The Syndicate

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine

Very unlikely that I make any serious contributions today. Sorry. Life and all that. I’ll continue to chime in from the peanut gallery if I have any thoughts while I’m supposed to be working.

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 9:14 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 9:11 pm Falcon is mafia, but not a landlord.

What makes him unlikely to be paired with pyxxy? Since the two have no interactions, there's no evidence either way (unless one of them is known to be more/less likely to ignore a partner)

I have not perused the evidence for against them being partners. But his reaction to being linked to pyxxy feels like that of somebody who’s been caught for the wrong reasons.

Falcon is mafia, but not a landlord.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 11:59 am i figure you know that but wanted to say it anyways just to boost the fact that people know that I can see things

I… don’t.

I could vote for Falcon, actually.

Meh

Ricochet wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 1:41 am Good morning. I have a ton of class hours, one real-life funeral to attend, zero lunch breaks, I'll delve into ISO's of pyxxy interactions later / along the way.

Gonna unvote Ricochet so as to not make him feel bombarded right now.

[VOTE: Abigail] aubergine instead as a self-reminder to look into her when I have the time.

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 12:48 am For whatever reason pyxxy was the only one to earn a "/ 3p" rating. This is another case where I wish I knew the situation with the multiball, as if pyxxy is Porscha's only partner in this thread I don't see them doing this but if they have more this isn't as meaningful.

I would go so far as to say that this is a good look for Porscha as far as being teamed with pyxxy goes, regardless of any other potential circumstances. Assigning a Day 0 "3p" read to any player is going to stick out. I don't think Landlord A gives that read to Landlord B out of the blue.

I approve of Epi’s Delta analysis and would be willing to cast a vote there.

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 11:58 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 11:55 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 11:53 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 11:52 pm Is there any reason to explicitly suspect that Scrappy Doo is mafia?

Their go-with-the-flow reads for one and overly performative style (before they dropped it after being called out). Though if they are, they're unlikely to be aligned with pyxxy

I do not view either of these things as overtly suspicious.

Not too overly indicative of wolf, but not what I'd expect from town actually trying to solve the game; Scrappy's posts try to give the impression they're saying something important but lack the substance to back any of it up. If I wanted to confbias tunnel here, I could also point out their weird fixation on me at EoD despite supposedly having pyxxy at higher priority throughout the day; if they were partners they might have expected pyxxy's weird throw in the towel post to actually work and for some of the heat to be redirected at me. Still though, I think ITP is considerably more likely here.

I do not object to any of this. Scrappy should comment on your EoD beef.

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 11:53 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 11:52 pm Is there any reason to explicitly suspect that Scrappy Doo is mafia?

Their go-with-the-flow reads for one and overly performative style (before they dropped it after being called out). Though if they are, they're unlikely to be aligned with pyxxy

I do not view either of these things as overtly suspicious.

Is there any reason to explicitly suspect that Scrappy Doo is mafia?

[VOTE: Ricochet] aubergine

I enter Day 2 with very little impression of Rico. Is that good? Bad? Something in between?

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 9:16 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 9:14 pm There are two mafia factions. Thirty people? GoC? Two old-school hosts? There was always going to be. We now have confirmation of it in pyxxy's death.

Landlords is one.

There is another.

There will also likely be independents.

I would be surprised if the setup were anything different.

What do you make of the only one kill? Do they target different threads, or did they happen to pick the same target, or is the other team exclusively in the other thread?

We haven’t seen any flips from the other facility. I would guess there were multiple kills, but we only saw the one that targeted a player in our thread.

I took pyxxy’s flip as a suggestion if multi-ball. GoC’s have historically featured multiple mafia factions as well.

If we are in a multi-ball game, then I would speculate that pyxxy’s deflated behavior at EoD suggests they were alone in this facility.

sig wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 7:59 pm I like the Sean case from LC, but I see he and the rest of my town reads are on Pyxxy so I’ll be sheeping that for right now as I catch up and all

[VOTE: Pyxxy] aubergine

unclear if sig is aware he showed up at the literal last minute

Delta wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 7:55 pm my voters could genuinely all be town

what the fuck do I do with this

& could someone w/ prior experience with TSP run me through if their general 'idrc' vibes are AI for them in any way :,)

It's been a few years since I actively played any games with anyone. But I recall that my general feeling towards TSP in games was that the more avant garde he got, the more likely he was to be town.

I moved to falcon primarily as a means to give pyxxy some breathing room in case they were interested in doing things to save themselves. That hasn't happened. Pyxxy is my preferred option of the people substantial wagons against them right now.

[VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine again.

Caitlin wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 7:53 pm Unless ppl vote Sloonei

aint happnin

Caitlin wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 7:52 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 7:51 pm having saved that VC. I can say that I doubt we should ever chop Seanzie here

Why

That's my line

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 7:51 pm having saved that VC. I can say that I doubt we should ever chop Seanzie here

Why?

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 7:42 pm there is nothing I can do now that will change people's mind, regardless of that I don't want to

I do not feel as though there is any certainty surrounding this vote at all. If you have any thoughts to share at all, that would be super. For multiple reasons.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 7:39 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 7:38 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 7:34 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 7:33 pm I did a quick scan of pyxxy's posts. Their latest one is by far the most substantive:

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 6:49 pm

Spoiler: show

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 6:44 pm I want to know who is controlling Scrappy, AND I feel like it's distasteful to try and crack it out of him in the thread.

almost certainly can't claim puppet master bc rules

given unfamiliarity with my most recent game / didn't open or read it, yet familiarity with me

given not wanting to vote delta or whoever the other one was

given sloonei probably unlikely to stack on himself bc of self-professed "focus topic votes", which would lead to scrappy being used sooner + differently

math says caitlin

and because I'm already using this post for lots of things, scrappy = caitlin = town caitlin

that's the juice I've got

[/spoiler]

I am left feeling underwhelmed and have no reason to give this player a town read. @pyxxy you got any late-day thoughts to get off your chest?

"no reason to give this player a town read", but do you have a reason to give them a wolf read?

Delta's post did just give me one. Pyxxy's fixation on Scrappy Doo's identity could be a very easy thing to latch onto for a player who is struggling to engage with any genuine scum-hunting in this thread right now.

ah yes

because that's what my scum game is known for

failure to engage and fool people

I know zero things about your scum game.

Show me your town game.

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 7:34 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 7:33 pm I did a quick scan of pyxxy's posts. Their latest one is by far the most substantive:

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 6:49 pm

Spoiler: show

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 6:44 pm I want to know who is controlling Scrappy, AND I feel like it's distasteful to try and crack it out of him in the thread.

almost certainly can't claim puppet master bc rules

given unfamiliarity with my most recent game / didn't open or read it, yet familiarity with me

given not wanting to vote delta or whoever the other one was

given sloonei probably unlikely to stack on himself bc of self-professed "focus topic votes", which would lead to scrappy being used sooner + differently

math says caitlin

and because I'm already using this post for lots of things, scrappy = caitlin = town caitlin

that's the juice I've got

[/spoiler]

I am left feeling underwhelmed and have no reason to give this player a town read. @pyxxy you got any late-day thoughts to get off your chest?

"no reason to give this player a town read", but do you have a reason to give them a wolf read?

Delta's post did just give me one. Pyxxy's fixation on Scrappy Doo's identity could be a very easy thing to latch onto for a player who is struggling to engage with any genuine scum-hunting in this thread right now.

Caitlin wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 7:32 pm I'ma quickly ISO Pyxxy

copycat

I did a quick scan of pyxxy's posts. Their latest one is by far the most substantive:

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 6:49 pm

Spoiler: show

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 6:44 pm I want to know who is controlling Scrappy, AND I feel like it's distasteful to try and crack it out of him in the thread.

almost certainly can't claim puppet master bc rules

given unfamiliarity with my most recent game / didn't open or read it, yet familiarity with me

given not wanting to vote delta or whoever the other one was

given sloonei probably unlikely to stack on himself bc of self-professed "focus topic votes", which would lead to scrappy being used sooner + differently

math says caitlin

and because I'm already using this post for lots of things, scrappy = caitlin = town caitlin

that's the juice I've got

[/spoiler]

I am left feeling underwhelmed and have no reason to give this player a town read. @pyxxy you got any late-day thoughts to get off your chest?

Delta wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 7:16 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 7:15 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 7:12 pm Coming up to final hour x_x terrifying

Comfortable with my townreads I think? Abi/Cait/Epi/LC/Porscha/Ricochet/Seanzie/Scrappy

Probably throw Sloonei on that list? Maybe a little generous in doing so but eh, feels comfortable to me so

Are you saying that you feel comfortable with me, or are you awarding me a town read because I seem comfortable?

The former, feel comfortable giving you a townread here and seeing how things play out once there's a flip on the board

Gotcha, thanks.

Removing all your town reads, we're left with these players:

Falcon45ca
leetic
pyxxy
sig
Spacedaisy
TonyStarkPrime

Would you care to share some brief thoughts on each of them?

Delta wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 7:12 pm Coming up to final hour x_x terrifying

Comfortable with my townreads I think? Abi/Cait/Epi/LC/Porscha/Ricochet/Seanzie/Scrappy

Probably throw Sloonei on that list? Maybe a little generous in doing so but eh, feels comfortable to me so

Are you saying that you feel comfortable with me, or are you awarding me a town read because I seem comfortable?

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 7:04 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 7:02 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 6:56 pm
I have no interest in listening to people who aren't town, that is correct. If you want me to engage with you, actually say something bold or interesting.

Perhaps you should stop operating as though only bold statements are worth responding to.

I've been calling out milquetoast and meaningless statements all the time, what are you talking about?

Yes, exactly.

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 6:56 pm
I have no interest in listening to people who aren't town, that is correct. If you want me to engage with you, actually say something bold or interesting.

Perhaps you should stop operating as though only bold statements are worth responding to.

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 6:48 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 6:48 pm

sig wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 6:46 pm Also I’m 100% ignoring scrappy they’re a sock of likely an active player, they’ve got an active vote, and there’s a high chance they’re 3P imo. Having said all that we’d gain nothing from voting there especially no info

Scrappy seems to be making some reads, so it's not crazy to glance at their posts in order to be maximally informed.

Parroting everybody else's reads ≠ "making reads"

Scrappy’s read on me was not parroted, at least.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 4:23 pm
Why Sloonei high?

What I do on my days off is my business and mine alone.

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 3:57 pm
If you've played with me remotely recently, you know that poking around is what I do, especially when I don't have the time to be developing super in-depth reads. I perhaps used a bit of hyperbole to rile you up by saying "everything" is sheeping, but there is a real problem with your posts in that they don't say anything meaningful about the game state and your votes seemingly go out of the way to try to dodge any reasoning that can be used to determine alignment from either party, and the whole thing feels really dodgy. I also haven't played with you in a while but I remember you being more bold and vocal than this.

I’ve gone into retirement since we last played together. I only sign up for about 1-2 games per year now, and when I do, I take it at a much more relaxed pace. I don’t have the time or energy to be That Guy from start to finish anymore.

That relaxed pace also means I may appear to be getting off the a slow start. But I am doing what I feel I need to do in order to develop my reads. They will come out when they’re good and ready. Some of them already have.

Caitlin wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 3:40 pm Why is that wolfy

It's not. Early in games and phases, I do not often use my vote to indicate suspicion. I use it as a marker to identify who/what I'd like to put some focus on. Nobody was talking about Delta. So I put a vote on Delta so that we could all engage in some conversation about Delta.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 3:23 am I do not believe that leetic’s posts reflect the mindset of a player who is honestly trying to solve the players around them.

Following up on this thought from last night:

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 2:45 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 2:37 am

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 2:34 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 2:28 am

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 2:22 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 2:13 am [VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine because I'm interested in hearing more about Epi's observation there, and wouldn't mind some focus on them in the meantime.

You know, you can at least take a quick glance at their ISO and give us an original thought. Is your entire ISO just gonna be sheeping people?

Has my entire ISO been sheeping people?

If you ignore the posts that say nothing, yes. And I'm being generous as to what counts as "something"

I implore you to go through my posts and point out all of the ones that constitute “sheeping”.

I've already confronted you over one. Deflection much?

I do not believe that this is a genuine thought process from a player. Does that necessarily mean that leetic is mafia? No, it does not. Maybe they're just trying to conjure up reactions from me and others. Maybe they genuinely thinks they're onto something and don't recognize how off-base it is. Or maybe there is some other ulterior motive at play here. BUT this particular chain of posts is not believable.

It begins with leetic accusing me of "sheeping" throughout my "entire ISO". Even if we grant that my pyxxy vote is sheeping, I do not believe there is a single post in my ISO that can be interpreted as "sheeping" in any sense whatsoever. I say this because the claim was so bizarre that I went back to re-read my own posts to try to understand where leetic was coming from. And there is literally nothing in there that even has a little bit of wool on it.

So I asked leetic to explain what they're talking about. And their response was to just kinda blindly double down and talk down to me? So I asked a second time to support the claim, and this time their response was basically "I don't need to, stop dodging me."

This does not look like a person who actually cares about developing a read. If that was the case, they would have either provided examples of me "sheeping", or gone back to look and admitted the mistake.

It looks instead like a person who is just hurling verbiage around to be confrontational. That is a bold approach to take if he is mafia. But maybe it's simply a matter of over-compensation from a player who's trying to look like an aggressive scum-hunter. I don't know. I have not played with leetic for several years, but I do not remember them ever acting like this at all.

Caitlin wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 3:36 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 3:33 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 3:28 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 3:19 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 3:59 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 3:23 am I do not believe that leetic’s posts reflect the mindset of a player who is honestly trying to solve the players around them.

I’ll have more to say about this when it’s not 2:30 in the morning. Goodnight.

At least I'm not just saying the most milquetoast posts ever in an attempt to blend in

Regardless of alignment of any players, posts like this are simply hostile and rude and unhelpful.

Another post that's basically a deflection and says absolutely nothing about the game.

And Sloonei isn't doing you any favor by replying to it with an emoji

Nah. I told leetic that I felt like this attitude was making the game less pleasant to play. He responded by doubling down on that same attitude. I was trying to communicate a genuine frustration, and he spat in my face. Hence the emoji reaction.

This conversation is venturing into territory that I do not wish to include in the game, so I won't be addressing it any further.

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 3:28 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 3:19 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 3:59 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 3:23 am I do not believe that leetic’s posts reflect the mindset of a player who is honestly trying to solve the players around them.

I’ll have more to say about this when it’s not 2:30 in the morning. Goodnight.

At least I'm not just saying the most milquetoast posts ever in an attempt to blend in

Regardless of alignment of any players, posts like this are simply hostile and rude and unhelpful.

Another post that's basically a deflection and says absolutely nothing about the game.

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 3:59 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 3:23 am I do not believe that leetic’s posts reflect the mindset of a player who is honestly trying to solve the players around them.

I’ll have more to say about this when it’s not 2:30 in the morning. Goodnight.

At least I'm not just saying the most milquetoast posts ever in an attempt to blend in

Regardless of alignment of any players, posts like this are simply hostile and rude and unhelpful.

I do not believe that leetic’s posts reflect the mindset of a player who is honestly trying to solve the players around them.

I’ll have more to say about this when it’s not 2:30 in the morning. Goodnight.

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 2:45 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 2:37 am

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 2:34 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 2:28 am

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 2:22 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 2:13 am [VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine because I'm interested in hearing more about Epi's observation there, and wouldn't mind some focus on them in the meantime.

You know, you can at least take a quick glance at their ISO and give us an original thought. Is your entire ISO just gonna be sheeping people?

Has my entire ISO been sheeping people?

If you ignore the posts that say nothing, yes. And I'm being generous as to what counts as "something"

I implore you to go through my posts and point out all of the ones that constitute “sheeping”.

I've already confronted you over one. Deflection much?

Nope. That is not how this works. You just made a blanket accusation about me “sheeping” repeatedly in this thread. The post in question should not even qualify as that. I am not saying “I suspect pyxxy because Epi said so.” I an saying “Epi brought up a topic of conversation that I would like to focus on.”

But I digress. You just made the bold statement that my “entire ISO” is just me “sheeping people.” I am not deflecting anything by asking you to back that up. Back that shit up or stop saying things like that.

Porscha town

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 2:34 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 2:28 am

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 2:22 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 2:13 am [VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine because I'm interested in hearing more about Epi's observation there, and wouldn't mind some focus on them in the meantime.

You know, you can at least take a quick glance at their ISO and give us an original thought. Is your entire ISO just gonna be sheeping people?

Has my entire ISO been sheeping people?

If you ignore the posts that say nothing, yes. And I'm being generous as to what counts as "something"

I implore you to go through my posts and point out all of the ones that constitute “sheeping”.

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 2:22 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 2:13 am [VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine because I'm interested in hearing more about Epi's observation there, and wouldn't mind some focus on them in the meantime.

You know, you can at least take a quick glance at their ISO and give us an original thought. Is your entire ISO just gonna be sheeping people?

Has my entire ISO been sheeping people?

[VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine because I'm interested in hearing more about Epi's observation there, and wouldn't mind some focus on them in the meantime.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 1:51 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2024 5:00 pm I voted for Delta because they're the player that has been least talked about in this thread. Which makes sense because they haven't arrived at our facility yet. But they posted on Day 0. I looked at those posts. They were uninspiring.

Still voting Delta, is Delta still your number one suspicion? I ask because the reasoning here is outdated now that Delta has said more, and has three votes.

I was not home most of the night and only keeping half an eye on the thread. As things currently stand, I have not given any new thought to where my vote belongs.

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 1:23 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 1:22 am

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 1:21 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 1:20 am

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 1:18 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 1:14 am Half a brew left. If you've anything to say to me, do it now.

How 'bout I give your question back to you: who are two people ('xcluding me obviously) who you want to die?

Well, I gave you a deal that I wouldn't vote for you. You aren't peddling that same price.

I promise I won't never vote for you if you take me up on that deal.

All right.

I promise I won't never answer your fucking question.

Where is your answer then?

At the bottom of his bottle.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 1:14 am Half a brew left. If you've anything to say to me, do it now.

How would you assess Falcon's play so far?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 1:11 am Talk to be about sig.

Alas, poor sig

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 1:06 am N0:
Sig wolf

Gth abi town
Gth caitlin wolf
Gth pyxxy town / 3p

Leetic UUUUUHHH

sean was towny n0

Thanks.

I've condensed the list down to just the names that are here with us now. I trust that you'll share how these reads have developed when you're good and ready.

I hope that at least one of these people will be unable to resist the temptation to ask why you read them a certain way.

I want to ask why pyxxy has specifically earned a "town / 3p" read.