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On a scale of 1-10 matt, give me the order of who you would prefer to lynch, 1 being highest preference

Matt wrote:Illy...

Wtf

Scotty, if I voted Epi and not Marmot, you'd probably vote me huh?

Yea

I dont trust MM's veiled claim and that is why I'm keeping it on him. But let it be known that I also think Matt is bad now. I'm growing more and more confident of Matt "bernside" and his Vice President MM "MetalMarioWeasel" 2016.

Matt wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Matt wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Matt wrote:
Assuming you had to choose to vote Lorab or MM, which way do you go?
G2H Marmot
Yet...your vote is not on him. Why not?
Wasn't Ika your big suss for awhile? Why do you keep ignoring me bringing ika up?

Matt wrote:Also unfair question.

You said "assuming" I "had to" vote for either of them.

I don't have to vote for either of them, but I was telling you who I would honestly vote for if it came down to it.

Then you ask me why my vote isn't on Marmot...

That's tricky dude, what you up to?

Holy hell dude, answer the question.

Hmmmmmmm Epi this is a big decision.

I am not as confident with LoRab as being bad as you are. I thought I felt better, but I don't know.

Should we just take the overlap and run Matt? He is just a wildcard to me. He could be good, but he could be bad. I think I've deduced down to him, Mm, and LoRab at this point. I just don't want to be wrong on which of the 3 is good

I'm down with this whole MM/Matt duo

Yo Dom. Or ika. Hop on this Mm train or else it'll be a LoRab/Mm tie

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Scotty wrote:
Illyria wrote:Ugh. Why is this lynch so hard??

Right now I am leaning civ for Ika, LoRab and probably Matt.

That leaves me Scotty and MM.

Scotty, why not just vote for MM? Unless you are protecting him....
You know, I will vote for Mm. I have a hunch, plus he was my first gut read as scum in this game.

Vote MM
Well that's convenient isn't it?

This isn't the worst thing that could happen today, but it's certainly not the best either.
What would be the worst thing that could happen?
I'll let you know if it happens.

I think I know what you're hinting at and I don't buy it.

But I'm down to prove me wrong

Yo LoRab, let's say Wilgy checked both of us and neither of us had BTSC.

Let's also say that one of the three people Wilgy checked had BTSC and they were civ with BTSC.

How would that make you feel about your current voting suspicions, if this were true?

Illyria wrote:Ugh. Why is this lynch so hard??

Right now I am leaning civ for Ika, LoRab and probably Matt.

That leaves me Scotty and MM.

Scotty, why not just vote for MM? Unless you are protecting him....

You know, I will vote for Mm. I have a hunch, plus he was my first gut read as scum in this game.

Vote MM

Matt wrote:
Scotty wrote:@HOST
If Mafia gains power of Tom's role after blackmailing him, would he be able to use the power the following day, since it isn't a night power role? Or would Mafia be able to use it at all?
I'm going to take an educated guess and say that Tom would not be able to use his power the following day.

It's all about semantics of the wording. Because that role description on the surface wouldn't allow this

@HOST
If Mafia gains power of Tom's role after blackmailing him, would he be able to use the power the following day, since it isn't a night power role? Or would Mafia be able to use it at all?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
LoRab wrote:
Dom wrote:What are the reasons you're not bad?
Read any of my defense posts, in which I talk about points that have been made that others have found suspicious.

And, I'm not bad because the role I was sent isn't a bad role.

But, really, because I've been doing my best to help the civies. I haven't jumped on a number of the lynch trains that have formed. I did have a lynch train formed against me--which at least 1 civie thought was BS based on the fact that I was saved. And I'll make that 2 civies that thought it was BS because of Wilgy (even though no role is infallible, as I point out above).
The problem with this argument, is this is exactly what Sorsha did too. She voted off of several bandwagons, and she had Matt defending against her lynch, though I guess in this case I don't think he is a civilian.

Speaking of redirects, what if the mafia got a hold of a lynch switch the day you were supposed to be lynched. You said we can't be sure about Scotty because of the potential for redirects, but we also can't be sure that a civilian switched the lynch from you.

LoRab wrote:Also, and I know this is WIFOM, but look at the kills. Do those really look like choices that I would advocate? Even knowing that any 1 baddie only has so much of a voice on a team, I don't think any of the choices are ones with which I would remotely agree to.

And I also know that the baddies probably know my role by now and would be quite happy to lynch me. So, the fact that people keep mentioning my name for amorphous reasons--some of those folks have to be bad and are trying to keep things in that direction.
Yeah that's WIFOM. :P

So you've been voting for Epi thid phase and yet also suspect Matt is bad and now also suspect LoRab? There's only 2 bad guys you know

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Scotty wrote:Note that I did a complete 180 turnaround from my night case against Epi, and not voting him.

MM, why are you voting Epi? You've given less on the matter than Phil the Groundhog cares about seeing his shadow every year.
Why is everyone calling me a groundhog lately? I'm not remotely a groundhog.

I think today's the day to vote for Epignosis. I found ika's case very convincing. I might switch before the day is over unless the lynch ends up being somewhat unanimous.

Why did you do a complete 180 on Epignosis last night? I find it suspicious that you no longer suspect him the day I decide to vote for him.

I slowed the train down way before you voted Epi unannounced, so find that as suspicious as you want- you voting him has no bearing on my opinion.

That 5 separate people are very certain and vehement in backing up Epi's civ play (including Mrs Hughes) is the biggest thing. It could be they're all wrong about him, but I'm mired in self doubt.

I do remember that Dom may have left a breadcrumb as to his role, and I think this is the second time I forgot I assumed this.

Matt is someone who seemed very much confused during the Sorsha lynch EoD, but that could very well be a facade.

MM you have been sneaking by, so I wouldn't mind voting there. Maybe. Today's vote for me would optimally come down to those 2. Though I don't see convincing evidence for either, unfortunately.

Note that I did a complete 180 turnaround from my night case against Epi, and not voting him.

MM, why are you voting Epi? You've given less on the matter than Phil the Groundhog cares about seeing his shadow every year.

Epignosis wrote:Scotty, is there a reason you mentioned trusting MetalMarsh89 more? I noticed he voted for Lorab when Lorab was supposed to be lynched, but now is voting for me.

Here's a hypothetical. If you were blackmailed to vote a certain way, would you believe that the way you were told to vote is bad, or looks better for it?

Epignosis wrote:Also, Scotty, you voted spacedaisy instead of Lorab Day 3. Why?

I don't remember.

Dom, who are you planning to vote for?

Tieing the vote for LoRab. MM unceremoniously voted Epi without notice, so I'm voting for LoRab

Epignosis wrote:
Scotty wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Scotty wrote:Rip BR.

Ok. So. I'm not voting Epi today. I don't think. Even after all that. Call me crazy.

I would entertain a LoRab vote, but that Wilgy wouldn't lynch LoRab is throwing me. Illy and Epi are too tight to make me feel comfortable. Matt trusts Epi. Dom trusts Epi. Black Rock trusted Epi. I find it hard to believe that with that many people supporting Epi he is scum. Possible, and it would make me feel better in post game if I was right all along, but I'm putting it aside for now because I'm not trusting my own judgment there.

My oversight might have been that llama was blackmailed into forming a case against Epi. This is completely plausible, and could even be likely. It would just be unfortunate if that was the case.

Matt could be bad. Ika could be bad, albeit emotional, but I would rather vote Matt > ika.
Well, consider the plausibility: You have a role checker on your team. You find out thellama73 is Cora. You blackmail him into going after me. Then you get him lynched.

I don't know that that is how it went down. I'm just saying it's something I would do for sure. It's a brilliant strategy.
Whoever is coming up with these strategies has to explain the real line of thinking for that LC kill then
I hope you know that saying stuff like this doesn't help me think you are good.

By not understanding why LC was killed? People posed theories, I just don't see the merit in any of them. Why is that a negative point in your book?

Oh dammit to hell, Dom was removed from the poll.

Who keeps doing that? Why don't you ever remove me?

Oh yeah, I forgot about Dom. He defends Epi, but Epi just blasted him yesterday.

I read Dom as possibly bad on day 1, so why not?

Vote Dom

Epignosis wrote:
Scotty wrote:Rip BR.

Ok. So. I'm not voting Epi today. I don't think. Even after all that. Call me crazy.

I would entertain a LoRab vote, but that Wilgy wouldn't lynch LoRab is throwing me. Illy and Epi are too tight to make me feel comfortable. Matt trusts Epi. Dom trusts Epi. Black Rock trusted Epi. I find it hard to believe that with that many people supporting Epi he is scum. Possible, and it would make me feel better in post game if I was right all along, but I'm putting it aside for now because I'm not trusting my own judgment there.

My oversight might have been that llama was blackmailed into forming a case against Epi. This is completely plausible, and could even be likely. It would just be unfortunate if that was the case.

Matt could be bad. Ika could be bad, albeit emotional, but I would rather vote Matt > ika.
Well, consider the plausibility: You have a role checker on your team. You find out thellama73 is Cora. You blackmail him into going after me. Then you get him lynched.

I don't know that that is how it went down. I'm just saying it's something I would do for sure. It's a brilliant strategy.

Whoever is coming up with these strategies has to explain the real line of thinking for that LC kill then

Rip BR.

Ok. So. I'm not voting Epi today. I don't think. Even after all that. Call me crazy.

I would entertain a LoRab vote, but that Wilgy wouldn't lynch LoRab is throwing me. Illy and Epi are too tight to make me feel comfortable. Matt trusts Epi. Dom trusts Epi. Black Rock trusted Epi. I find it hard to believe that with that many people supporting Epi he is scum. Possible, and it would make me feel better in post game if I was right all along, but I'm putting it aside for now because I'm not trusting my own judgment there.

My oversight might have been that llama was blackmailed into forming a case against Epi. This is completely plausible, and could even be likely. It would just be unfortunate if that was the case.

Matt could be bad. Ika could be bad, albeit emotional, but I would rather vote Matt > ika.

Illyria wrote:
ika wrote:so prob epi and dom?
Absolutely not either of them. Is this your way of kicking open the door and announcing you are Mafia?

Dom wrote:
ika wrote:so prob epi and dom?
It's cute that it's you and Scotty.
IKR??

Epignosis wrote:
ika wrote:i like how dom tries to discret the confirmed town with a simple "oh he was blackmailed"
Yeah, I like it too. He's probably right.
I concur.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
ika wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Dom, why did you vote for... nobody?
hey MM who would you vote for tommorw?
You

Or Scotty.

Or Matt.

Epignosis has been removed from the lynch poll three times now. Either he his mafia and has blackmailed that role three times now and succeeded, he is mafia and some civilian trusts him enough to keep removing him for no particular reason, or he's a civilian. I believe it is the final of these three options.
That is my list as well.

Scotty wrote:Holy shit. I didn't realize llama's last 10 posts are all very decisive on Epi's badness. This started on day 5, in which Epi was taken off the poll for the second time of the game for some reason. I don't think Llama misplayed his role like Epi suggests, and actually would be flabbergasted if he didn't lie check Epi. I don't know what lie this would have been, but it would make sense.

Epi was one of the 3 names Wilgy listed as people he didn't trust before he was lynched.

So.

To me, this is pretty clear, and my earlier suspicions of Epi were not unfounded. I feel much better voting for Epi tomorrow. But only if Mrs Hughes is done having a nice laugh removing Epi from the poll, we can make stuff happen.

Dom, why are you defending Epi? If Epi flips bad, I could be in good conscience to lead a lynch on you based on these interactions I'm seeing
Or Mrs Hughes knows something you do not.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Anyone want to try some of this watermelon lime ale I'm drinking?
*gags*

No..... No thank you. Very kind of you to offer.

Epignosis wrote:Right now, I think Matt and ika need to be lynched.
I am totally down with that.

Scotty wrote:I have backed down from this earlier because Epi has been removed from the poll twice and has been backed up by Black Rock and Dom for his supposed "civ play". Epi doesn't even believe in meta gaming, so at some point, what separates his civ play from his Mafia play? Mrs Hughes has BTSC with another civ, so agreement among two people that otherwise know nothing does not a clean person make. People make mistakes.
OR you have missed something.

Also, Ika why DID you vote for Llama???

You are my pick for the second Mafia once Epi flips bad fyi

ika wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
ika wrote:That beign said, i think epi is jsut making bullshit about knowing who's on and who's not, its very easy to put on invisible mode to hide yourself and unless he has powers to bypass that (and if he does and uses it i would call that cheating for using something only he can get that others can not). and even then i think its a stretch
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Nothing powerful about it.

didnt change my point that if one thinks town loses based on PR or lack of results of PR play is silly. town at its core is nothign more then town vs mafia and town should only need the power of the lynch

The simple answer here is: neither of us exist.

Matt wrote:RIP Llama

If Epi is mafia and he's been taken off the poll 3 times then hahaha that's pretty funny. Deeeeerp.

3 times? I thought it was only 2

Dom wrote:
Scotty wrote:
Dom wrote:Why did he get Sorsha lynched?
But I appreciate how adamantly you are questioning the validity of the evidence before you.

What specifically makes you think Epi is good in the wake of what I have presented?
Tone. If I'm wrong I'll be super pissed at myself.

Question: how was Epis laziness vote for her different than the case against her?

At some point you have to separate tone and actions. Lenny from 'Of Mice and Men' was very kind to that rabbit before snapping its neck.

How was Epi's laziness vote for Sorsha different than the case against her?
What was lazy about it? Did he say somewhere it was a lazy vote? Because nothing about his vote seemed lazy. It happened like 1-2 minutes before the deadline. It almost seemed spiteful.

Why did Sorsha vote Illyria instead of LC? LC had 3 votes- 1 of which was Epi- while Illyria had 3 votes, 1 of which was LC. Epi could have sent Illyria home, but his defense of that checks out in that he believed Illyria to be good. So it would make sense for him to vote Sorsha to save Illyria.

I don't view this as a lazy vote, because a lazy vote would have been for LC, where he left it. No, this was a calculated vote.

Dom wrote:Why did he get Sorsha lynched?

But I appreciate how adamantly you are questioning the validity of the evidence before you.

What specifically makes you think Epi is good in the wake of what I have presented?

Dom wrote:Why did he get Sorsha lynched?

Did he?

Epignosis wrote:At thirty-five posts, Sorsha will be the easiest place to begin.

Sorsha's first interaction is with ika, and is about ika's methods of catching mafia and policy lynches. That's five of her first six posts, or 14% of her total activity.

Her second interaction is with Silverwolf, expressing disagreement with her MM vote. That's the next three posts.

After briefly questioning thellama73 on what constitutes filler, Sorsha balks at the exchange between birdwithteeth11 and DFaraday, mother and son, respectively.

She answered Scotty's question about birdwithteeth11 in AWR or Recruitment, whichever it was.

Ultimately, Sorsha missed the Day 1 vote.

Sorsha's Day 2 activity consists of questions, a vote on Bubbles, and a response to a criticism from Long Con about low-hanging fruit.

Sorsha laments voting Bubbles, and says she didn't know bea was replacing in. I believe this: Sorsha didn't post at all after her Bubbles vote, and wasn't around when bea got replaced.

Sorsha laments being busy* and tired, says she trusts thellama73 and Scotty, and would consider voting spacedaisy (who was good). She doesn't get why Lorab is getting votes. She ultimately votes Long Con because of "gut," completely out of the Lorab / spacedaisy lynch (that sadly went to DFaraday).

*(Thank God I proofread- I had originally typed out "busty." )

Sorsha claims to have misread the doctor's role, which is believable, given that the doctor is a stopper, not a switcher.

Sorsha confesses to being busy in Spirited Away (where she was bad, working to put the final nail in the coffin for the civilians). She says she'd vote Bubbles over again and that she would devote more time to this after Spirited Away (a promise I don't think she's kept).

Day 4 she voted herself and vanished.

Day 5 she voted Nerolunar, commented that she could also vote ika, and vanished.

++++

I don't see anything here beyond laziness that makes me want to lynch Sorsha. She had 72 posts in Spirited Away, and that lasted eight phases. We're in the sixth, and she's at half that number. Perhaps I'm being naive, but if Sorsha were bad here, I don't think she'd be this lazy.

Moving on.

Epignosis wrote:
Scotty wrote:Yo.

I'm actually really perturbed by Lady Rose. Like, I have literally no idea what she is doing.

As far as we know, she has insanified Wilgy to speak in weird caps lock cipher, and just today, LC seems to be afflicted with the same stupid cipher.

Forgive my bluntness but if LC's insanity is legit, Lady Rose is inept. I mean come on:
She provides a bit of fun to the thread by insanifying a player each night with the insanity of her choice
It's her choice to use her powers, but so far, that would mean she has done 2 insanifies in 5 cycles, and both times have been the exact same stupid insanity.

This just seems too unlikely to be true.

I think LC is faking.
This was on my mind during the drive home.

I would say Lady Rose is phoning it in big time. Sorsha and Lorab both fit that.

Black Rock wants to vote Sorsha and LC.

Epignosis wrote:Where you vote, I shall follow.

But not tonight. I'm tired and there is work tomorrow.

Epignosis wrote:I prefer a Long Con lynch to a Sorsha lynch myself, based on my reading. I will be around just before the deadline (and in the hour that comes before it).

Epignosis wrote:
Black Rock wrote:
Matt wrote:Laaaame. Getting rid of a...mostly...inactive instead of she-who-is-a-proven-liar?

C'mon town, you're better then this!
Matt. I really don't think Illyria is bad. Epignosis has stated this and I trust him this game. Might be the only one ever in my life, but I do. Vote Sorsha with me. Don't give the baddies another option.
Would you object if I voted Long Con at this stage after all?

Epignosis wrote:Long Con

Followed by:

Epignosis wrote:Sorsha

You should have gone for the tie.

That might as well have been in scum chat.

Epi put the final blow on Sorsha, yes, but showed no real signs of voting her beforehand and actually levied against people to push for a LC lynch instead.

This doesn't seem like someone who wanted to vote Sorsha at all, unless the civ Cred was offered.

I have backed down from this earlier because Epi has been removed from the poll twice and has been backed up by Black Rock and Dom for his supposed "civ play". Epi doesn't even believe in meta gaming, so at some point, what separates his civ play from his Mafia play? Mrs Hughes has BTSC with another civ, so agreement among two people that otherwise know nothing does not a clean person make. People make mistakes.

Spoiler: show

Epignosis wrote:
Scotty wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
Scotty wrote:Dammit. Sorry Nero. I came to my senses too late.

I think ika should be next to go. And I think at least a couple of those on the Nero train should be heavily looked at over the next few cycles.
Starting to be more unsure about Epi. I thought at first he and Polo could have had BTSC but his cases have been...bad, to say the least.
Epignosis would be a good place to look.

thellama73 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:There's just such little participation here, it's difficult to work out anybody's opinions. I vote and make a case and people follow that.

THIS is why civilians lose. It isn't because of mechanics (most of the time) and it isn't because of balance (most of the time).

It's because civilians don't try.

Try goddamnit.
You're so bad.

thellama73 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:There's just such little participation here, it's difficult to work out anybody's opinions. I vote and make a case and people follow that.

THIS is why civilians lose. It isn't because of mechanics (most of the time) and it isn't because of balance (most of the time).

It's because civilians don't try.

Try goddamnit.
You're so bad.
why
Because Elohcin, when handing out roles for this game, randomly selected you to be a member of the mafia. That's why.

thellama73 wrote:I do agree with Epi on one thing though, civilians need to stop blindly following him, because it has wrought nothing but civvie deaths so far.

thellama73 wrote:I'm dismayed at the number of people who are like "oops, okay, well Ika tomorrow" as you continue to let Epi lead you wherever he wants to.

thellama73 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
thellama73 wrote:I do agree with Epi on one thing though, civilians need to stop blindly following him, because it has wrought nothing but civvie deaths so far.
Can't blame spacedaisy for bad lynches anymore, so you're blaming me.

You voted DFaraday, Bubbles, spacedaisy, so that's three for you, Bucko.
The main difference is that you are bad and I am not, though.

thellama73 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Dom wrote:
Epignosis wrote:I have already gone through Scotty's posts. I would consider voting there based on my analysis, although the Wilgy business gives me pause.

Thankfully no one silenced me, so I am able to examine everybody else I am considering voting. Once again, I'll take Lady Edith's advice and begin there.
Lady Edith is gravely mistaken about me, and I hope to show it to you.
And Edith implied that I'm not very good or experienced, so it would appear we both have a grievance with her ladyship.
Well, that's certainly an opinion I don't share. The fact that you are good and experienced makes me distrust you.

Holy shit. I didn't realize llama's last 10 posts are all very decisive on Epi's badness. This started on day 5, in which Epi was taken off the poll for the second time of the game for some reason. I don't think Llama misplayed his role like Epi suggests, and actually would be flabbergasted if he didn't lie check Epi. I don't know what lie this would have been, but it would make sense.

Epi was one of the 3 names Wilgy listed as people he didn't trust before he was lynched.

So.

To me, this is pretty clear, and my earlier suspicions of Epi were not unfounded. I feel much better voting for Epi tomorrow. But only if Mrs Hughes is done having a nice laugh removing Epi from the poll, we can make stuff happen.

Dom, why are you defending Epi? If Epi flips bad, I could be in good conscience to lead a lynch on you based on these interactions I'm seeing
If you're a civilian, I am willing to throw the game.

If you lynch me tomorrow, and I flip good, I hope everybody lynches you for pushing this.

"Holy shit guys!"

Please. Get out of here with that. Logan wasn't using his role much. I know this.

"If you are a civilian, I am willing to throw the game."
O rly? Because I'm actually attempting to use thread based evidence and make a case against you? Weren't you the one that was hemming and hawing over the lack of effort people have used to make cases? And now that I'm building a case against you, you're willing to throw the game?!

Yowza.

"Logan wasn't using his role much"
So you admit that he did use it sometimes? Could it be that you're blowing steam out your butt like a hot iron and don't want to acknowledge that he could have used it on you? "Not...Much" is more than "at all".

Epignosis wrote:As for how I know it, I keep track of when you bitches last logged in. I pay attention to when Days end and Nights end. I see who was online during that window and who wasn't. Some people have not been using their roles.

That's one big reason civilians lose, ika. They don't use their roles.

So you're saying you know that llama didn't log in at all during the night phase of day 5?

This seems like a bold statement, and actually a scary sentiment if you are bad. Paranoid, even.

I know and a lot of other people are aware you are very good at arguing yourself out of a corner, but the writing is on the wall

Dom wrote:Scotty, which statement of Epi's do you think Logan checked?

Well, did a quick comb through Epi's posts around Day 5, when llama would probably have checked something, since he came out so strong day 6, and I think this could fit the bill:

Epignosis wrote:Well I'm interested in lynching Mafia, not sig. So you can get on board with that, or I'm going to get on board with lynching you.

Epi has played his cards close when it comes to divulging information about himself, so this little nugget could be exactly what llama would have needed.

thellama73 wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:I want reason for your Rab suspicion 1st if you can daisy.
Yes, I concur with this.

Scotty is one I could easily see being bad. He's kept kind of a low profile this game.

thellama73 wrote:I'm putting my vote on Scotty for now. The more I think about him, the more I suspect he's been flying under the radar this whole time.

Those 2 posts are the only things llama says about me when he votes me on Day 4. I can't imagine what he would have lie checked if that were the case.

Then right after on day 5:

thellama73 wrote:I'm going with Scotty again. A bit puzzled as to why the people who agreed with me yesterday have been shifting away from him.

thellama73 wrote:
Matt wrote:
thellama73 wrote:I'm going with Scotty again. A bit puzzled as to why the people who agreed with me yesterday have been shifting away from him.
I think it was Day 2 when Wilgy pretty much cleared Scotty, and in later posts down the line, you can see Wilgy continue to say things like "Don't lynch Scotty!"

Derp
Oh right. I'm voting for Epignosis then. I think he's playing a masterful game and playing us all for fools.

Llama wonders why no one bit on his suspicion of me the day before, but after Matt reminds me that Wilgy trusted LoRab and me, he switches to Epi (if he could, which he couldn't, because Epi was removed from the poll). I would gander that at this point, llama hadn't lie checked Epi yet. It's not as decisive as his posting and immediate voting for Epi was at the beginning of Day 6.

At some point, we have to look at these power roles and take them serious. They won't be right all the time, but llama's tone was that of a hot chick at comic con: he knew he had the goods, and that everyone shouldnt resist visually feasting on his assets.

thellama73 wrote:
Scotty wrote:Dammit. Sorry Nero. I came to my senses too late.

I think ika should be next to go. And I think at least a couple of those on the Nero train should be heavily looked at over the next few cycles.
Starting to be more unsure about Epi. I thought at first he and Polo could have had BTSC but his cases have been...bad, to say the least.
Epignosis would be a good place to look.

thellama73 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:There's just such little participation here, it's difficult to work out anybody's opinions. I vote and make a case and people follow that.

THIS is why civilians lose. It isn't because of mechanics (most of the time) and it isn't because of balance (most of the time).

It's because civilians don't try.

Try goddamnit.
You're so bad.

thellama73 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:There's just such little participation here, it's difficult to work out anybody's opinions. I vote and make a case and people follow that.

THIS is why civilians lose. It isn't because of mechanics (most of the time) and it isn't because of balance (most of the time).

It's because civilians don't try.

Try goddamnit.
You're so bad.
why
Because Elohcin, when handing out roles for this game, randomly selected you to be a member of the mafia. That's why.

thellama73 wrote:I do agree with Epi on one thing though, civilians need to stop blindly following him, because it has wrought nothing but civvie deaths so far.

thellama73 wrote:I'm dismayed at the number of people who are like "oops, okay, well Ika tomorrow" as you continue to let Epi lead you wherever he wants to.

thellama73 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
thellama73 wrote:I do agree with Epi on one thing though, civilians need to stop blindly following him, because it has wrought nothing but civvie deaths so far.
Can't blame spacedaisy for bad lynches anymore, so you're blaming me.

You voted DFaraday, Bubbles, spacedaisy, so that's three for you, Bucko.
The main difference is that you are bad and I am not, though.

thellama73 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Dom wrote:
Epignosis wrote:I have already gone through Scotty's posts. I would consider voting there based on my analysis, although the Wilgy business gives me pause.

Thankfully no one silenced me, so I am able to examine everybody else I am considering voting. Once again, I'll take Lady Edith's advice and begin there.
Lady Edith is gravely mistaken about me, and I hope to show it to you.
And Edith implied that I'm not very good or experienced, so it would appear we both have a grievance with her ladyship.
Well, that's certainly an opinion I don't share. The fact that you are good and experienced makes me distrust you.

Holy shit. I didn't realize llama's last 10 posts are all very decisive on Epi's badness. This started on day 5, in which Epi was taken off the poll for the second time of the game for some reason. I don't think Llama misplayed his role like Epi suggests, and actually would be flabbergasted if he didn't lie check Epi. I don't know what lie this would have been, but it would make sense.

Epi was one of the 3 names Wilgy listed as people he didn't trust before he was lynched.

So.

To me, this is pretty clear, and my earlier suspicions of Epi were not unfounded. I feel much better voting for Epi tomorrow. But only if Mrs Hughes is done having a nice laugh removing Epi from the poll, we can make stuff happen.

Dom, why are you defending Epi? If Epi flips bad, I could be in good conscience to lead a lynch on you based on these interactions I'm seeing

Dammit. Well..maybe he left some hints. This would explain a bit of his early and random voting.
Rip llama- I'll look into your posts in a bit

Epignosis wrote:Called it.

Epignosis = illuminati confirmed

Epignosis wrote:Sorry, Dom. I just got tired of WWJJJD? all the time.

Scotty's reaction to me "suspecting" Dom was to remind me that I wanted to go after ika. I'm not sure why he got that impression from my posts.

Scotty wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Scotty wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Scotty wrote:
Epignosis wrote:So...who feels like lynching Dom?
Not ika anymore? I thought you were feeling an ika lynch
So you don't have an opinion on Dom?
That wasn't what I asked
And...your response wasn't what I asked.
Dom is a null read to me, but I'd possibly vote there.

Earlier (a few days ago I think) you mentioned thinking what llama was doing made sense, implying he was civ. How did you reach that conclusion?
If Scotty is mafia, then it means he wants to keep ika at the top of the list, and when ika gets lynched, we can try Dom next (hence him saying he could possibly vote there). Someone suspicious of Scotty would say Scotty was posturing, setting up the next couple of lynches.

thellama73 is moving this weekend, so I understand his lack of activity. However, he voted Dom without saying why. I had a certain role in mind for him based on the patterns of his thread (in)activity, but now I doubt my speculation was correct.

ika didn't answer my questions and just voted thellama73.

I have very little time to decide where I am voting. We, too, have a birthday party to attend, and the host post I can already tell you will be late due to this.

If I were Mafia, I would have killed you by now.

How's that for WIFOM.

Also I think I have an idea of what Dom is now that he mentioned it. I remember him indirectly hinting at it, so I think I will leave him.

Ika and llama are on my list, and I've never brought up ika before since he's had my back, but of course he would know that I'm civ if he were bad.
That he's voting for llama isn't a great sign, but I feel stronger that llama is bad based on his voting this game.

Llama, why are you voting Dom?

Llama is a big question mark for me. His voting record is far from stellar, and for some reason Epi viewed him as not a threat. I dont get what role he sees in Llama on his spreadsheet, but ima join ika I guess and vote Llama here to tie it up

Llama

Dom wrote:
Epignosis wrote:No one wants to discuss Dom's bullshit? He's practically been floating around doing nothing.
I wish the people who know my role were alive.

Are you claiming BTSC, or did oh tell your relative your role, and later they passed away?

Epignosis wrote:
Scotty wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Scotty wrote:
Epignosis wrote:So...who feels like lynching Dom?
Not ika anymore? I thought you were feeling an ika lynch
So you don't have an opinion on Dom?
That wasn't what I asked
And...your response wasn't what I asked.

Dom is a null read to me, but I'd possibly vote there.

Earlier (a few days ago I think) you mentioned thinking what llama was doing made sense, implying he was civ. How did you reach that conclusion?

Epignosis wrote:
Scotty wrote:
Epignosis wrote:So...who feels like lynching Dom?
Not ika anymore? I thought you were feeling an ika lynch
So you don't have an opinion on Dom?

That wasn't what I asked

Epignosis wrote:So...who feels like lynching Dom?

Not ika anymore? I thought you were feeling an ika lynch

What the crap? What kind of bass ackwards stunt was that, Mafia?

Hmmph. Sorry LC, guess you were good. RIP

In other news, I'm beginning to trust MM more

Long Con wrote:Hey guys, that was a harrowing lynch, I'm glad we finally got one in Sorsha. Oh yeah, also how's about you don't lynch me because I'm not a freakin' baddie?!

I don't know what inspired people to hop on the classic old "LC is a baddie" train, but I assure you that you don't want to lynch me. I don't really know what else to say, is there a case against me, or did someone just point their finger and everyone ran where they were pointing?

Eyyyyyy lmao your wife thinks you're bad.
Case and point.

Eyyyy good goin guys! Finally nabbed one.

Gonna look at LC tomorrow, yes sirreee

Sorsha wrote:
Matt wrote:Laaaaaaaame

Unless Sorsha flips bad
Good luck Matt, you can pull this off still

Oh man

ika wrote:Ok Lilith is mafia yesterday she said I was prob town and now I'm scum?
I would love to hear why she's not voting me and how her read changed so fast

Could be that you're voting her right now

Epignosis wrote:
Scotty wrote:
Epignosis wrote:I prefer a Long Con lynch to a Sorsha lynch myself, based on my reading. I will be around just before the deadline (and in the hour that comes before it).
Would you vote LC under the current insane circumstances?
By "insane circumstances," do you mean the insane lack of any consensus regarding the votes, or the insane LC?

Yes

Epignosis wrote:I prefer a Long Con lynch to a Sorsha lynch myself, based on my reading. I will be around just before the deadline (and in the hour that comes before it).

Would you vote LC under the current insane circumstances?

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