The Syndicate

Lol. Fun game, wish I could have stuck around longer.

Way to go Quin. And others, but mostly quin. Please play more

I forgot what website I'm on, RYM would have autolinked that for me.
link

Ricochet wrote:
G-Man wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
NIGHT 1 ENDS

Sloonei was walking home from work. He lived a normal life, and worked a normal job, because he was just a normal human being. He's not very adventurous and lives in his comfort zone. Sloonei is a Taurus afterall

But on this day, Sloonei encountered a strange creature.

"hOI!!!!!! i'm tEMMIE!!" it said.
Out of curiosity, I googled this Temmie creature from the night post. Does anyone here know anything about this strange video game called Undertale? If so, do you think that Temmie's presence is clue of sorts? Or are the hosts throwing out random stuff to keep us guessing?
<np><sarc><disregard>Or plagiarizing someone.</disregard></sarc></np>

Sloonei wrote:In a very strange coincidence, the RYM game I alluded to at the start of this one was Undertale-themed.
w00t. links pls. curse you RYM bannnn

https://rateyourmusic.com/board_message ... id=6223951

In a very strange coincidence, the RYM game I alluded to at the start of this one was Undertale-themed.

Nerolunar wrote:
Bullzeye wrote:
G-Man wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
G-Man wrote:I just thought it worth mentioning since people are giving Epi heat. His vote helped to save Bullzeye but it wasn't the last word. No one has yet asked me why I didn't try saving myself. You would all be wondering that one had I actually been lynched.
hey, why this?
If I had died, you guys would have wondered about my vote. I am highlighting the fact that it's treated as a non-issue today. Did nobody notice my vote or is it because I didn't die?

All other points of discussion are valid and I apologize for derailing.
It pretty much is a non-issue. You knew you weren't going to die - that explains why you didn't save yourself. You probably deliberately allowed yourself to be lynched in hopes of gaining civ cred upon surviving.
This is what I was questioning earlier. We still don´t know G-man´s alignment.

What is your point? We still don't know anyone's alignment.

Spacedaisy wrote:Two people of the same alignment? That seems highly unusual to me. When designing games I usually try to balance powers, if there are going to be duplicates of a power they are usually on opposing sides.

Llama may be lying about his lynch proof ability, but why would a civ lie about that? It would most likely invite being NKed since they can't get him lynched. If he is lying about it, it would only serve to get G-Man lynched. Why would a civ do that? Unless he knows G-Man is bad, I can't see a good reason for it. Now a baddie, yes. I could see a baddie lying about it. I think most likely one of these two is bad.

I would not be willing to dismiss the possibility that duplicate roles exist.

I think both of our near-lynches were wrong.

G-Man wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:
G-Man wrote:
Quin wrote:interesting. a lynch-proof?
Sadly, my immunity to lynches is limited to only the first one.

DrWilgy wrote:A no lynch in a Heist?

Does this help explain how bold and cavalier my posting was today?
Depends G-Mizzle muh nizzle,
What did you learn from your bold and cavalier posting? Is there anything you would like to expand upon from your notes?

Linki - Do you think Epignosis saved Bullzeye?
They are just two of my three most suspicious players right now. I will analyze the votes and posts tomorrow before the night post. Unfortunately, my gun-to-head reads are more guesswork than they are wily intuition. Right now, however, it is time for me to head to bed.

I think this post from G-man backs up everything I was reading about him on Day 1. It makes perfect sense and I believe it.

I would also take back my vote for Bullzeye now that I've read the thread more closely.

Sloonei wrote:
sig wrote:I don't like Bull's vote for Sorsha, it seems like a good excuse to cast a vote without having to back it up. I especially don't like that this is such a small game and he randomized his vote.

Thoughts on this?
It's certainly not an ideal method for casting a vote, but I can understand the sentiment. I'd like to see him at least take a stab at giving a reason, but if he sincerely felt any reason he could offer would be contrived and false, then randomizing isn't much worse. I can't help but acknowledge that's absolving himself of any guilt in the process, though. It will be damning if he remains non-committal down the line.

My initial thought on his vote is better than the one that prompted me to vote for him later on.

Bullzeye wrote:Nice to see some of you are up for an easy bandwagon on someone who isn't going to defend themselves Hadn't realised it suddenly became completely unacceptable to randomize on day 1 of a game with minimal discussion. I'd usually have voted a low poster but just didn't feel like it this time because the game has been generally pretty quiet.

I understand the thought behind his vote randomization, I just wasn't sure about it because that's basically unheard of on RYM. But I can't honestly say that much more thought went into my own vote than his. I announced that I would be putting my vote on someone who had a gripe with ~*~the llama's rainbow~*~ because that was such an easy softball thing for scum to latch onto in a fake case, but then I went with the wrong person. I should have gone with Nerolunar.

Nerolunar wrote:
Sloonei wrote:Why make a rainbow if it's so heavily reliant on pure gut reads?
Seconding this question. Im under the impression that rainbows are used when someone has a good and fairly solid idea about the various alignments of the players. Llamas rainbow just looked so random to me. Fx what´s the difference between the yellow and green colors at this point anyway? How can someone look slightly bad compared to clearly civ and clearly bad when the first 3 pages barely contained discussion?

I'm going by my gut on this and voting for Llama.

This post reads much more like an opportunistic bandwagon-seizer than anything else. My initial prodding of the llama was not concerned with calling him scum, and his response was satisfying. But this simple thing turns into a vote from Nero. Note his next post also, backs off the suspicion a little bit but still leaves the door open in case it needs to be brought back later on.

Nerolunar wrote:Im still pinged a little by Llama but not so much as before. I don´t think Im going to vote for him/her next day phase, as there will likely be better lynch candidates.

sig wrote:
Spacedaisy wrote:Uh, point to consider, G-Man survived a lynch and llama is claiming to have the same ability as g-Man. It seems unlikely to me that they would have the same role ability and the same alignment.

I agree with Daisy here, though Llama could be lying about his lynch proof ability?

i don't find it unbelievable that two people could have the same role condition.

G-Man wrote:I just thought it worth mentioning since people are giving Epi heat. His vote helped to save Bullzeye but it wasn't the last word. No one has yet asked me why I didn't try saving myself. You would all be wondering that one had I actually been lynched.

hey, why this?

Where was Epi's vote before he changed it?

thellama73 wrote:
Sloonei wrote:Bullzeye is claiming that randomized votes are not uncommon, but where I come from they sre so rare that to do it once would pretty much be a death sentence. Can anyone back him up on that?
Random voting on Day 1 is not uncommon here, but there are seveal of us who heavily frown upon it. I, personally, think it is idiocy and have never done it.

Do you think it's a strategy that would be used by a scum player in the way Bullzeye did it?

Bullzeye wrote:Nice to see some of you are up for an easy bandwagon on someone who isn't going to defend themselves Hadn't realised it suddenly became completely unacceptable to randomize on day 1 of a game with minimal discussion. I'd usually have voted a low poster but just didn't feel like it this time because the game has been generally pretty quiet.

Sloonei wrote:
sig wrote:I don't like Bull's vote for Sorsha, it seems like a good excuse to cast a vote without having to back it up. I especially don't like that this is such a small game and he randomized his vote.

Thoughts on this?
It's certainly not an ideal method for casting a vote, but I can understand the sentiment. I'd like to see him at least take a stab at giving a reason, but if he sincerely felt any reason he could offer would be contrived and false, then randomizing isn't much worse. I can't help but acknowledge that's absolving himself of any guilt in the process, though. It will be damning if he remains non-committal down the line.
What guilt is that? I didn't have a reason to vote for anyone so I just threw out a random one. It's really not a big deal people do it all the time.

The "guilt" refers to the hypothetical guilt that would normally come with voting out a player. Of course by saying "guilt" I open myself up to you being able to twist my words into an assumption that Sorsha is town, but that is not what I mean. If Sorsha had been lynched yesterday and flipped town, you would be able to dance away and tell everyone that your vote meant nothing. You're absolving yourself of responsibility, how's that for a better word? It's the most eye-catching thing to happen in the thread so far.
I also have a hard time taking your criticism of the votes against you seriously when you literally voted without a reason.

DrWilgy wrote:I've seen RVS come into play here at least 3 times in my half year of existence.

*Wilgy gives the fish hat back to it's proper owner, but then picks up the owner and takes her in the fish hat's place*

"RVS" as I understand it is different from what Bullzeye did. RVS refere to the throwing around of arbitrary votes early in a game to get reactions and put pressure on people. What Bullzeye did was completely randomize his vote and leave it there. I don't feel like my vote (for him) was cast with a lot more conviction than his, but at least I backed it up and am willing to own up to it.

Bullzeye is claiming that randomized votes are not uncommon, but where I come from they sre so rare that to do it once would pretty much be a death sentence. Can anyone back him up on that?

Epignosis wrote:Thread's open at night, right? Anybody got anything to say?

Or am I being rejected again?

G-man has taken a different approach on Day 1 than his usual style, but during the last Heist (Arrested Development) he talked about his usual approach of vote analysis is ineffective in this sort of game, so he'd need to try something new in future Heists. His Day 1 behavior fits that pretty well.

Wilgy's post history is baffling, but I've come to understand that's just his thing.

I want to get you some ice cream or something.

Quin wrote:
Sloonei wrote:Voting Bullzeye for a combination of this:
Bullzeye wrote:
thellama73 wrote:I have decided that I like Nerolunar. Welcome Nerolunar. I am also displeased that my rainbow list didn't generate much response. I am following Sloonei and switching my vote to Wilgy, because I colored him red and he didn't seem to mind.
What is there to say to your rainbow list? It is a list of names. You didn't offer any elaboration on anything so it's hard to offer commentary.

Also G-Man has a very interesting definition of having been absent. I was posting through day 0, which was a quiet day where not much happened, and was in bed for the first 9 hours of today. It's not like I'm a no-show.
and this:
Bullzeye wrote:Randomizer said *Sorsha*. Now I'm off to hopefully stop coughing long enough to get some sleep
I wish I had more to offer, but the RYM game kept me very busy (i was town and got lynched at lylo. ) and now i am going out.
What's RYM?

RYM (RateYourMusic) is my home mafia site. I invited you here and not there because the RYM Off-Topic board is currently locked and no new members can post there. It's a lovely website though. Not half as lovely as the Syndicate, of course.

Voting Bullzeye for a combination of this:

Bullzeye wrote:
thellama73 wrote:I have decided that I like Nerolunar. Welcome Nerolunar. I am also displeased that my rainbow list didn't generate much response. I am following Sloonei and switching my vote to Wilgy, because I colored him red and he didn't seem to mind.
What is there to say to your rainbow list? It is a list of names. You didn't offer any elaboration on anything so it's hard to offer commentary.

Also G-Man has a very interesting definition of having been absent. I was posting through day 0, which was a quiet day where not much happened, and was in bed for the first 9 hours of today. It's not like I'm a no-show.

and this:

Bullzeye wrote:Randomizer said *Sorsha*. Now I'm off to hopefully stop coughing long enough to get some sleep

I wish I had more to offer, but the RYM game kept me very busy (i was town and got lynched at lylo.

) and now i am going out.

"the llama's rainbow" is the most ~*R*A*N*D*O*M*~ 13 year old sequence of words I've ever assembled.

I'm going to put my vote on someone who complained about llama's rainbow.

Sorsha wrote:I'm feeling like this is civ Wilgy this game, he's playful and seems like he's enjoying himself which is not how he is as mafia.

I think I'll trust him and go for a G-man vote.

voting Sorsha based on this post. I just got done criticizing Bullzeye for absolving himself of responsibility by randomizing his vote on you, but here you absolve your own responsibility by deferring to Wilgy.

sig wrote:I don't like Bull's vote for Sorsha, it seems like a good excuse to cast a vote without having to back it up. I especially don't like that this is such a small game and he randomized his vote.

Thoughts on this?

It's certainly not an ideal method for casting a vote, but I can understand the sentiment. I'd like to see him at least take a stab at giving a reason, but if he sincerely felt any reason he could offer would be contrived and false, then randomizing isn't much worse. I can't help but acknowledge that's absolving himself of any guilt in the process, though. It will be damning if he remains non-committal down the line.

DrWilgy wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:Let's play a game!

I'm bad and my teammate is Sig

But Wilgy, you are my teammate.

What is your game, SirWilgy?

DrWilgy wrote:
Sloonei wrote:Putting a vote on Wilgy because he seems like the type who will respond to such things.

Also I'll probably be in a movie theater watching Deadpool when the deadline comes.
Not really, but I would rather lynch a baddie so let's discuss before you gotta jet!

What do you mean not really? This is a response. Unfortunately I've not been able to commit the attention I was hoping to give this game today. Tell me what your strategy is on this Day 1, if you don't mind.

RYM Lylo has prevented me from being able to think clearly about this game today. I am not good at balancing multiple games at once, but that other thing will be done by tonight.

i suppose i'm about to find out.

@ Hosts

Metalmarsh89 wrote:10) Discussing your personal win condition is not permitted. This is a hidden personal trait for each player.

As this implies we all have personal win conditions, are we allowed to allude to the existence of win conditions if we make no mention of our own?

thellama73 wrote:
Sloonei wrote:Why make a rainbow if it's so heavily reliant on pure gut reads?
Why not? I was bored.

A good answer.

sig wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
sig wrote:Got a minor ping on Nero, and I don't like that Wilgy hasn't addressed the votes on him yet that is strange. I'm very confident that I've got a good gut read on G Man though he hasn't posted any memes yet.

@Llama is your post pure gut based or did you take posts into account as well?

@Bull's why did you think Llama's vote was shifty?
I don't see what's strange about it. Is there any evidence that he's even been here since the votes came in? It hasn't been all that long.

Okay true, why are voting for Wilgy right know?

I want to see his response. He just hasn't been online to give it yet.

Why make a rainbow if it's so heavily reliant on pure gut reads?

sig wrote:Got a minor ping on Nero, and I don't like that Wilgy hasn't addressed the votes on him yet that is strange. I'm very confident that I've got a good gut read on G Man though he hasn't posted any memes yet.

@Llama is your post pure gut based or did you take posts into account as well?

@Bull's why did you think Llama's vote was shifty?

I don't see what's strange about it. Is there any evidence that he's even been here since the votes came in? It hasn't been all that long.

thellama73 wrote: People I feel bad about:
Bullzeye
SVS
DrWilgy

We've got a little discussion going on the other two, so let's not leave out SVS. Why her?

thellama73 wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
Bullzeye wrote:
thellama73 wrote:I'm voting for Quin for wanting to vote for the only option guaranteed to not catch a baddie.
How do you know it's guaranteed not to catch a baddie?
I was referring to the "no lynch" option, for which Quin expressed a preference. If we don't lynch people, it's impossible to catch bad guys.
I can say that this is normal for Quin and not indicative of alignment.
Don't worry, I'm not going to keep my vote there.

I just figured I should give some insight, as the only player with any knowledge of who this mysterious Quin is.

He comes from the same site as Cookie, if anyone remembers playing with her. It was hard to sustain a Mafia community there because there weren't enough active participants in games. As such, Day 1s there were often pretty difficult as people would be heavily reliant on night actions for scum hunting. No Lynches on Day 1 were often supported. This is probably also why he would be nervous about lynching talkative players. In that community, there were only a handful of really talkative players to drive things, and eliminating one of them early could really throw off the balance of a game. That does not need to be a concern here, obviously. But both Quin and Cookie were among the active and capable players, as well as fine gents/ladies who I wanted to play more Mafia with.

Golden wrote:Nero has it right. It's C-Man. Everyone knows what the C stands for.

??

Putting a vote on Wilgy because he seems like the type who will respond to such things.

Also I'll probably be in a movie theater watching Deadpool when the deadline comes.

Bullzeye wrote:
G-Man wrote:
Sloonei wrote:Let's all make the same joke on the count of 3.
Let's just call this coincidence a case of great minds thinking alike.
...But fools seldom differ.

The fool is the wisest man of all.

Let's all make the same joke on the count of 3.

It's like the dawning of a new age of some sort.

thellama73 wrote:
Bullzeye wrote:
thellama73 wrote:I'm voting for Quin for wanting to vote for the only option guaranteed to not catch a baddie.
How do you know it's guaranteed not to catch a baddie?
I was referring to the "no lynch" option, for which Quin expressed a preference. If we don't lynch people, it's impossible to catch bad guys.

I can say that this is normal for Quin and not indicative of alignment.

Quin wrote:
G-Man wrote:
Quin wrote:I'll put my vote forward for sig, I guess.
Is there any reasoning for your vote or are you picking randomly?
I don't recall seeing him post yet, if anything. I'd just rather spare the people who will more likely create an active game from being lynched.

This does not need to be a concern here. The game will be active no matter what.

Epignosis wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Sloonei wrote:I acknowledge that Day 1 has begun but the RYM game I'm in has temporarily fried my brain. I will engage with this in the morning.
Would you like to play my Batman Internet Mafia game? It's pretty cool I guess.
I would love to play your Batman Internet Mafia game, but I have a prior commitment. I am sorry.
That's what she said.

Haha, aw there there pal. *pats back*

Epignosis wrote:
Sloonei wrote:I acknowledge that Day 1 has begun but the RYM game I'm in has temporarily fried my brain. I will engage with this in the morning.
Would you like to play my Batman Internet Mafia game? It's pretty cool I guess.

I would love to play your Batman Internet Mafia game, but I have a prior commitment. I am sorry.

I acknowledge that Day 1 has begun but the RYM game I'm in has temporarily fried my brain. I will engage with this in the morning.

G-Man wrote:
Bullzeye wrote:I bet it's 11 v 1. Or 12 v 0.
Neither of these seem likely to me because our hosts reference BTSC. I guess they could be pulling a red herring on us though.

sig wrote:
Sloonei wrote:I'm not content to sit around and wait for Day 1, so I'll get the festivities started with a simple question: 9 vs 3 or 10 vs 2?

If there is a cop 9 v 3 if there isn't a cop 10 v 2 or it could be neither why do you think it is one of those two?
This makes more sense to me than any alternative because of simplicity. Veering from the Heist power role limit would create a memorable game. Too many powers in a game this small could get messy though. If only two baddies, I'd imagine there being extra protection for them. That would help prevent a civvie win by sheer lynch poll luck.

Yeah, aren't heists supposed to be simplish games?

sig wrote:
Sloonei wrote:I'm not content to sit around and wait for Day 1, so I'll get the festivities started with a simple question: 9 vs 3 or 10 vs 2?

If there is a cop 9 v 3 if there isn't a cop 10 v 2 or it could be neither why do you think it is one of those two?

They make the most sense of all possible setups. 9 vs 2 vs 1 or something like that is also a possibility.

thellama73 wrote:
Sloonei wrote:I'm not content to sit around and wait for Day 1, so I'll get the festivities started with a simple question: 9 vs 3 or 10 vs 2?
Neither. I'm betting it's not as simple as either of those.

Interesting. I could see that. Do you have any particular thoughts?

I'm not content to sit around and wait for Day 1, so I'll get the festivities started with a simple question: 9 vs 3 or 10 vs 2?

Mrs. Sloonei is a fish, it turns out.

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