The Syndicate

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:25 am I was going to go to bed as well, but now I see a lynch post coming so perhaps I will wait after all.

Why'd you vote for nutella?

So...

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:10 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:09 am Kyle's inebriation is mild point in his favor for me. He had to fight and claw his way to coherently express his desire to choose a side. drunk mafia kyle could have just thrown a vote and laughed like a rotten child on an anthill.
But he one-offed on Daisy.

He did it for the Rabbi.

Kyle's inebriation is mild point in his favor for me. He had to fight and claw his way to coherently express his desire to choose a side. drunk mafia kyle could have just thrown a vote and laughed like a rotten child on an anthill.

LoRab wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:05 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:03 am Epi is my least favorite option in the three-way tie right now. I'm firmly in the LoRab camp.
which bums me out personally because I was stoked to play this game with her. But, here we are.
Maybe some day you'll accept that my logic is my logic, and I don't change it for other people. And that that really is the crux of your case.

I do not object to your logic. I just do not see the steps involved in it.
Apologies if I'm wrong about you and the Rabbi sends you packing. I hope to play with you again soon.

I don't hate the idea of a tie as much as I usually would given that we have a town role that decides these things. That's a sweet role.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:01 am Elplz eevator pitch me on lorab vrs locon go

Kyle is too drunk.

Epi is my least favorite option in the three-way tie right now. I'm firmly in the LoRab camp.
which bums me out personally because I was stoked to play this game with her. But, here we are.

LoRab wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:57 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:44 am
LoRab wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:36 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:33 am
LoRab wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:32 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:30 am
LoRab wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:28 am
I don't have much of a read, tbh. My gut says civ.
why?
Do you have anything to say at all about Epi's play on Day 2?
Like I said--it's gut. Gut, to me, says there isn't a real reason, just a general feeling.

I don't have much to say on Epi's play Day 2. It has felt fairly neutral to me.
Do you have any other reads to share?
Not particularly. I have other players I feel are probably civ, but no reason to point them out. If I had other reads on players I think are bad, I'd have stated them by now.

Do you care to say why you think I'm bad, other than the fact that you disagree with the reasons I suspect people?
when did I tell you whether or not I agree with your reasons for suspecting people?

I think you're bad because the reads you've shared with me right now have not felt very thorough or convincing. Your read of Epi, the strongest one you possess in the game, is based on something vague that you can't identify in anything he's done this day phase. Your case against speedchuck is that he moves his vote around too much in a game with changeable votes. You only offered a "gut" civ read on me when I pressed you for it. And the read which started off this suspicion, your read of nutella, is similarly week. we started by talking about how that bandwagon was suspicious, and you ended by saying that speedchuck's involvement was suspicious because it was suspicious, and that Epi is suspicious regardless of whether or not he was involved. You didn't offer a comment on Jay, just brushed him off. You gave an (understandable) shrug to wilgy.

It's been a long time since I played a game with you, but I remember the strong town LoRab from Mad Max. I don't see her here.
That is how I make suspicions--I literally explained my thought process. So, yeah, you don't agree with my reasons, which you elaborate here. Yes, they are somewhat vague, because they are based on general reads of people. Also, I've done some major read ups of a dozen or so pages, more than once, which makes it hard to make big linky cases on people. At least for me.

As for your other points, I didn't offer a comment on JJJ because I have a mainly civ feeling about him, and his posts in the LA piece were ambiguous. And, it's not that speedchuck changes his vote a lot--it's that every time he changes it, it's to jump on a bandwagon.

Mad Max was a while ago, but it's likely that I was as ambiguous in my thoughts on day 2 as I am here, because that's how my suspicions usually work, except when there's a post that sticks out as wonky, which hasn't happened here.

So, yeah, I am really seeing it as you don't agree with my reasons.

It's more that I don't see evidence of your reasons. In theory I could get behind them. In this moment, I'm not sure I believe you believe them.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:56 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:55 am
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:53 am I moved to nutella for the moment, I'm not 100% certain I want to stay there but my gut just got thrown for a loop and her moving to Jay is concerning to me.
I recommend looking at LoRab quickly if you have time.
Tell me about lorab

click

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:53 am I moved to nutella for the moment, I'm not 100% certain I want to stay there but my gut just got thrown for a loop and her moving to Jay is concerning to me.

I recommend looking at LoRab quickly if you have time.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:52 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:51 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:48 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:47 am @y'all: what do you think of LoRab right now?
Lukewarm suspicion. What's her biggest offense?
Our exchange began with her stating a gripe against the nutella bandwagon. I asked her to investigate it. She did. The reads she produced were that Epignosis was suspicious regardless of how he looked in the nutella wagon, and that speedchuck was suspicious simply for being there and for dipping his toes in a lot of bandwagons. She made absolutely no comment on you, despite you also throwing your vote all over the place like speedchuck. I don't buy that these are sincere suspicions.
Tell me about Long Con quickly.

I don't have a firm grasp on his play in this game. I simply haven't spent much time looking at him, and it would be unproductive to try to get into that now. I see your gripes but they do not resonate strongly with me because I lack any foundation with which to approach LC right now. That being the case, it seems unlikely that I'd vote for him today unless it's just a blind hail mary.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:48 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:47 am @y'all: what do you think of LoRab right now?
Lukewarm suspicion. What's her biggest offense?

Our exchange began with her stating a gripe against the nutella bandwagon. I asked her to investigate it. She did. The reads she produced were that Epignosis was suspicious regardless of how he looked in the nutella wagon, and that speedchuck was suspicious simply for being there and for dipping his toes in a lot of bandwagons. She made absolutely no comment on you, despite you also throwing your vote all over the place like speedchuck. I don't buy that these are sincere suspicions.

@y'all: what do you think of LoRab right now?

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:40 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:35 am Actually no, nutella, I don't care about your read on me right now. It's negative and not budging until further notice. Talk to me about LoRab instead.
Fake news. My read on you has fluctuated a fair amount in the last day. For most of this day phase I've chosen and stuck with the idea that you are more likely bad than Epi, but I'm not actually 100% on you despite appearances.

Lorab is a very waffley read for me right now but GTH bad.

Care to join me on the LoRab wagon?

LoRab wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:36 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:33 am
LoRab wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:32 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:30 am
LoRab wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:28 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:25 am How do you read me, LoRab?

I don't have much of a read, tbh. My gut says civ.
why?
Do you have anything to say at all about Epi's play on Day 2?
Like I said--it's gut. Gut, to me, says there isn't a real reason, just a general feeling.

I don't have much to say on Epi's play Day 2. It has felt fairly neutral to me.
Do you have any other reads to share?
Not particularly. I have other players I feel are probably civ, but no reason to point them out. If I had other reads on players I think are bad, I'd have stated them by now.

Do you care to say why you think I'm bad, other than the fact that you disagree with the reasons I suspect people?

when did I tell you whether or not I agree with your reasons for suspecting people?

I think you're bad because the reads you've shared with me right now have not felt very thorough or convincing. Your read of Epi, the strongest one you possess in the game, is based on something vague that you can't identify in anything he's done this day phase. Your case against speedchuck is that he moves his vote around too much in a game with changeable votes. You only offered a "gut" civ read on me when I pressed you for it. And the read which started off this suspicion, your read of nutella, is similarly week. we started by talking about how that bandwagon was suspicious, and you ended by saying that speedchuck's involvement was suspicious because it was suspicious, and that Epi is suspicious regardless of whether or not he was involved. You didn't offer a comment on Jay, just brushed him off. You gave an (understandable) shrug to wilgy.

It's been a long time since I played a game with you, but I remember the strong town LoRab from Mad Max. I don't see her here.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:34 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:29 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:26 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:19 am Why do you scum read me, speedchuck?
"Sloonei - his turnabout on me is garbage. I can't read the "oh, if you play a better townie while mafia then you must be mafia" vote without having a spasmodic fit. That's one way to excuse and turn around a convenient townread you've been using. Bull friggin crap.
Different point:
Amusingly, Sloonei never actually tunneled on cBob when he was town in mountains. It was a constant suspicion, but I never saw him pursue it super hard.
Final point: I really think one of the main three is scum, and Sloonei is my top guess. I'm sorry if I'm wrong, Sloonbeard. You feel off, and that's the best argument I can give you. This readlist/thread review is taking all of my remaining time today. I'm probably just going to have to hope I don't die in MK mafia."

It's... not great if you still townread me. I don't know what to make of your treatment of my read there.
You've been a strong town read for a lot of the game. I began to question myself on that read. I've still felt good about you, but it's not a read upon which the game hinges. My mind is far from made up.
why does my "turnaround" bother you, and what does the Mountains anecdote mean to you in this game?
Your form of questioning yourself on the read, in one post, said:
"Speed says he plays a good town game if bad. He's playing a good town game. Therefore I'd better switch my read." If that was you being snarky, it's one thing. But at the time, I thought you were using my meta against me to enlarge a wagon, and it did NOT sit right. A reversal like that needed more to it. I'm confused on this point still ATM. No time to find the post, I've got LC to look at.
I was stating that your method of approaching Kyle near EOD1 was not the same as your approach to cBob, or really anyone I've seen. The fire that you put into that was something I'd expect from JJJ and not you. And even though you've gotten someone lynched before, you going after Kyle was distinctly different.

That initial comment was half in jest, though your scum meta is something that routinely bogs me down when I'm trying to read you. I was largely unaware that a wagon was forming on you at the time I said it. I was at work all day, and only loosely glancing down at the most recent posts in the thread. I responded to your comment in isolation.
As for the inspiration behind my "reversal", I had a rough Day 1. Day 2 sloonei dosn't trust the judgment of Day 1 Sloonei. I've reversed on a lot of things. Kyle is a town read right now, for instance.
Like I've said, the "fire" in my case against Kyle was less to do with conviction about Kyle being bad, and more about my general frustration with the direction of the thread at the time.

Actually no, [mention]nutella[/mention], I don't care about your read on me right now. It's negative and not budging until further notice. Talk to me about LoRab instead.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:33 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:30 am
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:28 am Jay, move your vote to Sloonei.
Why? Give me abridged version.
I wanted you to move off Dizzy and Sloonei is my preferred lynch, though LC is fine too. I also wanted to see if you would do it (would have been a three-way tie including yourself anyway but now it's not so it doesn't work the same way) whatever LC is a fine choice

Can you share any version of a case against me?

LoRab wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:32 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:30 am
LoRab wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:28 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:25 am How do you read me, LoRab?

I don't have much of a read, tbh. My gut says civ.
why?
Do you have anything to say at all about Epi's play on Day 2?
Like I said--it's gut. Gut, to me, says there isn't a real reason, just a general feeling.

I don't have much to say on Epi's play Day 2. It has felt fairly neutral to me.

Do you have any other reads to share?

nutella, move your vote to LoRab.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:29 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:24 am I wonder if I changed my avatar to a cat or a penguin would people stop assuming my posts are arrogant.
I don't think mine is doing me any favors either.

I'm pretty sure mine does the trick.

LoRab wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:28 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:25 am How do you read me, LoRab?

I don't have much of a read, tbh. My gut says civ.

why?
Do you have anything to say at all about Epi's play on Day 2?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:26 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:19 am Why do you scum read me, speedchuck?
"Sloonei - his turnabout on me is garbage. I can't read the "oh, if you play a better townie while mafia then you must be mafia" vote without having a spasmodic fit. That's one way to excuse and turn around a convenient townread you've been using. Bull friggin crap.
Different point:
Amusingly, Sloonei never actually tunneled on cBob when he was town in mountains. It was a constant suspicion, but I never saw him pursue it super hard.
Final point: I really think one of the main three is scum, and Sloonei is my top guess. I'm sorry if I'm wrong, Sloonbeard. You feel off, and that's the best argument I can give you. This readlist/thread review is taking all of my remaining time today. I'm probably just going to have to hope I don't die in MK mafia."

It's... not great if you still townread me. I don't know what to make of your treatment of my read there.

You've been a strong town read for a lot of the game. I began to question myself on that read. I've still felt good about you, but it's not a read upon which the game hinges. My mind is far from made up.
why does my "turnaround" bother you, and what does the Mountains anecdote mean to you in this game?

How do you read me, [mention]LoRab[/mention]?

Why do you scum read me, speedchuck?

LoRab wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:07 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:58 pm
LoRab wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:50 pmWell, we already know I'm suspicious of Epi. Looking at LC's post on speedchuck, his main point against him was that he jumped on the kylewagon and then didn't let go--which is simmilar to what he did here. So, that makes me eyeball him more. Wilgy? I have no idea. He's Wilgy. 3J I don't suspect for this.

What do you think?
I think that the substance of your Epignosis suspicion is unclear. I see that you are suspicious of him, but I don't quite see why. Could you talk more about that?
I'm also not sure what to make of your speedchuck suspicion here. what is the relationship between Long Con's case against speedchuck, speedchuck's pressure of kyle, and speedchuck's involvement in this nutella bandwagon?
My suspicion of Epi is that he's going after players in a way that he does when he's bad, particularly when he's bad in a speed game--I've tried to explain it a few times now...not sure how to differently articulate my feelings.

Could you point to an example of him doing this on Day 2?

And my suspicion of speedchuck, based on his jumping on the LA bandwagon, coupled wit LC's case--which I read as, essentially, jumpting on the kyle bandwagon--show a pattern of behavior which I don't see as civ behavior. Does that make more sense?

I'm not sure. What is "unciv" about taking part in these particular bandwagons?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:02 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:29 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:11 pm Fam if you wouldn't mind I had a Kyle and long con team as a good possibility. Would you mind looking at their interactions and sharing with me your thoughts when you have a moment?
I did a brief search. They seemed to have a small flare up early in the game around the Day 0 Kyle nonsense, but after that they both seemed to quietly settled on town reads of each other with little visible movement in the thread. That's something I wouldn't mind talking about.
@Kylemii @Long Con, mind elaborating on how your early reads of one another developed?
I initially viewed his cropping of my post as being opportunistic and sneaky, I felt better when he apologized later I felt better about him, it seemed like a realistic mistake. Coming into day 2 I decided to press a tiny reset button in my brain. Many of my day 1 reads were poisoned by emotions and stress. LC's case he made coming into today gave me an impression of good. I've seen LC in many games and been disappointed by his lack of involvement. (not in a shame on you way but like in a, I wish LC would play more way] so seeing a case from him at all was a sign of proactiveness, indicative ofpositive vibes

Talk about your read of him at the point of this GTH list:

Spoiler: show

The town read you're describing right now speaks to his Day 2 involvement, but you had him down as good prior to today as well.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:00 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:59 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:56 pm I moved my vote for the time being.
I take it this is a temporary position.
It is. I don't trust you, but my vote isn't staying there today.

Unless I fall asleep.

Let's figure out where it's gonna go if you stay awake then. who are you considering?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:56 pm Mac
Epi
LC

Wilgy

FZ
nutella
Kyle
daisy 2
JJJ

Marmot
Nova

Sloonei
Dizzy
LoRab

This is the readlist I posted earlier, now without color or reasons

Does this reflect your current feelings?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:58 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:55 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:51 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:49 pm I’m doing everything I possibly can to help you.

I think NVN would make a decent alternative if I wasn’t so occupied with persuing your lynch because your case on Epig was bad.

Last try. You, Speed and Epig should try figure out if I’m town or scum here. Good luck if you need it.
Theory: Dizzy has been forced to vote for me via the This Guy role and "a punishment of his choice".

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:56 pm I moved my vote for the time being.

I take it this is a temporary position.

LoRab wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:50 pmWell, we already know I'm suspicious of Epi. Looking at LC's post on speedchuck, his main point against him was that he jumped on the kylewagon and then didn't let go--which is simmilar to what he did here. So, that makes me eyeball him more. Wilgy? I have no idea. He's Wilgy. 3J I don't suspect for this.

What do you think?

I think that the substance of your Epignosis suspicion is unclear. I see that you are suspicious of him, but I don't quite see why. Could you talk more about that?
I'm also not sure what to make of your speedchuck suspicion here. what is the relationship between Long Con's case against speedchuck, speedchuck's pressure of kyle, and speedchuck's involvement in this nutella bandwagon?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:47 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:43 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:41 pm Oh good. No, I didn’t know that. I’m persuing your lynch because your case on Epig was bad.

Anyway, it’s ok if you want to move on from that. Completely.
What do you mean by "move on from that"? And what was bad about my case on Epignosis?
I’ve literally said everything I want to say about that: I’m persuing your lynch as you know because you case on Epig was bad. I don’t want to or need to talk about it more. Stop, breathe, and think quitly or just move on.

As an uninvolved third party, I found myself knowing less about you in this game now than I did before you showed up tonight. I would appreciate it if you did talk more about things.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:33 pm @JJJ - Do better or get lynched.
You saying I want to «destroy you» looks terrible from where I stand.

-

Trying once more, cause I don’t want to get lynched here, and neither should I.

I’m persuing a lynch on JJJ because his case on Epig, it was bad. I can’t recap the case honestly, cause I skimmed or haven’t read yet, but I’m persuing this lynch with my vote.

-

Pay attention please: Antway, meanwhile, I’m noting a couple of players doing very little or nothing. I see no reason not to lynch NVN for example. Maybe there’s better options, and I wish I was caught up to tell. However, I’m persuing this lynch on JJJ cause that’s what I’m doing.

If you have concerns outside whether I’m town or scum, do not talk about it - !

I'm not following. What's your beef with Jay?

LoRab wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:27 pm Read back on the LAwagon.

Epi started it. Speedchuck agreed. A few players defended her, there was back and forth about it. Wilgy pops in and jumps on the wagon.

Apparently, 3J also voted for her for a short bit:

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:40 pm JJJ is back to Epi without announcing that he was once on nutella.

Who else was on nutella? There were 4 votes there once upon a time.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:51 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:40 pm JJJ is back to Epi without announcing that he was once on nutella.

Who else was on nutella? There were 4 votes there once upon a time.
"I have clicked a button" was the nutella vote. I think she sounds genuine right now. I don't know her as the type to rage against people when she's bad, least of all Epignosis.
But pretty quickly seems to have changed his mind.

Do any of these folks stand out as particularly suspicious for their involvement in this short-lived bandwagon?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:11 pm Fam if you wouldn't mind I had a Kyle and long con team as a good possibility. Would you mind looking at their interactions and sharing with me your thoughts when you have a moment?

I did a brief search. They seemed to have a small flare up early in the game around the Day 0 Kyle nonsense, but after that they both seemed to quietly settled on town reads of each other with little visible movement in the thread. That's something I wouldn't mind talking about.
[mention]Kylemii[/mention] [mention]Long Con[/mention], mind elaborating on how your early reads of one another developed?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 5:40 pm Dyslexicon - Buddied me all game. Pretty decent effort in the catch-up posts, but it's not the Dizzy I remember from Phenon at all. (No, I haven't had time to look at currents). Town Dizzy is, as I remember, confrontational, sassy, and in your face to the point of discomfort with the weird tongue lady gifs.
This Dizzy isn't giving me much from her posts. I'm just not getting anything. Lots of 'feels' and 'probably's. Votes and positions are easy, go along to get along.
Read her ISO and tell me you see person who cares about the roof. I'll grab my nail gun.

Is there anything in Dizzy's ISO that you think directly points to scumminess, or is it just an overall atmosphere of meh?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:14 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:11 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 3:22 am DrWilgy
novaselinenever
Dyslexicon
FZ.
LoRab
How have these reads developed since you made this rainbow, and which player from this list would you be most willing to lynch right now? Least willing?
They're all still suspects. I've hardly been here today to see developments. My greatest immediate beefs are with Dyslexicon. I'd feel the least confidence lynching LoRab or FZ -- the two of them have blended a bit in my head. That's where my time will be focused in the coming half-hour-plus.

what inspired the reads in the first place?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 3:22 am DrWilgy
novaselinenever
Dyslexicon
FZ.
LoRab

How have these reads developed since you made this rainbow, and which player from this list would you be most willing to lynch right now? Least willing?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:08 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:06 pm How do people feel about nutella?
I've been reading her tone positively given its assertiveness and the lack of waffles. I do need to consider how this compares with TSFQ though.

It's difficult to submit Burglaries to the record of Real Valid Mafia Games in terms of applying meta reads from them to larger games, but in the Pizza burglary nutella was bad and, after bussing her partner, picked me as her mislynch target and never wavered or changed anything about her reads.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:06 pm Gonna catch up

Talk to me about Dyslexicon.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:05 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:04 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:02 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:00 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:55 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:51 pm what is your read of spacedaisy 2.0?
Dark green skittle.
Gimme a red skittle.
I'm afraid I don't have any. I though LC's speedchuck case was excellent, but I was also moved by speedchuck's reads provisions thereafter. This is a tough game. The darkest orange right now is Dizzy, who I've just voted for.
weeeeeak
You're right. It isn't hard to provide rock solid reads if I have a reason to be fake.

Have you attempted a rainbow recently?

How do people feel about nutella?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:03 pm Epignosis believed he was entering this phase as a dead man walking. How do people feel about the effort he has provided given that the circumstances have not reflected that?

I feel better about him than I did at the very beginning of the day. I only skimmed his FZ case earlier though.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:02 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:00 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:55 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:51 pm what is your read of spacedaisy 2.0?
Dark green skittle.
Gimme a red skittle.
I'm afraid I don't have any. I though LC's speedchuck case was excellent, but I was also moved by speedchuck's reads provisions thereafter. This is a tough game. The darkest orange right now is Dizzy, who I've just voted for.

weeeeeak

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:02 pm Jay is bad. Marmot is bad. Sloonei is bad. Dyslexicon is good.

Provide explanations for all of these reads.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:55 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:51 pm
what is your read of spacedaisy 2.0?

Dark green skittle.
[/quote]

Gimme a red skittle.

LoRab wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:52 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:45 pm
LoRab wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 5:57 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 4:31 amit's complicated. we have a history

lorab and I used to always trust each other because we often had similar thought processes/styles. I think she may be working with a slightly outdated view of my meta because she hasn't played with me very recently and I've been changing up quite a bit I think (or trying to), but she still correctly identifies me as town which could be legitimate but also could be lazy or (as you suggest about marmot) that she knows I'm good because she's bad. Since she hasn't been participating much at all it felt lazy to me, like she felt as if our past extensive familiarity with each other specially qualified her to weigh in on me. and I know she's been too busy to keep up/hasn't been online much, but I'm uncomfortable with how little she has said.

however, I think I had forgotten she'd called out Epi on her own terms. So actually scratch her being a likely teammate for him. I don't think she'd bus that hard.
It's more that I saw a bandwagon form against you out of nowhere, which made me believe you were likely not bad. The reasons people were giving didn't really resonate--I not so much meant I thought you were civ, but that I didn't have compelling reason to think you bad, or to get why there was a slew of votes being cast your way at that moment.
I felt like there was some backtracking in this answer, like she didn't want to have to fully justify a town read on Nutella, so she morphed it into simply not liking the earlier bandwagon against her.
missed this before I asked. I was further explaining what I had meant earlier. I guess I could see how you could read it that way. But, nothing I can really do about having elaborated on my earlier post after it was discussed--which was really about the bandwagon that came out of nowhere.

Am I really the only one who thought the nutella bandwagon was suspish? Yes, the votes moved, but I still really don't see why they went onto LA in the first place.

who were the people on this bandwagon? which of them were most suspicious to you?
i don't think I was around when it happened. any memories you have of the specifics would be helpful.

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