The Syndicate

Vivax wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 9:44 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 9:37 pm

Vivax wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 9:34 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Oct 31, 2022 8:54 pm Day 3 Vote Poll

Spoiler: show

Who knows what evil lurks in the heart of Mr. Wednesday?

Poll ended at Mon Oct 31, 2022 8:54 pm

bea
0
No votes


Voters: None

DFaraday
0
No votes


Voters: None

DharmaHelper
1
4%


Voters: Elohcin

DrWilgy
0
No votes


Voters: None

Elohcin
0
No votes


Voters: None

G-Man
6
24%


Voters: DrWilgy, Michelle, Golden, Sloonei, Kate, Ricochet

Golden
1
4%


Voters: sig

Kate
1
4%


Voters: Quin

Michelle
1
4%


Voters: DFaraday

Quin
1
4%


Voters: G-Man

Scotty
0
No votes


Voters: None

sig
0
No votes


Voters: None

Sloonei
4
16%


Voters: Scotty, bea, S~V~S, Vivax

Viviax
0
No votes


Voters: None

Shadow (The Host, the Non, the Dead)
10
40%


Voters: Spacedaisy, thellama73, DharmaHelper, Sabiplz, juliets, MacDougall, Epignosis, nutella, Matahari, LoRab


Total votes: 25

Based on this poll voting Quin seems like a worse option now, of the two.
Maybe someone knows why I think that.

I don’t

Sloonei does

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 9:34 pm [VOTE: quin] aubergine

Vivax wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 9:34 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Oct 31, 2022 8:54 pm Day 3 Vote Poll

Spoiler: show

Who knows what evil lurks in the heart of Mr. Wednesday?

Poll ended at Mon Oct 31, 2022 8:54 pm

bea
0
No votes


Voters: None

DFaraday
0
No votes


Voters: None

DharmaHelper
1
4%


Voters: Elohcin

DrWilgy
0
No votes


Voters: None

Elohcin
0
No votes


Voters: None

G-Man
6
24%


Voters: DrWilgy, Michelle, Golden, Sloonei, Kate, Ricochet

Golden
1
4%


Voters: sig

Kate
1
4%


Voters: Quin

Michelle
1
4%


Voters: DFaraday

Quin
1
4%


Voters: G-Man

Scotty
0
No votes


Voters: None

sig
0
No votes


Voters: None

Sloonei
4
16%


Voters: Scotty, bea, S~V~S, Vivax

Viviax
0
No votes


Voters: None

Shadow (The Host, the Non, the Dead)
10
40%


Voters: Spacedaisy, thellama73, DharmaHelper, Sabiplz, juliets, MacDougall, Epignosis, nutella, Matahari, LoRab


Total votes: 25

Based on this poll voting Quin seems like a worse option now, of the two.
Maybe someone knows why I think that.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 8:14 pm Because it's my birthday, my 40TH birthday, who wants to be a gem and give me a quick recap of the two wagons so I can make an informative vote. I seriously just want to spend time with my family today and not read mafia posts. I know that may be horribly inconsiderate, so I apologize for that.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 8:04 pm

Vivax wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 7:58 pm Happy round b-day Eloh!
Wagons looking spicy.
But I‘m feeling pessimistic about both for some reason.

I think the only way these 2 don’t contain a wolf is if golden/sloonei/sig are bad

I just don’t want to see that in my world view

Vivax wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 7:58 pm Happy round b-day Eloh!
Wagons looking spicy.
But I‘m feeling pessimistic about both for some reason.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 6:37 pm I do need to voice that I find the members of the quin wagon are questionable. Michelle vote is to be expected, but idk how I feel about voting on brand with Sig and Vivax.

Michelle wagon having SVS, Sloonei and Scotty feels more reliable in the moment.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 6:26 pm Who else was at 2 when I voted? Golden?

Yes I would've instant auto saved Golden by yeeting Quin had I needed to snipe a 2-1-2 split at EoD. It just wasn't EoD.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 6:25 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 6:20 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 6:15 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:17 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:19 pm If everyone voting quin bails to vote Michelle or Vivax and Quin Is no longer a good option, most likely.

If Quin is actually up to be yeeted, then let's yeet.

If the argument is "Wilgy keeps mentioning quin, but doesn't vote there" then give me something that wouldn't result in my vote being vanity.

Spoiler: show

This is the worst reasoning you’ve given to anything all game, Wilgy. Here:

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:01 pm Vote count currently 30 hours left in day 5

Spoiler: show

DFaraday
0
No votes
Voters: None
DrWilgy
0
No votes
Voters: None
Elohcin
0
No votes
Voters: None
Golden
2
18%
Voters: Quin, Matahari
Michelle
1
9%
Voters: S~V~S
Quin
2
18%
Voters: Golden, Scotty
Scotty
0
No votes
Voters: None
sig
0
No votes
Voters: None
Sloonei
0
No votes
Voters: None
S~V~S
0
No votes
Voters: None
Vivax
0
No votes
Voters: None

The benefit of posting these little vote counts is such that I can really see transitions. As you can see, Quin was the leading wagon before you came in. At some point, you voted for Michelle, though you never posted as such in thread, so I can’t exactly see when you did so. At some point after this poll, I switched to SVS. Which would still mean Quin and Michelle had 1 vote each.

Your claim here that your vote would be vanity is patently false.

I don't see a 2-1-2 split as wagons. That's just early vote posturing where vanity is to not be considered. Voted for Michelle to see what would happen. Vanity would be if I were to go to off wagon now where it's actually possible for the posture to shift.

Did the same shit to G-Man I think, voted G. Saw that the wagon was skewed, moved to Sloonei, realized that G was potentially being saved by it, moved back because I didn't want that.

That's also why I'm keen to Vivax going over as well. The argument for moving off G was presented by them as wagonomics, however I think that may have been a save attempt as opposed to actually reviewing vote posturing and knowing you'd be around to move back later if needed.

Wilgy, you’re literally contradicting yourself
“If the argument is "Wilgy keeps mentioning quin, but doesn't vote there" then give me something that wouldn't result in my vote being vanity.”

”Vanity would be if I were to go to off wagon now where it's actually possible for the posture to shift.”

So you voting for Quin would have made him top wagon. You wouldn’t be making a vanity vote, which you just said is voting off wagon, because you wouldn’t be voting off wagon. You would have made the wagon.

Yes, but I saw no need to make the wagon. There was a split between my PoE that just needs to be clipped? No wagon BETWEEN then two that I advise for yeet had a majority.

I don't care which of the two goes over. My comments about quin being vanity were mostly out of regard for previous cycles and I don't know if I expressed that proper. (Communication skills currently faltering as I didn't sleep last night. Had a thing resulting in me driving my wife back home from Dallas between 2-5 am last night. Forgive any comprehension blunders I may experience today)

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:51 pm Further on Michelle. Quin still tastes better. Also Vivax.

BUT saw the option for Michelle wagon. I like it too.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 6:20 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:47 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:38 pm I think two of the three wagons could be Mafia, pretty much all of us have been circling these three people.

But which two?

The third one being…Golden?

Wilgy, despite what he’s said, seemed more attached to Michelle going over.

If Michelle is bad, Wilgy looks great.

If Michelle is good, SVS and Wilgy looks bad

If Quin is bad, Wilgy looks terrible. Sloonei also looks terrible. Golden looks good.

If Quin is good, Golden looks bad.

If Golden is bad, Quin looks good, SVS gets brownie points.

If Golden is good, Quin looks terrible.

If Wilgy is bad, SVS looks bad.

If Wilgy is good, no one gets brownie points.

Can I not voice that both Michelle and Quin could be bad?

It's just PoE. I seen no reason to shift it horribly, not do I see reason to prefer one over the other.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 6:15 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:17 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:19 pm If everyone voting quin bails to vote Michelle or Vivax and Quin Is no longer a good option, most likely.

If Quin is actually up to be yeeted, then let's yeet.

If the argument is "Wilgy keeps mentioning quin, but doesn't vote there" then give me something that wouldn't result in my vote being vanity.

Spoiler: show

This is the worst reasoning you’ve given to anything all game, Wilgy. Here:

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:01 pm Vote count currently 30 hours left in day 5

Spoiler: show

DFaraday
0
No votes
Voters: None
DrWilgy
0
No votes
Voters: None
Elohcin
0
No votes
Voters: None
Golden
2
18%
Voters: Quin, Matahari
Michelle
1
9%
Voters: S~V~S
Quin
2
18%
Voters: Golden, Scotty
Scotty
0
No votes
Voters: None
sig
0
No votes
Voters: None
Sloonei
0
No votes
Voters: None
S~V~S
0
No votes
Voters: None
Vivax
0
No votes
Voters: None

The benefit of posting these little vote counts is such that I can really see transitions. As you can see, Quin was the leading wagon before you came in. At some point, you voted for Michelle, though you never posted as such in thread, so I can’t exactly see when you did so. At some point after this poll, I switched to SVS. Which would still mean Quin and Michelle had 1 vote each.

Your claim here that your vote would be vanity is patently false.

I don't see a 2-1-2 split as wagons. That's just early vote posturing where vanity is to not be considered. Voted for Michelle to see what would happen. Vanity would be if I were to go to off wagon now where it's actually possible for the posture to shift.

Did the same shit to G-Man I think, voted G. Saw that the wagon was skewed, moved to Sloonei, realized that G was potentially being saved by it, moved back because I didn't want that.

That's also why I'm keen to Vivax going over as well. The argument for moving off G was presented by them as wagonomics, however I think that may have been a save attempt as opposed to actually reviewing vote posturing and knowing you'd be around to move back later if needed.

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 6:04 pm

sig wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:59 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:11 pm

Vivax wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:08 pm Guessing sig or eloh had their vote snatched away

Elo’s a good guess. I don’t think sig is a likely candidate tho. Id guess it would be more of a consensus town read

I’m a consensus town read tyvm

Same.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 6:04 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 6:01 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:59 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:51 pm @S~V~S did you switch back to Michelle because you want the wagons to be close to even or you still suspect her more than Quin?

I think Michelle and Quin could be teammates, they never ever quoted or mentioned each other.

Wilgy moving his vote when he did freaked me a bit and made me question that. Like maybe Wilgy bad (I’ve been town reading him based on one post). I am ready willing and able to move votes back if a different consensus is reached.

Based on one post eh? Which post is that?

Where he came in and didn’t know that if replaced DH. He’s a hard read for me and his votes didn’t get my eye. Until now

sig wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 6:02 pm I’m feeling the Michelle/Willy/Quin team if I had to sub out one I’d say probably Michelle

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:59 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:51 pm @S~V~S did you switch back to Michelle because you want the wagons to be close to even or you still suspect her more than Quin?

I think Michelle and Quin could be teammates, they never ever quoted or mentioned each other.

Wilgy moving his vote when he did freaked me a bit and made me question that. Like maybe Wilgy bad (I’ve been town reading him based on one post). I am ready willing and able to move votes back if a different consensus is reached.

sig wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:59 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:11 pm

Vivax wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:08 pm Guessing sig or eloh had their vote snatched away

Elo’s a good guess. I don’t think sig is a likely candidate tho. Id guess it would be more of a consensus town read

I’m a consensus town read tyvm

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:54 pm I was doing the same thing Scotty, now i can go to sleep.

If anyone wants to ask me something I am still here for a while

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:38 pm I think two of the three wagons could be Mafia, pretty much all of us have been circling these three people.

But which two?

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:48 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 8:01 pm Day 1 vote tally

Spoiler: show

Who is getting a nine iron to the face?

Poll ended at Tue Oct 25, 2022 8:00 pm

bea
1
3%


Voters: LoRab

DFaraday
0
No votes


Voters: None

DharmaHelper
0
No votes


Voters: None

DrWilgy
0
No votes


Voters: None

Elohcin
4
13%


Voters: Sloonei, Quin, NotAnAxehole, Michelle

fingersplints
0
No votes


Voters: None

G-Man
1
3%


Voters: DharmaHelper

Golden
2
6%


Voters: G-Man, DrWilgy

Kate
0
No votes


Voters: None

thellama73
0
No votes


Voters: None

Lorab
0
No votes


Voters: None

Michelle
0
No votes


Voters: None

NotAnAxehole
0
No votes


Voters: None

Quin
2
6%


Voters: Scotty, Golden

Scotty
1
3%


Voters: Kate

sig
1
3%


Voters: sig

Sloonei
4
13%


Voters: Elohcin, fingersplints, Vivax, thellama73

Vivax
0
No votes


Voters: None

Atlas (The Host, the Non, the Dead)
15
48%


Voters: juliets, Matahari, S~V~S, RondoDimBuckle, JaggedJimmyJay, Dyslexicon, NateTheLesser, nutella, MacDougall, lucy, Gira, Sabiplz, hollowkatt, Spacedaisy, Epignosis


Total votes: 31

Eod 1
Bea 1 Lorab
Eloh 4 Sloo Quin NAA/Vivax2. 0 Mich
Gman 1 DH/Svs
Golden 2 Gman Wilgy
Scotty 1 Kate
Sig 1 Sig
Sloo 4 Eloh Fingers Vivax1.0 Llama

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 8:20 pm Day 2 Poll

Spoiler: show

Who called the Toon Patrol?

Poll ended at Fri Oct 28, 2022 8:00 pm

bea
0
No votes


Voters: None

DFaraday
0
No votes


Voters: None

DharmaHelper
4
15%


Voters: LoRab, Kate, DharmaHelper, Golden

DrWilgy
0
No votes


Voters: None

Elohcin
0
No votes


Voters: None

G-Man
0
No votes


Voters: None

Golden
0
No votes


Voters: None

Kate
0
No votes


Voters: None

thellama73
0
No votes


Voters: None

Lorab
6
23%


Voters: Sloonei, DFaraday, Elohcin, Scotty, Quin, G-Man

Michelle
0
No votes


Voters: None

NotAnAxehole
1
4%


Voters: bea

Quin
4
15%


Voters: thellama73, JaggedJimmyJay, Vivax, DrWilgy

sig
0
No votes


Voters: None

Sloonei
0
No votes


Voters: None

Eddie Valiant (The Host, the Non, the Dead)
11
42%


Voters: MacDougall, Sabiplz, Neon, nutella, fingersplints, juliets, Marmot, Matahari, S~V~S, Spacedaisy, Epignosis


Total votes: 26

Eod 2
DH/Svs 4 Lorab Kate DH Golden
Lorab 6 Sloo DF Elo, Scotty Quin Gman
NAA/Vivax 2.0 - Bea
Quin 4 Llama Jay Vivax2.0 Wilgy



Posting now, conclusions in the next post

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:10 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:06 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:16 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:11 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 10:17 am

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:59 am

Vivax wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 4:46 pm

I‘m rather saying that if you expected mafia to act in a certain way while discussing Wilgy and then quickly finished the thought with a conclusion that they‘re town, it means you juggled with a wilgy scum scenario openly but pointlessly which brings up questions about the intention of your post.

From your perspective, I‘d be a bit more wary also for voting reasons. If you suspect Quin, assuming both svs and wilgy town while they vote Michelle spawns the question about who you think is trying to mount a rescue of Quin.

OK, so I've thought a bit more about your last paragraph here, actually tried analysing my perspective and also being open minded on wilgy.

So, first:

The blatant no u by Quin on me, plus the matahari vote in proximate time frames (from my perspective), feel quite compatible with an attempted start of a save. I do admit that this is a self-centred approach... I've been a mislynch target of baddies often in my career, and Quin also was trying to pretzel me last night - whether genuine or not.

The idea of 'Michelle as save' hadn't yet crossed my mind when you brought it up. It would have eventually, but in the context of me trying to participate on a Sunday morning, I wasn't in deep analysis mode.

SVS didn't appeal to me as a Quin teammate. She was skeeved enough by him echoing me in the thread during the bea lynch that she called him my attorney. My sense of SVS is that she's been fairly consistently suspicious of Quin.

So I went and did a (skim) iso of SVS looking for her mentions of Quin, and I still don't really have reason to feel bad about SVS. Early on she said Quin was a null read, she needed to get on top of that. Then she starting focusing on me, Sloonei & Quin (a focus I think she's never really lost, on any of the three of us). She called us the 'triumverate of content', something which blatantly snubbed scotty. But she explained she was talking about the three she was at best null on. If she's Quin's teammate, she's been distancing for a while. Undoing that with an instant save after a single vote on Quin feels incorrect to me.

Wilgy, rather than isoing him, I focused on his voting patterns. After all, he did do the 'perfect' timing on the G-Man vote. If Wilgy is bad, he's a baddie who is quite comfortable bussing his teammate at the perfect time for cred.

On day one he was one of two votes on me. There were also two votes on Quin, along with the four on each of eloh and sloonei, at the end of the day. I do feel like some analysis of vote order could be valuable.

Wilgy was one of four voters for Quin on a day where LoRab was lynched with 6, and G-Man did play quite a decisive role there in ensuring LoRab went. I had completely forgotten Quin had taken four votes that day, in my head it was DH vs LoRab. If Quin flips wolf, this vote is as well placed for Wilgy as his vote on G-Man is the next day, in terms of town cred.

Then there's the G-Man vote.

Then he's back on Quin on day four.

And now he's not on Quin again.

So actually, in the vote analysis... I'd say a wilgy/quin w/w stacks up as a fair possibility and I really didn't expect to see that going in. It's enough for Wilgy to get put back in the mix.

If I'm wrong about Wilgy and he's a wolf with Quin there's a specific reason why that's going to be very ironic and I'll be kind of annoyed/frustrated with myself again.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

However, I'd also note another possibility.

As of now, 5/11 of players in the game are voting.

That means six are not. I do not think it unlikely that there are wolves in that group, and I continue to feel bothered by the fact that I can't get three of them out of the PoE, even when I feel good about them.

Those three are DF, Michelle and sig.

I would not be at all surprised if both of quin's teammates are in that group, and if so far the only save on me has been from Quin itself.

I think it's worth noting that every one out of G-Man, Quin, DF and sig have voted for me in this game in ways that I would categorise as a 'no u'. That sticks out to me because they've all played with civ me before and they know I'm messy and mislynchable but that I am also perceptive. I didn't think G-Man's no u stood up and to be honest I don't think any of their no u's really stand up (if any one of them does stand up, it's sig's because taking sus while cursed does suck).

I’m glad you pointed this out RE Wilgy:
“Then he's back on Quin on day four.

And now he's not on Quin again.”

Because today we have this:

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:51 pm Further on Michelle. Quin still tastes better. Also Vivax.

BUT saw the option for Michelle wagon. I like it too.

I think Wilgy should put his money where his tongue is

I would if allowed to. Quins been a W vibe for awhile now.

You say ‘if allowed to’ but also you are voting there now. I’m conscious we might be on the very edge of infodumping here but… question… are you suggesting that your vote will not end on today?

Do you need me to find you a brick wall?

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:40 pm Day 2 has another self vote, DH voted himself.
This was the Eod where I couldn't vote, I understood that was probably the reason for the curse to post in that odd way in D3. Sig had the same fate.

How these wagons formed?
Was the wagon on Lorab made to save someone?
I hoped i can find the answer at this

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:22 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 4:30 pm The gold one has spoken

@Sloonei @Kate @Vivax (who's temporarily off the hook) vote Quin for shits and giggles with me.

Like, this shit last cycle.

While I didn't disagree with Bea voters, my alternatives of Quin/Vivax weren't even considered yesterday when I stated the above.

Think Kate even was like "nah tastes o'poo"

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:19 pm If everyone voting quin bails to vote Michelle or Vivax and Quin Is no longer a good option, most likely.

If Quin is actually up to be yeeted, then let's yeet.

If the argument is "Wilgy keeps mentioning quin, but doesn't vote there" then give me something that wouldn't result in my vote being vanity.

Spoiler: show

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:01 pm Vote count currently 30 hours left in day 5

Spoiler: show

DFaraday
0
No votes
Voters: None
DrWilgy
0
No votes
Voters: None
Elohcin
0
No votes
Voters: None
Golden
2
18%
Voters: Quin, Matahari
Michelle
1
9%
Voters: S~V~S
Quin
2
18%
Voters: Golden, Scotty
Scotty
0
No votes
Voters: None
sig
0
No votes
Voters: None
Sloonei
0
No votes
Voters: None
S~V~S
0
No votes
Voters: None
Vivax
0
No votes
Voters: None

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:16 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:11 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 10:17 am

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:59 am

Vivax wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 4:46 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 4:21 pm Unless what you’re saying is ‘golden is aware of what he’d do when bad because he’s bad’

In which case, let me point you to the number of mafia wins I’ve had here which have come on the back of perfecting the art of bussing teammates at just the right time for civ cred.

I’m aware of it precisely because it’s in my toolkit. I don’t give civ cred for good voting. I do give scum cred for bad voting.

I‘m rather saying that if you expected mafia to act in a certain way while discussing Wilgy and then quickly finished the thought with a conclusion that they‘re town, it means you juggled with a wilgy scum scenario openly but pointlessly which brings up questions about the intention of your post.

From your perspective, I‘d be a bit more wary also for voting reasons. If you suspect Quin, assuming both svs and wilgy town while they vote Michelle spawns the question about who you think is trying to mount a rescue of Quin.

OK, so I've thought a bit more about your last paragraph here, actually tried analysing my perspective and also being open minded on wilgy.

So, first:

The blatant no u by Quin on me, plus the matahari vote in proximate time frames (from my perspective), feel quite compatible with an attempted start of a save. I do admit that this is a self-centred approach... I've been a mislynch target of baddies often in my career, and Quin also was trying to pretzel me last night - whether genuine or not.

The idea of 'Michelle as save' hadn't yet crossed my mind when you brought it up. It would have eventually, but in the context of me trying to participate on a Sunday morning, I wasn't in deep analysis mode.

SVS didn't appeal to me as a Quin teammate. She was skeeved enough by him echoing me in the thread during the bea lynch that she called him my attorney. My sense of SVS is that she's been fairly consistently suspicious of Quin.

So I went and did a (skim) iso of SVS looking for her mentions of Quin, and I still don't really have reason to feel bad about SVS. Early on she said Quin was a null read, she needed to get on top of that. Then she starting focusing on me, Sloonei & Quin (a focus I think she's never really lost, on any of the three of us). She called us the 'triumverate of content', something which blatantly snubbed scotty. But she explained she was talking about the three she was at best null on. If she's Quin's teammate, she's been distancing for a while. Undoing that with an instant save after a single vote on Quin feels incorrect to me.

Wilgy, rather than isoing him, I focused on his voting patterns. After all, he did do the 'perfect' timing on the G-Man vote. If Wilgy is bad, he's a baddie who is quite comfortable bussing his teammate at the perfect time for cred.

On day one he was one of two votes on me. There were also two votes on Quin, along with the four on each of eloh and sloonei, at the end of the day. I do feel like some analysis of vote order could be valuable.

Wilgy was one of four voters for Quin on a day where LoRab was lynched with 6, and G-Man did play quite a decisive role there in ensuring LoRab went. I had completely forgotten Quin had taken four votes that day, in my head it was DH vs LoRab. If Quin flips wolf, this vote is as well placed for Wilgy as his vote on G-Man is the next day, in terms of town cred.

Then there's the G-Man vote.

Then he's back on Quin on day four.

And now he's not on Quin again.

So actually, in the vote analysis... I'd say a wilgy/quin w/w stacks up as a fair possibility and I really didn't expect to see that going in. It's enough for Wilgy to get put back in the mix.

If I'm wrong about Wilgy and he's a wolf with Quin there's a specific reason why that's going to be very ironic and I'll be kind of annoyed/frustrated with myself again.

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However, I'd also note another possibility.

As of now, 5/11 of players in the game are voting.

That means six are not. I do not think it unlikely that there are wolves in that group, and I continue to feel bothered by the fact that I can't get three of them out of the PoE, even when I feel good about them.

Those three are DF, Michelle and sig.

I would not be at all surprised if both of quin's teammates are in that group, and if so far the only save on me has been from Quin itself.

I think it's worth noting that every one out of G-Man, Quin, DF and sig have voted for me in this game in ways that I would categorise as a 'no u'. That sticks out to me because they've all played with civ me before and they know I'm messy and mislynchable but that I am also perceptive. I didn't think G-Man's no u stood up and to be honest I don't think any of their no u's really stand up (if any one of them does stand up, it's sig's because taking sus while cursed does suck).

I’m glad you pointed this out RE Wilgy:
“Then he's back on Quin on day four.

And now he's not on Quin again.”

Because today we have this:

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:51 pm Further on Michelle. Quin still tastes better. Also Vivax.

BUT saw the option for Michelle wagon. I like it too.

I think Wilgy should put his money where his tongue is

I would if allowed to. Quins been a W vibe for awhile now.

You say ‘if allowed to’ but also you are voting there now. I’m conscious we might be on the very edge of infodumping here but… question… are you suggesting that your vote will not end on Quin today?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:11 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 10:17 am

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:59 am

Vivax wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 4:46 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 4:21 pm Unless what you’re saying is ‘golden is aware of what he’d do when bad because he’s bad’

In which case, let me point you to the number of mafia wins I’ve had here which have come on the back of perfecting the art of bussing teammates at just the right time for civ cred.

I’m aware of it precisely because it’s in my toolkit. I don’t give civ cred for good voting. I do give scum cred for bad voting.

I‘m rather saying that if you expected mafia to act in a certain way while discussing Wilgy and then quickly finished the thought with a conclusion that they‘re town, it means you juggled with a wilgy scum scenario openly but pointlessly which brings up questions about the intention of your post.

From your perspective, I‘d be a bit more wary also for voting reasons. If you suspect Quin, assuming both svs and wilgy town while they vote Michelle spawns the question about who you think is trying to mount a rescue of Quin.

OK, so I've thought a bit more about your last paragraph here, actually tried analysing my perspective and also being open minded on wilgy.

So, first:

The blatant no u by Quin on me, plus the matahari vote in proximate time frames (from my perspective), feel quite compatible with an attempted start of a save. I do admit that this is a self-centred approach... I've been a mislynch target of baddies often in my career, and Quin also was trying to pretzel me last night - whether genuine or not.

The idea of 'Michelle as save' hadn't yet crossed my mind when you brought it up. It would have eventually, but in the context of me trying to participate on a Sunday morning, I wasn't in deep analysis mode.

SVS didn't appeal to me as a Quin teammate. She was skeeved enough by him echoing me in the thread during the bea lynch that she called him my attorney. My sense of SVS is that she's been fairly consistently suspicious of Quin.

So I went and did a (skim) iso of SVS looking for her mentions of Quin, and I still don't really have reason to feel bad about SVS. Early on she said Quin was a null read, she needed to get on top of that. Then she starting focusing on me, Sloonei & Quin (a focus I think she's never really lost, on any of the three of us). She called us the 'triumverate of content', something which blatantly snubbed scotty. But she explained she was talking about the three she was at best null on. If she's Quin's teammate, she's been distancing for a while. Undoing that with an instant save after a single vote on Quin feels incorrect to me.

Wilgy, rather than isoing him, I focused on his voting patterns. After all, he did do the 'perfect' timing on the G-Man vote. If Wilgy is bad, he's a baddie who is quite comfortable bussing his teammate at the perfect time for cred.

On day one he was one of two votes on me. There were also two votes on Quin, along with the four on each of eloh and sloonei, at the end of the day. I do feel like some analysis of vote order could be valuable.

Wilgy was one of four voters for Quin on a day where LoRab was lynched with 6, and G-Man did play quite a decisive role there in ensuring LoRab went. I had completely forgotten Quin had taken four votes that day, in my head it was DH vs LoRab. If Quin flips wolf, this vote is as well placed for Wilgy as his vote on G-Man is the next day, in terms of town cred.

Then there's the G-Man vote.

Then he's back on Quin on day four.

And now he's not on Quin again.

So actually, in the vote analysis... I'd say a wilgy/quin w/w stacks up as a fair possibility and I really didn't expect to see that going in. It's enough for Wilgy to get put back in the mix.

If I'm wrong about Wilgy and he's a wolf with Quin there's a specific reason why that's going to be very ironic and I'll be kind of annoyed/frustrated with myself again.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

However, I'd also note another possibility.

As of now, 5/11 of players in the game are voting.

That means six are not. I do not think it unlikely that there are wolves in that group, and I continue to feel bothered by the fact that I can't get three of them out of the PoE, even when I feel good about them.

Those three are DF, Michelle and sig.

I would not be at all surprised if both of quin's teammates are in that group, and if so far the only save on me has been from Quin itself.

I think it's worth noting that every one out of G-Man, Quin, DF and sig have voted for me in this game in ways that I would categorise as a 'no u'. That sticks out to me because they've all played with civ me before and they know I'm messy and mislynchable but that I am also perceptive. I didn't think G-Man's no u stood up and to be honest I don't think any of their no u's really stand up (if any one of them does stand up, it's sig's because taking sus while cursed does suck).

I’m glad you pointed this out RE Wilgy:
“Then he's back on Quin on day four.

And now he's not on Quin again.”

Because today we have this:

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:51 pm Further on Michelle. Quin still tastes better. Also Vivax.

BUT saw the option for Michelle wagon. I like it too.

I think Wilgy should put his money where his tongue is

I would if allowed to. Quins been a W vibe for awhile now.

Vivax wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:08 pm Guessing sig or eloh had their vote snatched away

Vivax wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 1:57 pm Any idea in whose stead Mata Hari is voting for ?

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 1:56 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:57 am

Vivax wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:51 am Free townread for the first person to build a case on Scotty

Here’s something I was thinking about that I’m surprised no one even theorized:
What if I had my mafia team kill me with the (pretty good) idea that I would be rezzed again? Wouldn’t that be far out?

Scotty, I would legit love it if this is true.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 1:04 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:57 am

Vivax wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:51 am Free townread for the first person to build a case on Scotty

Here’s something I was thinking about that I’m surprised no one even theorized:
What if I had my mafia team kill me with the (pretty good) idea that I would be rezzed again? Wouldn’t that be far out?

I've seen it done, more than once iirc, but not via thread vote. In our OG forums like the Piano, games with multiple rezzes, recruitments, etc. were the norm.

But you came back with somewhat different reads from when you left. As a civ, after I am NK I almost ALWAYS see the thread in a new light. Baddies usually don't. That's why I specifically asked why you thought they killed you, I was hoping you might have had an epiphany while in the afterlife.

If you are bad, you have my vote for Best Baddie Socky for sure.

@bea I'm still looking for it. If I can't find it, my brother has a copy and he said he'd email it to me when he gets home tomorrow.

Vivax wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:48 am I liked Goldens reply. The analysis of LoraB vs Quin day with G-Man tipping the scales in favour of Quin is a strong point.

[VOTE: Quin] aubergine

Will be impressed if mafia Quin puts up this level of sass in response to pressure

Vivax wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:51 am Free townread for the first person to build a case on Scotty