The Syndicate

K-Ness wrote: ↑Tue Oct 16, 2018 1:26 pm Thank you for the game, Epi. Congratulations to the mafia for the win.

How was your first taste of the Syndicate? I was dead pretty early, but I liked your perspective and it seemed like you acclimated yourself well. I’m always interested in hearing what people from different backgrounds think.

Buuuutts. Good game to everyone who showed up and thank you to Epi. I loved the setup and was bummed to be removed from it as early as I was.

I stopped following closely in the last week or so, why was nova not priority #1?

And if there are a number of inactive baddies, we’d want to consider what effect that would have had on luna’s playstyle. There was some interesting talk between Jack and Quin about her Day 1 nova vote haveing the potential of a bus, for instance, and I was beginning to see that angle as more of a possibility, but the talks never really got off the ground.

If someone among the “active” folks is bad, I’d look at sprit and speedchuck first. I have less reason to dismiss them as suspects than the rest of the group of voices that are keeping this game afloat. I suppose I haven’t pinned Kyle down anywhere either. I haven’t had a direct reason to suspect him yet though.

I would not be surprised at all if there is a quiet bad guy or two hiding out on the absentee list. That’s kind of the way the game feels to me at this point. Lots of good vibes from those of you that are here.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 30, 2018 9:23 pm Gemini on the poll. Double voter, likely.

Why did we feel the need to have a bunch of votes on Simon again? Anybody on that train can feel free to answer that.

Dizzy's vote appears to have been an accident, Speedchuck's was a shrug, and LC's was in the interest of creating a competitive lynch. Then Marmot and Gemini Man voted to force the tie.
Since none of those votes contained an ounce of confidence, I might guess that Marmot is a gemini.

I assumed Marmot was Lynched Man walking when I left earlier. Does anyone know when the vote from Gemini Man came in? That's a pretty crucial element to all of this. Whoever Gemini Man is apparently wanted Marmot to live. But then we don't know what alignment they'd be, so

This does at least give [mention]Marmot[/mention] a chance to answer the several questions I had for him after my ISO. Let's all try to be more active tomorrow.

this was an uninspiring day phase.

Nova would be an interesting alternative wagon if we lose interest in Marmot & Simon. Or we could still do more digging through interactive reads with luna to find out more. There hasn’t been much of that today.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Sep 30, 2018 4:22 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Sep 30, 2018 2:57 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 5:31 pm [VOTE: sprityo] aubergine

Counter-counter wagon engaged!

Votes for sprit. I'm generally appreciative of an open mindset and a willingness to consider new suspects, even at pivotal/late moments in a phase. But the concern here is not unreasonable. Luna, as we now know, was bad. Marmot has not even touched the case against her, focusing all of his energy on simultaneously defending me/criticizing sprityo. This both runs counter the proposed theory of Sloonei being the target of scum framing, and serves to indirectly protect Lunalee.
Outside of my acknowledgment, this "counterwagon" never gained any steam

Would anyone be this blatant about defending teammates though?

Marmot might

Alright good talk. I won't be around for end of day, so I moved my vote to Marmot.

Based on those ISOs I'd rather vote Marmot than Simon. I'll leave my vote on Simon for now, though, in the interest of keeping the poll from getting too lopsided.

Like Simon, I notice some interesting interactions with/about me in Marmot's post history. I'm so vain, I think this game is about me.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 11:11 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 7:54 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Sep 24, 2018 11:35 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 24, 2018 11:28 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Sep 24, 2018 7:32 pm This is an even worse result than the Day 1 result.

You are so evil and villainous and it offends me that you survived day one.

Please move past this.

You are asking me to play the game in ignorance of all my intuition and instincts?

Just kill me. Dr Manhattan taking out Rorschach style.

I think he's just asking you to ignore him, not your own intuition.

This post seems vaguely supportive but it's not really clear what point he's making. It seems like he's trying to temper Mac's exaggerated suspicion of me.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 11:28 am speedchuck, I notice you took it for granted that Sloonei didn't read the rules while accusing Bullzeye of feigning ignorance. Why?

This post also has my name in it. Sandwiched in between these two Marmot posts are a bunch of innocuous posts where the most substantial thing he says is that he intends to ISO Colin and Jay. This post seems less to be about making a point than about asking a question to Speedchuck. It's not a bad one, and he continues the line of inquiry a bit afterward. He is evidently more focused on Bullzeye here, trying to get to the bottom of speedchuck's suspicion of him. If Marmot is scum, I could see this as either a good or bad look for Bullzeye. On the one hand, Marmot is calling a significant amount of attention to his potential partner in Bullzeye, and I'm not sure how likely that would be. On the other, this could be a simple distancing ploy.
Or, Marmot is town and just wanted to know what was up with speedchuck's case.

This is where the real support of me starts. We're late in the day here, ~3 hours prior to the deadline I believe. Marmot's been relatively silent and he jumps in here with a seeming predisposition in favor of me. He's careful not to be uncritically on my side, though, as he throws in a little comment about my defensiveness at the end. Something about this post reads a little too easy to me. I'd been harping all day about the belief that I thought scum were trying to frame me as bad. Marmot comes in late and does not hesitate to do the exact opposite of that. While I appreciate it at face value, I can't help but be skeptical in retrospect.

Accused sprit of tunneling. This again feels a bit too easy. Marmot's responses to the case against me are very one-note: the case is misguided. I don't know what I did to earn this level of trust.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:54 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:49 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:43 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:49 pm I can't hunt right now and really shouldn't be posting at all. But I've made lots of posts on other subjects. This is just the thing that caught my attention and bothered me when I woke up this morning. If you want to see other things, I invite you to look at my post history. There's stuff there that's not this.

Also I disagree that self-defense isn't hunting. I am trying to understand sprityo just as much as I am trying to clear my own name.

Who are you and what have you done with supaSloondog?

supaSloondog has been replaced by supaSchooldog.

Is that why you asked sprityo to bus you?

This is one of the posts that people are reading as weird. I can kind of see it. Never before has anybody implicated that sprit and I are partners. This clearly is not meant to be taken seriously, but the idea of sprit and I orchestrating a hardcore distancing ploy comes completely out of leftfield here, and completely ignores the very substantial Luna wagon that he'll eventually flop onto.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 5:31 pm [VOTE: sprityo] aubergine

Counter-counter wagon engaged!

Votes for sprit. I'm generally appreciative of an open mindset and a willingness to consider new suspects, even at pivotal/late moments in a phase. But the concern here is not unreasonable. Luna, as we now know, was bad. Marmot has not even touched the case against her, focusing all of his energy on simultaneously defending me/criticizing sprityo. This both runs counter the proposed theory of Sloonei being the target of scum framing, and serves to indirectly protect Lunalee.
Outside of my acknowledgment, this "counterwagon" never gained any steam

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 5:41 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 5:35 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 5:31 pm [VOTE: sprityo] aubergine

Counter-counter wagon engaged!

I like the vote and would be willing to entertain it. But it seems people are not budging from the two established wagon at the moment. Care to expand on why this your vote?

Because his suspicion of you is circumstantial, and his treatment of you henceforth is based on that predetermined idea. This is based on only a few posts as I'm not fully caught up.

As for a Sloonei vote, I'm mildly interested. sprityo's concern was that you're pushing the narrative (which is not uncommon from you), but I haven't seen that in what I;ve read.

What I have not seen yet are reasons for Lunalee votes. Can anyone point me to those? Turnip Head, care to give a reason why I should force a tie with my vote?

Elaborates on his sprit vote and then tells us that he hasn't seen the case against Lunalee, which seems odd because I remember posting my version of it like five different times during the phase, and several other presented their own lengthy arguments as well. If Marmot was reading the thread enough to be well-versed in Wagon 1, I don't see how he could have missed Wagon 2 entirely.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 6:39 pm I really like that post from Sloonei more than I like the case against him. Unfortunately, I don't have time to read the link you posted Sloonei.

[VOTE: Lunalee] aubergine

No ties please (don't listen to turnipface).

Here's his final post up to now. He casts his vote for Lunalee at least despite still not being aware of the case against her. He references a specific post of mine that he likes, but I'm not sure which one. It doesn't seem like he should need to justify his defense of me given the prior evidence in his post history, so his introductory sentence here feels a little awkward and out of place.

Marmot's ISO is wonky as hell, even for him. I see what his thoughts are, but I have trouble figuring out where they come from or why he has them.
[mention]Marmot[/mention] my questions for you are: Why was it so easy for you to defend me on Day 2? Why was sprit your primary candidate? And how was it that you were reading the thread without any awareness of the case against Lunalee?

also if you come back to us today, it'd be helpful if you told us who you think we should lynch and stuff.

Quick Simon ISO

Simon wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:13 pm I vote Colin because spoons said so!

Votes for Colin Day 1, deferring to me. I don't mind this vote from Simon. I believe he's only got limited time to access the thread, so he's gonna have to defer to the case he finds most preferable. Not knowing the alignments of just about everyone who was on the lynching block Day 1, this vote is more or less NAI for me right now. I could make arguments either way, but it would all be pure speculation.

Simon wrote: ↑Mon Sep 24, 2018 11:38 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:39 pm also, side-eye at everyone treating this as a mislynch right now when that information has not been revealed, and there's a weird ass dangling orange G

What are you talking about mega , mega man can not be bad You're talking nonsense.

Sloonei, do you still think Colin is bad?

Jack, why did you vote coliniscool?

I'll see what I can do to help catch a baddie next time.

Comes back after the lynch to ask a couple questions specifically about Colin. So far Colin has been his primary focus. Interesting but, again, without knowing what Colin's alignment was, it is difficult to say much about this.
Simon, why did you want to talk about Colin so much?

Simon wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 7:35 pm Hello !!! so I am just joining a vote Lunalee band wagon since she has 8 votes.

Here's the vote that people have latched onto. In the limited context of Simon's few other posts, this does not look quite as terrible as it's being made out to be. On Day 1 Simon deferred to me on his vote, and then later asked me to follow up on my read. This indicates that he has perhaps identified me as a player that he trusts. Given that Luna and I were the only two lynch trains yesterday, it makes complete sense that that Simon would opt to vote for Luna. The timing of it, again, is something that I see more as a factor of his availability.
That said, his wording is not entirely inspiring. For instance he does not mention me in his vote, which runs counter to the theory that his goal is to lynch Not Sloonei. Instead he specifies that he's following the bandwagon on Luna, which... isn't as inspiring, I guess.

I feel like Luna's treatment of Simon is the more condemning aspect of the case against him. If I'm going to vote for him, it's because of that rather than Simon's own posts. But even that is far from definitive IMO.

looking at marmot next.

This makes some sense

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 29, 2018 9:54 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Sep 29, 2018 9:50 pm ^Right. Colin was probably more of an option. Point is, it looked chaotic and not like an environmemt to put a safe distance or bus vote in. Plus, the whole «he should try harder» tell lingers on Nova being town. Or at least not mafia. I’m realizing there’s two third parties also that may or may not be a threat. That is when no reveal flips sucks and I don’t know what to do with that. Looking for Lunamates mainly.

I didn't really think about Colin. @Sloonei You were floating him as a candidate, but did he ever actually have much traction as a wagon early on in the day?

Colin had some traction but not a lot. By the end of the day he was a distant memory on the fringes of the discussion.

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 29, 2018 9:45 pm nova and Bullzeye were both voting for me. Before Luna's vote nova had nutella, Sloonei, Colin, Jay and my own feelings about doing the same. I stopped counting at post 657.

Looks like a bus to me, pals.

I do not follow your logic to make this a bus.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Sep 29, 2018 9:41 pm Looks like I should go back and check unless someone does a step by step. Not going to do it now though.

Going off memory, I had a few lingering votes on me, but my name wasn't really circulating in the discussion at the time. Eloh was the name that had been principally settled on for a little while, but then someone suggested nova and a few votes started switching over. Luna arrived on the scene at that point, took one look at nova, and declared that he "could be trying harder" then left her vote with him before vanishing again until early in the night.

Quin's name came up shortly after this, but Luna was apparently long gone by then.

Colin's name was also being floated at the time.

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 29, 2018 9:37 pm nova was leading before I gained all that traction at the end. Luna was (presumably - she didn't use a vote tag) the last vote on him before all that but she voted for him before I said the thing all you losers piled up on.

That's a bus.

disagree. that's a bloodthirsty scum trying to make an easy lynch happen.
ur town too though.

Also I'm cooling off on my sprit case a little but not completely yet. I still don't like his case on me, but that doesn't have to mean he's bad.

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 29, 2018 9:03 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 29, 2018 8:59 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 29, 2018 8:46 pm I believe the imprisoner is town. Keeping maybe half of the reason to myself, here's what I'll say about it.

This site has a history of giving silenced players the benefit of the doubt the day they're silenced. I was almost lynched Day 1, so you could say that being imprisoned effectively protected me from yesterday's lynch. This is also the reason why it's unlikely that they're scum. I suppose it's possible that if they're bad they foresaw a Luna lynch incoming or didn't like my pursuit of her and wanted to silence me, but she wasn't in a terrible position at the time.

Do you have any theories as to why a town silencer/imprisoner would target you?

Because they think I'm good.

So do they also protect you from harm while imprisoned?

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 29, 2018 8:46 pm I believe the imprisoner is town. Keeping maybe half of the reason to myself, here's what I'll say about it.

This site has a history of giving silenced players the benefit of the doubt the day they're silenced. I was almost lynched Day 1, so you could say that being imprisoned effectively protected me from yesterday's lynch. This is also the reason why it's unlikely that they're scum. I suppose it's possible that if they're bad they foresaw a Luna lynch incoming or didn't like my pursuit of her and wanted to silence me, but she wasn't in a terrible position at the time.

Do you have any theories as to why a town silencer/imprisoner would target you?

Poll’s fixed, thanks Epi. I’m gonna vote for your son now.
[VOTE: Simon] aubergine

For the sake of keeping it close between him and the marmot.

Turnip Head ain’t scum.

Actually it appears the poll is locked and was set for 24 hours. [mention]Epignosis[/mention]

I decided I’d prefer to lynch Marmot or Simon today over sprit, but not which of those two I think is more likely to net us a bad guy. But if my vote is stuck pointlessly on Bullzeye for the day then I guess it’s up to you all to do what’s best.

Is it just me or are votes not changeable?

sprityo wrote: ↑Sat Sep 29, 2018 7:10 pm outside of nova and KNess who havent post yet and i dont think one the inactives would have been targeted.

So either it was a one time use thing. or

Sloonei is the imprisoner.

Why?

sprityo wrote: ↑Sat Sep 29, 2018 7:05 pm Let's see all your bogus reasons for suspecting me, come on.

im waiting

show. me. the money!

$$$

Thanks guys, now tell me which parts you do and do not like. All of that analysis is for nothing if we don't talk about it.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Sep 29, 2018 5:23 pm Good thoughts Sloon. Some I agree with, some I don't.

Which ones go in the "don't" category?

I forgot to mention that implicit in my town lean on Bullzeye in there is also a town lean on Dizzy. But Dizzy was a strong town read going in, so I neglected to bring it up.

Taking a break from studying, so here's some luna analysis:

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 11:59 am

Infected_alien8_ wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:32 am

Spoiler: show

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:02 am

Infected_alien8_ wrote: ↑Fri Sep 21, 2018 10:48 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Sep 21, 2018 10:45 pm

Infected_alien8_ wrote: ↑Fri Sep 21, 2018 9:51 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Sep 21, 2018 9:06 pm

Hello. We have not played together. Tell me about yourself.

Pleased to meet you.

Umm, I'm a 20 year old guy who isn't very interesting.

Yourself?

I am an exceedingly interesting 26 year old male.

What’s your deal in the game of mafia?

Well consider my interest piqued!

What do you mean by 'deal''?

What's your playstyle? Where do you come from? How long have you been playing? What do you look for when you're playing?

I'm not really sure how to describe my playstyle. I tend to interrogate people a lot, and my intuition has often proven to be pretty strong.

I come from a community I've been a part of ever since I was 12 or so, I've grown up alongside the people there and got some close friends there

I've been playing forum mafia for about two and a half years

I read posts and listen to what my intuition tells me about them, so I don't really actively look for anything specific, I just let my reads come to me -but obviously ultimately I'm looking for scum, even if I'm scum myself I try to trick myself into genuinely looking for scum but I have a difficult time doing that. And of course I look for fun!

What about yourself?

Got any "intuition" reads yet?

Gentle prod of the alien. This tells me nothing much yet, but it exists.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:19 pm Long Con's posts strike me weird. He apparently didn't read the rules or his role pm, and instead askes all game-mechanic questions in thread. Concerning the mafia recruitment aspect, he asks: It's still up for grabs?
Then posts a bunch of questions on how to approach this game: What are we dealing with here? How do we even mafia in this game?
Then asks, "have recruitment decisions been made?"
But then suddenly understands everything well enough to place a vote on speedchuck based on his game mechanic questions.

I don't view Long Con as being an ignorant player, which is why all his questions confuse me. Is he bad and trying to look like an ignorant townie? Or is he really that bad at reading the rules? I would be okay with voting Long Con today.

Her first real substantial post is critical of Long Con. Good look for LC.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:21 pm Also, lynching speedchuck on day one is just straight up lazy. Come on people, we can do better than that.

Quin called her out for this right away. Good look for Quin, bad look for speedchuck, though that's tempered by the same thing I cautioned about earlier: luna and chuck are a married couple. It's not unreasonable for either of them to be eager to defend the other. That said, given what we now know about Luna's alignment, these sorts of posts deserve scrutiny.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:35 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:30 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:19 pm Long Con's posts strike me weird. He apparently didn't read the rules or his role pm, and instead askes all game-mechanic questions in thread. Concerning the mafia recruitment aspect, he asks: It's still up for grabs?
Then posts a bunch of questions on how to approach this game: What are we dealing with here? How do we even mafia in this game?
Then asks, "have recruitment decisions been made?"
But then suddenly understands everything well enough to place a vote on speedchuck based on his game mechanic questions.

I don't view Long Con as being an ignorant player, which is why all his questions confuse me. Is he bad and trying to look like an ignorant townie? Or is he really that bad at reading the rules? I would be okay with voting Long Con today.

I'm voting for Long Con in hopes that we can generate discussion about this post. This does reflect a pattern in Long Con's posts where he starts off in apparent ignorance of the game mechanics and then works his way up. It's possible he was just getting a feel for things and now he understands what was happening. Or something else. Let's talk about it.

Really? What games has he done this in, and was he town or mafia?

Excited for me to lend support to her LC case. Another good look for LC. If they're partners, this is some hard early distancing. I don't think it is, but I'm willing to hear arguments to the contrary if there are any.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 8:23 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 5:28 pm Eloh thinks i’m good and bad at the same time

Sounds like a very townie mindset. Eloh I mean.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 8:23 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 7:46 pm I like Luna's post about Long Con looking suss.

Hi Colin! I like you too.

A couple of posts about now-dead players. We don't know the alignments of Eloh, Jay, or Colin. But Eloh was Mega Man, who by all indications is not bad. Jay and Colin were both nightkilled, and to me Jay makes more sense as the scum kill. Colin has the markings of a vig kill, though that's just speculation.
Anyway, Luna disputes Jay's scum lean on Eloh, which I take to be a retroactively good look on DeceasedDeadyJay. Her response to Colin is innocuous and I hesitate to read too much into it. I could see it as a response to a teammate or a civilian.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 10:35 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 9:35 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:21 pm Also, lynching speedchuck on day one is just straight up lazy. Come on people, we can do better than that.

Which day 1 votes would not be lazy? Bad point, Lunalee.

No, 48 hours is plenty of time to riddle out a reasonable lynch candidate without falling back on poor "well he's usually scum" fallacy.

Previously-alluded to good look for Quin. Like with LC, if these two are partners this is a fairly convincing distancing ploy early on. I find it even less likely here, given the defensiveness in this response. I also feel like it adds a bit of credibility to the theory that chuck & luna are partners in scum as well as partners in life. I can see this post as more than your standard defense.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:32 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 12:30 am [VOTE: ColinIsCool] aubergine again. Because his posts don't offer anything strong to hold onto and if anyone's an opportunistic bad guy of those 5(!?) voters on me right now, it's him.

Holy shit 5 of you decided to vote for me? Get those off. Shameless emotional appeal incoming: I've been screaming for this game to start for a month. Don't lynch me on Day 1. Not to mention that I'm town.

Guys, Slooni might be town. He seems genuine.

I have no reason to comment on Luna's treatment of me (someone else can take that up if they want), but I'm highlighting this post because of what's missing from it: I voted for Colin. Luna then comes in to offer support of me. She makes no mention of Colin. Bad look for ColinIsDead.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:32 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:30 pm Wait, why the nova lynch?

OH. Wow, Nova's ISO is pretty empty. It doesn't look to great. I'd rather lynch him than Eloh, who's actually been trying to contribute.

This thing. This was where my suspicion of Luna was born. It's also a fairly good look for nova, though it should be noted that he'd at least be a decent candidate for a Day 1 bussing. This does not look like that, however, and I choose to read it as an opportunistic baddie trying to hop on a very easy bandwagon.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Sep 24, 2018 4:03 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Sep 24, 2018 1:10 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 24, 2018 12:53 pm

Simon wrote: ↑Mon Sep 24, 2018 11:38 am Jack, why did you vote coliniscool?

He appeared to be my most lynchable suspect at the time but I didn’t realize people were about to move/had just moved to Eloh. The perils of doing the dishes during EOD.

I'm in a similar boat. EOD was right around the time dinner was ready, and I didn't make it in time. I was surprised to see Eloh back on top, because last time I had glanced in, it seemed like most were accepting that Eloh was genuine, and moving on to Colin or nova.

What was the case on Colin? I didn't know he was a counter-wagon

This should have been a huge red flag. A few posts ago I highlighted how she supported me for my Colin case while ignoring Colin altogether. Now she's just finding out that Colin was Day 1 counterwagon. I'll take this as another slight negative against Colin, for whatever that's worth. If he was indeed bad, our task is much easier. We should not bank on it, but neither should we rule it out completely.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Sep 24, 2018 4:20 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 24, 2018 4:10 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Sep 24, 2018 4:03 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Sep 24, 2018 1:10 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 24, 2018 12:53 pm

Simon wrote: ↑Mon Sep 24, 2018 11:38 am Jack, why did you vote coliniscool?

He appeared to be my most lynchable suspect at the time but I didn’t realize people were about to move/had just moved to Eloh. The perils of doing the dishes during EOD.

I'm in a similar boat. EOD was right around the time dinner was ready, and I didn't make it in time. I was surprised to see Eloh back on top, because last time I had glanced in, it seemed like most were accepting that Eloh was genuine, and moving on to Colin or nova.

What was the case on Colin? I didn't know he was a counter-wagon

Colin essentially said Sloonei’s play here reminded him of his play in Greece, specifically the way Sloonei treated him when they were mafia partners.

This was not well received as comparisons to his Sloonei treated a mafia partner would necessitate Colin also being mafia in this game. Ergo, Colin’s case on Sloonei is fake. Ergo Colin is scum.

I saw that, but his point was that Sloonei was placing a vote and making up a reason for it. Would scum Colin be that stupid?

Fairly straightforward exchange with Jack. Doesn't tell me much, but at a glance it seems like a genuine conversation and not something rehearsed or touched with the sense of two teammates faking an interaction in the thread. Very slight town lean for Jack here.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:55 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:39 am

Spoiler: show

Let’s just sort some shit.

Bullzeye - Bad vibes but he appears to be trying the correct townie amount to make things happen if that makes sense. I suspect this is a stylistic clash but it’s hard to tell having not played with him before. Slight townlean. Merits ISO.

ColinIsCool - Destroyed Night 1. 50% chance killed by the mafia. Suspected Sloonei in a way that gained him some flack so possible vig hit as well. (Dare I consider a sker on the Syndicate?) Slight scumlean but probably consensus town.

DFaraday - Null. Come on, DF.

Dom - Null. Come on, Dom.

DrWilgy - Null. Come on, Doc.

Infected_alien8_ - Bad vibes. Kinda ignored them cause he’s new to me. Scumlean. Merits ISO.

JaggedJimmyJay - Destroyed Night 1. 50% chance of being the mafia hit. Acting different from normal so there’s a chance he was a vig hit. Few players flat out said Jay was bad, though. Townread.

K-Ness - Need more. Slight townlean.

Kylemii - Null. Come on, Kyle.

Long Con - Feels right. I sense town effort, not scum agenda. Townread.

Lunalee - Her willingness to defend her hubby who is statistically unlikely to be her scum partner feels town motivated but I still need more from her. Townlean.

MacDougall - Initially felt very town for mindmeld and aggression but I’m wavering a bit. Townlean.

Marmot - Null. Come on, Marmot.

novaselinenever - Townlean. Votes poured in on him too quickly and his reaction seemed genuine.

nutella - Townlean. Very loose. A bit swingy but that’s Nutella sometimes.

Quin - Townread. It’s a secret why.

Simon - Null. Come on, Simon. Likely not w/w with Sloonei.

Sloonei - I’ve gone back and forth. Overall, there’s not much in the way of red flags but I consider myself pretty bad at reading Sloonei. I think I may have identified a scumSloonei tendency but I’m keeping it in my back pocket. Slight townlean.

speedchuck - Null. Hasn’t really said much besides naysaying some shit. Come on, Speed.

Soneji - Null. Come on, Soneji.

sprityo - Townlean. It’s a secret from everyone.

Turnip Head - Scumlean. I don’t see the town/neutral TH I’m used to seeing. For someone so excited about this game, he hasn’t been very present.

White - Null. Has this slot posted?



So I’d probably shoot an inactive if it were up to me.

Nice analysis Jack. I would bet there's at least one mafia among the low/lazy-posters. We should look into DFaraday, Dom, Dr. Wilgy, Alien, K-Ness, Kylemii, Marmot, Simon, Speedchuck, Soneji, and sprityo.

(ignoring White for now. they aren't even playing)

That is sort of a long list, but I think it's a good place to start. I'll add my own analyses later.

Major player salad. I'm inclined to agree that these low-posters are likely to include a baddie or two, especially after reading this post.
Another good look from Jack, btw. She is piggybacking off his analysis.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 11:50 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 11:23 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 11:15 am @Marmot I ask you to give me a single read on a person. Or more if it pleases you.

And to answer this question, everyone is mafia until I have proven otherwise.

I don't like Marmot.

Now this is something that I could see as distancing. It's small and innocuous, but it puts some unmistakable space between the two of them without really endangering anybody.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 4:32 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 4:31 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 4:25 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 2:18 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 1:59 pm

DFaraday wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 1:16 pm I know if I try to catch up from the beginning I'm never going to catch up, so I'm just coming in now and will go from here. Does anyone know why Day 2 might have been skipped?

My first guess would be that one of the roles of a dead player (Eloh, Jay, Colin) had a condition which would skip the following day phase upon their death, but I have no direct evidence of that. This is just the most common condition I've seen for skipped phases in my mafia experience.

Skipping a day phase is a mafia/anti-town power, yes?

So... either Mega-Man dying caused a bad guy's condition to trigger (way to rub salt in that wound), or Jay/Colin were townies that died and caused the bad guy to trigger (still sucks), OR one of Colin and Jay were somehow bad and their role let them hit us hard when they were vigged. I had a scum role once that would roleblock every townie in the game the night after I was killed. Something like that.

OOOORRRRRRRRRRRRRR

Maybe some arrogant townie said COLIN IS DEFINITELY SCUM and had a one-shot power to trade a day phase for a free kill, sort of like a lynch controller but without the facadarce of votes and wasted day-phase time.

I've been ruminating.

Dang, that last option seems far-fetched, but if that happened, whoever did it deserves to get lynched.

Even if they were right?

no, not if they were right. but we have no way of knowing.

Good look for Dead Colin here. I called out Luna earlier (I think. Don't remember if I ever actually articulated this in a post) because this post set of posts didn't seem to consider the possibility that Colin was bad.

This post probably deserves a separate analysis. I want to present it here so it's not totally ignored, but I'm not going to uncover it right now, in the interest of time. I'm already spending more time here than I wanted to.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 2:24 pm

K-Ness wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 2:14 pm I'm leaning on sloonei and Jack today. What's the reasoning behind the votes on Luna?

I've finally posted enough to start looking scummy. It happens every game.

I could go either way on K-ness based on both sides of the visible interaction here. Will have to take a closer look at him to determine what seems more likely.

Here she reiterates sprit's (bogus) case against me before lending her support of it. This was kind of the final nail in the coffin for my Luna suspicion. My tunnel vision on sprit has lead me to read him as bad, and this post doesn't totally dissuade me from that. It's not the emphatic support/piggybacking that she offered for Jack's analysis earlier. This is more tempered and cautious, and her support is not so clearly stated until later. It looks like she was trying to justify her vote for me through sprityo's argument without appearing to be connected with him.

Speedchuck calls attention to the issue and makes her state her position clearly. I take this as a good look for speedchuck, if sprityo is indeed bad. Luna is evidently trying to tiptoe her way onto the Sloonei bandwagon, but Chuck Man won't allow it.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 6:52 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 6:36 pm

Bullzeye wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 4:54 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 5:19 pm Analysis post part 1:
Bullzeye gives his reason for voting Quin. He dislikes Quin's questions, and even after Quin provides a valid response, Bullzeye responds with basically "I'm going to say your response looks fake because I'm so set on voting for you." Not the best look.

This is such a generic criticism that it could be applied to nearly every vote in nearly every game ever. The majority of votes happen because one person suspects another and that person's responses don't satisfy the accuser. What one person finds valid, another might not. I didn't find his explanation believable.

Oh, hi! You. You are the one.

[VOTE: Bullzeye] aubergine

I was starting to feel bad for suspecting Bullzeye for a lame reason, but then you just jump in and back me up. Why?

Good look for Bullzeye. Maybe I should move my vote.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 11:21 am

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 11:12 am

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Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 10:33 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:07 am

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 10:45 pm Speedchuck you are pinging me in all the right places so far. It's unsettling

Can you talk more about this? I'm interested. It seems that you have some reads that goes against the grain. Are you committed to getting these players lynched? I don't see a lot of effort to convince others. I don't know your play style or anything, so this is more of an observation. I'm very much interested in hearing your thoughts about Speed and if your LC suspicion exist still.

It stems mostly from how speedchuck assembled his reads list.

It started here:

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speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:08 pm Bullzeye
DFaraday
Dom
DrWilgy
Infected_alien8_
JackofHearts2005
K-Ness
Kylemii
Long Con
Lunalee
Marmot
novaselinenever
nutella
Quin
Simon
Sloonei
speedchuck
Soneji
sprityo
Turnip Head
White

Working on a list.

So he starts with only some town reads, which is like, okay, some people process their thoughts like that. No yellow or orange reads yet which means that there was nothing pressing on his mind about bad guys yet.

Twenty minutes later, it looks like this:

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speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:27 pm Bullzeye
DFaraday
Dom
DrWilgy
Infected_alien8_
JackofHearts2005
K-Ness
Kylemii
Long Con
Lunalee
Marmot
novaselinenever
nutella
Quin
Simon
Sloonei
speedchuck
Soneji
sprityo
Turnip Head
White

Updated list.

Only two more civ reads given out, for Kyle and sprityo. But sprityo is colored a brighter shade of green, and he revises his coloring of JackofHearts2005 to match the sprityo color. Looking back at the context of the thread, Jack and sprityo were the two players that speedchuck was currently interacting with in between his first list and his second one.

Keeping all this in mind, all other names are colored either the yellow or the orange color and it looks slightly haphazard. Simon stands alone with his own shade of yellow on Speedchuck's list, this gives an unearned sense of depth to the list imo, as if Speed has thoughts about Simon that he's not sharing, which feels disingenuous because Simon's not exactly lighting up the thread with posts. It feels like a fake read.

His read on Luna feels a little fake here too, yellow. Speed and Luna are married iirc and they usually have some interaction with each other, if he had her as yellow I'd expect some heavier thoughts about it, but he's mostly avoided the topic of Luna, as you can see here.

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speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 9:25 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 9:00 pm Hot Take ™: At least two of the following are bad: Jack, Sloonei, Quin, Luna, Speed.

I mean, yeah prolly. Why is this a thing?

Chuck sounds kinda scared of nutella here Why did he want to comment on this? It feels like he was provoked by this post yet is trying to downplay his reaction to it.

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speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 2:05 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 1:40 pm ok so I see sprityo vs sloonei as town on town. I think sprit is reading too much into sloonei's perspective. It makes sense to me that Sloonei would be cognizant of his own position and gameplay, and what might be happening in relation to himself. The fact that Sloonei brought it up in the thread makes me less likely to suspect him, while it seems to have made sprit more likely to suspect him, so we diverge there.

I also disagree with Jackofhearts2005's read of speed. I think speed is tapped into the pulse of the thread, but I think he's doing so from a baddie angle. I don't like the progression of his reads list, and if I can figure out how to articulate why, I will do so.

I haven't really tried to justify my reads until asked. If you want clarification or if you do have questions to articulate, let me know. I won't defend myself, but I will be happy explain anything you find confusing or weird. If you want.

I'd like to know how your Sprityo read progressed, though. Please.

"I won't defend myself" sounds like a buzz phrase that Speedchuck is trying to knock off his Bad Bot Bingo board.

hmmm this is good analysis. I especially like your thoughts on his weird multi-step rainbow construction, because that did seem a little odd but I didn't really know what to do with it. But yeah starting with some town POE and then throwing on the yellows and oranges like that... could be fake.

Of all things to comment on about this analysis. I didn't know the way a rainbow list was created could be alignment-indicative

Goes out of her way to defend speedchuck again. Bad look for him, but... then there's my previous point. I'm not sure what to do with chuck and sprit right now, but I could see either one as being partnered with luna.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 12:09 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 12:06 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 12:04 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 11:42 am

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 11:21 am

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 11:12 am

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Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 10:33 am

It stems mostly from how speedchuck assembled his reads list.

It started here:

Spoiler: show

So he starts with only some town reads, which is like, okay, some people process their thoughts like that. No yellow or orange reads yet which means that there was nothing pressing on his mind about bad guys yet.

Twenty minutes later, it looks like this:

Spoiler: show

Only two more civ reads given out, for Kyle and sprityo. But sprityo is colored a brighter shade of green, and he revises his coloring of JackofHearts2005 to match the sprityo color. Looking back at the context of the thread, Jack and sprityo were the two players that speedchuck was currently interacting with in between his first list and his second one.

Keeping all this in mind, all other names are colored either the yellow or the orange color and it looks slightly haphazard. Simon stands alone with his own shade of yellow on Speedchuck's list, this gives an unearned sense of depth to the list imo, as if Speed has thoughts about Simon that he's not sharing, which feels disingenuous because Simon's not exactly lighting up the thread with posts. It feels like a fake read.

His read on Luna feels a little fake here too, yellow. Speed and Luna are married iirc and they usually have some interaction with each other, if he had her as yellow I'd expect some heavier thoughts about it, but he's mostly avoided the topic of Luna, as you can see here.

Spoiler: show

Chuck sounds kinda scared of nutella here Why did he want to comment on this? It feels like he was provoked by this post yet is trying to downplay his reaction to it.

Spoiler: show

"I won't defend myself" sounds like a buzz phrase that Speedchuck is trying to knock off his Bad Bot Bingo board.

hmmm this is good analysis. I especially like your thoughts on his weird multi-step rainbow construction, because that did seem a little odd but I didn't really know what to do with it. But yeah starting with some town POE and then throwing on the yellows and oranges like that... could be fake.

Of all things to comment on about this analysis. I didn't know the way a rainbow list was created could be alignment-indicative

So you disagree? You don't think it's odd that he didn't start with any scum reads?

Not really, no. Most people don't post unfinished rainbows like that, so you don't know which way they started them. If speed were scum, he probably would have been more careful with creating the list and would not have posted it until it was done.

Okay, fair. What do you think of the placement of Simon specifically?

I don't know. I feel like everyone in the game is hesitant to go after Simon because he's younger, and they want to give him a chance to play. Perhaps that's why Speed wasn't sure how to place him, and he ended up in "not-acting-town-but-don't-want-to-go-after-him-orange"

Big ole shrug when pressed for a Simon read. Bad look for him.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 12:37 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 12:31 pm IF Luna is scum, she's using a technique I use when I'm scum. You'll often find me taking the townie with the most suspicion on them and defending them to the death. If that's what Luna is doing to me, that could be a bad sign.

As an addendum, I probably read Luna worse than everyone else on this site BECAUSE I know her in person. Look at my track record. It's disgusting.

@Lunalee Why are you so certain about me being not-scum?

I'm not completely certain. You're posts feel townie to me, and I really want to think we're on the same team here.

Gun to my head, this is a good look for Chuck. I'm open to other interpretations though.

After that there are a couple posts where Kyle kind of grills her and I take those as good looks for Kyle.

I agree with the people who've said Marmot and Simon look bad in relation to Luna, but there's only a single post for each.

I came out of this feeling slightly better than I did about speedchuck going in. I'd probably be willing to put him in the lowest tier of town reads now.

Long Con and Quin both come out looking good for their interactions here. Jack has two small points in his favor and nothing more. The way in which Luna went after nova looks like a baddie who smells blood in the water. Good look for nova. Bullzeye had a few small points in his favor and I should change my vote off of him, though I kind of want him to see that it's there and respond to my concerns. The other suspects don't need my vote right now anyway.

I maintain that sprityo looks bad, though I can't say there's anything definitive here. Just one small point about which I had previously passed judgment.

Reiterating the main point of my sprityo suspicion: This is part of a much longer post in which sprit responds to some previous accusations I had made. What I especially do not like in this post is his categorization of the hypothetical situation in which I would be town. He describes it as an " unlikely scenario", but the events he goes on to describe are A) not all that unusual and B) hardly involve me at all. My challenge to him was that he did not seem to be considering my side but was just pounding home an argument against me. This post only strengthened that feeling. His argument is about things going on around me, and he frames everything negatively against me. This is textbook tunneling. Given the context, in which I believed, and still believe, that I would have been a lynch priority for the mafia team, I take this to be more of a bad look than a good look for sprit.

I would like to hear more thoughts from him today. He has apparently held onto some of this suspicion despite Lunalee flipping scum. I don't recall him having much to say in other areas of the game.

To those who think Luna and I are partners, I’ll ask this: what was the mafia team’s strategy on Day 3? After buying ourselves an extra nightkill, we then conspired to make sure that one of our own was lynched? The only instance of a proposed counter-wagon that anyone seems to be acknowleding is my suggestion of sprityo late in the day, but this was only an off-hand response to Turnip Head raising a nova wagon instead. I was simply stating my preference.

I also ask you to look back at the development of my case on Luna and assess it in its entirety. Only if you think I am a valid suspect, that is. There’s no reason to spend time on these things if you don’t think I’m a good lynch today and your time will be better spent elsewhere.

Somebody with more time than me reallt should ISO luna for all of her mentions of and interactions with everybody else. Please and thanks.

[VOTE: Bullzeye] aubergineVote
OMGUS. Don’t like his vote, even if it is defined as a “placeholder”.

On an unrelated note, every post in every game is an effort to “control thr narrative”. We wouldn’t bother saying things otherwise. I get accused of that often and it’s always meaningless.

I have a busy weekend so I don’t know if I’ll really be an active participant today.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Sep 28, 2018 2:29 pm Could be right. How does sprityo/Lunalee look?

Don’t know. I haven’t looked into it yet and won’t have time to for a while. But they were the two players I marked out as having potentially contrived suspicions against me yesterday. Neither suspected me at all on Day 1, but I became the top suspect for each of them Day 2. I shared my sprityo case prior to Luna’s flip and it was never really picked up by anyone. He’s someone we should talk about.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Sep 28, 2018 2:20 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Sep 28, 2018 2:19 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 28, 2018 2:10 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:29 pm sadly though it looks like I have missed the end of day, I don’t even know what luna’s Flip is yet

Am I the only one who think this stinks?

Nope.

Why tho

I can read it as a fake continuation of his suspicion on me. It almost seems like he went put of his way that he didn’t know Luna’s role.

But I can also see it as a town post. If sprit is bad, I struggle to see what he gains from pretending to push against me in the same way as he had been immediately after we’d lynched one of his partners.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 28, 2018 2:10 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:29 pm sadly though it looks like I have missed the end of day, I don’t even know what luna’s Flip is yet

Am I the only one who think this stinks?

Nope.

sprityo wrote: ↑Fri Sep 28, 2018 12:28 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Fri Sep 28, 2018 12:19 pm I'm not on board with the Simon sussers atm, it feels like the wrong direction to take.

He wouldn't need a coach to make those posts anyways, and I don't find his posts inherently suspicious.

He doesnt have enough content for us to judge effectively. there's some other areas on interest we can look at. I want to swing on marmot. i think

I am down for a Marmot Press. I still haven’t done my homework on him, but the memories I have of his presence at the end of the day align with what I might expect from Luna’s teammate trying not to implicate himself.

Speaking of luna saying things, I did a super cursory glance at her posts yesterday for speedchuck mentions and only found three innocuous references. That didn’t feel right and I urge somebody with more time than me to look at it. I feel like I remember her talking about him a few times.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Fri Sep 28, 2018 12:19 pm I'm not on board with the Simon sussers atm, it feels like the wrong direction to take.

He wouldn't need a coach to make those posts anyways, and I don't find his posts inherently suspicious.

I thought the suspicion was more about how luna treated him than anything he said himself.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Sep 28, 2018 12:14 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 28, 2018 10:27 am Who cased Luna first? If it was Sloonei, that’s a good look for him. If it was Nutella and Sloonei cased her later while pushing to lynch different people, that’s a really bad look.

Pretty sure he was first. Started back in d1

Night 1 is when I remember really looking at her first. Right after Eloh’s lynch ended I went back to look at the deadline activity. Luna’s push on nova seemed like textbook scum to me. It didn’t help that she then started pushing me vaguely on Day 2.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Sep 28, 2018 12:01 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Fri Sep 28, 2018 3:34 am@Long Con talk to me about Luna’s scummates

Simon is probably bad. Still some lingering Jack suspicion for me. Maybe Marmot? How many inactives do we have now?

DFaraday and Wilgy still haven’t done much. Dom popped in earlier to say he’ll be around later. alien has been missing for a week.

Hot take: Sloonei is getting nightkilled

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 28, 2018 9:35 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:50 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:48 pm Still down for a Nova wagon if there's enough people who would lynch him over Sloonei and/or Luna

Can I interest you in some sprit?

This is part of why I think Sloonei and Luna are teamed.

Sloonei cases Luna but actually wants Sprityo lynched even though Sprityo is obvtown.

Is there something wrong with having multiple suspects?

And quin was apparently silenced. Make of that what you will.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 11:45 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 11:28 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 11:19 pm hi

hello. where are you at in terms of being caught up? got any thoughts to express?

I'm catching up on this phase. Nutella and Quinn are bad.

Nutella is very not bad after today.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 11:19 pm hi

hello. where are you at in terms of being caught up? got any thoughts to express?

K-Ness wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 10:35 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 10:22 pm

K-Ness wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 10:11 pm I am too naive for this game and really rely too much on night powers. It's true that Realms spoils players.

Your perspective is valuable and I always enjoy having the influence of other communities on our games here (and vice versa ).
Please ask questions or just state your confusion if at any point you feel your head spinning.

I appreciate that. I'm not used to relying so much on instinct. It makes me appreciate being able to ask people about their targets at night and threading together the facts. In this game, it's more about how the players are posting, which I've been trying to wrap my head around.

It’s a different animal for sure. My first HC Realms experience was a huge culture shock. I nearly got lynched on Day 1 and had no idea why, all because people wanted me to roleclaim and I wasn’t used to playing in games where that was even legal. Our rules against info-dumping provide a challenge when trying to fully implement Realms-style gameplay here, but I definitely think there’s insight that can be provided through the lens you guys bring with you.

At the same time I encourage you to try to dabble in our style(s). There’s no right way to play mafia, and experimentation helps keep it fresh.

K-Ness wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 10:11 pm I am too naive for this game and really rely too much on night powers. It's true that Realms spoils players.

Your perspective is valuable and I always enjoy having the influence of other communities on our games here (and vice versa ).
Please ask questions or just state your confusion if at any point you feel your head spinning.