The Syndicate

Kate wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 12:35 pm Also @Vivax jack is now Neon.

I hope neon is at least paying utilities if not partial rent

Spoiler: show

Vivax wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 10:34 am I'm here now. Got sick, but don't make it matter save as explanation for my prolonged absence, thanks.

On my partial catchup so far, SVS and Seanzie seemed unpaired from their back and forth. Seanzie seems to react very strongly to suspicion so far up to page 11. Seems to be very focused on reacting aggressively to suspicion thrown his way. Fast forwarding, worth mentioning that Scotty started questioning me about my vote on him on this day. Could be a possible pairing.

SVS is very focused on summarizing and creating narratives or mental representations of what she sees. That lines up with the townplay I'm used from her, she doesn't seem to jump to conclusions particularly quickly.

Dennis has a very innocent or clueless tone. Maybe a bit exaggeratedly so, would tentatively scumlean this.

Lucy seemed to have engaged maximum humour, snark and rage at marmot for some reason. That's a tone I personally appreciate and have for myself, often. I have found myself unable to read her properly in the past, yeeted her for game meta centric reasons once. Abstain on a read for now.

Golden is less verbose than in the last game he won as scum, and otherwise unremarkable in his words. Coupled with his recent wagon complaint suggesting either TMI or an agenda, this is probably where I'll vote today.

Kate had one post in particular that stuck out to me where she asked what sheeping is iirc. I'd have to backread her other games or use the search function but considering her post volume of about 4k on this site I'm surprised that she didn't know the term. If she should have known what sheeping was, I'd accuse her of pretending not to know.

Falcon gives off the impression that he's not playing at maximum effort. But rather relaxedly so. Almost seemed bored. Going for a townlean pending further info. Tone fairly neutral and nonchalant which is good.

Scotty poked around a lot and still does, throwing in the occasional artsy post. Didn't like how aggressively he reacted to my Seanzie vote. Seemed to instantly want to put me on the backfoot even after knowing I wasn't caught up. Can't have it both ways when you try to be honest with your suspicion.

Dennis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:45 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Nov 28, 2022 11:57 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Nov 28, 2022 11:41 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Nov 28, 2022 11:21 pm Has stuff happened yet?

I am a windmill, on a cold, quiet night. So much wasted potential if ya ask me
What are your thots
Honestly, I don't know. My brain is only 1/9th present this game

I'm expecting I'll get a second wind 'round D3 or so
This feels weird. Why be active and posting but not try to participate? This is the same with Jack and Wigly, so unless someone wants to tell me this is just how they play, I don't like it.
Question: Who's Jack? Falcon?
As an aside, I find myself unable to take Dennis' question at face value here. I'd expect anyone to believe that someone else is participating while they are active and posting. Regardless of the content. So it appears as a loaded question.

Moving on...
But first

[VOTE: Golden] aubergine

“Golden is less verbose than in the last game he won as scum, and otherwise unremarkable in his words. Coupled with his recent wagon complaint suggesting either TMI or an agenda, this is probably where I'll vote today.”

He is definitely more verbose and messy in this game, which is a big reason I’m not gunning for him at all costs. Though it’s funny that you point out the difference and include it in a reason to scumread him.

“SVS is very focused on summarizing and creating narratives or mental representations of what she sees. That lines up with the townplay I'm used from her, she doesn't seem to jump to conclusions particularly quickly.”

Spoiler: show

What was she before if not towny?

“Scotty poked around a lot and still does, throwing in the occasional artsy post. Didn't like how aggressively he reacted to my Seanzie vote. Seemed to instantly want to put me on the backfoot even after knowing I wasn't caught up. Can't have it both ways when you try to be honest with your suspicion.”

What does poking around say about me in general? Am I playing off from when we played together last game? I voted you because of your previous slot but also you neglecting to initially answer what you found so towny about splints. “Instantly” is not how I’d describe it but that’s ok.

I can’t tell if you find me suspicious from this. Obviously, you then voted Golden over me so…I guess not?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 12:51 am
Golden wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 12:50 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 12:12 am
Golden wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 12:05 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 11:59 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 11:58 pm Vote count as of 22 hours left in D4:
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Dennis
1
8%
Voters: fingersplints
falcon45ca
3
23%
Voters: RondoDimBuckle, Neon, Golden
fingersplints
0
No votes
Voters: None
Golden
0
No votes
Voters: None
Neon (formerly jack shepherd)
0
No votes
Voters: None
Kate
0
No votes
Voters: None
lucy
0
No votes
Voters: None
RondoDimBuckle (formerly Bea)
0
No votes
Voters: None
Roxy
0
No votes
Voters: None
S~V~S
0
No votes
Voters: None
Scotty
0
No votes
Voters: None
Seanzie
2
15%
Voters: falcon45ca, Vivax
Vivax (formerly Matahari)
4
31%
Voters: Scotty, Dennis, Kate, Seanzie

Scotty, why are you town?

I feel like you're here, but not really
Did you shear scotty?
Is shearing something you guys talk about in forum mafia as in a wolf tactic and you are implying it here or this is a coindicental accident?
Scotty is a sheep. Or a wolf in sheeps clothing. One of those.
pick one

I’m neither. I’m not sheeping votes today and I’m not a wolf.

Kate wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 12:02 am The essence of scotty has joined the thread.

That fragrance is currently on sale in my Etsy store: http://www.etsy.com/viewtopic?=sg2797

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 11:59 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 11:58 pm Vote count as of 22 hours left in D4:
Spoiler: show
Dennis
1
8%
Voters: fingersplints
falcon45ca
3
23%
Voters: RondoDimBuckle, Neon, Golden
fingersplints
0
No votes
Voters: None
Golden
0
No votes
Voters: None
Neon (formerly jack shepherd)
0
No votes
Voters: None
Kate
0
No votes
Voters: None
lucy
0
No votes
Voters: None
RondoDimBuckle (formerly Bea)
0
No votes
Voters: None
Roxy
0
No votes
Voters: None
S~V~S
0
No votes
Voters: None
Scotty
0
No votes
Voters: None
Seanzie
2
15%
Voters: falcon45ca, Vivax
Vivax (formerly Matahari)
4
31%
Voters: Scotty, Dennis, Kate, Seanzie

Scotty, why are you town?

I feel like you're here, but not really

lol

Vote count as of 22 hours left in D4:

Spoiler: show

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 10:27 pm Dead chat dead town? Or wolves have given up and dont want to try and cause chaos?

Chaos has been aplenty today.

Also we’re all wolves and you are the only town

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 8:59 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 8:56 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 8:35 pm still no spoons, I'm sheeping wherever Dennis goes atm
Why me? I think I've shown I've got almost no clue what's going on still with all of my 'help what is happening' posts and I very much feel like a game of russian roulette right now.
Which is fake able watch

Help, what's going on? I haven't been in this game till today. Who should I vote?

Vote yourself

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 8:57 pm @Scotty if you don't think I am wolf what do you think about Seanzie trying to chop me on the sly?

I’ve given up figuring out Seanzie’s whims

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 8:32 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 8:20 pm I read Mata ISO and I feel pretty confident that is scum now.

Certain standouts:
-‘bea come out to play’ tells me this is probably not w/w with bea
-‘falcon could could be wolf, but someone said he does this as town, so maybe he’s town’. Super hedgy and nothing read
-“I need more time before I start making judgements.” The need-more-time excuse
-in a player salad list on D1, she included a handful of people- some town and some questionable and this: “Marmot, no clue. I'd like to hear what other players think of him. ???” Like, why even include that? Right below that she said a generic ‘everyone else is probably town’. What a weird smattering of reads.
-in explaining that list to marmot, she adds RE Soneji, who she said ‘I think he posted??’ : “I listed Soneji because I wanted my list to cover everyone in the game.”
Which is ironic because half the player list wasn’t included in this reads list
-marmot lists her at bottom of his rainbow. He died.
-On day 2: “I’ve rarely ever had strong feelings about players on day 1. It’s usually day 3 before I start getting deep suspicions against players.” Would explain her lackluster reads list. Either way, convenient excuse.
-“Why did Falcon vote Seanzie? Maybe they gave a reason why in an earlier post, but I can’t remember now so I’ll ISO them later or tomorrow.”
But then she got sleepy, and never came back to this. Empty read.
-Day 3: “It’s Day 3, my feels are kicking in, but this game is just divided. I have OGs on a list, and New Gs in another list. In the OGs, I see mostly town, but I can’t say that definitely for Splints, Roxy, or Bea. I also can’t say they feel like mafia either.”
Hedging once again, no commitment to anything.
Then she got hungry and left to make lunch and never came back, like my dad.

Add on that I’m not inspired by Vivax’ entrance in this slot and we got ourselves a bonafide wolf that I can definitely see.

It’s not the low posting- I want to be clear, Roxy. It’s the excuses and the lack of real reads even at Day 3. It’s unfortunate because I know she had an actual injury to her hand which is probably a bitch, but I have to look through that to the material she posted and it’s not great, Jim.

[VOTE: Vivax] aubergine

I think golden might be on the money here with these 2 as partners
I know I am town so Scotty looking mighty furry right now

To clarify- I don’t think you are wolf. Whereas I think Mata is

Kate wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 8:21 pm
Matahari wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 11:45 am i want to post my thoughts so far, while I have a minute. They are definitely not deep thoughts, but how deep can they be on day 1?
New players get a pass, until later in the game. Absent players, as well.
if I don't mention you, its because I have you as town for now.

Falcon45ca- I didn't find it suspicious that you chose someone quickly because with movable votes, it seems like a lot of players throw votes around in a slap-happy fashion. then you were questioned about it, and you promptly posted quotes for why you made your vote. This looked legit to me at the time. Later it occurred to me that maybe you did all that too quickly, Pre-planned? But someone, Sabiplz, I think, said this was normal for your town game.

Soneji posted, I think, but I'll need to go back and look to make sure. ???

Lucy- so far, is reminding me of Dr. Wilgy. Too random to read, and weird posting just annoys me because I don't know what to do with it. I'd like to hear from players who are familiar with them.

Seanzie made a very risky statement for a town player to make. Or just an 'I can't be bothered' statement. Since it was preceded by an 'Ugh', I'm going with the former.

Sabiplz drew attention to his post, then backed away from it, then said she rarely voted early or often, then 17 minutes later she voted for Seanzie. None of this feels right.

Golden got a vote from Falcon, and although Falcon's reasons would not be enough to convince me to vote someone, I thought they were ok for a day 1. However after post 486 ( I think, I'll go back and check later and do an ebwop if necessary), I have Golden as town.

Marmot, no clue. I'd like to hear what other players think of him. ???

Everyone else, I have as probably town. I have no absolutes this early, but I'm watching the players above who pinged me. I'd like to hear what other players think of my not so deep thoughts, please.

Matahari wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 11:07 pm I slept most of the day. I did not intend to.
I still have Sabi as a suspicion, for reasons mentioned on d1, but I have considered that maybe they really mistrusted Seanzie. Then they started to backpedal some, and I’m back to sq1.

Why did Falcon vote Seanzie? Maybe they gave a reason why in an earlier post, but I can’t remember now so I’ll ISO them later or tomorrow.

I don’t understand Lucy’s vote for Bea either, it seems a bad idea to go after low posters, just for being a low poster, this early. (It doesn’t help that I still feel so bad for suspecting Bea in the anni game 1)

I can’t remember what else I read earlier because I’m getting sleepy again but I know there’s more. I’ll post again after I sleep on it.

Matahari wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 2:35 pm Im awake for the moment, and caught up, I’m sick and I apologize for that. I like to be present in games but I didn’t see this winter crap coming on this early, so I’m going to do my best here
@Dennis I think you’re doing fabulous. If I didn’t know you through your mom, I would probably be suspicious of your performance and think you had a team. But I don’t think you are mafia at this time, because Ive heard you’re smart and driven to excel, and Kate probably helped prepare you well before the game ever started. My op could change, but I doubt it will.
@Scotty I am still susp of Sabi because her actions during day1 reminded me of old old-school mafia, when a wolf would start to build a case against someone by just slinging a little mud, and later, the teammates would join in and the result would be a miselim. But, nobody joined in right away. That gave me pause, like maybe I was seeing something that just wasn’t there. Then Sabi seemed to back off and give up and I still don’t like it. Unless Sabi flips, I’m not going to know anything for sure. And if she is bad, then I’ll go back and look for anyone who might have subtly supported her.
I could see voting Lucy as a second choice, because I don’t like the reasoning behind her vote for Bea. Low posting is NAI and I don’t understand why someone would use that as criteria for a vote.
If I missed any other questions for me, please remind me. I’ll check in often.
The red is reeking of teammate references. Bring him up, cast light suspicion, then disregard.

Any thoughts on the interaction between scotty and Mata? I'm going to post this and then reread what scotty asked her.

I’m glad we basically were coming to the same conclusion there

We need consolidation. We got some time, but that would be lovely.

I read Mata ISO and I feel pretty confident that is scum now.

Certain standouts:
-‘bea come out to play’ tells me this is probably not w/w with bea
-‘falcon could could be wolf, but someone said he does this as town, so maybe he’s town’. Super hedgy and nothing read
-“I need more time before I start making judgements.” The need-more-time excuse
-in a player salad list on D1, she included a handful of people- some town and some questionable and this: “Marmot, no clue. I'd like to hear what other players think of him. ???” Like, why even include that? Right below that she said a generic ‘everyone else is probably town’. What a weird smattering of reads.
-in explaining that list to marmot, she adds RE Soneji, who she said ‘I think he posted??’ : “I listed Soneji because I wanted my list to cover everyone in the game.”
Which is ironic because half the player list wasn’t included in this reads list
-marmot lists her at bottom of his rainbow. He died.
-On day 2: “I’ve rarely ever had strong feelings about players on day 1. It’s usually day 3 before I start getting deep suspicions against players.” Would explain her lackluster reads list. Either way, convenient excuse.
-“Why did Falcon vote Seanzie? Maybe they gave a reason why in an earlier post, but I can’t remember now so I’ll ISO them later or tomorrow.”
But then she got sleepy, and never came back to this. Empty read.
-Day 3: “It’s Day 3, my feels are kicking in, but this game is just divided. I have OGs on a list, and New Gs in another list. In the OGs, I see mostly town, but I can’t say that definitely for Splints, Roxy, or Bea. I also can’t say they feel like mafia either.”
Hedging once again, no commitment to anything.
Then she got hungry and left to make lunch and never came back, like my dad.

Add on that I’m not inspired by Vivax’ entrance in this slot and we got ourselves a bonafide wolf that I can definitely see.

It’s not the low posting- I want to be clear, Roxy. It’s the excuses and the lack of real reads even at Day 3. It’s unfortunate because I know she had an actual injury to her hand which is probably a bitch, but I have to look through that to the material she posted and it’s not great, Jim.

[VOTE: Vivax] aubergine

I think golden might be on the money here with these 2 as partners

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 5:18 pm You can fishslap me that’s fine

oh thanks

Dennis wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 5:15 pm Does anyone actually know what's going on because I'm getting lost in the multiple worlds and they're mixing together

No.

Neon says golden is obv town, because obviously.
Golden is right, even though he’s wrong.
Seanzie is here.

It’s above my pay grade. I get paid in peanuts and popcorn kernels

Anyway, before Seanzie made his comment:

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 1:13 pm
Vivax wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 1:09 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 12:59 pm
Vivax wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 12:48 pm
fingersplints wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 8:55 am I don’t think most people would consider using personal friendship to emotional manipulate an example of good gameplay.

I’m not trying to make you feel guilty.
Breaks OP rules but not etiquette rules. I like it.
Omgusing this for you.

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine
What about Seanzie is sus to you?
He‘s voting FS.
I wouldn‘t vote FS with what I‘ve seen.
Do you think I shouldn‘t be sus of Sean, conversely ?
What specifically have you seen from FS that doesn’t merit voting there?

@Vivax you didn’t answer this but have gone on to post since

Unless I was the NK target I have a vague feeling I probably don’t have a vote today.

Just a hunch. Playing as if I do, but it wouldn’t surprise me

Ok then
[VOTE: falcon] aubergine

Falcon is like…not even on my radar but here we are.

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 4:39 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 4:23 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 4:08 pm There's two worlds here and I hate trying to figure out which one is real.
Describe both worlds.
One. Your doc Golden is right your powers Golden was right but outed you so you want to make it look like Golden is wrong so you don't get killed

Two. Golden is wrong your not doc Golden was probably never even the target Golden has played this entire game under an understanding that was false and continues to blindly follow the conclusions made while under that understanding without any reevaluation about what changes in a world where their entire worldview is based on lies.

What does this have to do with why you’re on me?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 1:15 pm I'd elim Golden here.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 1:25 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 1:23 pm Seanzie says that but is voting Splints
I'll give you 5 guesses to figure out why I said what I said.

1. All play and no sense makes Sean a dull boy
2. All play and no sense makes Sean a dull boy
3. All play and no sense makes Sean a dull boy
4. All play and no sense makes Sean a dull boy
5. All play and no sense makes Sean a dull boy

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 4:13 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 4:09 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 3:51 pm I see, apparently scotty voted for me because sean said he'd elim me.

I think this makes no sense.
I mean it makes perfect sense where I'm standing.
Why? There should be no connection between whether I believe Sean saved me, and whether he (afterwards) says he would elim me. What is the connection?

I must be dense, because all I see is Sean signaling he did not save you and that we should be voting there.

Please explain like I’m 5

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 4:09 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 3:51 pm I see, apparently scotty voted for me because sean said he'd elim me.

I think this makes no sense.
I mean it makes perfect sense where I'm standing.

So why are you voting me again?

Kate wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 1:27 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 1:25 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 1:23 pm Seanzie says that but is voting Splints
I'll give you 5 guesses to figure out why I said what I said.
I hope that one day I understand your gameplay, as it's nothing if not interesting. You are always an enigma

At least he’s not an enema

I heard those are all the rage

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 1:23 pm Seanzie says that but is voting Splints

Nothing about Seanzie’s game has made sense.

It reads as a sheep wearing wolf’s clothing while also cosplaying as a badger

Kate wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 1:17 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 1:17 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 1:15 pm I'd elim Golden here.
Well.

That’s a departure from Golden’s theory
For real?

Why would Seanzie, the doctor that supposedly saved Golden on N2, ever be voting Golden here

[VOTE: Golden] aubergine

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 1:15 pm I'd elim Golden here.

Well.

That’s a departure from Golden’s theory

Vivax wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 1:09 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 12:59 pm
Vivax wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 12:48 pm
fingersplints wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 8:55 am I don’t think most people would consider using personal friendship to emotional manipulate an example of good gameplay.

I’m not trying to make you feel guilty.
Breaks OP rules but not etiquette rules. I like it.
Omgusing this for you.

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine
What about Seanzie is sus to you?
He‘s voting FS.
I wouldn‘t vote FS with what I‘ve seen.
Do you think I shouldn‘t be sus of Sean, conversely ?

What specifically have you seen from FS that doesn’t merit voting there?

Vivax wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 12:48 pm
fingersplints wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 8:55 am I don’t think most people would consider using personal friendship to emotional manipulate an example of good gameplay.

I’m not trying to make you feel guilty.
Breaks OP rules but not etiquette rules. I like it.
Omgusing this for you.

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

What about Seanzie is sus to you?

Vivax wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 12:56 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 12:49 pm
Vivax wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 12:48 pm
fingersplints wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 8:55 am I don’t think most people would consider using personal friendship to emotional manipulate an example of good gameplay.

I’m not trying to make you feel guilty.
Breaks OP rules but not etiquette rules. I like it.
Omgusing this for you.

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine
Hi Vivax long time no talk

How much of the thread have you read?
Very little.
I‘m focusing on undigging my McMurderface self.
I‘m a sundered soul, half man half reconstruction. And I need retribution.

So you’re like the Terminator.

But the Arnold from the second one and not the first.

Vivax wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 12:48 pm
fingersplints wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 8:55 am I don’t think most people would consider using personal friendship to emotional manipulate an example of good gameplay.

I’m not trying to make you feel guilty.
Breaks OP rules but not etiquette rules. I like it.
Omgusing this for you.

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

Hi Vivax long time no talk

How much of the thread have you read?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 12:02 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 11:58 am
Golden wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 5:42 am The story of how I am certain I was the nightkill target.

I apologise for outing the doctor. I think you're outed anyway, because I think the mafia tried to kill you last night. Hope I'm right, I profusely apologise if you hate me for doing this.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:50 pm I feel like Marmot and/or Golden are WKing me.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:51 pm I guess Golden is probably more likely mafia WKing me since Marmot actually knows me well enough to have a townread on me.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:55 pm [VOTE: Golden] aubergine

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 9:47 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 9:45 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 9:44 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 9:43 pm

Why is Wilgy Maf?
I have almost no recollection of anything Wilgy did this game. You're asking the wrong person.
Pure self pres then?

So, Golden and/or Marmot is one of the last SRs you gave...still true?
I think Golden is possibly WKing me, yes. Not such a strong read to not vote in the same place as they though. Marmot feels okay.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 9:51 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 9:49 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 9:47 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 9:45 pm

Pure self pres then?

So, Golden and/or Marmot is one of the last SRs you gave...still true?
I think Golden is possibly WKing me, yes. Not such a strong read to not vote in the same place as they though. Marmot feels okay.
Is there anything about their play beyond WKing that leads you to belive Golden is Maf?
I don't remember a single thing about them aside from feeling like they are overconfidently/unusually townreading me. It started like early too.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:51 pm [VOTE: Golden] aubergine

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 4:28 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 4:22 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 4:22 pm [VOTE: Sabi] aubergine
Still worried I’m WKing you?
Perpetually.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 10:05 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 10:02 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 10:01 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 9:51 pm I could vote soneji independent of my sabi read.
Why?
Approach to Seanzie feels like someone who understands day one more through wolfchat than thread to me

G-Man wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 10:48 pm
CONTAINMENT

Robbie woke up to the sounds of morning life on the street. The light gradually crept into and spread across the room as he nursed his hangover with bananas and coffee. He stretched for a few minutes to work out the kinks from another night on a mattress that wouldn’t even cut it at a Motel 6 back home.

Once his head stopped pounding enough, he collected himself, took a piss, and pulled his money out of the nightstand. A good breakfast would do him wonders. It felt safe enough to venture out. Despite the hangover, the night was uneventful. That had to be a good sign, right?

He tied his shoes, put on his sunglasses, and opened the door. He couldn’t wait to get out of this place, but right now fresh air and a warm meal was all that was on the menu.

--------------------------------

IT IS NOW DAY 3. YOU HAVE 48 HOURS TO ELIMINATE SOMEONE.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 12:55 am
Golden wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 12:41 am @Seanzie, what do you think of my thoughts so far today. Do you think I'm looking in the right directions, generally speaking?

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 12:43 am [VOTE: Matahari] aubergine

Let's start down this road and see what comes.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 12:56 am [VOTE: Matahari] aubergine

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 6:34 pm [VOTE: splints] aubergine

I’ve been flirting with it for a while

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 6:52 pm [VOTE: Fingersplints] aubergine

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 7:37 am
Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 10:05 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 6:52 pm [VOTE: Fingersplints] aubergine
No one pressured this. Why'd you vote splints?
Why would someone need pressure to do something?

I'm sheeping Golden.

Thank you for spelling this out.

So you think that since Seanzie was sheeping you coming into D3, you were saved by him. Gotcha.

Plausible I guess
Also seems like something Maf could easily do, seeing their kill didn't go thru, and then they can fake it

So you’re saying Golden has been bamboozled by Seanzie

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 5:42 am The story of how I am certain I was the nightkill target.

I apologise for outing the doctor. I think you're outed anyway, because I think the mafia tried to kill you last night. Hope I'm right, I profusely apologise if you hate me for doing this.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:50 pm I feel like Marmot and/or Golden are WKing me.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:51 pm I guess Golden is probably more likely mafia WKing me since Marmot actually knows me well enough to have a townread on me.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:55 pm [VOTE: Golden] aubergine

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 9:47 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 9:45 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 9:44 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 9:43 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 9:41 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 9:39 pm I am indifferent to Wilgz vote but if Sean flips w, I will kill the Wilgz wagon
And if Seanzie flips town?
Why is Wilgy Maf?
I have almost no recollection of anything Wilgy did this game. You're asking the wrong person.
Pure self pres then?

So, Golden and/or Marmot is one of the last SRs you gave...still true?
I think Golden is possibly WKing me, yes. Not such a strong read to not vote in the same place as they though. Marmot feels okay.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 9:51 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 9:49 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 9:47 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 9:45 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 9:44 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 9:43 pm

Why is Wilgy Maf?
I have almost no recollection of anything Wilgy did this game. You're asking the wrong person.
Pure self pres then?

So, Golden and/or Marmot is one of the last SRs you gave...still true?
I think Golden is possibly WKing me, yes. Not such a strong read to not vote in the same place as they though. Marmot feels okay.
Is there anything about their play beyond WKing that leads you to belive Golden is Maf?
I don't remember a single thing about them aside from feeling like they are overconfidently/unusually townreading me. It started like early too.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:51 pm [VOTE: Golden] aubergine

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 4:28 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 4:22 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 4:22 pm [VOTE: Sabi] aubergine
Still worried I’m WKing you?
Perpetually.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 10:05 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 10:02 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 10:01 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 9:51 pm I could vote soneji independent of my sabi read.
Why?
Approach to Seanzie feels like someone who understands day one more through wolfchat than thread to me

G-Man wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 10:48 pm
CONTAINMENT

Robbie woke up to the sounds of morning life on the street. The light gradually crept into and spread across the room as he nursed his hangover with bananas and coffee. He stretched for a few minutes to work out the kinks from another night on a mattress that wouldn’t even cut it at a Motel 6 back home.

Once his head stopped pounding enough, he collected himself, took a piss, and pulled his money out of the nightstand. A good breakfast would do him wonders. It felt safe enough to venture out. Despite the hangover, the night was uneventful. That had to be a good sign, right?

He tied his shoes, put on his sunglasses, and opened the door. He couldn’t wait to get out of this place, but right now fresh air and a warm meal was all that was on the menu.

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IT IS NOW DAY 3. YOU HAVE 48 HOURS TO ELIMINATE SOMEONE.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 12:55 am
Golden wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 12:41 am @Seanzie, what do you think of my thoughts so far today. Do you think I'm looking in the right directions, generally speaking?

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 12:43 am [VOTE: Matahari] aubergine

Let's start down this road and see what comes.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 12:56 am [VOTE: Matahari] aubergine

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 6:34 pm [VOTE: splints] aubergine

I’ve been flirting with it for a while

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 6:52 pm [VOTE: Fingersplints] aubergine

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 7:37 am
Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 10:05 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 6:52 pm [VOTE: Fingersplints] aubergine
No one pressured this. Why'd you vote splints?
Why would someone need pressure to do something?

I'm sheeping Golden.

Thank you for spelling this out.

So you think that since Seanzie was sheeping you coming into D3, you were saved by him. Gotcha.

Plausible I guess

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 5:28 am
fingersplints wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 5:11 am
Golden wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 3:48 am Neon's play around me has been essentially sticking her fingers in her ears, closing her eyes and saying 'na na na na can't hear you'

My gut still says town but I want objective perspectives on it please.
I think you are calling them stubborn while being equally if not more stubborn yourself.

This is how I see your play this game. “Here is my towncore, here is my PoE. I’m going to just keep eliminating one by one players from the PoE without reevaluating that I might be wrong about anyone in my towncore even though we have just eliminated civ after civ”

It’s very frustrating for those of us in this decided PoE because why bother? Nothing we are doing gets us out. No amount of dead civvies is getting any of you to reevaluate your thoughts. You keep mentioning the possibility of a “deep wolf” but I don’t think you are entertaining the reality of it.

I was skimming last night while up with baby and someone said something like it’s weird that I don’t have an opinion on Neon, but I truthfully didn’t as I’ve been just in defence mode and mostly reading to mentions of me. But I finally do after this exchange with Golden and it’s decidedly town.
It is completely reasonable to be frustrated. The reason I voted for you is that I get 'frustrated wolf' rather than 'frustrated civvie', because it is very much directed specifically at discrediting me. I would also be frustrated at me if I was a wolf. They failed to kill me when they tried, it would be annoying that I'm still here.

I am constantly re-evaluating my town core, other than SVS. What's more, I specifically have said things pointing out what I like about you on day three. I was feeling good about you coming in to today and was really more focused on Vivax, Falcon and Roxy.

Why are you fixated on tinfoiling SVS? Has she done something that we should tinfoil her for?

fingersplints wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 5:16 am Good. I’ll be glad to be eliminated just to prove Golden wrong

I dunno, splints. Your argument before this is basically: “well if golden just has me in his POE, what’s the point of even trying as I’ll never get out of it”

Well, Golden’s PoE isn’t ratified by congress yet.

Then this AtE and self voting is just…

[VOTE: fingersplints] aubergine

I look at towniness by effort to be towny. Not throwing your hands up and giving up. I know sabi also did this, but I think the way you’ve gone about it is different

ok be back later

Want to clarify that I am not wholly suspicious yet if Golden because of his presence without productive results. That can be unfair. But eventually the company had to take a hard look at the ones running the show, and as much as golden is downplaying that fact, it still remains that he is a integral part of the players that have died

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 3:27 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 3:22 am if Golden Town, Neon wolf. Classic KotH. Thats probably all I have to say today. Still leaning Golden wolf over Neon
I will demonstrate my townclear before day end if I'm actually at threat of being lynched. I think it's much preferable that civs go find it for themselves.

Ok ok

Pretend I don’t have time to look for myself and pretend that it’s already end of day

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 3:26 am Yeah, OK, I'm not gonna spend any more time on this.

I do not trust someone who claims to like analysis but when presented an opportunity to actually do some, refuses.

Neon has done analysis. Just because she isn’t going snipe hunting doesn’t mean she isn’t a hunter

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 3:22 am if Golden Town, Neon wolf. Classic KotH. Thats probably all I have to say today. Still leaning Golden wolf over Neon

hi Rondo I’m still pages behind but can you explain what you meant by ‘Scotty into Kate/Dennis’ after voting Golden?

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 3:16 am The doctor absolutely saved me on day two and they have claimed it without infodumping.

And I'm not so afraid to say this because I'm pretty sure the mafia already know, since they know they targeted me on night two. And I think they've figured out who the doctor is and targeted them last night.

I’m getting red flag vibes from last game with these vague walls that explain everything in Morse code but really it’s Norse code and then when I think I’ve got it you’ve killed me

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 3:16 am The doctor absolutely saved me on day two and they have claimed it without infodumping.

And I'm not so afraid to say this because I'm pretty sure the mafia already know, since they know they targeted me on night two. And I think they've figured out who the doctor is and targeted them last night.

I’ve looked at can’t for the life of me figure out what evidence you speak of exists with this

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 3:12 am
Neon wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 3:03 am
Golden wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 2:40 am
Neon wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 2:28 am
Golden wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 2:20 am
Kate wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 2:00 am As Golden would say, I will eat my hat if Dennis is deepwolfing.
I only promised to bite it.

But I agree. Dennis posting today feels obvitown.
Golden having the exact opposite view that I have on everything is making it impossible for me to see them as town especially because Golden has been a heavy voice in getting the thread to its current state and its current state is dead town.
I'm looking forward to debriefing this game with you afterwards. Whichever of us is righter gets gloating rights, and I'm fine if that's you.

But I think the fundamental problem you and I have right now is that we both inherently want to tinfoil each other just because we don't agree, when actually finding where we *do* agree could be significantly helpful.

I think you'd do well to consider you just met me and that there are people here who have more than a decade's experience of disagreeing with me on a lot when I'm town saying I'm town. My God, SVS literally not suspecting me at all is practically a miracle, that should virtually be a lockclear of me lol.

Or, read my signature. The top one expresses my town game and the bottom one expressed my baddie game.

(Which reminds me, Vivax, when you asked me how I got the nickname 'the coward' in the anniversary game I seriously thought you had me nailed. I thought you'd recognise the NK pattern as safe).
My problem there is you keep telling me I should town read you but without showing me I can't do it. You can say you're out of your scum range but I can't blindly follow that because I don't know that you are.

You can say I should follow SVS and TR you because they do and that's fair because I TR SVS but I can't be sure that you and SVS aren't just a team because I have almost no experience with anyone in this game. I'm playing meta blind so I have to trust my instincts.

The person I had the most meta on was Sabi I was right on Sabi. I have a decent amount of meta on Lucy and time will tell there but like the grand majority of players in this game that haven't been killed I've played like 2 or less games with.
I think there is literal thread evidence of my townclear if you go looking for it. I'm not asking you to rely on SVS. I'm asking you to rely on thread consensus because in a game with the three town power roles we have consensus means something beyond our individual gut feels. We can't build our towncore with infodumps but we can build it with trust.

And I'm sorry for not having a good enough read on you on day two to listen about sabi... I did play bad on day two, I regret how tunnelly I was. But I think town is so close to steamrolling this game if we don't infight.

Looking for your ‘townclear’ is like looking for a specifically colored M&M in a Skittles factory

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 2:40 am
Neon wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 2:28 am
Golden wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 2:20 am
Kate wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 2:00 am As Golden would say, I will eat my hat if Dennis is deepwolfing.
I only promised to bite it.

But I agree. Dennis posting today feels obvitown.
Golden having the exact opposite view that I have on everything is making it impossible for me to see them as town especially because Golden has been a heavy voice in getting the thread to its current state and its current state is dead town.
I'm looking forward to debriefing this game with you afterwards. Whichever of us is righter gets gloating rights, and I'm fine if that's you.

But I think the fundamental problem you and I have right now is that we both inherently want to tinfoil each other just because we don't agree, when actually finding where we *do* agree could be significantly helpful.

I think you'd do well to consider you just met me and that there are people here who have more than a decade's experience of disagreeing with me on a lot when I'm town saying I'm town. My God, SVS literally not suspecting me at all is practically a miracle, that should virtually be a lockclear of me lol.

Or, read my signature. The top one expresses my town game and the bottom one expressed my baddie game.

(Which reminds me, Vivax, when you asked me how I got the nickname 'the coward' in the anniversary game I seriously thought you had me nailed. I thought you'd recognise the NK pattern as safe).

I find that this answer doesn’t acknowledge that Neon implied you have been an integral part of the thread- hell, you have twice as many posts as the 2nd-highest poster- and yet have been on the leading wagons of all chopped town. I think that is a fair point. Whether or not that makes you wolf is another question, but there is a common denominator.

Also, this is the 2nd time this game I have seen you reference your signature as a means of showing off meta. Golden, I think you’ve had this weird dichotomy this game of expressing that you have a specific meta when it comes to alignment AND the ability to adapt to the environment. I find it hard to believe TownGolden is one to continue using his past meta as a crutch. Sure, you can’t always change integral parts of who you are and they will seep out, but this whole post screams “I’m town because this is me being town!”

ok big day tomorrow, fading in bed but will look to post more should time allow

I feel strongly that at least one of falcon/splints is wolf.

Roxy vehemently defends splints towniness and while I don’t see it, it is a significant holdup.

Dennis wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 2:11 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 2:07 am
Dennis wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 1:29 am Someone please explain TMI I'm begging. I checked that link someone gave me a few days back and it's not on there.
Sure.

Scenario; you are wolf. You know Soneji is town, so you preemptively state in thread that you really feel Soneji is a bad choice for lynch.

That is Too Much Information.

It’s a buzzword that can be thrown around too to describe situations like that, when in reality you could jus be a town expressing your opinion. But to a wolf, it’s not an opinion.
Well now like 4 people have explained it to me but I appreciate it nonetheless. But wouldn't the wolves want to blend in with the crowd naturally? Taking a stand like I did against like half of the game practically puts a spotlight on them. Is TMI like a newbie thing then (generally) and by coincidence is why I'm being accused of it?

Nah, TMI can happen to any wolf. Some are perhaps more skilled at concealing it. It goes hand in hand with perspective slip too. But we start going into mafia game theory which is way over my head.

TMI is something people see in a situation that may or may not be a thing. But it MAY be a thing, and that’s important.

Also I’m probably not the one to be a self imposed expert on the matter. Some of the new players I see are in some other quantum universe than me with their jumpy connections and logical aptitudes

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 2:10 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 2:00 am
Golden wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 1:19 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 1:17 am
S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 6:49 pm
Roxy wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 6:22 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 6:16 pm People don’t know how quiet our threads used to be. It was much easier for low posters like Roxy and mata to keep up and contribute even without masses of time.
I never felt they were quiet bc we always had SVS and you plus LC, Map, LT, Enrique, too many to list. Our games were 20, 30 40 people. Threads were crazy. My Survivor game had 4 threads that were all busy.
Rabbits lost game had 50 people! All kinds of different threads and location based chats. That was a lot of fun and very innovative, like your Survivor game. All those trivia challenges, they were hard.
@Roxy Can I see a link to your survivor game?? I had no idea anyone had done one before I did it like 6 years ago.
I always hoped OptOutside would return one day
Yes…I had hoped that as well. She took her bag and bounced lol. I just don’t think forum mafia is for her. She can sure kick my ass in hidden traitor games in RL tho.
maybe she can come play the mole when Daisy and I do it

lol I tried to get her to watch The Mole on…Netflix I think? Supposed to be a remake of the original awesome show. Nah. It was awful and filled with wannabe actors and terrible acting.

Anyway, I think the issue is deeper- I just don’t think playing games online is for her.

Kate wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 2:00 am As Golden would say, I will eat my hat if Dennis is deepwolfing.

Y’all flirtin with potential ER bills and I’m not here for it

Be sweet to yo sweet selves

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 1:53 am
Dennis wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 12:59 am
Neon wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 12:48 am
Dennis wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 12:40 am
Neon wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 12:06 am Dennis opening today looks bad. And Lucy hit on some things eod that were bothering me about Dennis yesterday that I was mostly ignoring.
What about it? And I still don't understand what Lucy meant with the whole 'influence' thing. I don't think I've changed anybody's minds on anything if that what you mean, so feel free to keep pushing that.
I'm not good at words so let me try my best.

Your opening feels like a wolf trying to cover themself with the over hype doc praise followed by more cover for yourself because you immediately push suspicion onto looking only on the top wagon for scum a wagon you were firmly against.

That cover protects you the deep wolf and your team because the chances we hit correct in a 7 person pool are well 1 in 7 but if we focused off wagon that pool becomes 1 in 5 and it's almost certain all wolfs didn't stack on Soneji.

Oh and your firm anti Soneji position also reeks of TMI but also makes me think the other wagons that were close when Soneji started to take off also were town. I know I'm town and I was one of them.
I can't really argue with this but I'll try my darndest. I don't think my doc praise was necessarily 'overhype' but I think it's a little wild that doc saved someone twice in a row and wanted to express that.

I immediately pushed suspicion cuz this day feels pretty important, like this is our second or last chance to get a wolf, and I want to make the most of it by saying 'hey, these 6 people like almost definitely have a wolf' and others have said that point too. Do we not have more leads on the people in Soneji wagon than out?

I need someone to give me an explanation of TMI because my context clue skills are clearly not cutting it. It means too much information, I know that, but I don't understand the context it's meant to be used in. What do you mean 'close when Soneji started to take off'? Like wagons who has 2 votes?
It's not our last chance to get a wolf though

It's 10 v 3 I think

So on the worst case d5 is 8 v 3 d6 is 6 v 3 d7 is 4 v 3

At worst we have at least 4 days left.

Outside of that TMI basically means you have more info than a town should have. A wolf often slips tmi because a wolf obviously knows everyone's alignment where as a town doesn't.

I asked you to explain your vote on Falcon and you never really could give me a solid reason why other than your very high level of confidence that Soneji was town but you also never expressed any Soneji was town. Can you show me posts that made you think Soneji was most certainly town?

I should point out that worst case with both deleters in play could actually be a loss in N6 if we don’t catch any wolves before then.
Which gives us 3 days to catch at least 1 wolf.

Just gotta assume until we actually catch a wolf:
D5 is 6v3, d6 is limlo at 4v3

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 1:31 am
Golden wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 12:56 am
Neon wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 12:05 am Hey remember when I said don't consolidate on a wagon it's just gonna kill a town we need two competing wagons and than for the 2nd day in a ris we had a run away wagon kill a town.

Yeah i remember when I said that.
I remember when you said we need two competing wagons for info. Did you actually say the bit about ‘it’ll kill town’?

I don’t like statisically likely whataboutism. A wolf can say ‘you’ll kill town’ and then try and get credit for that the next day.
I am 99.8% sure I said it was gonna kill a town yes

You did, I just backread that an hour ago

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