The Syndicate

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 10:37 am Sorry I've been MIA. Yesterday I worked and then took Ephraim to hang with friends and didn't want to be rude by being on my phone. Today, we are taking a day trip. I'll do what I can to catch up when I get home and make an informative vote.

Um also you forgot to mention it was your birthday

Happy birthday!!! Enjoy your day- Im sorry you have to do mafia on your birthday lol

I’m going to repeat this paragraph from my GMan deep dive, because I think it’s still accurate to my feelings:

“From my GMan observations:
-Sloonei, Golden, NAA/Vivax2.0 look great, Elo
-Michelle looks fine
-SVS/DH and sig are firmly compatible, and at least one of them is most likely bad
-2 of: DF, Quin and/or Wilgy are probably bad.

Just from these interactions alone, I could see a legit individual pairing of DF/Quin/Wilgy/DH or mix and match Quin/Wilgy with sig/SVS without yet looking into these player’s interactive ISOs with each other.”

[VOTE: Quin] aubergine

Thanks for your help

Read them

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:52 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 11:08 am

@Quin who do you suspect in this game?

And don’t say Golden- that vote today is a blatant OMGUS. Your last few votes in order were Kate, Sloonei, Elo.

I have no idea who you actually find suspicious in this game.

Call it whatever you want. He's still bad.

You should read my posts then.

Oh ok let me go read them

Also I know Golden can be a slimy, tricky mafia. But at some point, you have to accept that he’s either town or a deepwolf. I’m leaning the former.

There are multiple people that I’ve had vibe reads with, which usually freak me out because I often feel insecure with my reads in games. These people are SVS, Golden, Vivax (and to some extent, sig). I think I have to trust a little bit unless we get it wrong again. I get a feeling this night I’ll have a lot to go on.

If we can get down 2 more mafia…I think bad golden will reveal himself to be the male peacock disguising himself as the more colorful female peacock

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:59 am

Vivax wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 4:46 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 4:21 pm Unless what you’re saying is ‘golden is aware of what he’d do when bad because he’s bad’

In which case, let me point you to the number of mafia wins I’ve had here which have come on the back of perfecting the art of bussing teammates at just the right time for civ cred.

I’m aware of it precisely because it’s in my toolkit. I don’t give civ cred for good voting. I do give scum cred for bad voting.

I‘m rather saying that if you expected mafia to act in a certain way while discussing Wilgy and then quickly finished the thought with a conclusion that they‘re town, it means you juggled with a wilgy scum scenario openly but pointlessly which brings up questions about the intention of your post.

From your perspective, I‘d be a bit more wary also for voting reasons. If you suspect Quin, assuming both svs and wilgy town while they vote Michelle spawns the question about who you think is trying to mount a rescue of Quin.

OK, so I've thought a bit more about your last paragraph here, actually tried analysing my perspective and also being open minded on wilgy.

So, first:

The blatant no u by Quin on me, plus the matahari vote in proximate time frames (from my perspective), feel quite compatible with an attempted start of a save. I do admit that this is a self-centred approach... I've been a mislynch target of baddies often in my career, and Quin also was trying to pretzel me last night - whether genuine or not.

The idea of 'Michelle as save' hadn't yet crossed my mind when you brought it up. It would have eventually, but in the context of me trying to participate on a Sunday morning, I wasn't in deep analysis mode.

SVS didn't appeal to me as a Quin teammate. She was skeeved enough by him echoing me in the thread during the bea lynch that she called him my attorney. My sense of SVS is that she's been fairly consistently suspicious of Quin.

So I went and did a (skim) iso of SVS looking for her mentions of Quin, and I still don't really have reason to feel bad about SVS. Early on she said Quin was a null read, she needed to get on top of that. Then she starting focusing on me, Sloonei & Quin (a focus I think she's never really lost, on any of the three of us). She called us the 'triumverate of content', something which blatantly snubbed scotty. But she explained she was talking about the three she was at best null on. If she's Quin's teammate, she's been distancing for a while. Undoing that with an instant save after a single vote on Quin feels incorrect to me.

Wilgy, rather than isoing him, I focused on his voting patterns. After all, he did do the 'perfect' timing on the G-Man vote. If Wilgy is bad, he's a baddie who is quite comfortable bussing his teammate at the perfect time for cred.

On day one he was one of two votes on me. There were also two votes on Quin, along with the four on each of eloh and sloonei, at the end of the day. I do feel like some analysis of vote order could be valuable.

Wilgy was one of four voters for Quin on a day where LoRab was lynched with 6, and G-Man did play quite a decisive role there in ensuring LoRab went. I had completely forgotten Quin had taken four votes that day, in my head it was DH vs LoRab. If Quin flips wolf, this vote is as well placed for Wilgy as his vote on G-Man is the next day, in terms of town cred.

Then there's the G-Man vote.

Then he's back on Quin on day four.

And now he's not on Quin again.

So actually, in the vote analysis... I'd say a wilgy/quin w/w stacks up as a fair possibility and I really didn't expect to see that going in. It's enough for Wilgy to get put back in the mix.

If I'm wrong about Wilgy and he's a wolf with Quin there's a specific reason why that's going to be very ironic and I'll be kind of annoyed/frustrated with myself again.

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However, I'd also note another possibility.

As of now, 5/11 of players in the game are voting.

That means six are not. I do not think it unlikely that there are wolves in that group, and I continue to feel bothered by the fact that I can't get three of them out of the PoE, even when I feel good about them.

Those three are DF, Michelle and sig.

I would not be at all surprised if both of quin's teammates are in that group, and if so far the only save on me has been from Quin itself.

I think it's worth noting that every one out of G-Man, Quin, DF and sig have voted for me in this game in ways that I would categorise as a 'no u'. That sticks out to me because they've all played with civ me before and they know I'm messy and mislynchable but that I am also perceptive. I didn't think G-Man's no u stood up and to be honest I don't think any of their no u's really stand up (if any one of them does stand up, it's sig's because taking sus while cursed does suck).

I’m glad you pointed this out RE Wilgy:
“Then he's back on Quin on day four.

And now he's not on Quin again.”

Because today we have this:

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:51 pm Further on Michelle. Quin still tastes better. Also Vivax.

BUT saw the option for Michelle wagon. I like it too.

I think Wilgy should put his money where his tongue is

DFaraday wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 8:47 pm I thought the poll went til 8. I was actually going to change my vote to Bea, but I guess that was the wrong choice anyway. RIP Bea.

I know Scotty is probably the most popular choice to bring back, and I'd be cool with that. I do want FS to have more of a chance though, since she went out so early.

Scared of me? You can always kill me again tonite I’d you want

Vote count as of 22 hours until end of day 5:

Michelle (3): SVS, DrWilgy, Scotty
Golden (2): Matahari, Quin
Quin (1): Golden

Not voting: DF, Elo, sig, Sloonei, Vivax2.0

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 8:30 pm I think if I was the NP BTS person I might choose the baddies, tbh. But I think Mata, like you, would choose the civs.

Does choose = align with?

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:04 pm Also there’s two votes on me, both of which might be coming from a scum perspective, one of whom is my prime suspect. And literally only me voting Quin. It’s a rather philosophical question to ask if I think *michelle* is an attempted save under those circumstances.

So why do you think Matahari might be operating from a scum perspective?

I’ve had no reason to believe yet that they would be operating as such, unless scum were losing badly and NPC’s wanted to keep the tides balanced

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:51 pm Further on Michelle. Quin still tastes better. Also Vivax.

BUT saw the option for Michelle wagon. I like it too.

This whole time I thought your licks meant you town read people. But eating them because you’re suspicious? Boy do I have a century egg for you to try

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:46 pm [quote=Scotty post_id=973631 time=<a href="tel:1667680563">1667680563</a> user_id=410]
@DrWilgy why are you currently voting Michelle?

Michelle should've town spewed by now.

Tastes like not Michelle. Or... Not town Michelle. Town Michelle tastes of a nice mahogany.

But Michelle voted G-Man. So I would need to see if the vote was bus or not.
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Based on Michelle’s post count an hour before she voted, the vote total looked like this:
bea
0
No votes
Voters: None
DFaraday
0
No votes
Voters: None
DharmaHelper
1
5%
Voters: DFaraday
DrWilgy
0
No votes
Voters: None
Elohcin
0
No votes
Voters: None
G-Man
4
21%
Voters: S~V~S, Sloonei, Kate, DrWilgy
Golden
1
5%
Voters: sig
Kate
1
5%
Voters: Quin
Michelle
0
No votes
Voters: None
Quin
1
5%
Voters: G-Man
Scotty
0
No votes
Voters: None
sig
3
16%
Voters: Ricochet, Vivax, Golden
Sloonei
1
5%
Voters: Scotty
Viviax
0
No votes
Voters: None

So Michelle put the 5th vote on Sloonei where sig had 3.

I don’t think it’s a particularly bad vote.

This elimination is important, but also I think it should be an insightful one that doesn’t make or break the game if we get it wrong.

It’s 8 to 3 most likely. With ML it would be 6 to 3, which is still not Lylo.

I still think Quin is a hit- that would help unlock a few people I think.
Killing DF doesn’t really unlock anything- he doesn’t rightly implicate any one. But he doesn’t appear of town interest.

Our NPC Matahari is currently voting Golden. I don’t know what history they have together, but maybe they know something we don’t on Golden’s meta?


No one should be cleared today and nothing is set in stone

DF is a player that has been on the wrong side of the vote every day, if he has voted.
We have no civ ability -that we know of- to address his slot.

How comfortable do we feel with him in f5?

Y’all; I’m gonna be as active as I can, but today is my most active time most likely. I might have some hours tomorrow but I dunno.

And I’m most likely going to be sent packing N5, so ima try and be as helpful as I can until then

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:07 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 9:41 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 9:40 pm Welcome back Scotty!

Rip Kate I hope we'll play again!

I need time to think at what happened yesterday, taking into account the NK. Sleeping on it

Y’all had all of the night to think about it.

How does losing Kate factor into bea’s miselim?

I was RL busy so all the night passed without analysis from me. Any info helps when I back read so the fact Kate was the NK hence town, is important. Not for the Bea mischop but for the game state

@Michelle You’ve been in the thread since, but you still haven’t addressed ‘what all happened’ yesterday. Would love some input por favor

Read through DH’s ISO and if he is bad, he hellbussed GMan from the onset. He was a voter for GMan, top of his read, and got Wilgy to vote there. Wilgy got off, but DH stayed. Then he had, for lack of a better word, a conniption over people not realizing he had and continued to express suspicion for GMan.

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:11 pm Been reading through Golden’s iso:

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 7:32 pm The sockys ability obviously has no tildes and is unsolvable, except to the extent you’re targeted and can learn something from that.

Wait, what do you mean?

Never mind, disregard.

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:04 pm Also there’s two votes on me, both of which might be coming from a scum perspective, one of whom is my prime suspect. And literally only me voting Quin. It’s a rather philosophical question to ask if I think *michelle* is an attempted save under those circumstances.

Well, I certainly don’t know why Wilgy is voting Michelle. It doesn’t look like a save, and tbh none of Wilgy’s votes have looked like saves. Neither has Quin, who seems to make a habit of finding offwagon vanity votes

Been reading through Golden’s iso:

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 7:32 pm The sockys ability obviously has no tildes and is unsolvable, except to the extent you’re targeted and can learn something from that.

Wait, what do you mean?

If y’all can’t see that Quin’s voting this game has been a smorgasbord of shallow cases and names, I got nothin for ya- head back to camp

@DrWilgy why are you currently voting Michelle?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 4:03 pm Well, I don't think you're infallible lol, @Scotty . I suspected G Man from the time I got in the door, I thought bea looked worse what can I tell you? You don't agree, it's a free thread.

Also gotta go send that cheesecake recipe to her. Later happy mafia players!


And @Golden that infallible remark on my part was directed to Scotty, not Sloonei.

I mean, what you were thinking might be different than what was written. I wouldn’t know what you didn’t transcribe in the thread. That doesn’t make me infallible, that just makes me observant. And from my observations, the thread speaks for itself.

I’m not saying your actions aren’t something a civ would do. Purely from a circumstantial standpoint, you and GMan are perfectly compatible as teammates is all I’m saying.

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:35 am Even though bea flipped town, I feel like being 'off bea' isn't a good look. Bea really looked scummy... the vote on G-Man day was bad and she went into antispew.

Personally I'll be shocked if there are no mafia in the non-bea voters and Quin and DF are my top two options (for reasons of already trusting Sloon and Wilgy, although I would like to hear their reasoning for the same, as well). I think it's likely that there are mafia who seek the shelter of not being on a civ flip.

I'm looking through Quin's day 4 stuff now and even at the time it skeeved my out but I can articulate it better now.

When I voted for DF, what I was talking about was the value of a counterwagon to learning information.
When Quin voted for Eloh, he was talking about trying to find scum on the bea wagon and looking for people phoning it in with their bea vote.

Mafia don't want to 'phone it in' if they bus a teammate. They want to look good. They want the bus to give them civ cred.

I just don't see the civvie logic at all in Quin, all game really. Everything he says and does comes across as manufactured to me, I try to put myself in his mind and I can't see the civ logic to get where he gets to.

“Mafia don't want to 'phone it in' if they bus a teammate. They want to look good. They want the bus to give them civ cred.“

You mean like what Wilgy did to GMan the other day?

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:55 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:45 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:31 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:25 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:05 pm Golden and Sloonei

This is a pairing of players that I think go hand in hand. Not because I think they’re on the same team but because I don’t think they’re w/w.

Golden is someone that has expressed keen interest in pinning down Sloonei’s role. Golden has like 6 people’s roles “in mind” which is just dandy for him. I also have roles in mind for people, but the weird part to me is that when pressed on it, Golden zips up his mouth and becomes slightly indignant talking about it, suggesting mafia will get whiffs of his grand role matching and use it against the town. He compounds this attitude with unabashedly- and unprompted- also inserting throughout the game “I have a role in mind for {x} player” which is like that acquaintance on Facebook that casually makes their status “I can’t believe this happened to me today!” allowing concerned comments to pile up for a few days, and never resolving it. What happened to you, Chelsea?! WHY WOULD YOU DO THIS TO MY PSYCHE.

I’m glad that Golden has roles in mind for people, and that may very well help his own game. But at some point as we start whittling down players, communitizing role guesses becomes less about “not giving mafia the benefit of information” and more about “helping the town as a whole identify and make better choices so we don’t lose the game.”

There’s a certain gate keeping of “the old ways” that I willingly want to respect, but I’m also not one to throw away the key to unlocking the game because “that’s not the way we do things here”. In this game, confidence in reads and how you flaunt that confidence dictates a lot of reads for other people.

All of this leads to my hesitance and blatant confusion when it comes to my read of Sloonei. It’s Golden and Golden specifically that has kept me from hard townreading Sloonei, and it’s because of his vague confidence that Sloonei isn’t the one that switched the first elimination to Vivax1.0. I can’t pry out what Golden really thinks Sloonei is, and we can’t info dump in this game (That’s fine, wouldn’t ask it if anyone had info) but it could be heavily inferred that Sloonei and Quin were masons. It made sense with the blatant shielding going on early. But Sloonei- after a couple days of hard town reading Quin- walked back his Townread to a more questionable read of him on day 3. This seemed to fracture Golden’s crystal ball for a second, but it seemed in-thread that it was a brief stay of confusion before he just shrugged it off and maybe conf biased himself that it was just a blip and everything is still fine and dandy. This confused the shit out of me. Because that didn’t seem like an attitude of a player with a Mason in Quin. So if he isn’t a Mason, and isn’t the elim switcher…I got nothing to explain Sloonei’s behavior this game.

On Night 2, Sloonei showed some flashes of old civ Sloonei, with deep dives into ISOs and interactions with DrWilgy and then a pretty thorough casing on GMan, which was welcomed! But before that? Wet towel. Even now, after bea’s untimely demise, his comment of “I wish this person rezzed can just take my place”. I don’t get it. It’s like he has not spark or drive this game. It’s really bugging me out.

But here’s what I think:

I think Sloonei is town. And that is because I think Golden is intentionally or unintentionally misleading or at least has convinced himself that the puzzle piece that he holds still fits, even though he’s trying to trade 3 sheep for 2 wood in a game of Monopoly.

Hey Scotty

I already told you. It’s called infodumping man and it’s not on.

You trust me and listen to me, or you don’t. But it’s not about ‘not helping wolves’. It’s about playing role madness old school, and solving the game with a spreadsheet.

Not sharing vomps tildes was about not telling wolves but… that’s because vomps was a vanilla civ and I wanted them to be worried about the power.

I’m not asking to infodump. Infodumping implies you have info. Guess dumping isn’t a phrase, but if it were, it would be allowed.

I’m guessing Sloonei is one thing. You are guessing he is another. Both can be expressed.

“You trust me and listen to me, or you don’t. But it’s not about ‘not helping wolves’. It’s about playing role madness old school, and solving the game with a spreadsheet.”

You’re a brick wall. And the bricker you are, the less I wall want to trust you.

Only you can stop yourself hitting the brick wall.

It’s really not my fault that you want more than I can give. I’ve explained why… you’ll literally never get more from me than what you’re getting in a game like this. This is the way.

I’ve given you enough breadcrumb that you should be able to follow it for yourself. If you don’t, I can’t do much about it.

Trusting isn’t about trusting *me*, as in specifically golden. It’s about trusting in the school of thought.

I dunno, SVS might be able to have a crack at explaining old school role hint etiquette if you can’t take it from me.

Yeah, I was never one to successfully find or follow breadcrumbs- I prefer to eat the whole gingerbread house

This is like playing on hard mode.

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:57 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:54 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:53 pm

Vivax wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:46 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:41 pm SVS I have a town read on you. It’s a town read I don’t trust because I never trust my read on you. But I trust Kate’s read on you.

G-man mentioned

DH, Scotty, Golden, Sloonei

Do you disagree with my suggestion on how to analyze G-Man‘s post ?
Cause you and Sloonei are a pairing that we have to lim into at some point, methinks.

What would you say if there were a max of only 1 baddie in DH/Golden/Sloonei and who would it be?

Golden. DH was a civ. I feel tons better about Sloonei. I am guessing you do, too?

I would have no choice but to pick you in this group of three. But G-Man was so insistent on high posters that I’m quite comfortable believing all his teammates are low posters.

What do you think of his progression of slowly extracting DH/SVS from that list of high posters to the point where he honed in on just you and Sloonei?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:53 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:46 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:46 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:27 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:11 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 2:23 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 10:23 am
It’s akin to the “coffee tell”, albeit infallible and full of holes. I don’t know the real reasoning behind the ‘tell’, but I believe the idea is that quoting someone else in your first post is a less organic entrance than if you were a town. I’ve been caught by others as mafia, which I thought was bullsuit being ‘caught’ with a *nothing* reason at the time. Now, sometimes I’ll do it as town just to see who bites.

Is bea the type to fall into the trap? I was mostly kidding, but then…what if i snagged the rat AND the cheese?
(I think bea looks fine now btw)

Oh boy, I didn’t go back and read but given this was quin’s response to scotty for his ‘opening with a quote post’ but he says axe’s vote has substance, that’s enough for me to vote [VOTE: Quin] aubergine

Did you continue to vote for Quin, or was this an on/off thing for you?

I stopped voting Quin based on sloonei’s vouching for a while. It took my eye off the ball.

And
Now?

oh right, you’re voting there.

I was mainly curious why he let it go. Just becasue he has a role in mind for Sloonei doesn't mean Slooneis reads are infallible.

I have to do IRL stuff for a bit, I will bbl. I have over 30 pages to go, not sure if that's gonna happen, but I'm gonna try to at least get to the point where I showed up

Linki @Scotty well, that's your opinion, I think you're a civ, I don't think you're infallible.

>takes off fingernails
>bugs crawl out
>puts on my fancy gloves

[VOTE: SVS] aubergine

Vivax wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:46 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:41 pm SVS I have a town read on you. It’s a town read I don’t trust because I never trust my read on you. But I trust Kate’s read on you.

G-man mentioned

DH, Scotty, Golden, Sloonei

Do you disagree with my suggestion on how to analyze G-Man‘s post ?
Cause you and Sloonei are a pairing that we have to lim into at some point, methinks.

What would you say if there were a max of only 1 baddie in DH/Golden/Sloonei and who would it be?

Vivax wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:49 pm Well aware I‘m roughly repeating Scotty‘s suggestions from a more personal perspective

I’m happy that you are making it your own.

I never expect everyone to read all the wall posts and I especially expect people to come to their own conclusions. That we are parroting similar ideas is probably a good sign

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:33 pm I feel like one of those one man bands today. Sorry I'm making all these posts, I'll try to put stuff into one post instead. Linki glad to see more posting!

@Scotty , that's not how I remember it. This was my first post,

Spoiler: show

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 2:55 pm OK, glad to be here! I have been following the game, and have some pretty defined opinions. I work M-F 8-5, and am very unlikely to be able to post during those times, just an FYI.

First to clear up a few things. DH and i have played together for YEARS, as teammates, as adversaries, we played D&D together for a while. One thing I know about DH, when DH is bad, he takes his frustration to the chat. He's calm, he spends much more time playing nice when he's bad. I'm watching this classic thread derail (and again, this is something I know about, have derailed more than one thread with him and others) yelling at my monitor, "HE'S A CIV". @Kate I'm talking to you, I think that was a civ/civ situation. Classic.

And I have his role card now, and can guarantee you he was a civ. @DharmaHelper thanks for what you said in the Zero poll

OK, I am NOT a fan of naming civs, the baddies do get to NK people, but they also still have to lynch people. And if everyone thinks person X is civ, they can't lynch them, that cuts down their chances for opportunism. That said, in "Modern" (@Scotty )mafia, that apparently is not the case, so I will give general impressions of everyone. There are a few people I will not lynch, and I will work hard against a lynch wagon on any of them, should one form. And that's all I'm saying about that.

I left the dead on the list for my reasons. I will go between ped and sarc to make it easier to read. I have more firmly formed opinions on some than others.

Are the polls posted? I thought I saw them, but I'm not sure where they are. Can someone help a girl out? Also was there much voting without posting? I saw some discussion of it, but didn't really watch the poll while following.

THE AMAZING PLAYERS!
bea- Bea! Come out and play, I am not thrilled with the Bea I'm seeing. I know time is tight, but I am missing your insights. I could vote for her.
DFaraday- As always very quiet. I do know he is responsible when bad. If he's missing votes, not sure bad DF would do so. But it's been years, so I have to look at votes.
DharmaHelper-Such a civ it's a shame you all missed it.
DrWilgy-He's licking people? This seems like standard Wilgy chaos? I can never tell with him. What does his voting record look like?
Elohcin- I think she's likely civ, unless her game has changed tons (and iirc she said she doesn't play much?) I have nothing to question here.
fingersplints-I am curious about those saying Splints was most def civ, but saying Kate self targeted. What did Splints do that was so civvie? If the rez comes up, I'll be voting Llama as of now.
G-Man- I could vote here. I have seen both G men, bad and good, and he is a stellar civ, a self conscious baddie. Halloween weekend, he's a Dad. Give me more G, man. You're looking self conscious.
Golden-I am super conflicted here. He looks like civ Golden, he sounds like civ Golden, but his conclusions are very different than mine. So definite middle ground for me.
Kate- I KNOW Kate, and like DH, she would NEVER have that hissy thing in thread if she was bad. When she was OT'ed she was here like all the time. I would be amazed if she was bad
thellama73- I think he was a civ, and as of now, he has my rez vote should that be triggered.
Lorab- I am flummoxed that any pre-Syndicate old timey players suspected her. She always looks shady to those newer to her. Did Bea vote for her?
Michelle- I know i played with her once or so, I have zero impression of her here except "blendy". Those who know her, is this her norm? If not, I could vote here, too.
NotAnAxehole-I thought he was bad. I especially thought his suggestion of a firedrill was bad, but that could be my bias. I have to compare Vivax1 to Vivax2. Haven't done that yet.
Quin-TBH, quin/Scotty/Golden/Llama were all blending in for me a bit while I was following, I need to read him. I have no impression of him, and I should.
Scotty-I think he's probably a civ. I grossly misread him once, and the person I am seeing here is that person. Anyone have a recent Scotty bad game I could see?
sig- Blendy sig is blendy. Is this still the case? Not seeing anything overtly scary, I need opinions here.
Sloonei-I am not seeing the civ Sloonei I knew and feared, but he may have changed up his game? Could I see recent good/bads for him maybe?
Vivax- Like I said, I felt NAA was bad, but it was for mainly undefined reasons. Vivax seems more civ, but I need to do a read on him tbh

So where is everyone else at?

Kate wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 2:35 pm Has anyone completed a recount of yesterday's vote and compiled the order? I'm not sure that's worded right... If not, does anyone plan to? I think yesterday's lynch could give us some valuable info.

This ^^ I could use some poll help, and it's a good way to get discussion going.

I also had another post where I said, "I need more G, Man." But I can't find it. I voted Bea becasue I suspected her She is a close friend and I thought I could read her well, but I was wrong. Part of it is my own fault, you can't search my posts for "G-Man", since I usually write G Man without the little *-*. It was easier on my old phone, and I got in the habit.

@Golden I know it was aimed at Quin, not me. But what would the implication be of him ignoring me to focus on you? That we're teammates? That's how I read it. Thanks for the clarity, though.

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 2:59 pm

Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 2:58 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 2:56 pm @Vivax why were those three names (bea, eloh, golden) important to you?

I find them harder to get a read on and they're sitting in a pool with you.
Not including DFaraday and LoraB who just get nullbinned for D1.

Are you really nullbinning LoRab?

Nullbinning?

Yeah, I read it. That first post is what I was mentioning. Every post after that was a slow pulling back off of GMan and onto someone else.

I read every post in your ISO. It looks bad RE GMan

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:46 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:27 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:11 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 2:23 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 10:23 am

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 3:27 am I'm rereading the thread for bea, Scotty and Eloh all at the same time. Wawa word vomit time. Is it a grammatical error if the person's name is in itself, a grammatical error?

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Oct 23, 2022 10:39 pm I voted bea because
A) she is extremely cheery
B) she is the first in the poll
C) I don’t know if it’s pronounced “bay” or “bee” or “bah-ee”
But mainly e) her first post was quoting another post, which is suspicious.

Boom! Roasted.

Why is opening with a quote suspicious?

It’s akin to the “coffee tell”, albeit infallible and full of holes. I don’t know the real reasoning behind the ‘tell’, but I believe the idea is that quoting someone else in your first post is a less organic entrance than if you were a town. I’ve been caught by others as mafia, which I thought was bullsuit being ‘caught’ with a *nothing* reason at the time. Now, sometimes I’ll do it as town just to see who bites.

Is bea the type to fall into the trap? I was mostly kidding, but then…what if i snagged the rat AND the cheese?
(I think bea looks fine now btw)

Oh boy, I didn’t go back and read but given this was quin’s response to scotty for his ‘opening with a quote post’ but he says axe’s vote has substance, that’s enough for me to vote [VOTE: Quin] aubergine

Did you continue to vote for Quin, or was this an on/off thing for you?

I stopped voting Quin based on sloonei’s vouching for a while. It took my eye off the ball.

And
Now?

oh right, you’re voting there.

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:27 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:11 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 2:23 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 10:23 am

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 3:27 am I'm rereading the thread for bea, Scotty and Eloh all at the same time. Wawa word vomit time. Is it a grammatical error if the person's name is in itself, a grammatical error?

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Oct 23, 2022 10:39 pm I voted bea because
A) she is extremely cheery
B) she is the first in the poll
C) I don’t know if it’s pronounced “bay” or “bee” or “bah-ee”
But mainly e) her first post was quoting another post, which is suspicious.

Boom! Roasted.

Why is opening with a quote suspicious?

It’s akin to the “coffee tell”, albeit infallible and full of holes. I don’t know the real reasoning behind the ‘tell’, but I believe the idea is that quoting someone else in your first post is a less organic entrance than if you were a town. I’ve been caught by others as mafia, which I thought was bullsuit being ‘caught’ with a *nothing* reason at the time. Now, sometimes I’ll do it as town just to see who bites.

Is bea the type to fall into the trap? I was mostly kidding, but then…what if i snagged the rat AND the cheese?
(I think bea looks fine now btw)

Oh boy, I didn’t go back and read but given this was quin’s response to scotty for his ‘opening with a quote post’ but he says axe’s vote has substance, that’s enough for me to vote [VOTE: Quin] aubergine

Did you continue to vote for Quin, or was this an on/off thing for you?

I stopped voting Quin based on sloonei’s vouching for a while. It took my eye off the ball.

And
Now?

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:31 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:25 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:05 pm Golden and Sloonei

This is a pairing of players that I think go hand in hand. Not because I think they’re on the same team but because I don’t think they’re w/w.

Golden is someone that has expressed keen interest in pinning down Sloonei’s role. Golden has like 6 people’s roles “in mind” which is just dandy for him. I also have roles in mind for people, but the weird part to me is that when pressed on it, Golden zips up his mouth and becomes slightly indignant talking about it, suggesting mafia will get whiffs of his grand role matching and use it against the town. He compounds this attitude with unabashedly- and unprompted- also inserting throughout the game “I have a role in mind for {x} player” which is like that acquaintance on Facebook that casually makes their status “I can’t believe this happened to me today!” allowing concerned comments to pile up for a few days, and never resolving it. What happened to you, Chelsea?! WHY WOULD YOU DO THIS TO MY PSYCHE.

I’m glad that Golden has roles in mind for people, and that may very well help his own game. But at some point as we start whittling down players, communitizing role guesses becomes less about “not giving mafia the benefit of information” and more about “helping the town as a whole identify and make better choices so we don’t lose the game.”

There’s a certain gate keeping of “the old ways” that I willingly want to respect, but I’m also not one to throw away the key to unlocking the game because “that’s not the way we do things here”. In this game, confidence in reads and how you flaunt that confidence dictates a lot of reads for other people.

All of this leads to my hesitance and blatant confusion when it comes to my read of Sloonei. It’s Golden and Golden specifically that has kept me from hard townreading Sloonei, and it’s because of his vague confidence that Sloonei isn’t the one that switched the first elimination to Vivax1.0. I can’t pry out what Golden really thinks Sloonei is, and we can’t info dump in this game (That’s fine, wouldn’t ask it if anyone had info) but it could be heavily inferred that Sloonei and Quin were masons. It made sense with the blatant shielding going on early. But Sloonei- after a couple days of hard town reading Quin- walked back his Townread to a more questionable read of him on day 3. This seemed to fracture Golden’s crystal ball for a second, but it seemed in-thread that it was a brief stay of confusion before he just shrugged it off and maybe conf biased himself that it was just a blip and everything is still fine and dandy. This confused the shit out of me. Because that didn’t seem like an attitude of a player with a Mason in Quin. So if he isn’t a Mason, and isn’t the elim switcher…I got nothing to explain Sloonei’s behavior this game.

On Night 2, Sloonei showed some flashes of old civ Sloonei, with deep dives into ISOs and interactions with DrWilgy and then a pretty thorough casing on GMan, which was welcomed! But before that? Wet towel. Even now, after bea’s untimely demise, his comment of “I wish this person rezzed can just take my place”. I don’t get it. It’s like he has not spark or drive this game. It’s really bugging me out.

But here’s what I think:

I think Sloonei is town. And that is because I think Golden is intentionally or unintentionally misleading or at least has convinced himself that the puzzle piece that he holds still fits, even though he’s trying to trade 3 sheep for 2 wood in a game of Monopoly.

Hey Scotty

I already told you. It’s called infodumping man and it’s not on.

You trust me and listen to me, or you don’t. But it’s not about ‘not helping wolves’. It’s about playing role madness old school, and solving the game with a spreadsheet.

Not sharing vomps tildes was about not telling wolves but… that’s because vomps was a vanilla civ and I wanted them to be worried about the power.

I’m not asking to infodump. Infodumping implies you have info. Guess dumping isn’t a phrase, but if it were, it would be allowed.

I’m guessing Sloonei is one thing. You are guessing he is another. Both can be expressed.

“You trust me and listen to me, or you don’t. But it’s not about ‘not helping wolves’. It’s about playing role madness old school, and solving the game with a spreadsheet.”

You’re a brick wall. And the bricker you are, the less I wall want to trust you.

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:25 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:05 pm Golden and Sloonei

This is a pairing of players that I think go hand in hand. Not because I think they’re on the same team but because I don’t think they’re w/w.

Golden is someone that has expressed keen interest in pinning down Sloonei’s role. Golden has like 6 people’s roles “in mind” which is just dandy for him. I also have roles in mind for people, but the weird part to me is that when pressed on it, Golden zips up his mouth and becomes slightly indignant talking about it, suggesting mafia will get whiffs of his grand role matching and use it against the town. He compounds this attitude with unabashedly- and unprompted- also inserting throughout the game “I have a role in mind for {x} player” which is like that acquaintance on Facebook that casually makes their status “I can’t believe this happened to me today!” allowing concerned comments to pile up for a few days, and never resolving it. What happened to you, Chelsea?! WHY WOULD YOU DO THIS TO MY PSYCHE.

I’m glad that Golden has roles in mind for people, and that may very well help his own game. But at some point as we start whittling down players, communitizing role guesses becomes less about “not giving mafia the benefit of information” and more about “helping the town as a whole identify and make better choices so we don’t lose the game.”

There’s a certain gate keeping of “the old ways” that I willingly want to respect, but I’m also not one to throw away the key to unlocking the game because “that’s not the way we do things here”. In this game, confidence in reads and how you flaunt that confidence dictates a lot of reads for other people.

All of this leads to my hesitance and blatant confusion when it comes to my read of Sloonei. It’s Golden and Golden specifically that has kept me from hard townreading Sloonei, and it’s because of his vague confidence that Sloonei isn’t the one that switched the first elimination to Vivax1.0. I can’t pry out what Golden really thinks Sloonei is, and we can’t info dump in this game (That’s fine, wouldn’t ask it if anyone had info) but it could be heavily inferred that Sloonei and Quin were masons. It made sense with the blatant shielding going on early. But Sloonei- after a couple days of hard town reading Quin- walked back his Townread to a more questionable read of him on day 3. This seemed to fracture Golden’s crystal ball for a second, but it seemed in-thread that it was a brief stay of confusion before he just shrugged it off and maybe conf biased himself that it was just a blip and everything is still fine and dandy. This confused the shit out of me. Because that didn’t seem like an attitude of a player with a Mason in Quin. So if he isn’t a Mason, and isn’t the elim switcher…I got nothing to explain Sloonei’s behavior this game.

On Night 2, Sloonei showed some flashes of old civ Sloonei, with deep dives into ISOs and interactions with DrWilgy and then a pretty thorough casing on GMan, which was welcomed! But before that? Wet towel. Even now, after bea’s untimely demise, his comment of “I wish this person rezzed can just take my place”. I don’t get it. It’s like he has not spark or drive this game. It’s really bugging me out.

But here’s what I think:

I think Sloonei is town. And that is because I think Golden is intentionally or unintentionally misleading or at least has convinced himself that the puzzle piece that he holds still fits, even though he’s trying to trade 3 sheep for 2 wood in a game of Monopoly.

Hey Scotty

I already told you. It’s called infodumping man and it’s not on.

You trust me and listen to me, or you don’t. But it’s not about ‘not helping wolves’. It’s about playing role madness old school, and solving the game with a spreadsheet.

Not sharing vomps tildes was about not telling wolves but… that’s because vomps was a vanilla civ and I wanted them to be worried about the power.

I’m not asking to infodump. Infodumping implies you have info. Guess dumping isn’t a phrase, but if it were, it would be allowed.

I’m guessing Sloonei is one thing. You are guessing he is another. Both can be expressed.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:12 pm G Man was buddying me, guaranteed. Read my interactions with him, not just his with me. This is why I don't love ISO's, they're half of a picture.

I'm still slogging along in my real time thread read which I should have done days ago.

I think sig looks OK, I have no strong reads on him either way. I'll look while I'm reading. His posts have overall improved since I last saw him, and this could be coloring my opinion. But so far nothing that hooked me. I play from "looking for bad behavior" rather than trying to clear civ behavior. I am seeing nothing bad, but I will try looking from the other perspective.

Linki, I'm getting there re Sloonei. And I think Wilgy is civ.

Every time you and sig post I find myself nodding along.

I don’t know if that’s a good thing or bad.

But ok here I am looking at your GMan interactions

-you enter on D2 with your first read list that you could vote there, but don’t follow up, instead launching a more detailed case on bea.
-Early day 3: “ I moved my pressure vote to G Man. Still hoping to see Ms Marvel @bea” | You vote for GMan as a “pressure vote” while still hedging on and more suspecting of bea
With 7 hours left in D3, you waffle and throw doubt about the GMan elimination, saying he doesn’t feel civ, but you could get in another wagon, though you won’t vote sig because that goes against your values of voting cursed players.

Then: You add even more seeds of doubt by saying you agree with his points about the big talkers. Subtly offering a favorable Sloonei elimination.
Aaaaand firmly away from GMan.

@S~V~S is this the other half of the picture you wanted me to see? Cause it’s looking pretty high in scum equity with GMan lol

Wilgy
The curious case of Doctor Wilgy. I’ll bet he’s not even accredited by the ADA. Let me take you on a journey.

DrWilgy deserves scrutiny, and it would be a mistake to clear him for making the definitive vote for one-foot-in-the-grave GMan. In the bigger picture, GMan was mumbling in mock surrender for a majority of D3. Additionally, his posting style of licks and smells, while reminiscent of days of Wilgy past, is a very easy guise to hide behind. By his own admission, he is ready to coast to the final X, which would be a mistake. We have no known civ killing abilities to solve these questionable alignment players.

But back to the vote on GMan: the problem is, we don’t have all the information.
If the information is that Sloonei is bad…suddenly Wilgy’s magnanimous vote for GMan doesn’t look so good, does it?

Wilgy’s actions and votes thus far have been, in summary:
D1: Licks some people, tastes some people, votes Golden? I see no indication of when he voted Golden or even why, though it looks like he did so after GMan votes Golden because it tasted “fun” even tho he had posted separate suspicions during the day of:
-Michelle (“most likely a wolf”)
-Elo, who was a prominent wagon during the time that Wilgy was active (“tastes strange…of pasta water”)

D2: Wilgy pops in to attempt to make a tie vote between DH/Quin/LoRab for the lols. I think at the time Quin started amassing votes He enlists Golden to switch his vote to DH, and Golden obliges for a bit. Talks about “maybe saving LoRab” before the end. The big hypocrisy with Wilgy that just doesn’t make sense is his desire to
a) make a “super sexy 3-way tie” because it’s fun
b) criticize GMan for wanting to leave the elimination up to the moderator, because it “would be never in our favor”. I’m not even sure what that means, but the logical dichotomy of those 2 statements just makes me shake my head.

He was obviously active around End of day, and even tho he was still in silly Wilgy gimmick mode, he definitely was invested. Voted Quin at some point in the last 2 minutes, and we can assume Quin probably wasn’t in terrible danger of going over because with 2 minutes left, Sloonei made a plea to Vivax and Llama (who were probably the only voters there, maybe with JJJ, the NPC) to switch to DH because the “Quin wagon is dead”. Wilgy asks DH to vote Quin, but DH declines for whatever reason. In response to Sloonei’s plea, llama stays put on Quin and Wilgy decides to counter Sloonei by also voting there. Final vote- LoRab 6, Quin 4, DH 4. Close call, but the vote did’nt go over for Quin, did it? For someone active up until the final minute, he had this to say in the night:
“Y'all are mistaken if your conclusion has lead you to believe I have any stake in this game.”
Hmmm

D3: Early, after Sloonei makes a sizable case on GMan, he agrees and says GMan is a good vote. Votes there. Doesn’t add much at all to the discussion. Not a terrible look for Wilgy.

D4: Wilgy played with his food a lot D4. In that I mean I watched as a stagnant thread with a soon-to-be-dead bea got a little infusion from Wilgy, who attempted to rally the troops onto Vivax2.0 or even Quin as a comparable counter wagon.
He makes one post in particular where he apparently is reading back to EoD D1 and is confused as to how the Vivax1.0 wagon exploded, says it “tastes funny” and then does absolutely nothing with that conclusion.


There are notes of citrus and calming elderberries in how Wilgy is placing reads on people. What I mean is…he isn’t saying much concrete while being very descriptive. It does remind me a lot of GMan’s reads- hollow, perhaps, and not usually followed up on. I think Wilgy, if bad, has played a smart game.
I think it not as likely for him to be paired with Quin. He’s left his vote on him in unnecessarily close situations and even lightly pushed for Quin’s dismissal for several days. It’s a pretty blatant bus that I don’t think Wilgy needs to do. Possible, yes, but too brazen in my opinion.

Golden and Sloonei

This is a pairing of players that I think go hand in hand. Not because I think they’re on the same team but because I don’t think they’re w/w.

Golden is someone that has expressed keen interest in pinning down Sloonei’s role. Golden has like 6 people’s roles “in mind” which is just dandy for him. I also have roles in mind for people, but the weird part to me is that when pressed on it, Golden zips up his mouth and becomes slightly indignant talking about it, suggesting mafia will get whiffs of his grand role matching and use it against the town. He compounds this attitude with unabashedly- and unprompted- also inserting throughout the game “I have a role in mind for {x} player” which is like that acquaintance on Facebook that casually makes their status “I can’t believe this happened to me today!” allowing concerned comments to pile up for a few days, and never resolving it. What happened to you, Chelsea?! WHY WOULD YOU DO THIS TO MY PSYCHE.

I’m glad that Golden has roles in mind for people, and that may very well help his own game. But at some point as we start whittling down players, communitizing role guesses becomes less about “not giving mafia the benefit of information” and more about “helping the town as a whole identify and make better choices so we don’t lose the game.”

There’s a certain gate keeping of “the old ways” that I willingly want to respect, but I’m also not one to throw away the key to unlocking the game because “that’s not the way we do things here”. In this game, confidence in reads and how you flaunt that confidence dictates a lot of reads for other people.

All of this leads to my hesitance and blatant confusion when it comes to my read of Sloonei. It’s Golden and Golden specifically that has kept me from hard townreading Sloonei, and it’s because of his vague confidence that Sloonei isn’t the one that switched the first elimination to Vivax1.0. I can’t pry out what Golden really thinks Sloonei is, and we can’t info dump in this game (That’s fine, wouldn’t ask it if anyone had info) but it could be heavily inferred that Sloonei and Quin were masons. It made sense with the blatant shielding going on early. But Sloonei- after a couple days of hard town reading Quin- walked back his Townread to a more questionable read of him on day 3. This seemed to fracture Golden’s crystal ball for a second, but it seemed in-thread that it was a brief stay of confusion before he just shrugged it off and maybe conf biased himself that it was just a blip and everything is still fine and dandy. This confused the shit out of me. Because that didn’t seem like an attitude of a player with a Mason in Quin. So if he isn’t a Mason, and isn’t the elim switcher…I got nothing to explain Sloonei’s behavior this game.

On Night 2, Sloonei showed some flashes of old civ Sloonei, with deep dives into ISOs and interactions with DrWilgy and then a pretty thorough casing on GMan, which was welcomed! But before that? Wet towel. Even now, after bea’s untimely demise, his comment of “I wish this person rezzed can just take my place”. I don’t get it. It’s like he has not spark or drive this game. It’s really bugging me out.

But here’s what I think:

I think Sloonei is town. And that is because I think Golden is intentionally or unintentionally misleading or at least has convinced himself that the puzzle piece that he holds still fits, even though he’s trying to trade 3 sheep for 2 wood in a game of Monopoly.

Vote count currently 30 hours left in day 5

Hokay. This is long.

GMan Eccentricities

GMan is a statistical person and I tbink I can learn a lot by looking at the way he frames reads. Standouts from GMan’s brief ISO:
“I'm not inclined to chop anyone with a lower post count than myself, so that means a stay of execution for LoRab, DF, and Kate for now. Let them establish themselves for at least the night phase and we'll see what shakes out.”

-If we use the ‘Rule of Three’, DF looks suspect with this grouping.

-Also to note how arbitrary this was. Several people had about 2-3 more posts than GMan at the time of this post. Guess what? He didn’t include those people in this entire grouping.
Out of 17 players, he listed 14 in this post.
Ostensibly missing were:
-Wilgy (3 more posts than GMan)
-Quin (2 more posts than GMan)
-fingersplints (1 more post than GMan)

At least one of those players is probably bad. It’s most likely not splints. Which leaves one or both of Quin and Wilgy. Book it.

Moving on
NAA makes GMan forget to do his lettering. Call me superstitious but I don’t think GMan calls his teammate out on that or that he would bring it to light.
+15 points for GryffiNAAdor

“Big Talk- Scotty, Sloonei, Golden coward, DH- I would be shocked if there wasn’t a baddie in that group. Maybe two, but lots of productive chatter for the most part.”

This will become a recurring tinfoil for GMan: the “big posters” theory
Though can it be a tinfoil hat if he is the alien?

GMan is too tinfoily with this theory too consistently for it to be true. I HIGHLY doubt he does this and harps on there being 2 in the group of Me, Sloonei, Golden, DH if there actually is.

Fast forward to more recently: Do you see it? The subtle disillusionment and parsing of his big talker theory from Me/Golden/Sloonei/DH > Golden/Sloonei. Scotty (become obvtown), and DH (too emotional to be mafia) / SVS (not tricksy yet) are out of the POE

I’m about willing to say Golden and Sloonei look GREAT for this. Looking less good? DH/SVS for the exclusion.
“G-Man, LoRab, DF- low posters. Not ideal to find myself in that camp that must be ‘dealt with’ before too long. I saw points about LR’s evasiveness but I’m not exactly one to harp on that without being a hypocrite just yet. DF… just needs to show up for the weekend and get some content before he becomes an afterthought to everything happening in the present.”

Guess what again? Rule of Three. Except GMan clumped himself in it, I almost think his name doesn’t count for this rule. This is something I’ve also done unconsciously if I want to simultaneously self slander myself in the name of an ally and present myself as a humble civilian. DF looks suspect by proxy in this rule again.

“VivAxe or Viv2.0, Eloh, Michelle, Quin- mixed bag here. Eloh was sussed yesterday, Viv2.0 is a reset and still murky on D1 NAA read, Michelle feels most ambiguous (her posts didn’t make any impression on me), and same goes for Quin. These folks are at radar-level. I need to ISO to see if I detected a skimmer.

Kate, sig, Bea, Wilgy- 1/2 seem off the table today and the sig is less memorable that Wilgy licking everything in sight. Under the radar crew- also need ISOs to find manufactured content.”

These groupings are less conclusive. I feel as tho these groupings are important, however, because I think GMan could have conceptually clumped all of these players into the same tier, but he separated it into two. I highly suspect there are not multiple mafia in the same list. So I doubt there are 2 mafia in { Kate, sig, bea, Wilgy}
Nor
{Vivax2.0/Elo/Michelle/Quin}

This one is a doozy. Some of his most substantive word salad to date.
Groupings (and I don’t qualify this as following the rule of three BECAUSE he doesn’t just lop these names together, but in stead goes into detail on each. The details are important.)

(Upper townleans) DH/Wilgy/Quin

DH: “a stone’s throw away from the trio I just talked about”
Well, he talked about 4 people, and DH was one of them, so this is an odd framing.

Wilgy: “I need to read his ISO; he needs to step it up”

Quin: “I need to read his ISO; he needs to step it up.”

(Lower townleans) Kate/Michelle/sig

Kate: “she seemed to have been OT targeted”
We can safely assume Kate is civ and GMan goes into a lengthy reason as to his feelings with her. It almost sounds like he believes she is civ.

Michelle: “not meaty or fluffy, her content just evaporates in my mind. Has she posted anything to chew on since this morning?”

Sig: “kind of the same way for me”

Unlike the tier above, he asks the thread at large if Michelle posted, and just says sig is forgettable instead of saying he needs to read their ISO. Very different way of handling Quin and Wilgy. I think one or both of Michelle/sig at least are on a different team than one or both of Wilgy/Quin. Im leaning Michelle and sig = good for how pointed and brief his suspicion of her was.


(Null reads, aka existing outside of our dimension in a self imposed Twilight Zone) DF/Vivax2.0

DF: “lack of posting is troublesome; I hate that lingering concern about a low-participation player becoming an easy target if we screw up D3 and get desperate.”

Way to hedge the suspicion by saying DF will just be LHF. Gives him a nice out.

Vivax2.0: “Vivax is new to me; I need to ISO him”

He needs to ISO like Wilgy and Quin, but curiously where Wilgy and Quin seemed to offer more for GMan to bite on before giving another ISO, Vivax2.0 is just tricky because he doesn’t know him.
Sloonei offers to help clear up DF’s posting, and GMan happily says he appreciates the lead. Does absolutely nothing with it
Wowee. That list bit is the most backlash that GMan has served back all game, replying to DH. In some ways, it looks a little overembellished. Like, it was beginning to sound like my usual array stupid quips and similes. Like, he ends a whole paragraph with a sign off “Until then, <meme>” and surprisingly takes off his hoop earrings and launches into another paragraph with more quips and comparisons. It’s a little…too heavy handed. I question if that is just GMan insecurely responding to criticism or if it is manufactured drama between teammates. But it is something to note for DH and GMan that for all of this, I don’t think either player actually accuses the other of anything. I’d say this is a bad look for DH

This is followed up by GMan having a crisis of character: This may just cement that it truly is just GMan’s insecurity talking and not necessarily teammate hutzpah. This looks like a legitimate apology that I don’t think a teammate would make. Looks better for DH
GMan intends to condenses his POE down to 6, though vaguely just starts ISOing in alphabetical order. bea, DF, Wilgy, Elo, Kate.

Well we can outright write off bea and Kate, and there’s no way in hell GMan would include all 3 of his teammates here in his POE in one post.
-His DF read was “inconclusive”, and in the POE not because he wants to, but because DF just isn’t giving him a choice.
-His Wilgy read was actually pretty fair and had some critical words about the lack of productivity and lack of desire to sink his teeth into the game. Can’t townclear…but also he doesn’t say that Wilgy is IN his POE like he did with DF. Just noting.
-This is the first time GMan has gone into detail about Elo suspicions and it’s a pretty civ leaning read. In a vacuum that could be suspicious, but I think looking at his posts so far, I think GMan just knows Elo is civ and hasn’t talked about her.
Listing DF as part of the POE and soft spanking Wilgy for not being productive, though not enough to expressly be part of the POE in the same post looks like GMan didn’t want to include both his teammates in the POE while still looking like he had some mean things to say. He DOES end up making those 2 the only ones in his POE, which does put a wrinkle. It is informative to know that GMan was not done with his reads, however, so having your only POE at the time of just your teammates isn’t out of the question if you’re going to continue filling it in.
And continuing the ISOs in alphabetical order
-Michelle is “mehchelle” (lol) and isn’t worthy of a Townread
-Viv2.0 is still new to GMan, but “let’s see where this one goes”
-With Quin, he starts off with “Yikes” and ends with a softer “His posts go in and out of focus almost as they need to. I'd say it's not strong enough to evade the poe yet.”
-sig “feels a lot like” Quin. This is the second time GMan has made a read of sig and immediately equated his play to someone else (Michelle last). But sig looks better than Quin and isn’t in the POE. Curious.

This looks bad for Quin and not great for sig either

Lastly, I want to point to his last post about big talkers again. GMan routinely comes back to this big talkers steering the thread away from baddies. There’s a lot of WIFOM there, but note this progression in his last big post:

“DH's emotions got the better of him and I just don't see that coming from a baddie DH who wasn't cornered yet.”
>
“I said a while back that there's got to be a baddie among the big talkers or else this game would harmonize. That leaves Sloonei and Golden…one of them has to be bad or this game is whack.”
>
“Golden got a little emotional right back at DH Night 2”
>
“Weeding out Scotty and DH/S~V~S, and that pushes both Sloonei and Golden into the poe for Thunderdome.”

So DH gets a pass because he was over emotional, but when Golden got emotional, it’s just another Tuesday? Huh.

His final POE, expanded from just DF and Wilgy is:

POE:
-DF
-DrWilgy
-Golden the Coward
-Michelle
-Quin
-Sloonei


The constant insistence of the top talkers being suspect in Golden and Sloonei makes me feel like he’s sidestepping. It’s even weirder to continually lump DH/SVS in and out of that category, but exclude them from the POE.
I HIGHLY doubt GMan put all his teammates in his 6 person POE. Which makes me feel like at least one of sig/SVS are bad.



From my GMan observations:
-Sloonei, Golden, NAA/Vivax2.0 look great, Elo
-Michelle looks fine
-SVS/DH and sig are firmly compatible, and at least one of them is most likely bad
-2 of: DF, Quin and/or Wilgy are probably bad.

Just from these interactions alone, I could see a legit individual pairing of DF/Quin/Wilgy/DH or mix and match Quin/Wilgy with sig/SVS without yet looking into these player’s interactive ISOs with each other.

@Quin who do you suspect in this game?

And don’t say Golden- that vote today is a blatant OMGUS. Your last few votes in order were Kate, Sloonei, Elo.

I have no idea who you actually find suspicious in this game.

Vivax wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 11:11 pm

sig wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 10:34 pm 11 players left 3 mafia.


We’re still in a good place thankfully. (Assuming Scotty isn’t mafia which I’d have assumed if he was vigged said vig would’ve been freaking out)

I’m leaning toward Michelle or Quin. Quin based off and Michelle is mainly gut.

Bea’s flip semi clears DF for me since he was also insaned

Don't understand how being insaned clears DF for you

Mind meld

sig wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 10:34 pm 11 players left 3 mafia.


We’re still in a good place thankfully. (Assuming Scotty isn’t mafia which I’d have assumed if he was vigged said vig would’ve been freaking out)

I’m leaning toward Michelle or Quin. Quin based off and Michelle is mainly gut.

Bea’s flip semi clears DF for me since he was also insaned

Being insaned means they just missed the vote. How does that clear anybody?

Vivax wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 10:25 pm First thoughts:

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 9:40 pm Welcome back Scotty!

Rip Kate I hope we'll play again!

I need time to think at what happened yesterday, taking into account the NK. Sleeping on it

Not going to lie, that emoji makes me uncomfortable.

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Oct 27, 2022 11:04 am Change of plans we visit this town we are in now. Oh well...

RIP Fingers, now I read the results
Noted how Sig said her Iso doesn't tell much. I will read it too to check that after I come back at hotel

As does this pronoun usage for sig after doing an ISO looking for similar posts on a NK.

I think she is saying sig said splints’ (she) iso doesn’t say much

S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 10:16 pm Also @Scotty why do you think you were NKed?

Because I’m just too unresistable, obv

I’m surprised it took them this long. I was almost unanimously Townread. Why do you think I was killed?

Vivax wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 10:14 pm Looks like we didn't get away from the night scots free

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 9:55 pm I will not resist if I am the consensus choice today. I am frankly just exhausted. I feel as though I should be cleared for about four different reasons this game, but that is not happening for whatever reason.

I’m going to focus on finishing my G-man interaction analysis this phase. Whatever y’all want to do with me, fine. I do feel as though the game would benefit from seeing my flip and moving on, but I would obviously prefer we go after The Bad Guys.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 9:53 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 8:56 pm I was secretly hoping y’all would pick Llama to come back, since he’s more on brand for the theme of this game and I thought his space apart from the game would have given him some fresh reads. But I get why y’all brought me back. Thanks.

So, before I launch into what I have observed from the great yonder (It’s cold and dark out there), I’d prefer to hear from players as to who their top suspects are as we start the day. I don’t want to color anyone’s reads.

RIP Kate

With Bea removed as as part of the G Man lynch cluster, I’m back where I was re Sloonei and not understanding how that lynch went down if Sloonei is a civ.

I feel ok about Wilgy, and Vivax. Sig and Faraday are slightly green question marks. Golden and Michelle are double question marks. I am feeling less than great about Sloonei and Quin.

I look forward to hearing your opinions.

Thanks SVS

Implicating wagons aside, do you think Sloonei in a vacuum has behaved uncivlike?

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 9:40 pm Welcome back Scotty!

Rip Kate I hope we'll play again!

I need time to think at what happened yesterday, taking into account the NK. Sleeping on it

Y’all had all of the night to think about it.

How does losing Kate factor into bea’s miselim?