The Syndicate

I was totally stunned by that. I knew diiny was all over me and there was nothing I could do to shake him, but no one else seemed to be seriously suspecting me so I figured if I could contain it to just diiny until we got rid of him I'd be in the clear. I would have been in charge of the kill that night, and I was going to flip a coin between him and speedchuck. No one was scum reading either of them at any point in this game.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2017 8:21 am Yeah. Inactivity kills. With 8 players left, like 3 had no significant posts. Really hard to tell who is bad at that stage.

Doc Wilgy seemed to be soft claiming M Bison, saying he wanted townie Speedchuck dead, even after he flipped. Eloh was also obvious town. My death hurt her the most. It also hurt Mal, who I would have defended for another day (see my reactions to Fred early in Phenon) but I would have turned on him sooner than later.

Mal and Sloonei both should have been lynched awhile ago. Everybody was suspicious of Mall all game. Sloonei was clearly coasting.

We were never going to catch Simon and JJJ/Sprit/Serge. We were never going to clear Blooper/DF.

I was lynched a while ago.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2017 9:58 pm
Elohcin wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2017 9:56 pm Epi has been known to hand-pick roles. Congrats baddies.
The only hand-picked role was Simon's. I'm not going to tell a kid he can't be Vega. Vega has a claw for crying out loud. A claw. And a mask.

This was the first time Jay and I have ever been assigned to the same scum team (that I can remember) in all our years playing together. Figures that we were the first and only team members to be removed from the game.

Simon wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2017 9:44 pm

HANDSOME FIGHTERS NEVER LOSE A BATTLE!

You dodged all those punches like a champ, Simon. Thanks for winning it for us dead folks. I suppose I'm the only dead folk you won it for. Thanks.

Sweet. Awesome job, teammates. You are all da best.

[mention]Diiny[/mention], you give me nightmares.

I would have gotten away with it too if it weren't for you meddling kids.

A flock of turkeys just wandered into my backyard as I was about to announce my departure. Wanted you all to know.

I endorse a lynch of Elohcin still, and I don't have any objections to lynching malakim or blooper. Whatever you guys do, do it well. Sorry I have not been very helpful so far. I'll be back after the deadline.

Diiny wrote: ↑Thu Aug 31, 2017 6:15 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Aug 31, 2017 6:11 pm
Diiny wrote: ↑Thu Aug 31, 2017 6:09 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Aug 31, 2017 6:06 pm
Diiny wrote: ↑Thu Aug 31, 2017 5:47 pm I reread sloonei's post history.

The number of townie vibes he gets from people on day 1 is staggering. To the point where he puts malakim in the bottom-most segment of his rainbow by virtue as him not being as townie as everyone else rather than his own scumminess.
Again, yes. That's generally how I approach Day 1. It's every bit as important to establish town reads as it is to establish scum reads. The absence of a town read on a player means something when there are an abundance of other town reads to go around. I don't see what's objectionable about this.
If it's ever bit as important, why is it 90% town reading and 10% scum reading? there's a massively disproportionate amount of townreading, something which is VERY easy to do as scum. VERY.

And every time he uncovers something that would sirengif me, he seems to let it go relivately easily, rarely reflecting it in his reads. There's also an inconsistency between what he says he's thinking at some points and his rainbows and actual behaviour. I'm gonna actually format a post 1 sec
Go on.
I gave you an example already re: elo's I WOULD GET SHOT DOWN comment that you pressed her on. But I'll find another.
There are more townies than scum players in this game.
Even if your crazy high ratio were more like 66% (or whatever would be in line with 2:1 I'm bad with maths and I'm tired) you don't find scum by telling them you think they're town. Unless you're 100% accruate in your doling out of townity you're putting very little pressure on anyone. You're not helping find scum. It's safe. It's scummy.

I am capable of changing my mind. But since we're onto this subject, I fully expect at least one of my Neutral reads to be on the scum team (DFaraday, Wilgy, Jay, Simon). I get too many town vibes (sorry) from the vocal players for that group to be free of darkness.

Diiny wrote: ↑Thu Aug 31, 2017 6:13 pm I know in my heart you're scum, sloon. you're my #1 scumspect, followed by elo.

Looks like elo is a more realistic lynch, though. So placing my vote there for now.

Finding that evidence now.

linki- sloon I'm accusing you of calling MP a potential liar and saying you wouldn't put dom on the block just yet and then putting them at the top and bottom of your rainbow respectively minutes later. Ill-developed, disingenuous rainbow/reads. No strong opinions. Combined with timidness I've discussed, over-reliance on quick town-reading on day 1 and what I'm seeing as attempts for validation throughout your ph it's scummy.

what u finkin

Everyone's a potential liar in this game. But everyone's also more likely to be town than scum. MovingPictures is not a 100% confirmed townie, thus he is a potential liar. However, I think he is town, thus he is at the top of my rainbow. Dom had done nothing to stand out as a townie. Others had. Thus Dom was near the bottom of my list.

I believe that you believe I am scum, so that's good. I'm more interested in your other reads right now though. I have to leave in ~10 minutes so I can't stick around to discuss things with you or anyone else, but please share whatever you can. That goes for everyone. My schedule is opening up this weekend, so I should have more time to dig into this thing.

Diiny, tell me what you think of Long Con.

Diiny wrote: ↑Thu Aug 31, 2017 6:09 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Aug 31, 2017 6:06 pm
Diiny wrote: ↑Thu Aug 31, 2017 5:47 pm I reread sloonei's post history.

The number of townie vibes he gets from people on day 1 is staggering. To the point where he puts malakim in the bottom-most segment of his rainbow by virtue as him not being as townie as everyone else rather than his own scumminess.
Again, yes. That's generally how I approach Day 1. It's every bit as important to establish town reads as it is to establish scum reads. The absence of a town read on a player means something when there are an abundance of other town reads to go around. I don't see what's objectionable about this.
If it's ever bit as important, why is it 90% town reading and 10% scum reading? there's a massively disproportionate amount of townreading, something which is VERY easy to do as scum. VERY.

And every time he uncovers something that would sirengif me, he seems to let it go relivately easily, rarely reflecting it in his reads. There's also an inconsistency between what he says he's thinking at some points and his rainbows and actual behaviour. I'm gonna actually format a post 1 sec
Go on.
I gave you an example already re: elo's I WOULD GET SHOT DOWN comment that you pressed her on. But I'll find another.

There are more townies than scum players in this game.

Diiny wrote: ↑Thu Aug 31, 2017 6:07 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Aug 31, 2017 6:03 pm These were my reads at the time. Reads are always fluid and can always change. If something were to come about which would prompt me to see MP as a liar (you seem strongly convinced that he is, so please share where that's coming from when you can), I'd be likely to move him down my list. I've stated why I read him as town though, and that has not changed much since. Dom was at the bottom by virtue of process of elimination and him lacking anything that clearly separated him as a town-read.
they were like minutes apart. they can't have changed that much in between those two posts lol

I'm confused.

Diiny wrote: ↑Thu Aug 31, 2017 5:47 pm I reread sloonei's post history.

The number of townie vibes he gets from people on day 1 is staggering. To the point where he puts malakim in the bottom-most segment of his rainbow by virtue as him not being as townie as everyone else rather than his own scumminess.

Again, yes. That's generally how I approach Day 1. It's every bit as important to establish town reads as it is to establish scum reads. The absence of a town read on a player means something when there are an abundance of other town reads to go around. I don't see what's objectionable about this.

And every time he uncovers something that would sirengif me, he seems to let it go relivately easily, rarely reflecting it in his reads. There's also an inconsistency between what he says he's thinking at some points and his rainbows and actual behaviour. I'm gonna actually format a post 1 sec

Go on.

Diiny wrote: ↑Thu Aug 31, 2017 5:51 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2017 1:22 pm I don't object to your interpretation of events, @MovingPictures07, but I need to hear Dom explain himself a bit better before I put him on the chopping block. He's made an assertion which has gone unsubstantiated to this point. It's certainly possible that you're a liar. I'd like to hear how he came to this conclusion.

That said, I'm not sure I'll be around when the time comes. I am once again working tonight, so I'll miss the deadline. I swear I'm going to be here for a deadline eventually.

I'd also still like to hear from Niju, or any thoughts people might have about this post I made last night.
Does it strike you as realistic that the author of those words in bold underlined italics would the put a certainly possible liar as his literal top read, and then the other person involved who he needs to hear more from before RIGHT at the bottom?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2017 1:34 pm A loose rainbow

MovingPictures

dunya
Speedchuck
diiny
Elohcin
Long Con

JJJ
DFaraday
DrWilgy
Simon

malakim
Dom
niju

MP is my top town read and dunya's not far behind. I like what I've seen from speedchuck and diiny but I need to see more of it, especially in diiny's case. He got off to a hot start but has faded a bit. I'm eager to hear his expanded thoughts later. Eloh and LC are GTH reads. I never read them as well as some of the more seasoned Syndicate veterans, but for the moment I don't feel like either of them are lying to me.
I lumped Jay and Simon in with our two silent players because . Jay did standard Jay things when he was here, but that doesn't tell me anything, and I'm not sure how to read Simon.
malakim has answered my first round of questions well enough, but in the absence of any stronger suspects he makes it to the light orange part of my rainbow. His initial read of Elohcin struck me as a fine bit of waffling. Dom needs to answer some things, and I've shared my little bit of thoughts on ninja blooper already, awaiting response.

These were my reads at the time. Reads are always fluid and can always change. If something were to come about which would prompt me to see MP as a liar (you seem strongly convinced that he is, so please share where that's coming from when you can), I'd be likely to move him down my list. I've stated why I read him as town though, and that has not changed much since. Dom was at the bottom by virtue of process of elimination and him lacking anything that clearly separated him as a town-read.

This post from Eloh was the single most suspicious thing I saw in my catch up just now. It again looks like she is seizing the opportunity to start tilting some suspicion against Dom once that case starts to gain momentum. I also felt like her Blooper Nap theory was reaching and perhaps opportunistic.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Aug 31, 2017 5:33 pm Sloonei replaced into Phenon, right? He did really well despite that, and never read the entire thread.

linki: me 2 tho

I don't like playing catch up when I have an overwhelming amount to read, but this wasn't overwhelming.
I'm caught up now, but about to go get supper. I'll place a vote on Eloh for now, and I'll have a little bit of time to figure out whether or not I like that decision afterwards. She stood out the most to me as I was reading just now, but I also owe malakim a more thorough look. I don't think I'll have time for that today though.

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 31, 2017 12:46 pm Random thought:

If either Elo or Blooper is bad, GTH I would say Blooper.

Why? I'd go in the opposite direction.

Pages are longer than they used to be and it's throwing off my timing as I try to catch up. I won't have as much time as I was hoping before I have to leave. I feel dumb. I apologize for the 1000th time this game.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2017 9:27 pm I already stated that I believe at least one pwrson from the other site (new-to-the syndicate) is probably mafia. Seeing as a new-to-us member has now been killed so early, it only reinforces this theory. Syndicaters havw nwvee been very comfortable with killing of new people this quickly.

I know diiny is new. Is malak also from the other mafia site and playing here for the first time?

I like this thought. On the other hand, everything else Eloh has been saying up to here is setting off my sirengif.

Diiny wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2017 7:09 pm Sorry guys, ended up getting home really late. Mafia was a lot more doable when I was a student. Haven't had time to properly read up.

My suspects remain the same, but I haven't read many of MP's long posts or looked at anything in detail. I'm plopping my vote on the sloon for being relitavely limp. I feel like his prods for people to elaborate their posts define his posting history rather than a drive to actually find scum, which i'm sure I've noticed in your scum game before.

his responses to my accusations are also quite tell-tale in my opinion. When I accuse him of acting scummily and like a previous incarnation of his scummy self back in aol mafia his response was:

"Would you say that this is an accurate description of my posts in this game?"

This timid defense doesn't remind me of a man who KNOWS he's town. Neither does the later "How am I playing _now_?" As if he's seen that he's been too timid and is looking for validation as to his town performance. If you're town sloon, you don't need to ask me how you're playing.

I'm tunnel visioning today because I'd rather bake one read that my gut feels strongly about than half bake several.

Will try and actually play properly tomorrow. If work's slow I'm sure I'll write a few essays and iso some people.

I am not seeking validation from you, I am seeking elaboration. You initially referenced a past game of mine as basis to suspect me, but presented nothing to suggest that I was demonstrating any similar behavior here. I like substantiated arguments. I don't object to a little tunnel vision now and then though.

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2017 6:39 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2017 2:31 am I was hoping I'd have time for more ISOs but my brain is fried and sentences are getting harder to type. I'm intrigued by the sudden developments between Dom & MP and I look forward to some follow up from and about them. I am still inclined to read MP as town, but his strong reaction against Dom stands out a lot. I'd like to hear more from Dom before I offer a read on him. Give me lots of stuff to read over breakfast tomorrow, folks.
To clarify: Do you find my sudden Dom suspicion suspicious? The "but" indicates that it's a reason you wouldn't be reading me as town.

That sort of strong response always strikes me as something that could be fabricated, but in this case I still do not see scumminess in your gameplay, at least up to page 15.

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 31, 2017 1:07 pm @Sloonei, my man, I'm surprised to not see a rainbow from you. You got a rainbow for me?

I gave a preliminary rainbow here, but I've fallen behind on the thread since then. I'll hopefully be able to provide an updated version before I leave for work again tonight. As always, I will not be here for the deadline.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Aug 31, 2017 10:42 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Aug 31, 2017 10:38 am want to place a lynch between Eloh or malakim, and to a lesser extent, MP and Blooper.
On a side note, I am 99% certain that there is at least one scumperson in these four. In a game this big, that isn't saying much, but my eagle-eye view says that with the direction this game is going, and the focus/back and forth reads between these four don't really allow for a town/town/town/town thing.

Could you elaborate on what's driving these four apart in your view? Unless you're already working on a detailed response to this question, then you can ignore it.

I was more exhausted than anticipated yesterday. I ended up falling asleep for a couple hours, then woke up to social obligations before falling back to sleep. I meant to contribute things here at some point last night. I apologize.

Diiny wrote: ↑Thu Aug 31, 2017 9:16 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2017 1:46 pm
Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2017 1:37 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2017 1:10 pm Night kill analysis is not my forte. I've been scum twice in like three years. But I am intrigued by your suggestion that you were framed, Eloh. Do you feel that you were definitely framed, or are you merely suggesting it as a possibility because somebody else brought it up?
Its what I immediately thought when reading the results last night. But I didn't say anything because I figured people would shoot down the idea and just claim I was bad.
Why was it your first thought?
This is a really good shout, and gives me hope for the sloon. I like his elo vote, but something still irks me about it. Even when placing his vote, he still asks for thoughts, as if requiring validation/seeing how popular/unpopular this vote was.

Were you the first to vote for elo, sloon?

I always ask for thoughts. I'm not saying things simply for my own sake, I'm saying them so that we all can talk about what's going on and what we're thinking.

I believe I was the first to vote for Eloh yesterday, but there had been plenty of talk around her prior to my vote.

I was exhausted after work last night and had to wake up early for another shift this morning. I am even more exhausted now. I'll have things to say later. Sorry for going silent.

I'm off to work now. Sorry to miss yet another deadline. At least I can work comfortably in the knowledge that MP won't let the thread go quiet.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2017 6:27 pm malakim possible w/w with Eloh. Would rather lynch Eloh than malakim I think. Positive results will spur a look at malakim.

Gotta say I'm not huge on lynching blooper or LC

I'll leave my vote on Eloh for now. Sorry I can't be active more around dayend. Family.

Could you explain your thinking here?

malakim2099 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2017 12:42 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2017 11:53 am I appreciate the clarification RE: everything, @malakim2099, thank you. Care to share your top 2 or 3 suspects with us all?
Just had a whole ton of work dropped on me IRL (I finished my work, but someone else didn't so I got all her leftover work now). And I'd rather take the time to back things up with quotes instead of saying "so and so" is suspicious to me, considering last night's discussion. Just didn't want you thinking I was ignoring you.

Yeah, maybe I'm taking this a little too seriously, but I want to make a good impression.

Though, the recent flame up between MP and Dom/LC was interesting to me. Will dig a bit more into that and get back to you.

malakim also promised us an in depth look at the MP/Dom relationship when he's able. I appreciate his commitment here. Make sure he sticks to it.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2017 5:59 pm I could vote Eloh to try my luck with nightkill analysis, or Dom. I'll vote before dayend, but I don't think I'll be around for it. Considering.

What's being considered? Think out loud if you can!

It does not look like I will be around to get any clarification from Dom. There's still plenty of time for him to get on and make some noise, but I won't be around to hear it until later. What do we all think of Dom at this point?

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2017 5:45 pm i'm sorry i cant contribute more, i really am sick. i read a few old games in hopes of getting a gleam into people's playstyle and it's been useful but im dying

you've done more than enough already today. go get better, being sick is the worst.

Blooper's response does address the points that I was concerned about and I can see where my misinterpretation stems from. I feel slightly better in that regard, but there's nothing she said that compels me to read her as town. She's closer to neutral than scum than she was earlier, at least.

Instead I'll place my vote on Elohcin. Her reaction to the nightkill is not sitting well with me.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2017 10:35 pmBoo Mafia!!!

Her initial reaction is a hollow "I don't like this, mafia are jerks!" comment. This sort of post always rings false to me. The she makes a few other posts about unrelated game things, and when Speedchuck presents his thoughts on the kill, speculating on how Elohcin may or may not be implicated in it, Eloh hops on it with a rather strong stance:

Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2017 11:48 am Frame job for sure.

I pressed her on this, and her responses were not particularly illuminating and as I've thought about it I've been feeling less inspired by it. It strikes me as if she is trying to share as little of her thoughts as she can get away with, and I don't like that:

Spoiler: show

I have to go in a half hour now (jeez it took longer to make this post than I wanted), so I'd like to hear some thoughts on this before I go. What do people think of Eloh?

Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2017 5:44 pm Thats the shortest nap I've ever seen.

Apparently squids are much more efficient sleepers than us humans.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2017 1:37 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2017 1:10 pm Night kill analysis is not my forte. I've been scum twice in like three years. But I am intrigued by your suggestion that you were framed, Eloh. Do you feel that you were definitely framed, or are you merely suggesting it as a possibility because somebody else brought it up?
Its what I immediately thought when reading the results last night. But I didn't say anything because I figured people would shoot down the idea and just claim I was bad.

Why was it your first thought?

A loose rainbow

MovingPictures

dunya
Speedchuck
diiny
Elohcin
Long Con

JJJ
DFaraday
DrWilgy
Simon

malakim
Dom
niju

MP is my top town read and dunya's not far behind. I like what I've seen from speedchuck and diiny but I need to see more of it, especially in diiny's case. He got off to a hot start but has faded a bit. I'm eager to hear his expanded thoughts later. Eloh and LC are GTH reads. I never read them as well as some of the more seasoned Syndicate veterans, but for the moment I don't feel like either of them are lying to me.
I lumped Jay and Simon in with our two silent players because

. Jay did standard Jay things when he was here, but that doesn't tell me anything, and I'm not sure how to read Simon.
malakim has answered my first round of questions well enough, but in the absence of any stronger suspects he makes it to the light orange part of my rainbow. His initial read of Elohcin struck me as a fine bit of waffling. Dom needs to answer some things, and I've shared my little bit of thoughts on ninja blooper already, awaiting response.

I don't object to your interpretation of events, [mention]MovingPictures07[/mention], but I need to hear Dom explain himself a bit better before I put him on the chopping block. He's made an assertion which has gone unsubstantiated to this point. It's certainly possible that you're a liar. I'd like to hear how he came to this conclusion.

That said, I'm not sure I'll be around when the time comes. I am once again working tonight, so I'll miss the deadline. I swear I'm going to be here for a deadline eventually.

I'd also still like to hear from Niju, or any thoughts people might have about this post I made last night.

Night kill analysis is not my forte. I've been scum twice in like three years. But I am intrigued by your suggestion that you were framed, Eloh. Do you feel that you were definitely framed, or are you merely suggesting it as a possibility because somebody else brought it up?

Diiny wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2017 12:24 pm people i distrust: sloo, eloh, squid, mp.

will elaborate when home from work.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2017 12:22 pm Not yet, but I'll be sure to let you know when I do.

I look forward to both of these things.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2017 12:07 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2017 10:19 am JoH was killed by the mafia. Thus:

MP is most likely town. If he were on a scumteam that was planning to kill Jack, he wouldn't have wasted a scumread on the guy. Rather, MP would have townread Jack and agreed with any wrong assumptions jack made until he died. I'm not even assuming optimal play here. MP wouldn't waste the time looking for a scumread on a guy he's going to kill.
Just to put forth an alternate opinion, since you seem very sure of this one: when I'm on a bad team, especially night 1, deciding on who to kill is usually something that happens after the lynch is done. If MP07 is bad, then I doubt that he crafted his posts around who was going to be killed night 1. I don't agree with your clearing of him, based on that.

Do you have any thoughts that aren't about MP?

Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2017 11:48 am Frame job for sure.

Who framed you?

I appreciate the clarification RE: everything, [mention]malakim2099[/mention], thank you. Care to share your top 2 or 3 suspects with us all?

I was hoping I'd have time for more ISOs but my brain is fried and sentences are getting harder to type. I'm intrigued by the sudden developments between Dom & MP and I look forward to some follow up from and about them. I am still inclined to read MP as town, but his strong reaction against Dom stands out a lot. I'd like to hear more from Dom before I offer a read on him. Give me lots of stuff to read over breakfast tomorrow, folks.

I found a thing. [mention]nijuukyugou[/mention]

nijuukyugou wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 6:36 pm I'm gonna go write for a bit. I'm looking at people who don't stand out, toeing that line of participating and contributing. Too many Days 1 with voting the weirdo.

Linki - I am Blooper! :waves:

In this post you mention some vague unnamed people at whom you are looking, but you never mention any of these people by name. Can you point to anybody who is or was playing with this particular low-key style?

But then later, this:

nijuukyugou wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 8:43 pm
MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 8:40 pmOkay, cool.

I don't feel great about lurker voting on Day 1, but it's what I feel most comfortable with at this juncture. I'm still open to being persuaded though.

Whom would you vote if you couldn't vote for Bass or another lurker with me?
Probably either JJJ or speed for the votes on Sloonei for the Dhalsim thing. I'm wary of voting that way for the "look at me, I'm standing out on Day 1!" reasons I stated earlier. I want more info, and I like that playing is happening and want to keep it that way for today.

This seems to be the exact opposite of your previously stated line of thought. Whereas you'd previously stated that you're wary of people who don't stand out on Day 1, here you seem to be saying that you are wary of players for standing out too much on Day 1. Which is it? Or are you just wary of anything with a pulse around here?

also i'll point out again that Jay certainly did not vote for me because of what I had to say about Dhalsim, so it strikes me as odd that you would state a suspicion based on something that didn't actually happen. Could you clarify or elaborate on elaborate on what you mean here?

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2017 9:47 pm
MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2017 9:24 pm Dom is bad, folks. Let's lynch him please. He's flinging bullshit opinions he can't even back up.
lol

You can't summarize your thoughts onto LC into a single sentence. It's because it's a hodgepodge of bullshit that you're going around your ass to get to your elbow to create.

But sure. The person that you, earlier tonight, said was making good points is now bullshitting because they're challenging you.

What specifically seems convoluted about MP's stance on Long Con?

Let's vote for ninja blooper because I don't remember anything she's said.

malakim2099 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2017 8:52 pm Okay, caught up! Read a lot deeper here, and these are my impressions, based on what I've read.

Diiny - I liked his vote for Sloonei, and I liked his bulldogging around on D1. Pretty sure he's a townie or civ or whatever you call them here.

MP - Actually, in retrospect, I take back what I was saying about him. Reading it closer, the posts appear pretty well reasoned (or are meant to look reasoned, but then that's the I know that you know that I know that you know game). Overall, scaling back the suspicious thoughts of him. Pretty sure he's townie/civ too. I do appreciate the elaboration that yes, this is his normal play.

JoH - Fairly confident in his play here, but it's different than his Realms play to a degree.

Sloonei -Seemed to keep it low-key despite the pressure he was under, which this early seems to be civ-ish to me.

Elochin - Having trouble getting a read. She was helpful, but then that's a great way to seem civ-ish too.

Long Con - I don't know if this is a thing, but I know I've gotten really defensive when accused early in a game when I was a scummer elsewhere. And... well, I'm not familiar with the player. But it feels like he's reacting the way I did in those situations, which makes me feel a little twitchy.

Simon - Considering LC had enough on him to merit a vote, I don't like Simon's fixation on the poll and E Honda-hating D0 to vote for LC. Especially when there was the split between Sloonei or Bass, and this feels like a random vote when you could go one way or the other.

Anyway, that's the general impressions I have so far after taking the time to take a deep read. I need to figure out multiquoting on here, or do you just do it the old-fashioned way with lots of copy/pasta?

A couple more questions, malakim! We've never played together before, so I am intrigued and want to pick your brain. You note that JoH's play here was "different" from his more familiar style on your homesite. Even though he's dead now, could you explain what this means? What differences did you perceive in his gameplay on Day 1?

You also say that Eloh has been "helpful" but then you waffle and turn your whole read into what amounts to a shrug. It doesn't seem like there is much of a read here, really. Could you point to specific examples of Eloh being "helpful" or any moments that give you any doubts about her?

malakim2099 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2017 7:54 pm Well, unlike most of the Internet, I will admit when I was wrong. After taking the time to go through and read the first two pages, I don't mind MP that much. Maybe that will change (as I haven't hit the meat of the final hours yet), but I'm rethinking some assumptions I made on skimming things. Will keep posting every 2-3 pages of reading so I can articulate thoughts so far (since otherwise people might think I fell asleep or something.)

Simon's comment of "people voting for their role in Day 0" just seems weird to me. I don't like that. It almost feels like some fishing. I know that we can't claim/hint in thread, why would people do that in a poll?

Also not feeling the Sloonei hate in Day 1. Yeah, Dhalsim being an alien is a goofy statement, and you get hate on Day 0 for that. Getting votes and nearly being booted just for that? That feels bad to me. Though I do wish that the votes tracked better during the day phase since they could be changed.

But after going to this point, since we're guaranteed a departure every day-phase with a plurality... D1, I think going for an inactive isn't a bad idea. Normally on HCRealms rules I dislike it, but here, I can see it working.

My self-centeredness has lead me to an observation here. Malakim, you note that it's ridiculous for me to get votes for my "goofy" statement about Dhalsim on Day 0 and, while I appreciate the support, it's not true that I received votes for this. Speedchuck voted me for what amounted to no reason, and Jay and diiny voted for me for perceived meta reasons. None of those people argued that my Dhalsim comment was a reason for suspicion. Really, nobody has done that at any point in this game.

Jay voted for me and suggested I could have used that line of questioning to kick off the game. I took it as a plain and simple pressure vote and was surprised that it stayed on my til the end of the day. I would have been more concerned if he didn't throw a vote my way at any point on Day 1 (he almost always does), I'm just not used to having it stay there. Seeing as he's now had to duck out for a replacement (that can happen?), it is less concerning to me, but I still can't put him (or his spot in the game) as anything better than a neutral read right now. I thought his line of questioning against me was fair and right up Jay's alley, but that's not saying much for him and he was unable to follow up on anything in any meaningful way.

Diiny voted for me and cited a past scum game we played together as his basis. I asked a follow-up question at the time but I don't recall him answering it. Hey [mention]Diiny[/mention], how am I playing now?

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2017 12:52 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2017 12:44 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2017 5:28 pm
Sorry, my friend, but I meant you. You like direct references, I've noticed, so I'll pull some instances up.

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 6:07 pm That said, I hesitate to scumread LC. I see your point, dunya, but I'm just not sure it means we're seeing scum!LC here.
Sometimes, when I'm trying to discern someone's motivations, I like to play a little game. I imagine the worst thing they could do, and then see if their actions support that conclusion. In this post, baddie MP applies nice mild buddying, while supporting the point that dunya made and was suspicious of. Further discussion of the topic also matches the profile of a baddie MP who, on one hand he kept the idea of my lynch in people's minds by discussing it a lot, and on the other hand he thought I was town and would say "RIP LC. I thought you were town."
Littlefinger's game is pure tunneling, and if you apply it to mafia you'll be the only townie in a sea of scum. If this is how you're looking at MP, it's no wonder you have a scum read on him.

I've only read up to this post so far, but i'm going to share one thought before I go any further: MP is town on volume alone. Nobody puts up this much fake content so quickly and effortlessly.
I would say it is MP's expertise.

As someone coming from the same area of expertise, I'd say that this level of intensity is nearly impossible to fake.

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2017 5:32 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2017 3:19 pm Speedchuck cast an interesting vote that no one is talking about. He voted for Long con to "facilitate an alternate bandwagon" to Bass, despite not having any personal reason to vote for LC. I am leaning toward liking this move. It's a bit bold and suggests that he is not overly concerned with his appearance and any potential scrutiny he might face and, while i don't ever encourage blind bandwagoning, I like that he took a stand which allowed the lynch to remain somewhat more open than if I had just hammered home another vote on the Bass wagon, in absence of a real suspicion to call his own.

Simon and dunya also voted for LC. Dunya's vote was early and she supported herself well. I don't recall seeing Simon explain his vote. Anyone have thoughts on any of these things?
I appreciate you exploring this and I agree with your perspective. I also like speedchuck's recent posts exploring Elo as bad and in general it seems to me he cares about trying to solve the game. I have a town read for speedchuck.

I also believe dunya and Simon are on the level, but I need to explore dunya's content a bit more and I need Simon to post more things.

I am leaning town on dunya, in part because I agree with the notion that she seems to not have BTSC. She's had lots of questions about minor cultural/technical things here, which suggests that We The People are her best resource to go to as she adjusts to playing in a new place, rather than any teammates behind the scenes. It's been a long time since I played with her, and I suppose she could be crafty enough to deliberately leave these sorts of questions in the thread to keep us off her trail, but I'm gonna categorize that as unlikely at this stage.

I've never played with Simon before and don't know what to expect when reading his posts. And like I said before, I don't really remember seeing his reasoning for voting Long Con, so I can only really shrug at his vote right now. I'd ask if you have any specific thoughts on him, but I assume I'll get my answer before I finish catching up.

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