The Syndicate

MY SALT HAS BEEN AMPLIFIED. THIS IS NOT OVER.

AFTER ALL THAT SHIT YOU GUYS LET LONG CON'S TEAM WIN

GIOESHDFFIODAHOFWGRSFIOVHBWEKNGBFSODWEDGJSFV

Voting for Bass based on what transpired between us on the previous page.

Could have seen that coming, honestly. He was top in the civ books of a lot of people.

BUT WAIT, THEREEEE'S MORE!

Bass_the_Clever wrote:

fingersplints wrote:So I've been reading from the beginning. I think that of LC vs Cobalt. Cobalt looks worse to me, but I am not sure I am suspicious of either yet earlier. I think that it is understandable for him to be a bit wary of LC because of the 90's game on JTM, but it seemed pretty extreme. Now it seems to be a joke

I felt like MP (Now Epi 2.0) was kind of winding Cobalt up earlier. I still don't understand this one:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I have every intention to continue my newfound love of rainbow lists, if at all possible, since I do find them particularly helpful in organizing my own thoughts and feelings on players, and I have to keep up the self-imposed moniker of Rainbow Sockman somehow!

I will put them in spoiler tags though, so that people may read them at their discretion.

Spoiler: show

MovingPictures07 wrote:TASTE THE RAINBOW

Devin the Omniscient
Epignosis

Bass_the_Clever
Birdwithteeth11
Black Rock
Bullzeye
DFaraday
Dragon D. Luffy
DREAM
fingersplints
Golden
Gumshoe
Hedgeowl
Long Con
Metalmarsh89
Neverwhere
nijuukyugou
nutella
Scotty
sig
Sloonei
S~V~S
timmer
TinyBubbles
Turnip Head
XthAtGAm3RGuYX

Cobalt


For reference:
Very strong civilian read
Strong civilian read
Moderate civilian read
Slight civilian read
Very slight civilian read
No read or unsure
Very slight mafia read
Slight mafia read
Moderate mafia read
Strong mafia read
Very strong mafia read

Come at me, Cobalt.

What would he have to 'come at you' for? The 'very slight mafia read'. idk the whole thing seemed over the top.

I also find Bass suspicious. This post here caught my eye on I've read all his posts now.

What bothered me on there is Epi asked him to read LC and tell him if there is anything suspicious. Instead of doing that bass asks a couple questions of Epi: "Is it because there are only six post, 3 of which are fluff posts?"
"Is it the MP/Epi shoving match post?"

Providing reasons it COULD be suspicious without actually committing that he found LC suspicious for those reasons.

Reading through his posts he is asking a lot of questions of others, and I also feel like he is being a bit careful with his wording about LC. Here he mentions feeling bad about LC, but already feeling better about him in the same posts. But then gives excuses why he might be wrong about it.

Gonna keep reading now. I was still pretty early in the game when I switched to the Bass read so
sorry if any of this has already been discussed a ton.

Ok I think this is the post you are talking about. I wasn't really sure how I felt about LC besides the fact that I thought it looked shady that he moved his vote. After that I was catchingg up and LC seemed to be ok so thats why I said he was in a grey area. I agree that LC has been defending most this game. Can you please explain how I was trying to be careful with my wording about LC?

Why does this SCREAM to me that Bass is trying to cover his tracks for when LC flipped scum?

Hmmmmmmm.

I just think it's funny that Bass says he's suspected me "all game" when I didn't get mentioned by him between day 2 and day 6. That's an awfully big gap.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:

Cobalt wrote:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:Ok so I'm going to vote cobalt. His game play has read bad to me all game.

Lol, you're so unbelievably bad.

Why because I have suspected you all game?

You suspected me early game because you thought LC was normal/civilian after reading over everything. If you honestly think that was a planned-out, elaborate bus job and that's why you find me suspicious you can kindly shove that POV where the sun don't shine.

In fact, you didn't say my name once between Day Two when you voted me, and Day 6 when you said if you voted, you would have voted Nutella or Cobalt.

So please, KINDLY point me to where you suspected me "all game". Pretty weak as far as I can see, as though you're trying to take credit for heat that you never actually put on me. In fact, you only started saying "all game" this phase, even though you don't have the post history to back it up.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:Cobalt has looked bad all game to me or at least indy his actions havent read civvie at all to me.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:Ok so I'm going to vote cobalt. His game play has read bad to me all game.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:

Cobalt wrote:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:Ok so I'm going to vote cobalt. His game play has read bad to me all game.

Lol, you're so unbelievably bad.

Why because I have suspected you all game?

You're trying to take credit for something that you simply did not do.

Your early suspicion of me was ALL based on me going after Long Con - and GUESS WHAT? Long Con was bad, and I was fucking right.

Did you ever once pause to re-examine the situation, or are you honestly going to claim that that early suspicion still stands even though I caught a baddie night 0 and nobody gave me any fucking credit until his bitch ass finally dropped?

How can that suspicion still stand? How can you claim that you've been suspicious of me "all game" if your early suspicions were proven unwarranted?

To answer your question:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:Cobalt who do you suspect and why?

You. Because of this. Thanks for giving me what I needed.

can we lynch Blooper tomorrow pls

HOW MANY MORE OF MY SCUM READS NEED TO FLIP BAD BEFORE Y'ALL QUIT ACTING LIKE I'M SOME KIND OF CRIMINAL SLIPPING THROUGH THE CRACKS OR SOME SHIT.

Literally eat me. Not the best case scenario but I was still right.

Pay attention to the tally, scum trying to push my lynch towards the end of the day.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:Ok so I'm going to vote cobalt. His game play has read bad to me all game.

Lol, you're so unbelievably bad.

S~V~S wrote:I don't think I will be voting for you, Golden. I think people talk about baddies faux NKing themselves more than it ever really happens. Plus I have been BTS with LC quite a bit over the years, and I don't ever recall him setting up fake scenes in the thread. It could be that that has changed, last game I played with him he totally pulled the wool on me, but staged fights does not seem like his thing, or yours either for that matter, but I don't have the experience there as much as I do with LC. Although I must say I am rather curious about why you keep back burnering Ninjabloop.

I reread Cobalt last night. He is abrasive, and (I want to keep saying "she" becasue of the avatar) I will discuss content later if need be, but gotta go to work soonish. Cobalt would be an easy lynch in his first game here (or one of the first, not sure if he played here in a game I did not play?) due to tone. We tend to like a more moderate, tone and I know quite a few people (and I am at the head of that line, or am jostling for position as first with Juliets) who read abrasive as baddie. I once heard Juliets say something like, "Civvies don't need to be rude" and I kind of feel that way too. I tried playing a recent game at another forum, and the tone (which was the norm for them) chased me right the fuck out of there, lol. Permanently. I am fairly sure Cobalt played that game. But that is how they play, it may not be the thing for me, but it IS the thing for them.

I am trying to rely a bit less on tone, especially with all the people from different cultures; it is a big part of what went wrong for SVS1.0.

My point is that I am worried we are going to lynch someone based on tone more than anything. That tone is normal for Cobalt, so I will try to ignore it and his shock schtick. So removing the hyperbole type comments (which is also something *this* crowd tends to read as baddie) I find him fairly middle of the road opinion wise; nothing that really raised my brow much. I am not seeing what is so alarming about him, tbh.

Linki @MM~ can you explain your thought process to me re Cobalt? Not links, words.

And off to work

Yeah, my tone was nothing compared to the JTM peeps when I first got there, even I was out of my depth, lmao. Gotta have a tough skin and a bitch ass attitude if you wanna survive there. BUT, that game you played was egregiously out of line. It got really bad and Icege DQ'd cuz he wouldn't stop. So I don't blame you for tucking tail and running home, lmao.

G-Man you're dead go away.

timmer wrote:

Black Rock wrote:I haven't done a big response to the "case" against me because I've been busy and frankly, this whole thing is giving me a headache. Lynch me, and I will turn up as a Civ.

One of the baddie roles, not perhaps coincidentally from the team that BR suggests I am trying to pin her on, has been revealed:

"Jekyll & Hyde - If I could reach you, if I could guide and teach youIt’s the classic tale—musicalized! Targets one player a night who must attempt to lynch another player. If that player is not lynched in three days, the targeted player will receive one extra vote in every lynch against them. Will show up as civilian upon lynching."

I find BR's lack of a true defense coupled with this new "I'll be a civ" statement very interesting based on this role reveal.

This is REALLY good evidence. I had noticed the Jekyll and Hyde role and noted that it would be complicated if that person flipped civ, or even wondering if they flipped already, but if Black Rock were scum, she would be able to make that "I'll be a civ" statement with confidence to make some of us look bad later.

fingersplints wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

fingersplints wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:another question to anyone who can answer:

has any living player here played with Cobalt prior to this game? i have some surface observations about his approach to mafia relevant to reading his alignment, but i would prefer the benefit of this insight before sharing.

I have played with him once before on jtm.

do you recall him playing abrasively in that game too? to a comparable degree with his conduct in this game?

It's about the same. SVS kind of already address the culture of another site he plays on being more abbrassive (to be fair to jtm that game she played was extreme even for them and resulted in a banning for it)
I was never very surprised by his going after LC early. He played one game with him and was his biggest defender all game. It seems more common to bring past game things into the current games early on there. For example, there seems to be a player there that always leads the lynch on another player every day 1. I felt like LC was one of the players Cobalt knows better (since they were so buddy buddy) and I know that whenever I am playing somewhere I am less comfortable I tend to look at the players I know better first. I guess whats fishiest for me is while he could be comfortable with LC and might have focused on him for that reason, he knows TGG better and I can't remember him discussing him much.
Scotty might be able to answer about Cobalts usual behavior too. the site I played with him once isn't even his home site, so I'm far from an expert on usual Cobalt.

Yeah, in places where I'm from it's common to bring old shit into new games. For example, on JTM, Alpha will always vote RadicalFuzz on day one (and even pulled that lynch off once) just because he thinks he's shit. I don't even know how it started.

With LC, it began as a joke, because he tricked me as mafia when we buddied up in the JTM game, and I felt stupid when he flipped scum, cuz one of the vigis saw through him. The way he responded to it and then further developments caused me to really commit to it. As far as TGG goes I knew he was having legit internet issues, and in retrospect I did realize he was salty about Epi subbing back in but I didn't make the connection at the time that TGG was on the scum team that killed Epi, and caught flack for it from Golden amongst others once G-Man (his replacement) flipped.

Is anyone gonna talk TO me or is everyone just gonna talk ABOUT me?

Scum Rock, Scum Con, Scumnei, I've been doing it all game. Lmao. It kind of became a thing on GTF after that phase.

S~V~S wrote:Also, I gotta say, that calling someone "Scum Rock" seems kinda hyperbole to me. If this is the norm where you normally play, like if people call you "Scumbalt" if they think you're bad, I apologize. But juxtaposing someones name with "Scum" seems kinda over the top, a bit.

http://www.gayteenforum.org/viewtopic.p ... t#p2341784

Changed my vote from Nijuu to Scum Rock because I'm not letting her get away for another phase. After Sloonei died I was all set to go after Blooper but upon further examination it may have been a framejob considering Sloonei's case against her.

Okay, Metalmarsh, why the vote on me without any sort of consistent scum read on me? Do you not feel the cases against Black Rock or Nijuu are sufficient enough for a lynch vote? Especially considering BR got away by the skin of her teeth with the TB push last day phase, I think she or Nijuu would be optimal targets today.

@Metalmarsh - why the sudden turn on me in the last couple phases?

If you don't lynch Black Rock and Nijuu after I flip civ, I will personally come back to haunt you.

Lynch me then.

Still want Black Rock lynched though. Do we follow Sloonei's final strongest scum read, not knowing his alignment, or do we go for a solid scum read that avoided a lynch last day phase?

Sloonei is the one who would have seen that Blooper lynch to fruition. I want her head on a spike.

Not letting Sloonei off the hook, but if Nijuu flips scum I'll feel much safer. I think one of them is mafia, exclusive from the other.

And as far as Nijuu goes, for someone who wants to talk about tunnel vision, she can put her foot in her damn mouth because she's been after me for "quite some time". Pleaseeee, the amount of contradictions in that post.

nijuukyugou wrote:Meh, I don't scum-slip (and that sounds super gross ), however subtly. You asked everyone to give an opinion of your sig case. I gave it. I finally see what you're saying - that I didn't state my own personal suspicion of sig at the time that it would have been more prudent to do so. I get it. But at this point, I don't really know how to convince you that I'm telling the truth except that I had that suspicion that I failed to share with the rest of the class, I agreed with your case, and I voted what I believed and agreed with. Turn your tunnel vision off - you've seriously got the wrong gal, and I'd really like to continue baddie-hunting and win as a civ.

I've also stated my suspects. Cobalt is Baddie McBadderson and I've been after that for quite some time. I liked the last case on Black Rock and could see her as a baddie. Epi 2.0 has been giving me some baddie vibes and I've said why in an earlier post. Those are three off the top of my head. See other posts for other suspects I may have forgotten to share here.

Okay first of all you scummy ass fart in the breeze, let me give you a lesson on Playing Mafia 101, mmkay? Trotting around going "I don't scum-slip" from your infallible high horse not only makes you look like an EGREGIOUS snob but it also makes you look that much worse. Acting like you're perfect and looking down on people for merely expressing significant suspicion of you is classic scum slip right out of said Mafia 101 textbook, so FANTASTIC job contradicting yourself.

If you really want the scummiest Baddie McBadderson out of everyone here then look in the damn mirror and behold sis, because if you're gonna try to throw me under a train then BY ALL MEANS, EVERYONE PLEASE LYNCH ME TOMORROW. Because when I flip civ your infallible perfect self will be knocked right on your pancake ass off your high horse at which point you may be crucified to the town's content.

GOODBYE.

Isn't it so convenient that Scum Rock can try and say timmer is trying to deflect votes and then winds up with TB getting lynched instead of her?

I put my vote there for a reason.

Literally the only people I've ever seen use the words "you're making a [big, huge, monumental, adjective] mistake" ever, have been scum.

Sloonei wrote:

Cobalt wrote:

Golden wrote:Sloonei survived a nightkill from team one, man. He isn't on it.

omg wait



that kind of throws a wrench in things.

I already voted Black Rock though, and I still want her gone. Otherwise I'd vote Bubbles today.

If yout theory about me being on team 1 has a wrench in it, can I ask again what you think of my theory about nijuu being partners with sig & g-man? I want to hear everyone's thoughts on this, really. Hey everyone, tell me whether you agree of that ninja blooper coulf be on Mafia Team 1 with sig and g-man!

I said before, it was a decent case nonetheless. Could definitely hold some water. I would need more than just you to bring it up as reasonable suspicion before putting any stock in it though.

Scotty wrote:Oh, I misunderstood. For some reason I had it in my mind you didn't change the vote, but had like a vigi ability to lynch. I'm currently sitting by the beachfront one so I apologize. I'll need to rethink my logic in a bit.

To reiterate for a final time to avoid any further confusion, my ability was to change any one lynch to a person of my choosing. I had boasted about it in hopes of revealing who LC's teammates were, and to see if anybody got noticeably worried, but especially because I was the lead for lynch votes it looked mostly like I was talking out my ass. I used it to save myself from the lynch and throw Long Con under the train, but he survived it.

If that was Into The Woods' doing, screw you.

Scotty wrote:Also what happened to the insanifier? Not that I'm missing it.

That was soooo annoying, omg.

Scotty wrote:Ah ok that actually makes sense if you thought you could get 2 lynches in one day.

Wait what? I didn't think I could get 2 lynches in one day, I swapped the lynch from myself to Long Con in day 2 and he survived it so I wasn't gonna let him get off that easily.

Scotty wrote:I go to sleep for 6 hours and I'm already behind a page. You vampires.

Wow, so that was a very filling past few hours. Thanks for finally showing up Cobalt!
After reading through your responses, I can safely say you've risen MUCH higher on my scale. You seem closer to -5 than my previous -15. Not completely back to neutral, but allowing me to trust you more. Thanks for answering a lot of the heat that was thrown at you.
One thing I didn't see addressed (maybe you did and I skipped it) was the speculation raised by Epi 2.0 in regards to your switching votes on Day 1:

Epignosis wrote:If you really wanted LC out, you allegedly had the power all along to make that happen. Instead, you baited other people into voting for you Day 2. Rather, you waited until Day 2, and like a serial villain, you began advertising to your enemy that you were going to switch the lynch to Long Con. Why didn't you keep mum about it and just do it?

That's a wasted lynch. You could have used it Day 1 and really helped the civilians early on.

++++

Compare this to Day 3, when once again, votes were changeable:

Long Con
2
Cobalt (4), sig (22) 8%

Did it look like Long Con was going to be lynched Day 3? If not, then why not change your vote to "someone else [you] found scummy" as you claim you did Day 1?

Your response:

Cobalt wrote:Epi went for me as soon as my vote wound up on SVS instead of Long Con, so Epi did have views on me. Why would I be stupid enough to kill someone who wanted my head on a platter on night one?

did not really answer WHY you voted the way you voted. Could you care to comment on that?

Day 3 was after Long Con survived my forced lynch on him so I knew SOME kind of bullshittery was afoot and I wanted his bitch ass gone and was willing to vote him every damn day until it happened. That's why it differed from day one when I didn't think he was going to get lynched and then went for SVS because she looked flaky af.

Sloonei wrote:I should be modkilled if I make another post tonight. The sun is up.

yeah me too im literally like, wow, let me go the fuck to SLEEP.

night all.

Golden wrote:Sloonei survived a nightkill from team one, man. He isn't on it.

omg wait



that kind of throws a wrench in things.

I already voted Black Rock though, and I still want her gone. Otherwise I'd vote Bubbles today.

My main concern about Sloonei is that if he is scum, every single one of his reads is strategic, and we have no IDEA what to actually trust. I'm not willing to take the risk of letting someone lead the general town consensus like that on every single other player. Way too risky.

Golden wrote:Cobalt, I'm impressed.

I don't think sloonei is bad still, but you have put bubbles back up on my radar. I already thought she might be LC's teammate on team 2, but team 1 makes sense as well. Her having a moment where she was really struggling to find enjoyment in this game and considered quitting was something I briefly flicked over earlier as possibly being a sign she was on TGG's team and uncomfortable with his quit (or, more accurately, with the fact that the mafia 1 chat room was probably quite a negative place). Now that you have brought me back there, I could see this being true.

The bit about 'if bubbles flipped scum, golden would be scum' never made any sense to me. But it does make sense in this context. Especially since, at that point, sig effectively knew me to be clean (since I'd survived a kill from the other team), and he would probably be thinking about possible ways to take me out.

I like it. You have my very willing to consider a bubbles vote today. I have long felt she is probably bad, but now you having me really want to know - if she is bad, which team would she flip?

I still want Black Rock lynched today. I haven't done my own whole case but I've felt scum reads on her for a long time and the way she relentlessly defended LC is inexcusable.

Next up on my list would be Bubbles, and then Scotty or Sloonei.

Golden wrote:Also, you raise Scotty and that's someone hopefully I'll finally have a bit of time to read back on tomorrow, but I see that possibility much more so than sloonei. I think your view on sloonei is more a case of culture clash than anything. His approach seems fairly standard in his mafia community.

I need to get back to you on Scotty because some things ticked me and other things noticeably didn't.

Sloonei wrote:

Cobalt wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

Cobalt wrote:Sloonei, why did your questions suddenly go from interrogative to defensive?

What part was defensive? I want you to share your thoughts on a number of theories.

It just looks like you went from doing that, to trying to provide excuses as to why you weren't mafia based on my reasoning with your previous theories.

Well yeah, kinda. I wouldn't say "excuses", just "alternative theories". Do you think G-man, my hypothetical teammate, would have used his last breath to cast serious suspicion against me being a member of the opposing scum team like that?

If he thought you'd be able to post your way out of it and bring up enough evidence against other people to discredit him, then yes. It would potentially soft clear you being on his team by doing so.

This can easily turn into WIFOM.

Sloonei wrote:

Cobalt wrote:Sloonei, why did your questions suddenly go from interrogative to defensive?

What part was defensive? I want you to share your thoughts on a number of theories.

It just looks like you went from doing that, to trying to provide excuses as to why you weren't mafia based on my reasoning with your previous theories.

Sloonei, why did your questions suddenly go from interrogative to defensive?

Sloonei wrote:

Cobalt wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

Cobalt wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

Cobalt wrote:1. I'm not, I answered a question. 2, possibly.

If you had to give a yes or no answer to #2 right now, what would you say? Why?

I would say yes, tentatively. You've done an enormous effort in making yourself look like a strong civilian voice which is the one thing that really ticks me about you. You analyze every post everyone's ever made to the point where, if you were scum, it would be indistinguishable who you were actually trying to incriminate, and who you were soft clearing, or who you were clearing by painting them scum in case you flipped scum, and that whole area becomes WIFOM. Frankly, you flipping scum makes it even more complicated because then we have to try to piece together your reads, and that all becomes WIFOM considering how you've put everything out there.

I just have a really hard time buying your effort as honest and not manipulative.

Which team am I on?

Sig's.

Why? Are you aware that this is also G-man's team? What do you make of my new hunch about nijuukyugou also being on that team? G-man suggested that I was Long Con's partner earlier. What do you think of that theory?

Willing to take what G-Man proposed with a grain of salt, considering.

I think if you were on that team, you'd make all the cases in the world about why someone else is on that team instead, were you mafia. Decent case though. Not sure if I buy it.

Sloonei wrote:

Cobalt wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

Cobalt wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

Cobalt wrote:

Golden wrote:As if I need any more to make me think Cobalt is mafia 1... anyone who is attacking someone who we think to be on mafia 2 'looks civ' to him.

Why? Why is someone civ because they catch people on one side of the fence? It takes catching people on both sides to make them civ.

Also, the responses to my point about TGG are entirely wifom, and not at all inconsistent with my theory. Want me to believe you are not bad? Explain to me why TGG quit.

He's talked about his bad internet on other sites. It's not like he was lying about it. He legitimately could not participate. That's why he withdrew.

Why are you defending a dead scum player? Am I scum?

1. I'm not, I answered a question. 2, possibly.

If you had to give a yes or no answer to #2 right now, what would you say? Why?

I would say yes, tentatively. You've done an enormous effort in making yourself look like a strong civilian voice which is the one thing that really ticks me about you. You analyze every post everyone's ever made to the point where, if you were scum, it would be indistinguishable who you were actually trying to incriminate, and who you were soft clearing, or who you were clearing by painting them scum in case you flipped scum, and that whole area becomes WIFOM. Frankly, you flipping scum makes it even more complicated because then we have to try to piece together your reads, and that all becomes WIFOM considering how you've put everything out there.

I just have a really hard time buying your effort as honest and not manipulative.

Which team am I on?

Sig's.

@Golden, based on a re-read of Sig's posts I would definitely buy TinyBubbles as a teammate. He went for TinyBubbles without really comitting to it later, then explains it away and asks for Tiny's read on the Me/LC situation. Why would he do that from someone he finds suspicious? It looks like he jumped on her to potentially clear her if he flipped baddie, because I'm sure Sig knew I would sniff him out eventually if nobody else did. I was on him from the moment he was waffly as all hell about me. He kept flipping back and forth from whether or not I was the most suspicious and whether or not he would vote me and it was just super fake. He also went for me based on a different game where I lynched him day one when he was the cop and he did fuck all to stop me other than to dig himself a further hole, which was his own fault. That coupled with his bullshit logic this game, and I pinned him. It's a possibility that he informed his team of our history, and they told him to make sure he went for one of them at some point to make them look better when he flipped bad.

Also, Golden, he said you were likely to be clean. And then he didn't explain it that well.

BUT, the final most incriminating thing about him and TB being teammates is this:

sig wrote:There is enough time to have a fire drill and go not for either me or TB I truly think LC would be a better lynch then either of us at this point. Whichever way heflips we would get more info then from a TB/SIg lynhc.

Sloonie I meant in a mafia sort of tailoring not a misplaced civ going with the herd.

He tries to fire drill which is SO terrible that far into the game, and suggests that neither him NOR TinyBubbles, someone he's expressed SPECIFIC suspicion of for almost the whole game, get lynched that day, and that we do someone else instead, trying to throw Long Con under.

The fact that he never fully committed to his suspicion, and the fact that he later suggested that neither he nor his big suspicion get lynched, makes me think Tiny is a potential teammate.

And that's not even addressing TB's posts.

sig wrote:When TB flips scum then Golden would also be scum.

But he said Golden is clean before this. Trying to throw Golden under the bus if his teammate inevitably flips scum.

sig wrote:We could always fire drill LC he is mafia

Further trying to fire drill off him/TB.

sig wrote:Wait no I'm sorry I dont want to go out in a gracious exit, let me try again..............IF YOU LYNCH ME YOUR ALLLLLLLL DEAD IM A BOMB...... so you better run

better? :P

I might be independent you never know....Don't sigh I could be.....

Okay let me be serious, I want the other mafia team gone I suspect some may have voted for me, I would say LC is mafia I was trying to get him to give a good argument about sloonie so I could lynch him after my post saying sloonie was clean but that never happened. After LC never responded he became more and more suspicious to me, you might not believe this, but my suspicion of LC and many others was true maybe not all but some were. I was actively hunting mafia during this game I will leave it up to you to figure out which of my reads were honest which were not. Minus LC string him up and kill Cobalt when your at it (that's a joke CObalt).........maybe

Oh and btw my number has to do with the police they can rolecheck/protect or kill
ironic very ironic.
It has been fun I look forward to our next game together......and Sloonie/Scotty I hate you both lynching an innocent civ like me
(I'm joking you were both good with me I would say good luck but I wouldn't really mean it)

I made this post since I was bored and rarely post in the end game but again it was fun
Good by I will see you all in hell

And this final post makes me think either Sloonei or Scotty was in on it with him. He tries to act genuine by expressing LC is on the other team and then jokes with me, and then wishes Sloonei and Scotty luck. I'm actually gonna go back with his interactions with Scotty in particular, someone who's come after me as well. I wouldn't put it past Sig to tell someone to keep the heat on me when he's gone.

Sloonei wrote:

Cobalt wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

Cobalt wrote:

Golden wrote:As if I need any more to make me think Cobalt is mafia 1... anyone who is attacking someone who we think to be on mafia 2 'looks civ' to him.

Why? Why is someone civ because they catch people on one side of the fence? It takes catching people on both sides to make them civ.

Also, the responses to my point about TGG are entirely wifom, and not at all inconsistent with my theory. Want me to believe you are not bad? Explain to me why TGG quit.

He's talked about his bad internet on other sites. It's not like he was lying about it. He legitimately could not participate. That's why he withdrew.

Why are you defending a dead scum player? Am I scum?

1. I'm not, I answered a question. 2, possibly.

If you had to give a yes or no answer to #2 right now, what would you say? Why?

I would say yes, tentatively. You've done an enormous effort in making yourself look like a strong civilian voice which is the one thing that really ticks me about you. You analyze every post everyone's ever made to the point where, if you were scum, it would be indistinguishable who you were actually trying to incriminate, and who you were soft clearing, or who you were clearing by painting them scum in case you flipped scum, and that whole area becomes WIFOM. Frankly, you flipping scum makes it even more complicated because then we have to try to piece together your reads, and that all becomes WIFOM considering how you've put everything out there.

I just have a really hard time buying your effort as honest and not manipulative.

Golden wrote:

Cobalt wrote:Humor me for a minute, if you were to believe I was civilian hypothetically, what questions would you ask me?

What questions do you have for me now when you think I'm mafia, other than to try and link me to TGG?

First thing - I try to ask people the same questions no matter which way I lean on them, because I think everyone should have a chance to prove me wrong (whether thats prove my mafia read wrong or prove my civ read wrong).

But my question for you is - I feel you've focussed a lot on people you think are on LC's team. What are your thoughts about mafia team 1? You know sig and TGG better than most of us, so you should be in the best position to help us figure out who their teammates are.

Let me take a look at Sig's posts, he in particular was weak, I had a scum read on him as soon as he kept trying to train me after every single one of my posts so early in the game. I'll see if I can draw any connections, and I'll have to go back to G-Man as well because I didn't keep that close of an eye on him.

I'll let you know what I think in a little bit.

The "reasonable" answer you're looking for as to why TGG was rumbled by Epi subbing back in dead is because it's unfamiliar territory and unheard of where we hail from, and even where I hail from before that. A dead player subbing in? Like, I was taken aback by that and I didn't even kill him.

Golden wrote:He's also talked on other sites about how angry he is about people letting deadies sub in, and you've replied to it. Right after subbing out. I didn't bring the other site into it, but since you did it's fair game in a case against you. You know that's at least part of why he subbed out. I'm not disputing the internet issues were also part.

Why do you think he was mad about epi subbing back in?

That's not how we do things there. Someone dies, they're dead. Kills are made for a variety of reasons. He was on the baddie team that killed Epi, yes? If they killed him, they wanted him dead for a reason, and it sure as fuck was not to protect my bitch ass. Deadies subbing in is not what TGG was used to and it rumbled him because it's a fuck you and a waste of a night kill. I'd have been pissed if I were mafia and killed someone only to have them jump back in the game.

Golden wrote:It's not even like on the other site he had a bad attitude, I wanna be really clear here. He just said enough that it was clear it was part of why he subbed out. And Cobalt, I know you know it.

I actually forgot about him saying that mostly until you mentioned it now, and we did talk about it on the other site, I remember. My explanation above still stands.

I don't see what angle you're getting at here? We weren't teammates. I'm civilian. Don't believe me, please feel free to lynch me today.

Humor me for a minute, if you were to believe I was civilian hypothetically, what questions would you ask me?

What questions do you have for me now when you think I'm mafia, other than to try and link me to TGG?

Sloonei wrote:

Cobalt wrote:

Golden wrote:As if I need any more to make me think Cobalt is mafia 1... anyone who is attacking someone who we think to be on mafia 2 'looks civ' to him.

Why? Why is someone civ because they catch people on one side of the fence? It takes catching people on both sides to make them civ.

Also, the responses to my point about TGG are entirely wifom, and not at all inconsistent with my theory. Want me to believe you are not bad? Explain to me why TGG quit.

He's talked about his bad internet on other sites. It's not like he was lying about it. He legitimately could not participate. That's why he withdrew.

Why are you defending a dead scum player? Am I scum?

1. I'm not, I answered a question. 2, possibly.

Golden wrote:As if I need any more to make me think Cobalt is mafia 1... anyone who is attacking someone who we think to be on mafia 2 'looks civ' to him.

Why? Why is someone civ because they catch people on one side of the fence? It takes catching people on both sides to make them civ.

Also, the responses to my point about TGG are entirely wifom, and not at all inconsistent with my theory. Want me to believe you are not bad? Explain to me why TGG quit.

He's talked about his bad internet on other sites. It's not like he was lying about it. He legitimately could not participate. That's why he withdrew.

Mmkay, let's get crackin. This day phase so far.

Golden wrote:A massacre is not the gist of the West Side Story role. It was just a specific word in there that was distinctive that I thought Scotty could use to confirm we had the same role.

Sloonei - I've read all of your iso's. At this point my vote is most likely to go to Cobalt or bubbles. Because I think the evidence points in those directions. Bubbles sounds like she is scrambling. Cobalt has certainly settled down but here is what for me is so persuasive I can't look beyond it...

TGG's team killed Epi. Epi subbed back in and said his views were still the same. TGG promptly quit. Why did that happen if none of Epi's views were about one of TGG's teammates? For me, the absolute most critical thing I think we can do today is analyse Epi's posts on day one. For me they lead to Cobalt, but I'd like to hear other views.

Except Epi went for me as soon as my vote wound up on SVS instead of Long Con, so Epi did have views on me. Why would I be stupid enough to kill someone who wanted my head on a platter on night one?

Sloonei wrote:I am getting a little impatient waiting for Cobalt to start playing again and I'm becoming more suspicious of him as the days go by.

Oh hai.

timmer wrote:Main points for me.

1. Despite posting quite a bit that day, BR's vote post against sig is the only she mentioned him all game. She hadn't ever mentioned him before, she didn't technically even mention him when she voted him, and she never mentioned him after. Search "sig" through her posts, he will only appear in the posts of people she quoted in a reply. Yet she voted for him to be lynched AFTER saying she was CERTAIN Bass is bad.

2. Has defended Long Con all game.

3. Has focused her attentions more on talking about players who aren't around (Turnip Head) or secondary to any of the game's main story lines (Bass) and avoided talking about the main points, unless defending Long Con (never talked about Cobalt/Long Con the day Cobalt took all of the lynch votes).

She's bad.

I'm totally down for a Scum Rock lynch today. I've felt the same way about her defending LC except I haven't been able to articulate it in the way you did in your longer post, thanks for that.

Sloonei wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

timmer wrote:Main points for me.

1. Despite posting quite a bit that day, BR's vote post against sig is the only she mentioned him all game. She hadn't ever mentioned him before, she didn't technically even mention him when she voted him, and she never mentioned him after. Search "sig" through her posts, he will only appear in the posts of people she quoted in a reply. Yet she voted for him to be lynched AFTER saying she was CERTAIN Bass is bad.

2. Has defended Long Con all game.

3. Has focused her attentions more on talking about players who aren't around (Turnip Head) or secondary to any of the game's main story lines (Bass) and avoided talking about the main points, unless defending Long Con (never talked about Cobalt/Long Con the day Cobalt took all of the lynch votes).

She's bad.

So am I on LC's team or Sig's? Sorry I had no suspicion on Sig until he was outed by himself. I don't think I defended LC ALL game. I did say I didn't think he killed Epig and I was right. Who are you trying to lead the lynch away from today Timmer?

Why do you suspect he's tryin to lead the lynch away from someone?

I agree with Sloonei here actually. Timmer comes out with a completely reasonable list of things that she's done that make her look scummy, and all she does is try to make him look bad and say he's trying to lead the lynch away from someone? It's a weak way to defend herself and make someone look bad for wanting to vote her, almost an OMGUS in disguise.

Scotty wrote:

Canucklehead wrote:Earlier in my catch-up I was feeling that Cobalt was deffo bad, but the fact that he hasn't yet lived up to his promise to be more engaged actually makes me less suspicious of him (contrary to Sloonei's opposite thought). I just think the impetus to clean up your image and contribute is much stronger for the mafia (especially if you've got a chat room full of buddies counting on you to do so), while civs who are feeling disengaged/uninterested in the game have no real push to get back into it.

Yes, except Cobalt hasn't been taking any heat in the past few days, so what impetus does he have to clean up and be more engaging? Not really until last night, honestly, have we (Epi, then I) brought him back into suspicion. When he posted explaining he was playing lazy the last few days, I expected that was on account of the fact that he could just skim. He was already pretty ambiguously aligned. Wouldn't a civ try and contribute at this point?

The longer he sits away from the game, the more suspicious I grow of him.

Also @ you, oh hai.

Golden wrote:It does make sense Canuck. Entirely.

All I will say is that my personal feeling that Cobalt is bad is not based on his thread activity, and in that sense I actually would probably come around to your perspective.

Except that I still think he is TGG's teammate because of TGG's quit - its the reason I called out G-Man, and if that half of my argument was correct (he quit because epi came back) I think the second half has to be too (he quit because epi had called out one of his teammates). And when I read epi's posts from day one, I don't see who else but cobalt fits the bill. So from my perspective, my cobalt suspicion is about logic, not about cobalt's actual behaviour.

I made that post about TGG early in the game I think it was day one, someone else already quoted it. If I were scum team with him, I wouldn't go near him with a ten foot pole. I know how he plays and I know how I play, and we'd work better working different angles.

Scotty wrote:I'm basing my read off of what Cobalt talks about and what his actions are. Not responding to criticism in any capacity is, to be honest, shady.

The 2 reasons that I am not autovoting Cobalt now, who is hovering at the top of my scum list, are the facts that:
- I have a sneaking suspicion he was silenced today, and it is unfair to speculate on someone's posting gaps if it's out of their hands
- If he was silenced, why would they silence him now?
- I want to hear why MM, who also currently isn't high on my civ list, did a drive by Cobalt vote.

MM said he would be traveling or something towards the end of the last day phase? I've felt pretty safe about him for most of the game cuz he voted LC even before I did, so that's why I voted him when I was busy and I wouldn't be around. Maybe he did the same thing? I'm not sure how he feels about me but if he feels safe as well maybe he thought I wouldn't be lynched today and just wanted to put a vote somewhere. No idea, I'd like to know too though.

Epignosis wrote:

Scotty wrote:Quick question- if Into the Woods is still alive, do you all think he/she pardons the one lynch during the day phase or night phase?

Because another thing that is giving me pause is that Cobalt could very much be Into the Woods. Am I wrong in thinking that is a possibility?

Cobalt said he was going to make LC die. Not the same thing as a lynch pardon.

Correctamundo.

Epignosis wrote:

Scotty wrote:OK, I wasn't asking about his lie. He even said he was lying. Do you think it's possible he could have pardoned himself?

I don't really give a shit about any of that.

I say he's bad.

I say Black Rock is bad.

I'll go for either one.

See, I think you're bad, but your willingness to go for Black Rock gives me pause because she's my strongest scum read right now.

I'm willing to commit my vote to Black Rock today, I'm going to do so.

Anybody have any questions for me while I'm around?