show

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 5:58 pm

Made wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 5:30 pm note, this is the first game I remember ever seeing slooni take any sort of heat. very interesting to see tbh.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:31 pm Sloonei and Quin are on my 'do not lynch D1' list for this game. I have chosen.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:09 pm Also, Sloonei is a lock civilian and I'm done sorting his alignment for the remainder of the game.

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 4:17 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 4:17 pmQuin, read me.

town.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 4:14 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:09 pm Also, Sloonei is a lock civilian and I'm done sorting his alignment for the remainder of the game.

Sloonei needs to be mafia at some point so I can actually understand his playstyle instead of just going "Sloonei looks like town to me, as usual." (except when we're tunneling on different players and I get to tinfoiling that he's defending my bad suspects to go after his bad suspects but that only happened once)

The only thing that can be remotely construed as "heat" is this:

Made wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:00 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:59 pm

Made wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:56 pm So Slooni's starting the game in a nice pinkish shade of red from me

Explain

Well at first i was thinking a burnt orange, but i feel like a more rosey and inviting red really fit you more.

You said that. The only heat on me here is coming from you you, Made. I don't understand this observation or where it came from.

hmm....my bad then. do you remember the last time you took any heat or got lynched?

I took heat in vocaroo. I was misylnched as a townie in The Search for Quin.
where did your observation come from and why are you reading me as non-town?

Made wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 5:30 pm note, this is the first game I remember ever seeing slooni take any sort of heat. very interesting to see tbh.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:31 pm Sloonei and Quin are on my 'do not lynch D1' list for this game. I have chosen.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:09 pm Also, Sloonei is a lock civilian and I'm done sorting his alignment for the remainder of the game.

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 4:17 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 4:17 pmQuin, read me.

town.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 4:14 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:09 pm Also, Sloonei is a lock civilian and I'm done sorting his alignment for the remainder of the game.

Sloonei needs to be mafia at some point so I can actually understand his playstyle instead of just going "Sloonei looks like town to me, as usual." (except when we're tunneling on different players and I get to tinfoiling that he's defending my bad suspects to go after his bad suspects but that only happened once)

The only thing that can be remotely construed as "heat" is this:

Made wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:00 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:59 pm

Made wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:56 pm So Slooni's starting the game in a nice pinkish shade of red from me

Explain

Well at first i was thinking a burnt orange, but i feel like a more rosey and inviting red really fit you more.

You said that. The only heat on me here is coming from you you, Made. I don't understand this observation or where it came from.

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 5:26 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 5:21 pm Quin, why are you town reading me in this game?

Gut.

Quin, why are you town reading me in this game?

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 4:31 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 4:28 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 4:17 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 4:17 pmQuin, read me.

town.

Do I not strike you as resonant of our hydra experience?

Not particularly. That's also an awkward comparison to ask me to make because I was bad with you then.

What strikes you as similar in your approach to that game that you don't also do in any other game?

That we were bad together is exactly why I'm asking you about the hydra experience. You had a front row seat to bad sloonei for 48 hours. I'm asking you if you can draw any comparisons from there to here. I'm not telling you that you should or shouldn't see anything specific.

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 4:17 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 4:17 pmQuin, read me.

town.

Do I not strike you as resonant of our hydra experience?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 4:20 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:42 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:40 pm I have a town read on Made. Who agrees/disagrees?

I hesitate. One of his earliest Vocaroo 2 moves was to voice suspicion of me, an early vocal presence. One of his earliest Mortal Kombat moves has now been to voice suspicion of you, an early vocal presence (if I am correctly interpreting a pinkish red color to be a negative thing, or an "independent" read to indicate that you don't look like a civilian to him).

What was his alignment in Vocaroo 2?

Vocaroo is like "record yourself saying a thing and post the recording" mafia right?

Made was scum in that game.

Quin, read me.

I'm bad 100% of the time on MafiaUniverse, 1% of the time anywhere else.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 4:09 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:59 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:55 pm I like your chocobo avatar, Speed.

Thanks! I'm glad you like it. Slight correction on what it is, though.

Rockin. That looks exactly my style, though I still haven't finished Mario 64.


RE: Quin

I always think Quin is bad, usually around Day 4. I may or may not become utterly convinced of his townieness on Day 1 or 2 but it doesn't matter. I will be convinced he is bad around Day 4.

90% of this game's content is from or about Quin. Let's talk about someone I have a better chance of reading.

Talk about Made.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:59 pm What?! You are on page 4?! Umm......This is why I don't play big games, Epi. I will see you all when we are down to about 12 players and one of you can catch me up.

Remember not to catch up.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:49 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:47 pm How did he react when pressed to justify that suspicion of you?

He attempted to justify it, and ended up roaming around in convoluted theories and uncertainties, struggling to piece together an argument.

So far there has been no attempt to justify his read on me. If anything, he's demonstrated an aversion to it. Granted it's only been about a half hour since he stated it, but he was given the chance to explain the read and did not.

[mention]Made[/mention], if you can, could you take us back to your headspace at the beginning of Vocaroo 2 when you were trying to frame Jay as bad?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:44 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:40 pm I have a town read on Made. Who agrees/disagrees?

I'm more interested in Made's read on you than your read on him, currently.

This had better not be an insane buddy gambit. That would make my 'do not lynch' list wrong.

I'm interested in your read on Made.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:42 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:40 pm I have a town read on Made. Who agrees/disagrees?

I hesitate. One of his earliest Vocaroo 2 moves was to voice suspicion of me, an early vocal presence. One of his earliest Mortal Kombat moves has now been to voice suspicion of you, an early vocal presence (if I am correctly interpreting a pinkish red color to be a negative thing, or an "independent" read to indicate that you don't look like a civilian to him).

How did he react when pressed to justify that suspicion of you?

I have a town read on Made. Who agrees/disagrees?

Made wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:11 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:07 pm

Made wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:04 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:02 pm EBWOP: what do you THINK is my alignment?

probs indy tbh. i don't think you're last man standing, so probably the other one.

What brought you to this conclusion roughly 15 hours into the game?

ask kyle

But I want your answer.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:12 pm Still think you're wrong about Quin, Sloonei. Still have you both on my no lynchy list.

I'm actually gonna take a look at Kylemii.

linki: uuuuuuuuuhhhhhh

I never said I believed in the case I laid out for Quin, just that it's an argument I can make. I'm undecided on Quin's alignment in this game.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:09 pm Also, Sloonei is a lock civilian and I'm done sorting his alignment for the remainder of the game.

So's Jay. Watching you try to keep yourself within your self-imposed restriction is fun.

Made wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:04 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:02 pm EBWOP: what do you THINK is my alignment?

probs indy tbh. i don't think you're last man standing, so probably the other one.

What brought you to this conclusion roughly 15 hours into the game?