The Syndicate

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 29, 2018 3:35 pm I actually don't have an answer for that. It was random, but if the RNG had given something like 3 mafia in one house I'm not sure if I would have changed it or not. I went back and forth on that question for months.

At this point I would have probably left it that way because individual houses matter less in this version of the game then they did in previous ones. But that's trying to predict how I would think in an hypothetical scenario, so meh.

This is more or less what I was assuming. I always assume roles are assigned randomly unless the host specifically says otherwise. Random assignment does not mean it's impossible for each house to have had a Death Eater, just as it does not make it impossible for all of the Death Eaters to end up in the same house.

So was the pursuit of Hufflepuff suspects a legitimate thing, or was that just sly devils creating a false narrative?

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 2:27 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 2:19 am Obviously you and I were never in this game at the same time and I’m sorry this was your experience of the game, and it’s unfortunate to have subbed in under these circumstances. I hope that you’ll give us another chance. I can only speak for myself, but in my time on the Syndicate I’ve felt like this community is one of the most respectful and inclusive of any I’ve come across, online or otherwise.

From a purely philosophical/strategic point of view, every single player’s voice and opinions matter just the same in the balance of the game. Things can’t be solved in full if we’re not all weighing in and hearing each other out, ideally speaking.

And I hope that your emergency has cleared up and all is well.
My grandfather passed away at 91 years old. He had pneumonia, a stroke, and got a little bit better. But then landed back the hospital with double pneumonia and died in the evening of the same day. I got to see him some before he died. I went to his funeral, and I know he is in a better place right now.

I felt bad for you. Generally, I don't like to replace out as I know the chaos that I'll leave behind, and most times whoever subs into my slot can't fill the shoes as well or defend against whatever I previously said. I'm thankful that you didn't get mislynched though.

I’m sorry for your loss.

No sweat at all on the legacy. I only received suspicion late in the game when the suspect pool was wearing thin, and I hadn’t done a whole lot to clear my own name. You done good.

I’m pretty sure I was originally supposed to replace nova. I appreciate him being killed before that could happen because I did not want to be bad.

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 2:17 am @DharmaHelper one thing to be aware of you were far too happy or not phased by multiple townies dying. Nutella had the correct townie response to multiple townies dying, but then you on the other hand "thought it to be good news". It's one thing to say it's good news about narrowing down suspicions, but when there's 1 to none mafia deaths and like 3 townies die, your mood is a dead give away.

Luckily for you, that didn't matter this game. But if I was alive and hadn't subbed out, that would have been maybe something I might have seen or looked at.

This was not a thing I paid any attention to, so things might have gone better if you stayed.

I never gave any thought to lynching DH because there was no chance at all he was a Death Eater. I wanted to catch them, and he was not one of them. Then I easentially gave myself up by opting to protect him rather than use my Thestral the night I died.

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 2:10 am
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 2:04 am
Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 2:01 am
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 1:47 am
Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 1:44 am Or it could be forum bias? Well, whatever it is, congrats on nearly fooling everyone.
Thanks, and I look forward to finding out the reason you suspect me the next game we play together
I don't know if I'm playing here again. Yeah, I could have talked to dunya about it, but I was thinking of quitting a few times before the family emergency. I guess I'm of the opinion that I shouldn't need to talk to someone to get through a game.
I hope its not anything I did. You're a fun player. All the best
At this point, I don't know what triggered it. It could be you and inh, or it could have been something else. I guess somewhere I felt belittled or that my reads didn't matter or no one was listening or who knows what.

I guess it just seemed a bit rougher than what I'm used to or something.

Obviously you and I were never in this game at the same time and I’m sorry this was your experience of the game, and it’s unfortunate to have subbed in under these circumstances. I hope that you’ll give us another chance. I can only speak for myself, but in my time on the Syndicate I’ve felt like this community is one of the most respectful and inclusive of any I’ve come across, online or otherwise.

From a purely philosophical/strategic point of view, every single player’s voice and opinions matter just the same in the balance of the game. Things can’t be solved in full if we’re not all weighing in and hearing each other out, ideally speaking.

And I hope that your emergency has cleared up and all is well.

I was certain Colin was bad right until the end.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:25 pm Aw so my blocking colin let sloonei die sorry sloon

I fucked up quite a bit in this game but I think that's is the only one that made an actual difference lol

I could have thestral’d that night but I didn’t.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:08 pm probably the most annoyed I have ever been following a game as a corpse

I was screaming at my phone when luna was being lynched.

spooky ghost noises

My favorite character has always been Professor Binns.

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 14, 2018 8:15 pm mudbloods

@dunya we can't allow such rampant racism to permeate this game. i suggest expelling quin's ghost from hogwarts.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Nov 14, 2018 5:44 pm meanwhile in real life I fell getting out of bed this morning and hurt my knee and scraped the skin around my eye and then just now at work I might have accidentally deleted an entire person from existence so tbh this tracks, how's everyone else's day going

This is the part I’m most concerned about.

hi i’m nearly headless sloon

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Nov 14, 2018 2:04 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 14, 2018 1:46 pm
sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Nov 14, 2018 1:40 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:02 pm @DharmaHelper the competing wagons before jack/poutanko were me and sprit. It was never sprit vs. jack.
it was sloonei vs sprit

then it was jack vs sprit

then it was jack vs pout
We're splitting hairs here, but in anticipation of a question nobody's asked: I didn't see you and Jack as competing wagons because, once the wagon started up against Jack, its opposition was the wagon against Poutanko. You had votes on you before this all started to happen, as did I. But I don't remember a time when the discussion in the thread was "One of Jack or sprityo has to go!" It was you and me for a while. Then Jack popped up as a suspect, and poutanko was lumped in with him. You were adjacent wagons, but not competing ones in my eyes.
yet you stayed on me and kept it tied. i vote pout, then luna and you hopped on, then nutella, then i voted off pout onto jack

timmer voted off me onto jack then and finally nutella switched to jack

My vote stayed on you because my mind was not made up. Again, I don't think the thread was ever a competition between you and jack. You were separate candidates at different points in the day who happened to overlap.

I do not think this is an important issue. Do you suspect me for anything that's been said here?

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Nov 14, 2018 1:40 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:02 pm @DharmaHelper the competing wagons before jack/poutanko were me and sprit. It was never sprit vs. jack.
it was sloonei vs sprit

then it was jack vs sprit

then it was jack vs pout

We're splitting hairs here, but in anticipation of a question nobody's asked: I didn't see you and Jack as competing wagons because, once the wagon started up against Jack, its opposition was the wagon against Poutanko. You had votes on you before this all started to happen, as did I. But I don't remember a time when the discussion in the thread was "One of Jack or sprityo has to go!" It was you and me for a while. Then Jack popped up as a suspect, and poutanko was lumped in with him. You were adjacent wagons, but not competing ones in my eyes.

Mac's posts today are against the grain enough that I continue to feel good about him. He's resisting ideas that are established in the thread and unlikely to be broken up by scum manipulation. I don't see a Death Eater pursuing that nutella angle right now, for instance. He'd be focusing on spinning the lynch against a realistic target rather than questioning the established town core.

Someone could say he's trying to create doubt in our minds, but I don't read his post as aggressive enough for that to be his play. It reads more like a townie who hasn't quite crossed a bridge that some other folks have, and he's not gonna let himself be dragged there unwillingly. I'm very close to removing Mac from my POE. I just haven't looked at his interactions with the other dead scum yet.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 14, 2018 8:02 am So the biggest argument for nutella = town is at the very end with her casting a critical vote on Jack.

Hmmm ... I am left fearing her but I will begrudge that it's hard for me to see, given how much flipping around is on her meta and she has already done it here, that she wouldn't have found a way to get her vote onto Poutanko at the end of day to save Jack if she was his teammate.

That being said ... she is/was in the box seat at the top of many town lists and Jack does still live so it's a good way to make oneself look amazing. But in a game with cops coming out of our ears ... nah you play the smart play and go for the save don't you? You've got to keep your team alive, bussing is not an option there.

Healthy skepticism is in order imo. I have seen enough to not take for granted her alignment. I would consider Timmer, juliets, lunalee, Pout and DH as above reproach at this point.

Her interactions with Jack all game long were pingy right until her vote and her interactions with LC and INH were not much better.

She spent day 5 trying out so many different options and none stuck.

But, alas, her vote is on lynched Mafia at the end of the day.

Forgive me for the paranoia nutella, if you are town. I can't help it.

Effort. Tone. Track record of pestering both LC and Jack. Maybe even INH too, but I didn't realy look at those interactions. I've said it before, but nutella bouncing around from one place to another is generally a good sign. Granted that's an easy thing to fake, especially as idiots like me continue to confirm her for it, but the fluidity of her reads has been too natural for me to treat them as fake in any way. That, and she was the deciding vote in the Jack lynch yesterday. I don't buy the theory that the mafia team saw Jack as expendable because of his Horcrux. There was no need to expose that shit, and his play over the last few hours of the day felt both like it had been blown up unexpectedly by DH, and then like he was very intent on spinning the lynch against Poutanko. Nothing about that suggested he or his potential teammate(s) wanted to sacrifice him.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 14, 2018 7:10 am I hope Timmer shoots at Jack tonight to save us the trouble of having to lynch him.

Can anyone summarise why we are assuming there are 5 Mafia? I feel like that might be light with the amount of town strength floating around.

The biggest point for me to assume 5 and not a bigger number is that we've now had to kill two Death Eaters twice (INH & Jack). I feel like the madness of the civilian roles is offset by the ability of the mafia team to prolong its own lives. Also that the Death Eaters have access to the same pool of powers as the rest of us, plus their own additional ones, and the ability to collect Hallows as they kill folks.

I don't think it's impossible that there'd be more than 5, but I feel comfortable guessing that that's the number. 6 would put us at a 3:1 ratio if I'm not mistaken, which is dicey under any circumstances. This has simply been a fortunate game for civilians. Vig kills always have the potential to backfire, but they've apparently been fairly successful here. A dead Death Eater every night for 3 nights to start the game (if I'm not mistaken again) is not something I'd anticipate as a host designing this setup.

I had a look at kara's posts. She had a lot to say to/about Long Con but I'm completely split on it. New players (as in totally new to the game of mafia) are my kryptonite. They're making it all up as they go regardless of alignment, so it's extremely difficult to pin down a motivation on anything they say.

I need a break anyway. If I'm right that it's either colin or kara then that's cool and I feel like we're in good shape. But we should give everyone some scrutiny who deserves. Turn up the pressure on all these suckers. yadda yadda. go team.

Quinny Quinquin:

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 10:12 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 10:09 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 6:04 pm Hey gang! I have two votes now, LOL.

HAH HAH.

LOL.

Anyway I have no time to read or do anything; I’m at a Pittsburgh conference. Did I already say that? Dunno.

RIP my meta 5ever

Someone tag me and give me a convincing argument for a vote and I may follow you, assuming I get a chance to check in.
If I posted this, Jay would vote for me.
Would that vote be justified?

Generic Day 1 Quinpost

Holy crap there's nothing again until Day 4.

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:43 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:40 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:37 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:36 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:34 pm Speedchuck just confirmed himself as scum and that his teammate is in Slytherin. Nice!
I don't get it. Please explain while I sit with my legs crossed and listen nice a nice boy.
diricrawl cannot switch actions directed at one person to another, diricrawl can only switch actions directed at the owner to another. speedchuck has maintained the first, which is a mechanical impossibility.

he also says his floo powder buddy is the reason for this, who can only be a Slytherin since they last won the house cup.
Speed is saying his floobuddy (who is Kara because she already said so) dirticrawler switched herself with Speed.

Therefore, someone who have had to misdirect Kara and him for his info to be wrong.

He’s still bad but you misunderstood.
and juliets also claimed being redirected.

They argue over the mechanics of speedchuck's claim. Jack's entire involvement during Day 4 should probably be studied. In isolation, this exchange doesn't hurt Quin, but it's not telling enough for that to be a strong stance.

Jack is in both versions of Quin's 6-person POE pool. Okay.

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 10:41 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 10:36 am @Quin @Sloonei

What do you think of my assertion that Colin can only be mafia if Pout is mafia and even then, it requires Pout to play in a needlessly risky fashion?

Furthermore, if this is the case, that’s probably the mafia. Pout and Colin. Your other suspects are all town.

Does this affect your scumread on Colin at all? Is a Pout/Colin scumteam plausible to you?

Anyone else who suspects Colin but is Pout agnostic or pro Pout should answer this question.
I don't know why pout has to be mafia when I think of my own theory of why Colin is bad. But to talk about pout, I'm at least wary about the idea that scum pout would cop claim so...openly? If that's the word for it. Pout's been wrong about one check already and if Colin is bad that makes two. It's suicidal.

Jack asks a joint question for Quin and I. Quin's response is pretty much the same as mine. I wasn't in agreement with the premise of Jack's question that Colin and Poutanko must be bad together. It's obvious why that's the case now. That Jack is framing this question for the both of us seems to suggest that he was lumping Quin and I into a singular category. That category is "civilians who might be persuaded into voting for poutanko". Good look for Quin, I think, but I'm open to other interpretations.

That's the end of it. There's surprisingly little here, but the bits that do exist don't point to a teammate relationship. A look into Jack's interactions could prove more fruitful, but I don't know if I should devote the time to that right now. If I don't get to it tonight and live to see Day 6, that'll be a top priority for sure.

Rankings based on the four ISOs I just did

Mac
Quin
Kara
Colin

I'm almost feeling confident that we'll find our last Death Eater in either Colin or Kara. I could go either way and my analysis tonight has not been close to comprehensive. A more completely picture would certainly bring new information to light.

Mac&Jack

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 5:21 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 5:19 pm Can you unpack that scrotum read, Mac?
I'll unpack your scrotum if you're not careful.

I am thankful to be missing the context of this post.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 6:06 pm The Jack and Mac attack is back. Leggoooo.

Mac draws full attention to an apparent association between him and Jack here. Even for a ballsy player like Mac, I don't think this is a teammate interaction. It seems too spontaneous.

Lumps Jack in with some other under-the-radar players. This appears to be Mac's first explicit mention of Jack in terms of a read. I hesitate to call it player salad, because Mac is referring to a specific quality which can be assigned to a number of players in the game at this time, Jack included.
I like this post overall.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:15 pm
insertnamehere wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 10:33 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 11:20 pm INH- Eh...stop worrying about what other people have to say about you and do something worthwhile with your life, unlike David Lynch.
This is just good advice for me in general.
This interaction is the most eyebrow raising because it almost seems like in thread coaching.

No interactions with:

Colin
DH
Glor
Poutanko
Quin

Poutanko and Glor makes sense. The other three not so much.

If INH is really Mafia, I'd clear nutella, lunalee, Jay and Jack.

I don't know why Mac says this. 3 of those 4 names look good. The other one does not. If he doesn't go on to explain it, I'd like to hear his reasoning even though this was like a month ago.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:16 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:12 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:08 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 9:32 pm MacDougall, find the bad people and the good people.
INH interacts very little with scum teammates. It's his meta. He is not someone that dances around with wifom distancing tricks from what I have ever seen.

Who did he interact with exactly zero times?
Exactly zero
Colin
poutanko

Functionally zero if not literally
Bullzeye/speedchuck
MacDougall
Quin
So why is my interaction with him functionally zero and not Jack's which is almost identical in that it was a one emoji reply to a sarcastic insult? Like Jack and my interactions with INH were legitimately as identical as it can get without being literally identical.

Refers to Jack in an act of self-defense. I don't know if BadMac calls attention to his teammate like this right here.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:25 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:20 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:15 pm If INH is really Mafia, I'd clear nutella, lunalee, Jay and Jack.
Why Jack?
I don't see Mafia Jack saying what he said about Mafia teammate INH.

I believe this is what Mac's talking about. Obviously incorrect, but this does not strike me as a bogus read. It's a pretty obscure thing to focus on, which usually suggests honesty in my opinion.
I think that's three points in favor of Mac to zero points against him so far. Already the cleanest smelling of the bunch.

Following the same progression, he's "feeling good about Jack". He lists Long Con at the opposite end of this list, for reference. While wrong, I don't think this read looks insincere.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 4:46 pm Counterpoint all these rational people think I am scum but Jack has me as a top town read. Is Jack buddying me?

Healthy skepticism.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 9:35 pm I want to hear from Jackoflurks2005.

Ain't nobody escapes the watchful eye of Mark Dougall.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 5:22 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 5:20 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 4:48 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:31 pm I have no idea what you're trying to tell me.
Anyway. You express uncertainty about Mac and I going after DH, and then my removing myself from that dialogue.

What do you suspect is the mafia agenda which may exist underneath that behavior on the part of any of the three? If you don't mean to suggest a mafia agenda, what is the source of your uncertainty?

speedchuck, you too.
The mafia agenda is obvious.

Scum DH doesn’t want to be suspected and defends himself accordingly.

Scum Mac wants to breakup the towncore.

Scum Jay sees a t/t squabble and pushes it but then takes himself out of it.

If there are multiple scum players here (unlikely, given the estimated number of scum left and other suspects), distancing would be a factor.

I’m not sure why you’re asking this question. You seem to imply “there is no possible scum motivation for the behavior of these 3 players.” Is that what you believe?
You had me as locktown before this. What have I done to make you tinfoil?

A rift is emerging. Given that this is a light hypothetical from Jack, I'm not sure the post would merit a response from a teammate here. I can't not see Mac as town in all of these interactions, apparently.

Gives Jack a 6 out of 10 on his player ranking scale. That's on the good side of average. Okay.

A big old waffle on Jack in a list of more detailed reads. I don't love this, but I don't hate it enough in the light of the rest of these interactions to be severely bothered by it.

And then that's the end of it. There wasn't much of a progression here, but in such a way that it looks more like Mac was genuinely not all that conscious of Jack. There are a few moments of abrupt interaction that feel too spontaneous and unmeditated for them to be teammates. Based on the three ISOs I've just done, Mac is the player I'd be least inclined to lynch. I have no major issues to point out. If anyone has something to say against Mac, please do. I'm slapping a town read on him in the meantime.

poutanko wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 11:40 pm ...I think Sloonei is Town. The timing of Jack/Luna claim is close to EoD. Say, if the wagon on Sloonei continued and he flipped town (I think I see someone wanting the wagon to continue), that would give more cred to their claim because of "correct check". I'm just not sure if Luna-Jack are scum buddies, that's too crazy. It's the timing that bothers me. Did Jack claim before or after DH's pressure?

Something to keep in mind is that we presumably only have one scum left (not counting Jack, who is essentially just Peeves at this point). This means that any potential connections between two non-Jack players probably aren't actually indicative of anything.

And also, Luna is town for sure. I know I have the privilege of knowing my alignment, but her claim is absolutely insane if she's scum. She did it solely to save me late in the day, when she's been in the clear for most of the game. There's nothing even remotely close to a decent reason for a bad lunalee to do that right there.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 11:44 pm But you may have a point that there wasn't much prompting to bring it up at the point that he did. And the rest of the case on Colin is solid; I also had an orange interactive read of him and Jack. I feel like I had reasons to townread him (beyond pout's check) but the bad things might outweigh the good here.

Yeah, my point is more about Colin specifically bringing it up there rather than whether or not Jack had mentioned anything about the Floo code. I mean, I was fully aware that he had some sort of coded chat going on with somebody in the thread, though I wasn't aware it was established in a Floo chat or anything like that. Given Colin's relative silence on Jack for most of the game, that comment struck me as a rather pointed observation.

Kara's mentions of Jack:

Spoiler: show

Moving on to Jack's interactions then:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 31, 2018 10:56 am
karavalenge wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 5:33 pm I think Gryffindor is suspect since the murder occured in front of their common room.
This checks out.

Sarcastic support of a mechanical theory which I know nothing of.

Total silence until Day 3, at which point he lists kara as a "Toss up" in a tiered list of reads.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:13 pm Kara, Mac and (drumroll please) a deepwolf are my POE.

Cause I never ever have only wolves in my POE. So why bother dig into my townleans at this point? Just wait for some flips.

Day 4 now. Kara, mac, and SOMEBODY UNNAMED are Jack's POE pool. Cool. Neat. I'm unsure what to make of Jack's total silence on Kara til now. Kara, outside of sprit, has been the quietest player in the game. On the one hand, you'd think that's the type of player scum like Jack would want to include in discussions if they're town. On the other hand, it's perhaps possible that Jack just wanted to avoid being caught going after an easy target like that, or he sincerely overlooked Kara. I'm not sure what I believe, and I'd probably need to take a more thorough look at Jack's posts to really have much confidence there.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:34 pm @speedchuck

Why did you tell Kara who you think the vig is?

Goes after speedchuck for sharing information with kara.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:40 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:37 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:36 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:34 pm Speedchuck just confirmed himself as scum and that his teammate is in Slytherin. Nice!
I don't get it. Please explain while I sit with my legs crossed and listen nice a nice boy.
diricrawl cannot switch actions directed at one person to another, diricrawl can only switch actions directed at the owner to another. speedchuck has maintained the first, which is a mechanical impossibility.

he also says his floo powder buddy is the reason for this, who can only be a Slytherin since they last won the house cup.
Speed is saying his floobuddy (who is Kara because she already said so) dirticrawler switched herself with Speed.

Therefore, someone who have had to misdirect Kara and him for his info to be wrong.

He’s still bad but you misunderstood.

Interesting that Jack emphasizes speed is bad here, but leaves kara out of the judgment altogether. This after he lists kara and mac as the primary occupents of his POE pool. Not a good look for kara.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:41 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:39 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:34 pm @speedchuck

Why did you tell Kara who you think the vig is?
So that when I die my knowledge lives on. I think Kara is town.

Considered telling the rest of the thread, too.
But Kara is in like every scum poe.

"Kara is the universal suspect." Unsure what to make of this. Speedchuck is one of the few people sticking up for kara here, and Jack slaps him for disagreeing with the consensus. But I'm still not seeing any discussion of kara from jack.

still in that poe

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 4:09 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 4:02 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 3:53 pm @nutella
Why are you voting Kara instead of Pout?
I'm torn between them. I guess they could both be bad but I'm less sure of pout still.
What's the case on Kara? I isoed you for mentions of Kara and you've got neutral statements and vague negative statements. You just kinda declare her bad and now are more sure on her than Pout.

I know why you suspect Pout. I have no idea why you suspect Kara.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 4:15 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 4:12 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 4:09 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 4:02 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 3:53 pm @nutella
Why are you voting Kara instead of Pout?
I'm torn between them. I guess they could both be bad but I'm less sure of pout still.
What's the case on Kara? I isoed you for mentions of Kara and you've got neutral statements and vague negative statements. You just kinda declare her bad and now are more sure on her than Pout.

I know why you suspect Pout. I have no idea why you suspect Kara.
You must have somehow missed my big long post about Kara and speed in which I argue for Kara being scum regardless of speed's alignment. The main point is what was the motivation for flooing speed, seems like scum trying to get info.
And yet Jay and Speed are dead, which implies the mafia neither killed no imperioed the vigilante. Wouldn't this imply that Kara is not scum?

!

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 5:15 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 1:47 am 7 player poe
Chuck
Quin
Luna
Kara
Sprityo
Colin
Pou

Spoiler: show
To be continued.

After debating nutella's scum read on kara for a bit, jack crosses out a few names on his POE list. Kara is not one of them.

And that's the end of it. The main interaction is his brief exchange with nutella during this most recent day phase. It is very easy to read that as a Death Eater trying to delicately remove the pressure from their partner. That he continues to leave Kara in his POE afterwards could indicate that he was unwilling to establish too much of a connection between them. Outside of that, there's a near complete lack of interaction between these two. I didn't achieve as much as I would have liked in this post, and I'd need to look at each of these two in more detail if I was going to say anything definitive. But for the moment I can say that there's some visible evidence in support of a teammate interaction, though not enough to feel too strongly about it. I believe nutella has done more kara homework, so maybe just compare this with whatever she's said for the time being.

For starters, I am removing the following people from my POE definitively:
DharmaHelper
Lunalee
Juliets
nutella
Poutanko

All of them are town barring shenanigans.

I also am tentatively removing sprityo and timmer. If I have time I'll look at them, but I think they're both unlikely to be bad at this point, so I'm not prioritizing them.

That leaves me with:
Colin, karavalenge, macdougall, and quin. I've decided to include Quin because why the hell not? I read him as town, but I want to close the book on him before I officially rule him out. I'm not currently leaning toward any one player in particular and I'm just gonna work down that list in alphabetical order, so I guess here's Colin's interactions with Jack:

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 5:02 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 1:49 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 1:47 pm If 3J is bad some heavy interference has been ran by his teammates today.
Name them.

*waves sand dramatically*

Spoiler: show
*sneers*

No.

First interaction is on Day 1. Jack somewhat playfully nudges colin for an elaboration on a statement, and Colin resists. I get nothing from this yet.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 5:21 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 5:19 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 5:15 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 5:14 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 5:02 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 1:49 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 1:47 pm If 3J is bad some heavy interference has been ran by his teammates today.
Name them.

*waves sand dramatically*

Spoiler: show
*sneers*

No.
Then what’s the point of saying this?
My new meta I’m trying out is not responding to things I don’t feel like responding to. I was just giving you a courtesy call.
Based on your old meta, your new meta is scummy.

The dialogue continues with an elaboration on nothing. This is literally empty chatter. I have no trouble reading this as teammates ribbing one another, but that does not need to be the case.

Colin lists Jack as "Good" in a tiered reads list, along with INH. Long Con is in the middle "Wary" section. His "Shit List" features nobody who has flipped scum, and nova is listed quite rightfully as "N/A". Just for reference.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 4:46 pm [VOTE: JACK] aubergine. Like the cases made and I have been convinced to re-evaluate the case on Sloonei.

Votes for Jack out of the blue on Day 3. This was around the time I was first getting involved in the game, so I remember the general atmosphere of the thread but not anything too specific. Looking back, it seems there were some vague suspicions against Jack based on his aloofness and lack of reads. It's unclear what specifically Colin is referring to here and I'm not sure what to make of it, but it's noteworthy that this vote exists. There had been very minimal interaction between these two prior to this post.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:48 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:40 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:39 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:38 pm Why don't we talk, Colin? I want to pick someone's head, and you're the only person around.
Pick away
Firgive me if I missed it, but who are your townlocks? Why?

What's off about Jack?
I feel good about timmer, Epi, Glorf, and poutanko, mostly tonally they all pass the gut test. Sloonei, I think that INH vs Owner didn’t look like bussing in retrospect. I feel better about Jay than I did earlier. I think nutella looks like her civ game. I feel pretty good about you but somewhat less so because of the Bullzeye cop-out vote.

Jack, somebody made a case on him that I liked a lot. LC? I’d have to go back.

This is his next comment about Jack, and it's even more vague. Dislike. I'll also note that he slaps a town read on me here, still in Day 3. He can't find the reason he's voting for Jack. I really don't know what to make of this.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:00 pm Town: DH, timmer, Jay, Epi, Glorf, Sloonei

Luna and LC are baddies

Later nerds

Citing this post for the absence of Jack. His vote is still on Jack at this point, but he's not mentioned here. LC is mentioned though. I'm noticing there's a bit of back-and-forth between them. If Colin is bad, he and LC went for a distancing tactic. That is not the focus of this post though.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 10:06 pm I am a little creeped out by Speed thanks to the residual Bullzeye suspicion, and I do not understand his voting for Glorf whatsoever. Long Con, see above. Luna is reminding me more of her scumplay, I don’t think she believes every argument she’s making.

Townlocks are timmer, juliets, 3J, maybe Jack. Poutanko still looks good to me.

This is Night 3. Colin never announced a vote change off of Jack, but a look at the polls tells me he ended up on Long Con. I'd like to know what changed. Maybe he'll address that as I keep looking. But this is a jarring post.
I'll also note that I distinctly recall not liking the case against luna around this time. Colin is pushing it consistently.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 1:40 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 12:39 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 12:47 am @ whoever rezzed INH

I'm not mad, I'm just disappointed. And you're fucking nuts.
Might not have been on purpose.

[Crucio]: This spell will torture a student, roleblocking them for a night and forcing them to reveal what spells they know.

[Imperio]: This spell will take control of a student’s actions. Any abilities they use will be redirected to a target of the user’s choice. The student being controlled cannot be forced to self-target. This ability can only be used once in the game on each player.

It’s one thing to rez a scumbuddy and waste the town’s time. Meaner to force a townie to burn their one shot rez one a wolf.
Well, if somebody used a rez that wasn’t on INH, speak now plz

Jack talks about INH being resurrected. Colin responds with a casual statement. Jack's post is distressing in hindsight. If he and Colin are teammates, do they strut their stuff around their successful teammate-resurrection right here? Maybe. Maybe not.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:25 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:21 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:19 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:14 pm Ok, I have been debating this at work and have decided that given the confusion about the night actions I should at least clear one of them up (or make it more confusing).

When I got Glorf's role card I was blown away to see that he had the Phoenix. I suspect he was waiting to use it if JJJ died but of course I don't know for sure. So I promptly did what Colin has been begging everyone to do and I used it, targeting Turnip Head. When dawn came I felt punched in the stomach to see that INH had been rezzed. I suspect I was targeted with Imperio though the only way that makes much sense is if the mafia already knew where the Phoenix was. I mean, why would they target me of all people with Imperio?

So mix that into the cake batter and see if we get a less lumpy cake - or is it now more lumpy?

lots of linki which I will read now
Did Glor fail N1 or more likely N2? If they misdirected you into a dead player, they had to know you had a phoenix.

This means scum misdirect shenanigans very unlikely to be the cause of Speed/Quin discrepancy.
Oh this is a good point. So glorf must have tried to use it and failed and maybe the mafia tracked to see he targeted a dead player
Very interdasting. So, full speed ahead on INH then.

Again, Jack is being very bold talking about the mechanics which may have lead to INH's resurrection, and again Colin is chiming in nonchalantly.

In retrospect, the INH rez has the look and feel of a smokescreen. They brought him back just to eat up another day and squash some civilian momentum. By having one player (Jack) focus on the mechanics of the issue while the other (Colin) lends his soft support in the background, I could see this as a viable mafia strategy to make sure the town doesn't venture off into too many productive discussions during Day 4.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 1:59 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 12:52 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 12:51 pm Spped
Sloonei
Luna
Quin
Sprit

POE. I think.
This just in: Colin fails to count to 7.

I'll be Jay's advocate and ask for two more.
Jack and Mac I guess.

If you're keeping score at home, Colin's progression on Jack has gone from the vaguest of vague suspicions, to the vaguest of vague town reads, to reluctant inclusion in his POE. All of this without ever actually offering a single piece of insight into the player called Jackofhearts2005.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 11:01 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 10:53 am @DharmaHelper

About Sloonei. There’s wrong and there’s teamed. If it wasn’t, would you still be voting for him?

I’m cause wrong but if that’s not what you’re thinking, this is a mistake.

If that makes sense.
Hopefully this is secret Floo speak and not you having a stroke?

Displays an awareness of Jack's floo code before it had been made explicitly clear in the thread. It wasn't exactly a secret that Jack was speaking in code. I don't specifically remember him saying it was a "floo code", though that could be taken implicitly. This is an interesting post that has the potential of being TMI, especially given Colin's relative silence on Jack outside of this moment. This is definitely something worth exploring, at the very least.

From here on out we enter Day 5 madness:

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:43 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:39 pm Okay listen up. I have use of the divination spell and here are my results:
N1 - Owner/Sloonei TOWN
N2 - Epi TOWN
N3 - used another ability
N4 - DharmaHelper TOWN

I didn't want to claim already. But it's day 5 and I don't want to knowingly watch a townie get lynched. So @timmer @DharmaHelper @ColinIsCool @Jackofhearts2005 make a better choice and get off Sloonei.

If you need further proof, look at my first rainbow read post. I listed Epi and Owner in dark green, since I had checked them by then.
So do we have consensus on whether Divination can be used in this manner (consecutively)?

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:46 pm So scumteam is Sloonei + Luna?

(Only about 75% serious here.)

Not about Jack, but I just want to note that Colin resisted Luna's claim when it first came out today. This was also the basis of Jack's claim, and it appears now that his initial intent was to frame Luna. Instead he framed Poutanko.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 2:20 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 2:11 pm My gut reaction is that if one of our cops is lying, it's poutanko. I'm not sure I think any of our cops are lying, but luna's claim is batshit insane if she's bad, and Jack's behavior, now that it's been explained, seems to make perfect sense if he's a cop trying to lay low.
Yup

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 2:22 pm My brain is very confused by being convinced that Sloobei is scum and also agreeing with him re: Jack

Colin is on board with the theory that Jack's not bad. Unforgivable, clearly anyone who's on this train of thought must be bad.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 2:51 pm People should get off sprit. Someone is lying in this trio.

He at least emphasizes that one of Jack/Luna/Poutanko is bad, but also his vote remains on poutanko, and his initial reaction was against Luna. He appears open to the case against Jack (here), but it appears that Jack is 3rd out of 3 on his list of potential bad guys here.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:12 pm Here’s a question though: why does scum poutanko cop Speed as bad knowing it’s wrong?

Expresses skepticism about the Poutanko lynch. Not a bad look. But then...

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:16 pm I don’t fuckin get anything man. Putting my phone down until later.

Throws up his hands and walks away. In hindsight, I remember Colin as kind of a peripheral presence during the end of day 5. He was here, but he wasn't a driving force in any of the discussion. That's often a role I associate with scum in hectic moments like this one. While the civilians are scrambling to get their shit together, scum tend to hang back, feeling less urgency. I don't sense as much urgency from Colin as I do from others.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 4:16 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 4:11 pm If anybody with like Protego or Wingardium Leviosa or even Sacrificial Protection wants to like...help a brother out tonight that'd be good and cool.
I used my Leviosa on Jack already to roleblock him.

Nothing guards against role manipulation quite like telegraphing your night actions.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 4:16 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 4:11 pm If anybody with like Protego or Wingardium Leviosa or even Sacrificial Protection wants to like...help a brother out tonight that'd be good and cool.
I used my Leviosa on Jack already to roleblock him.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 7:50 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 5:26 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 5:22 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 5:22 pm Although does 5 with 1 unkillable seem a bit much? Could be 4.
5 does seem a bit much.
novaselinenever
INH
Long Con
Jack
[Jack's partner]
Whoops, forgot about nova too.

In other news, Colin has done a 180 on me post-flip. This gives me pause on reading him as scum, though I can see some motivation for him to do that. It's impossible for either of us to condemn the other without also calling ourselves out, since we pretty much mirrored each other all day. If Colin is scum, he could be hesitant to go after me because that then invites everybody to go after him as well.

I don't need to use my imagination too much to read Colin as bad here. He had next to nothing to say about Jack Days 1-4, but his read on him bounced around to extreme ends of the spectrum depending on what day it was, always without explanation. That's not a good look. The piece which I think deserves the most attention right now is the potential TMI slip in this post. Is it likely that Colin was aware that Jack was attempting to communicate with a Floo partner here without any extra knowledge?

I acknowledge that nutella is posting interactive reads in the thread right now. For my own sake, I'm gonna ignore that and work on my own. We can all compare results after.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 10:06 pm P.S if nobody else is going to step up I'm gonna do some digging tomorrow into Jack/INH/Long Con's ISOs and Pepe Silvia the fuck out of it to find their teammate.

I still would like as detailed as possible a vote-breakdown but I can't expect anyone to bust their ass or break their back to produce it.

I’m on my way home to do this shit now because i’m too excited to get any actual important researxh done right now.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:59 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:58 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:57 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:45 pm Anyway all that to say:

Do I think Owner/Sloonei is his teammate? It certainly looks that way if you look at the evidence. (Owner's behavior pre-sub. Jack's Flooville Intervention to get me to pull back from Sloonei/Owner. Sloonei's behavior D5. Long Con's defense of Owner. Long Con's vote to save Owner. Long Con's insistence that Owner/Sloonei "townslipped.")

Wow writing it all out..... fuck did I catch 3/5ths of the baddie team?
But we decided LC saving owner was not teammate behavior.
We did?
Maybe it was just jay but I thought several people agreed and also sloonei's town so

It was the best read Jay could come up with and that’s all we can ask for.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:50 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:49 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:45 pm Anyway all that to say:

Do I think Owner/Sloonei is his teammate? It certainly looks that way if you look at the evidence. (Owner's behavior pre-sub. Jack's Flooville Intervention to get me to pull back from Sloonei/Owner. Sloonei's behavior D5. Long Con's defense of Owner. Long Con's vote to save Owner. Long Con's insistence that Owner/Sloonei "townslipped.")

Wow writing it all out..... fuck did I catch 3/5ths of the baddie team?
You did not.
If that's the case then you my friend fell into one hell of an oopsie poopsie.

Agreed. I do not intend to fight it. Instead I’m just gonna work on figuring out the best person to lynch instead of me.

Later tho

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:45 pm Anyway all that to say:

Do I think Owner/Sloonei is his teammate? It certainly looks that way if you look at the evidence. (Owner's behavior pre-sub. Jack's Flooville Intervention to get me to pull back from Sloonei/Owner. Sloonei's behavior D5. Long Con's defense of Owner. Long Con's vote to save Owner. Long Con's insistence that Owner/Sloonei "townslipped.")

Wow writing it all out..... fuck did I catch 3/5ths of the baddie team?

You did not.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:36 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:33 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:32 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:31 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:29 pm Also it goes without saying that Sloonei looks Primo Garbo after D5 but my certainty in that regard is clouded. On the one hand it looks Primo Garbo.

On the other hand, if I caught 3/5ths of the mafia team, my head would explode trying to contain my ego.
Explain?
Explain what? I'd be happy to.
Why Sloonei looks bad after D5
Defended the balls off of Jack.

And Jack went out of his way to try and get me to back off Owner/Sloonei. And when I told Jack "What if you got a bad check." He was like "I guess."

Then he said something like "Could be that potion or w/e that makes people turn into other people...Polyjuice?" like he didn't know what Polyjuice was. Spontaneous Utterance.

I never breathed a word about polyjuice potion.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:33 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:32 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:31 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:29 pm Also it goes without saying that Sloonei looks Primo Garbo after D5 but my certainty in that regard is clouded. On the one hand it looks Primo Garbo.

On the other hand, if I caught 3/5ths of the mafia team, my head would explode trying to contain my ego.
Explain?
Explain what? I'd be happy to.
Why Sloonei looks bad after D5

Jack tried to town clear me, I voted for Poutanko instead of Jack, I “scum-slipped”, I argued strongly for everyone but the scum we eventually lynched, etc.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:29 pm Also it goes without saying that Sloonei looks Primo Garbo after D5 but my certainty in that regard is clouded. On the one hand it looks Primo Garbo.

On the other hand, if I caught 3/5ths of the mafia team, my head would explode trying to contain my ego.

I agree and I won’t discourage any vigilantes taking aim at me tonight. I’d prefer that didn’t happpen, but I’d suspect the shit out of me after today if I didn’t know any better. I’d like to have some time to catch a baddie myself before I go though.

poutanko wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:17 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:04 pm
poutanko wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 8:56 pm ColinIsCool, Sloonei, Lunalee, Jackofhearts2005
SCUM
We lynched Jack and he is indeed scum. Now we presumably have one left, plus Jack again. I doubt all three of us are bad.

Sorry for almost lynching you, but we can’t just stop playing mafia when you go to sleep. You were a suspect. People voted for you. The timing was unfortunate but that’s just part of the game.
A suspect for what? Because I have wrong check? I was not suspected, what did I gain from claiming? Almost roasted. And the other 2 "cops" who somehow claimed only when there are only 3 hours left and whose results is yet to be proven are good. How? And both voted me together with you while I was sleeping. Nothing to see there right? "Unfortunate timing".

There were a number of factors and it was not as simple as one point about your check on speedchuck. I never said there was nothing to see. I’m saying the opposite, if anything. There’s plenty of meat there. But it wasn’t like we just shrugged our shoulders and piled on you because you were sleeping. The timing was unfortunate because you weren’t here. I remarked on this at the time. I’ll never apologize for voting for a player I suspect, but I do regret that this all happened while you were away. I’m not in control of these things. It’s the game.

Luna’s claim is sparkling in my eyes. She’s probably my strongest town read in the game as a result of it. I town read Jack at the time of the lynch for a similar reason. His behavior did not, and still does not, make sense coming from a baddie unless he’s just trying to confuse us. Your claim seemed to have the lesst going for it.

But none of this matters right now and I think we should treat it as water under the bridge. You were allost lynched, but instead we caught a bad guy. Now we’re one step closer to winning the game. Let’s work on figuring out the next step in that process. In all likelihood we have just one baddie left to catch. Who do you think it is?

poutanko wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 8:56 pm ColinIsCool, Sloonei, Lunalee, Jackofhearts2005
SCUM

We lynched Jack and he is indeed scum. Now we presumably have one left, plus Jack again. I doubt all three of us are bad.

Sorry for almost lynching you, but we can’t just stop playing mafia when you go to sleep. You were a suspect. People voted for you. The timing was unfortunate but that’s just part of the game.

[mention]DharmaHelper[/mention] the competing wagons before jack/poutanko were me and sprit. It was never sprit vs. jack.

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 8:04 pm She did present one, I see reference to it but haven't found it yet. Maybe she could put her hands on it quickly.

Also, I hate to even bring this up, but what about Mac? I'm worried that he hasn't really been around.

My short list is mac, kara, and colin. I plan to look at all three later.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 6:15 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 6:14 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 6:03 pm Up/Down chances of Jack/Sloonei actually being a team?
You think I got a rigged cop check on Sloonei?
IDK, Just something funky about Jack clearing Sloonei/Owner to me in Flooville.

This is the main reason I voted Pout over Jack. This behavior doesn't make sense to me from BadJack Horcruxman. Which is to say I agree with you, but the funkiness is not coming from me.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 5:56 pm You’re going to need to take that back, Nei, cause I still haven’t been lynched.

Yes you have. You just haven't been killed.

oh wait i wanted to post this in response to nutella and i teaming up to lynch jack days ago, but then that never happened:

Interactive reads between Jack and others should definitely be the first order of business. People who don't have hours and hours of homework to do right now should get on that.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 5:22 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 5:22 pm Although does 5 with 1 unkillable seem a bit much? Could be 4.
5 does seem a bit much.

novaselinenever
INH
Long Con
Jack
[Jack's partner]

Yeah, anyone who's able to kill should be firing away tonight.

Does anyone object to this list of possible Jack teammates?
Kara
Mac
Colin
Sloonei

included myself because people would definitely object if i didn't. sprit is the only name i'd really give serious consideration to adding to the list, but i'm not currently inclined to do so.

And I’ve cooled off just tge slightest bit on my sprit town read. I could see him and jack conspiring to bus him for town cred here. It’s a longshot theory, but I won’t dismiss it.

Given that we’ve now had to kill two Death Eaters twice, I can’t imagine there’s more than 5 total

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 4:11 pm If anybody with like Protego or Wingardium Leviosa or even Sacrificial Protection wants to like...help a brother out tonight that'd be good and cool.

Who would be your first guesses for Jack’s teammate(s)?

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 4:02 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 4:01 pm nutella
Luna
Juliets
DharmaHelper
poutanko
Quin
timmer
Sprit
kara
Mac
Colin

Kara and Mac why, and what about Sprit has you changing your view?

Sprit’s vote on jack was crucial.

Kara and Mac have nothing strong going for them as civilians. Neither of them were invokved in this lynch, so I can’t say much about them there. Perhaps some interactive reads are in order, but i’ve already delayed my homework for the sake of this game long enough. It’ll have to come later.

nutella
Luna
Juliets
DharmaHelper
poutanko
Quin
timmer
Sprit
kara
Mac
Colin

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:54 pm Anyone think Nutella looks bad for jumping all over the joint then landing on an invincible Jack? Or nah?

Nah. nutella jumping all over the place is usually a good thing.

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