The Syndicate

Oof. Sorry Wilgy, I'll take the blame for that last day. I started to turn it around in the night phase against LC but I see it was a waste of time. Dunno why we had to sit through that night phase of a kill would have ended the game but whatever.

Good game baddies. And thanks to llama for the game.

Long Con wrote:
Scotty wrote:
Long Con wrote:Often, I will call my Civ reads as bad in the thread in order to protect them from nightkills.
Also this goes in direct contention with your day 3 rainbow list; where you had BWT and DFaraday painted as baddies and voted for BWT day 3 and DFaraday day 4.

So in other words, you're a liar, or at least a terrible friend.
I said "often", not "always". Can I be a terrible fiend?

What is this even in response to? Your position on everyone is still muddied, and it seems like you aren't defining anything on anyone.

Who is your number one Mafia read?

Long Con wrote:Often, I will call my Civ reads as bad in the thread in order to protect them from nightkills.

Also this goes in direct contention with your day 3 rainbow list; where you had BWT and DFaraday painted as baddies and voted for BWT day 3 and DFaraday day 4.

So in other words, you're a liar, or at least a terrible friend.

Long Con wrote:Often, I will call my Civ reads as bad in the thread in order to protect them from nightkills.

I would be nervous to hear what you call your Mafia reads in thread, because it certainly doesn't appear like you call them bad

From night 2:

Long Con wrote:I've been a baddie with Zebra before, and she absolutely loves the idea of teammate bussing.

This was in a wall post regarding Wilgy.

You must have forgotten that you were the 4th and last vote for zebra. At that point in day 2, the only other vote was Epi's SVS one.

This is your first interaction with zebra, day 2:

Long Con wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:Your patterns, I've told you this before. This is Star Wars Wilgy on full display.
How sure are you about this? Have you been right about Wilgy in the past?

This is like a lawyer asking direct questions to his own witness. "If you were a killer, which brand of knife would you use?"

Twenty minutes later:

Long Con wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
Long Con wrote:You both look bad right now to me.
Why is that?
This whole back-and-forth has reached the level of contrived.

And you vote zebra.

Day 3: you come out swinging with 4 major points against Wilgy that could categorize him as being zebra's busmate:

Spoiler: show

Long Con wrote:Ok Wilgy, here's some responses:

DrWilgy wrote:Also, what would've prompted said "bold moves" that statement doesn't make any sense. Since there's no cause. Cause and effect statements only work if there's a cause which you haven't presented.

If "with the numbers" or the set player number is the cause... Why then? Why would on day 2, I would go after my teammate instead of day 1? Why not wait till 3 if numbers is the reason? after being hardly vocal, and numbers have anything to do with that? Perhaps my thoughts were this "hey I know we just gained some advantage in our baddie to civ ratio, now is clearly the time to make a bold move and go after my teammate."

What you are saying and/or proposing makes no sense.

Tldr - What about the exchange was ludicrous, what prompted my bold moves if I'm bad, and what do the numbers have to do with my actions? Because right now it seems like you are saying things to say them.
You're taking a gut theory and trying to analyze it out of existence, if you understand what I mean. I don't have a Big Reason why it would happen on Day 2, and not Day 1 or Day 3. I've been a baddie with Zebra before, and she absolutely loves the idea of teammate bussing. In Coquelicot Mafia, on a baddie team with me, she actually was making moves that made it take slightly longer, and made it slightly harder, for us to win, because she wanted to stick with a bussing plan so badly. We still quite dominated that game, but won a day later than we could have because she didn't want to give it up. And it wasn't even for a big reason, it was just because she had started it and wanted to stay the course and have fun with it. We were cool with it (albeit with rolled eyes and some sidelong concerned glances) because our victorious outcome seemed pretty inevitable either way at that point.

I don't recall seeing you play this way before, Wilgy. You are so carefree and zany so much of the time, and since zebra's lynch, you have changed into a laser-focused player that I don't recognize. I don't know how to analyze that, can you point to a time when you have done it before? You seem like a completely different player.

You say that what I proposed made no sense with *reasons* why... hell, you have typed fifty times the words against it that I ever used to put it out there. It was how I felt at the time, at one point in your back-and-forth with her, it stopped feeling like a real conversation to me. That's all, I understand that you don't want me or anyone else to feel that way, you have given reasons why it "makes no sense"... but the zebra I know and the Wilgy I thought I knew don't always require that logical core, they are players who are willing to freewheel it and splash a little chaos in order to hopefully come out on top of it all. Unlike players such as Dom and Epi, who I view as wanting to keep tight control on their perspectives and posts at all times.

Lastly (on this point anyways), as a teammate, you would have had no idea that the zebra accusation would catch on as much as it did, but your back-and-forth ended up dominating a large part of Day 2, due to this being a quieter sort of game.

DrWilgy wrote:
S~V~S wrote:Quick question, LC & Sorsha, can I get opinions on each other? Not becasue I specifically suspect either of you, but becasue of recent history, I think it would be valuable.
Hmm... What recent history is this SVS?

Also, LC and SVS, could you two comment on each other? I'm intrigued as to what you two think of each other.

But then you take it all back after you sleep on it:

Long Con wrote:birdwithteeth11
DFaraday
Scotty
Metalmarsh89
Sorsha
Epignosis
S~V~S
DrWilgy
Serge
Long Con

This was really tough to do, and it's a bit of a hasty slap-chop. I still feel most comfortable with going by the missed kill evidence and lynching BWT. DF, Scotty, and Metalmarsh are vaguely interchangable, I think I trust them less than Sorsha-S~V~S-Epi. Wilgy, I haven't really entertained the notion that you and zeebs are teammates since your original reaction, I like you as a Civ right now. Serge too.

Day 4: you question Wilgy's stubbornness and say stuff like "I can't understand you", "I'm calling fake" and "you're acting strange".

Votes DFaraday because he is a "baddie bad bad"

So let's sum up your thought process this game concerning Wilgy-zebra
-Zebra who?
-Zebra, are you sure Wilgy is bad?
-Both Wilgy and zebra are bad. The exchange looks staged. Voting zebra.
-Zebra was bad, and so is Wilgy.
-Wilgy is bad, but BWT probably missed that night kill, so voting BWT. But Wilgy is still bad.
-Here's a huge post outlining reasons Wilgy is bad.
-Wilgy looks pretty civ to me.
-don't understand Wilgy. He's acting fake.
-DFARADAY IS BAD. Literally saves Wilgy after calling him bad all game, except for the one part where Wilgy is "the civviest civ on my rainbow list."

So far, I have no idea what stance LC is taking besides being a plastic bag in the wind.

Long Con wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:LC, explain your vote.

@Sriracha, because LC has had a roller coaster opinion on me. I've gone from bad to good to bad to good to bad. What ever gave LC the opinion that DF was bad bad bad?

Everyone who voted me today, I have been fighting tooth and nail this game. I had no way of telling what the results of DF's flip would be, only a guess. I explained this, and set up the wagon that shouldn't have worked. Please look at LC and compare his actions to how I've read them. If anything, read him as saving me yesterday, putting him on my team, meaning his lynch should be just as justifiable as mine.
Roller coaster?? After Serge died, you are the Civviest Civ on my rainbow list, Wilgy. Of course I voted to save you - YOU chose DF as the vehicle for that, not me.

Pardon my quick off-the-cuff vote post, I was at a friend's house and just barely remembered to come and vote before the deadline... I wasn't interested in making a big thing out of it, I just needed to get in there.

Scotty wrote:
Long Con wrote:Scotty, you may be right...
You are a pretzel. Without salt.
"Without salt"... that means "no hard feelings", right? I learned about salt over at Jesus Toast Mafia.

Those two sentences are separate viewpoints. Do you or do you not think Wilgy is bad, since you say I may be right?

This sentence is bullsuit. You placed the tieing vote for a lynch. That is, inherently, "making a big thing out of it".

Long Con wrote:Scotty, you may be right...

You are a pretzel. Without salt.

Sorsha wrote:I'm going to Chicago to gaze into the shimmery Cloud Gate and hope for another epiphany tomorrow. Only going for the one night... Just a f.y.i. for y'all

have fun!
Twould be a shame if we were to lynch you tomorrow without your consent...

DrWilgy wrote:LC, explain your vote.

@Sriracha, because LC has had a roller coaster opinion on me. I've gone from bad to good to bad to good to bad. What ever gave LC the opinion that DF was bad bad bad?

Everyone who voted me today, I have been fighting tooth and nail this game. I had no way of telling what the results of DF's flip would be, only a guess. I explained this, and set up the wagon that shouldn't have worked. Please look at LC and compare his actions to how I've read them. If anything, read him as saving me yesterday, putting him on my team, meaning his lynch should be just as justifiable as mine.

Wilgy, do you think I'm bad?

Wtf.

Long Con wrote:Voting DFaraday because he's baddie bad bad!

Wtf.

DrWilgy wrote:DFaraday, It's literally the only chance I have to catch a baddie here.

you pick one of the people that found you suspicious that had a good chance of becoming your counter wagon, and had no qualms about who it was.

Wilgy is bad.
I am sorely disappointed in every one of the DFaraday voters.
MM for willingly offering to start a counter wagon.
Sorsha for being generally disappointed at Wilgy, but not enough to pull the trigger apparently.
And long con, for....whatever reason he decided to tie the fucking vote.

I don't know guys. I thought Epi backed me up with a pretty good case, and I'm just surprised you 3 were sucked into his monologuing explanations.

I dun think Wilgy is back pedaling like he's driving the bus in speed.

Please if you can validate Zebra's lust to get caught when I was the only person who pointed out the suspicion of this post, do let me know.

You were the only one to catch that. This sentence right here is straight WIFOM because the only way we can truly validate it is lynching you.

voting Wilgy

DrWilgy wrote:Patternal coincidence really.

I don't believe that two players got me vs Zeebs 50% correct and happen to be on the same team.

BWT is a fine lynch idea, but I want more from him. BWT, what are your thoughts on Gleam vs Scotty now?

SVS as well... A fine lynch idea, but I want more from her. I feel like she's just been away this game and that's rather offsetting for me.

Your logic makes no sense, Wilgy, my dear peoplelicker.
I've already done the sky analogy with you, so let's try a political analogy.
Hypothetically let's say Llama thinks both Trump and Hillary would make a great candidate. Let's say MM thinks neither would make a great candidate.
One gets into office and makes a memorable presidency.

Can you believe that would happen? Because it sounds like your mind intrinsically doesn't allow opposite viewpoints to coexist.

I want to vote you, Wilgy, if just because you're so stubborn that LC and/or I is bad based on one illogical premise.

Also RIP serge. I think it was glaringly obvious who you were, and you were of no threat to me. I would have thought we could win together.

Fudge was I wrote about gleam. I'm sorry man.

I didn't perceive his wall post as authentic.

Wilgy, I would very much appreciate not voting for me today.
That BWT thinks I'm good is making me uncomfortable. I need a blanket and some warm milk.

Looking back through Zebra's posts, I just can't shake this one:

a2thezebra wrote:
Long Con wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
Long Con wrote:You both look bad right now to me.
Why is that?
This whole back-and-forth has reached the level of contrived.
So you're saying we're teammates? Okay.

She spends almost the entire day doing nothing but tunneling Wilgy, and then brings this up before she dies.

Reminds me of baddie Matt picking teammate Bullzeye and tunneling on him day 1 of LOST Again. This seems like something she brought up to further distance herself from Wilgy, if that was her plan all along.

I'm still going with the inactive theory today, but zebra seemed so sure Wilgy was bad. Wilgy could be civ and Zebra could have just chosen a civ for the sake of being argumentative.

I just went back and realized BWT indeed wasn't around since Night 1. I thought I read he posted last in night 2.

Hmm...he would fit the bill more as the most purely inactive.

Epi I see as a possibility, he isn't wrong in that he was active in the BSG thread during this time, so I would hardly call him inactive.

I'd be fine with either a BWT or gleam vote, if I hadn't already voted gleam out of the gate.

I'm sorry Wilgy, I missed your point before and I'm caught up now. I'll put a pause on suspecting you...for now.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Scotty wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Good morning everyone. So say we all!

How many tens of posts did I mist?
Lol I actually forgot you were playing this game. Any thoughts for what's happening here in ye olde times?
Since this is a simple game, I think the mafia simply forgot to send their kill in.

They could have tried for a gambit. There are 3 mafia left (presumably) and what 9 non-mafia? They could have opted to not kill with the assumption that Barry would kill one of their own. But Barry clearly failed (or forgot to kill, himself) which means that makes it less likely that mafia would do this.

And with as much death that can happen in this game, I don't see why mafia would want to draw it out intentionally. I like the idea of the missed kill better.

Thus, today I will vote for anyone who didn't post last night, or Scotty (because he forgot about me).

I'm going to build a residence around your natural habitat and inadvertently evict you, Marmot

BWT wrote:Scotty's vote for Day 2 looks to me like someone who didn't want to commit to the Wilgy-zebra thing though.

Correct:

Scotty wrote:I want to stay away from the Wilgy/zebra lick-a-thon for now. Im not seeing baddies out of either of them and instead of possibly getting two mislynchesmislynches, I'll stick to more glaring developments.

I agree with BWT's post.

Though BWT does fall into the same category of inactives, I feel his statements are more genuine.

What say you, other people that haven't commented today?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Good morning everyone. So say we all!

How many tens of posts did I mist?

Lol I actually forgot you were playing this game. Any thoughts for what's happening here in ye olde times?

Serge wrote:Scotty feels bad. It must be your profile picture.

DrWilgy wrote:"I don't recall seeing you play this way before, Wilgy. You are so carefree and zany so much of the time, and since zebra's lynch, you have changed into a laser-focused player that I don't recognize. I don't know how to analyze that, can you point to a time when you have done it before? You seem like a completely different player."

That's on purpose. I like your response and believe you.

I would like more BWT-ing if possible. The more time that passes without a post from him, the more inclined I am to vote for him. I don't think the possibility of the captains not submitting a nk for the mind games should be ignored, but if BWT doesn't toss me anything to catch here, we will have problems.

The fact that you continue to ignore gleam and push it against BWT for having similar tendencies is making me believe you are purposefully directing suspicion away from gleam. You already acknowledged that both were active night 2- though gleam was active only at the beginning of the night phase. I don't know about you, but as a baddie, I usually don't decide who to kill at the beginning of night.

I think that you and gleam are baddies.

How bout dem apples?

thellama73 wrote:
Scotty wrote: Hey @HOST!!
Is the one captain in charge of the kill required to be the one to supply it, or can his/her teammates speak on his behalf?
I decided to disallow group PMs this game.

DrWilgy wrote:Hell, I think I'd be willing to vote Gleam for calling my claim baseless.

On terms of a more rational vote. I could see BWT being bad and not submitting a kill. Players that weren't posting though the night include Epi and BWT. Barry and Baddie?

If BWT is bad, I'm pretty sure LC is as well... Maybe that thought will amke me vote there.

LC do please answer my questions when you can.

Yo Wilgy- you know who else was not active that phase? Agleaminranks. Why is that not "a rational vote" in relation to BWT and Epi?

agleaminranks wrote:I will attempt to do my best to summarize the game so far in an attempt to catch up.

Day 1: chaos to say the least. People are arguing and accusing each other of badness from silly roleplaying, semantic inanity, and invoking gambler's fallacy?? Jeebus. Regarding the topics at hand, I'm glad some people didn't seriously consider Epi's copypasta role indicative.
That being said, a few things of note then. Many people rush to Sorsha's side because of her history of being bad recently, someone invokes gambler's fallacy. Which is fine, but anyone with a flipping brain should see how the statistics of randomness work for these games. It's pointless to believe it one way or another.
Wilgy mentions that someone embracing the fallacy is more likely to be civ. I think this is an entirely baseless claim. He's just saying that anyone who sided with Sorsha and wanting to believe she is good should be considered civilian. For a dumb reason. I have no more reason to believe Sorsha's innocence than I have to believe she's a baddy, so that reveals nothing, other than Wilgy maybe is wanting to protect someone who took Sorsha's side. Probably more likely them than Sorsha herself. Possible teammate somewhere?
Epignosis is acting pretty in character, but he himself seems to add little to the conversation in terms of productivity. He makes one comment pointing out a quote Serge made but the rest is entirely responsive and, well, rather passive. He disappears for a while. It's still day 1, but my experience with Epignosis being civilian has him leading the charge in discussion. We'll see how this pans out further.
The whole "dragon" talk was just stupid. Serge probably made a passing word and LC saw it in a linki and just added it on. I don't think it means anything more than that. SVS was acting defensively and I see no problem with that, but I would feel a little suspicious of the people who try to inflate the issue, like they're grasping for straws to accuse someone of anything. Could be bad. Who knows.

(I will try to do a more thorough ISO on specific characters once I'm caught up)

Night 1: Not much. Sig gets the axe and flips civilian. Scotty says he was feeling sig being good in spite of opposition. Will need to look at the sig voters to see what that info reveals. Dunno about this early in the game, but sometimes people claiming to have a good read on a lynch that flips civ has to do with them being bad. Too early to tell.
Long Con gets into it with Rico. I think LC is grasping at straws trying to make accusations.
The fact that Barry's mom got lynched is a big tell. I think it will give me some ideas as to whom Barry is.
Wilgy had a theory that if sig was good, zebra was bad. Hrmm. I don't see the zebra connection. I will need to reanalyze their interactions on Day 1.
I dislike Long Con's tone, he's playing at this point with a fair amount of conviction when being spotlighted. Maybe I don't have that strength of character, but normally confidence represents something hidden.
Zebra feels like she's slipping a bit in her interactions with Rico and Scotty. I might have jumped on this bandwagon had I not slipped up bad.

Day 2: Rico is nightkilled. He seemed to be leading the discussion at this point and I would have felt pretty good about his alignment.
Zebra and Wilgy end up NO U'ing each other.
Both Sorsha and Epignosis show up after quite some time away. Dunno what to make of Sorsha, but at this point, Epignosis is still lying pretty low. Making big claims about SVS. I'm not sure how I feel about SVS at this point, but it feels like she's been playing a good defensive game up to this point. But I don't feel great about Epignosis.

Night 2: Zebra is lynched and flips bad. Wilgy takes credit for starting the wagon. No one gets nightkilled, looking at the inactives (myself) for a probable reason.

Now we're at day 3.

I have to run to an exam I haven't studied for, but I have two claims to make based on my analysis, which I will try to provide more evidence for when I get back.

Epignosis is a captain, and DrWilgy is Barry Lyndon. I will probably be voting Wilgy today.

Lol no dude. I don't agree with this at all, but will willingly listen to what you have to say when you provide this "evidence" when you get back.

agleaminranks wrote:Also, since I know I'm good, BWT is a captain too.

This could very well be possible too. Way to throw that in there to get the target off your back.

Gleam, what do you think about the reason for the lack of a NK last night?

S~V~S wrote:
Long Con wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
llamaman wrote:The second in my ambitious series of Kubrick themed mafias, based on my second favorite Kubrick film. This will be a straightforward game with no secrets and everything out in the open, only with an added Hierarchy mechanic. This being a story of people swept along by the whim of circumstance, the individual players are fairly limited in their night powers, but I do not think that will lessen the fun substantially.

Ah... ok then, and inactive failure? I see Scotty voted for gleam, is he the only inactive one?
Well, BWT for one.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:Sorry I've been gone. The last 2 days were crazy. Going to start catching up now.

Good call there too.

Hey @HOST!!
Is the one captain in charge of the kill required to be the one to supply it, or can his/her teammates speak on his behalf?

It just dawned on me that maybe the Mafia held off voting today to push for inactives, but I find it more unlikely. Civs already have a steep slope to climb as it is with 3 Mafia left in this small group. So it only makes sense to me that an inactive was responsible for that NK.

Plus, he still hasn't defended my vote yesterday. So there's that.

So....I still really want to vote agleaminranks.

And I just did. Guess who wasn't active this past phase?

DrWilgy wrote:@Scotty, so... Baddies lost a teammate and the person conversing with said teammate was me. Am I supposed to believe that the baddies team didn't chime in anywhere on me? It's also like I stated a odd pattern that two players gave 50% correct checks regarding both me and baddie.

Did 2 civs come up and portray this pattern? Not likely. A civ and a baddie? More likely. It's the same reason why I figured Sig and Zebra were on opposite teams. Similar patterns, but little connection.

First of all, I have no idea if LC is a civ, and I can't answer to that. Secondly, you seem so sure that we are diametrically opposed on the matter that I think your logic is a little skewed. There is no direct correlation between me and LC being bad based on each other's reads. It's just our reads. I'm not vouching for LC- he could very well be bad- but your line of thinking in getting to that conclusion doesn't make sense to me. Objectively.

If I called the sky green and LC called the sky red, who is right?

DrWilgy wrote:
Scotty wrote:Eyyyyyy GG Wilgy. I was wrong on my assumption on you both. Cool beans!
Cool Beans indeed!

Tomorrow it'll be you vs LC for the lynch! Good luck to the both of you! Maybe both of you are captains, maybe not... but at least 1! try your best to survive in the kill or be killed mafia event!

LC - Hesitant to vote, felt like he wanted to make other life choices when the bus picked him up. Interactions between the two felt weird, especially the "Hey you are both bad" when in truth Zebra drove this bus. As a dying baddie, Zebra would often tell her team to send her to her grave.

Long Con wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
Long Con wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
Long Con wrote:You both look bad right now to me.
Why is that?
This whole back-and-forth has reached the level of contrived.
So you're saying we're teammates? Okay.
That's the only possible meaning of "you both look bad", isn't it?
A tinfoil reading and interesting interaction. These two communicating as "not teammates" about other players being aligned with Zebra would make for quite the decorative bus.

a2thezebra wrote:That is a fake ass vote if I've ever seen one.
Not everything Zebra stated needed to be a lie.

"Wifom is best served in gallons." - Diiny

Scotty - This student wasn't very good at tests, because of this he would favor a "I'll take the 50% over 100% wrong" type mindset... If he were a student! Scotty seemed to light up at the idea of alternate wagons appearing. Being afraid to outright defend his teammate, Scotty decided it would be best to claim a civ as being clean as well as his teammate and take the 50% right!

Scotty wrote:5/12 missing votes and the poll ends in 10 minutes. Yeesh.

Makes me really wonder why we even bother with 48 hour periods.
A comment from a distressed captain, hoping that more wagons would've appeared through out the day. The amusing part of this comment, it was the lack of votes that lead to Zebra's fall!

"Booty booty booty booty rocking everywhere" - Mahatma Ghandi

I think the most interesting thing about this pair is that both took the 50% LC took it through the angle of us both being bad... Scotty took it through the angle of us both being good. Only one of the two is apparent to those who aren't me though...

FIND OUT WHAT HAPPENS NEXT TIME ON BARRY LYNDON MAFIA Z The Z stands for Llama

I didn't know Gandhi said that. You are a doctor, so it must be true.

I'll tell you what's not true- that I was setting up a counter wagon for my scum brethren.
Wilgy- would you honestly have liked me to pick you instead of zebra? Because you're suggesting it was either you or zebra, and I was saying I wanted to avoid both of you so that a mislynch didn't occur. I didn't think either of you were bad. But I can't change an opinion I wrote a day ago.

I still think gleam is bad, even though you are resigned to snuffing out the life of LC and me.

Eyyyyyy GG Wilgy. I was wrong on my assumption on you both. Cool beans!

5/12 missing votes and the poll ends in 10 minutes. Yeesh.

Makes me really wonder why we even bother with 48 hour periods.

Voting agleaminranks because it's getting close to the deadline and I find him the most suspicious out of the low posters.

I wouldn't be surprised if both Wilgy and zebra are just headstrong civs.

agleaminranks wrote:Oi, I messed up pree bad, yeah? Not me fault entoirely, the boss ended up keepin' me o'ertime for the night and I ended up missin' the pollin' time, eah. My sincerest apologies. Won' happen agin.

Will respond to the ISOs in proper order as soon as possible aye.

Oi fugot abut yoo, wit yo 4 posts. Ye tryin te skate bai?

Oi tink ye 'ave 'ad plenty o' time te give us uhnathin uv merit. Whai shud oi NOT vote ye?

Scotty wrote:Ok SVS, I reread sig's posts and I apologize for not catching that earlier.

S~V~S wrote:Note that I stopped suspecting LC when sig flipped.
But why this? I definitely missed this reasoning. What did dog flipping have to do with LC being good?

Dammit just ignore me. You already answered this and I somehow missed it.

I need to take a break from Mafia for a few hours

Ok SVS, I reread sig's posts and I apologize for not catching that earlier.

S~V~S wrote:Note that I stopped suspecting LC when sig flipped.

But why this? I definitely missed this reasoning. What did dog flipping have to do with LC being good?

S~V~S wrote:To be blunt since I kinda of lost interest a bit after trying to force people to see a point without being too obvious, looking at sigs last posts, and then at how sig flipped, I had a role in mind for Serge, and it was not a Captain. So not a fan of Serge suspicion.

And I don;t think affiliation matters much in a tie in such a small game. I mean, in turf wars we had two baddies tied, which was amazing, I have seen multiple variations.

I have to vote by about 1o'clock becasue I have the cemetary, Mothers Day & a movie with my Dad.

I'm not sure I understand. Looking at sig's last posts...you had a role in mind for Serge? What am I missing here?

It seemed like you were implying (and you even stated) that Serge had BTSC, which would be directly linked to LC, correct? So you think Serge is a good guy with BTSC? Or have you just gone 180 on your suspicion.

I guess in trying to say: I don't know who you suspect, and think that you are purposefully being vague

S~V~S wrote:Anyone who actually votes for me based on this should be ashamed.

I think the biggest thing for me is your lack of content in that post. Why even comment about the lack of voters if you yourself haven't voted?

Sorry I've been absent a while. Getting back on track.

I want to stay away from the Wilgy/zebra lick-a-thon for now. Im not seeing baddies out of either of them and instead of possibly getting two mislynchesmislynches, I'll stick to more glaring developments.

I think Epi is right RE: SVS. Why make a comment chiding others for not voting if you havent even voted yourself? Then she leaves! it's absolute fluff to let everyone know she's still here and can make mistakes like the rest of the working class, and I don't buy it. I think Epi may be on to something.

a2thezebra wrote:
Scotty wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
Long Con wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:Your meta's looking pretty bad right now Wilgy, to be honest.
What do you mean by this?
I mean that from what I know about Wilgy based on my experiences with him in other games, this feels way more like his baddie game than his civ game. I'm just being honest.
Just like you felt confident sig was bad based on knowledge of his meta?
Shhhhhh we don't talk about things I'm responsible for.

Yes ma'am.

Btw I saw you at the Nasville zoo last week. You seemed so innocent back then.

a2thezebra wrote:
Long Con wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:Your meta's looking pretty bad right now Wilgy, to be honest.
What do you mean by this?
I mean that from what I know about Wilgy based on my experiences with him in other games, this feels way more like his baddie game than his civ game. I'm just being honest.

Just like you felt confident sig was bad based on knowledge of his meta?

S~V~S wrote:
Serge wrote:LC and I have no BTS. We posted within seconds of each other. I was actually surprised he also came up with the Game of Thrones reference.

Actually it was about a minute. But looking at them like this, you gotta say it was weird.

Yes it do

Rip sig!

Will regroup with the vote tomorrow. I'm not convinced Serge is bad, based on his recent comments. LC I have a gut read as bad, that hopefully I can develope as sure as time goes forward.

DrWilgy wrote:
Serge wrote:*ominous sound*
*Licks Serge as he makes the ominous sound*

Wtf

sig wrote:I don't think Serge would be a good lynch choice today, I think we should lynch Zebra for her purposeful misconstruction of the events regarding my vote and her attempt to bandwagon me based on not just weak but, also faulty and obvious incorrect logic.

Ok. Let me just-

Ohhhhh shuck! Serge won't give me my vote back. Guess he's keeping it today

Voted Serge. I may not remember to be back later and he's my strongest suspicion right now, and I don't see that changing for day 1. Hoping he's bad.

I'm feelin good vibes from sig this game, y'all!
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Long Con wrote:
S~V~S wrote:
Long Con wrote:
S~V~S wrote:Why were you taunting me?
Just to see how you would react, and to get some discussion going.
And what did it tell you?
Well, the reactions are still ongoing, though I do admit that adding the dragon part has soured it a bit, because it made the focus be on that.

And actually, I find this to be much more believable than the linki business. You would have had a hanging quote with no meaning had you NOT "added" that sentence.
That doesn't make sense, calling it "much more believable than the linki business". I would not have had a hanging quote with no meaning, I would have had " Getting nervous, S~V~S?" all by itself. Then I saw a similar sentiment in Serge's post, and riffed off that as a nod to the similar sentiment.

Has anyone ever referred to you as a dragon before this time? "Unleash the dragon" is a phrase that works on its own, meaning-wise. Consider if I had said my post without Serge's before it. Don't you think it's kind of awkward and weird on its own? "Is the dragon coming out?" Why would I say that, like that, if Serge hadn't coined the "unleash the dragon" part? It's not like you have been called a dragon before - without Serge's post before mine, my dragon part would be sort of confusing. Like, an appropriate answer would be "What do you mean, 'is the dragon coming out?' ?? "

Scotty wrote:You had a "slip" about knowing Daisy's role in Downton Abbey that sig harped on for some time- this turned out to be a misunderstanding and was not a slip at all.
But the way you explained this one makes it seem like you rushed your coincidental "dragon" which I am much less inclined to believe, considering it wasn't included with a linki. It's like you ordered an omelette and half way through the chef making your omelette, he realized he forgot the egg, so he throws in an egg- shell and all- into the pan, so you end up with some ghetto-ass egg monster on your plate.

It's unlikely is all I'm sayin
I didn't think it needed a linki tag, considering it was after the post that Serge made. I thought you would just read it as it was, chronologically with Serge's, and just "get it". I don't know why you would call it a "coincidental" dragon, because it was not coincidence at all, it was me reading Serge's post in linkitis, and adding a sentence to my post as a nod to his post. If you think that's what coincidence is, then you need to rethink your understanding of the word. "Rushed" is mildly acceptable. I did just jam it in there after writing my complete post.

Fair enough. I don't want to go down word semantics highway again, since actually I find that it is far more often that civs say things that can be taken out of context far more often than scum.

What do you think of Serge?

I was comparing Serge's surge (heh) in this game to that of Turf Wars, in which he was bad (and subsequently replaced) and he seems slightly more eager and jokey this go round, but has similar block posts as he did in that game. I can't tell if he is an overeager civ or Mafia member.

Long Con wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Long Con wrote:
S~V~S wrote:I guess i just found it interesting to be referred to with a dragon metaphor by two different people within a few minutes

I thought I might have been missing a film related link to dragons.
Or, I saw his post in linki, and added a sentence to my own?

Long Con wrote:
Serge wrote: I believe Barry Lyndon should come out now and help us get rid of the captains. Come out Barry. We have fancy cakes and teas and potatoes and stuff all Victorian people like. Plus, monoliths. Here, Barry, Barry, we promise we don't have an axe somewhere.
That's not possible, there is a specific rule against role-outing and such things.

S~V~S wrote:OK, if you say so. I don't think you can, but shoot. Put it out there.

Getting nervous, S~V~S? Is the dragon coming out?

That false-ending poll made some cool stuff happen, made Epi and sig reveal their hands early.

Do either of you expect to be casting your vote at your chosen targets by tomorrow's deadline?
The first part is a response to Serge.

The third part is a general comment about sig and me.

That middle part is calling S~V~S a dragon within a minute of Serge doing so. You would have us believe

You claim you saw Serge's post when you tried to post, and that you added a sentence. You weren't saying anything else to S~V~S but "Getting nervous, S~V~S?" and you felt the need to go out of your way to add the dragon comment in between two unrelated thoughts? I don't buy your explanation.
Well, yes. I was taunting S~V~S, and then I saw his post with the dragon in linki, and then I thought of deleting it altogether because he kind of beat me to the punch, and then I added the dragon part as a nod to his post in a quick way.

You had a "slip" about knowing Daisy's role in Downton Abbey that sig harped on for some time- this turned out to be a misunderstanding and was not a slip at all.
But the way you explained this one makes it seem like you rushed your coincidental "dragon" which I am much less inclined to believe, considering it wasn't included with a linki. It's like you ordered an omelette and half way through the chef making your omelette, he realized he forgot the egg, so he throws in an egg- shell and all- into the pan, so you end up with some ghetto-ass egg monster on your plate.

It's unlikely is all I'm sayin

Serge wrote:
Scotty wrote:Where be serge? He'll most likely be getting my vote if he doesn't talk this phase.
Explain yourself, lad

Ok.
If you hadn't posted, I would've voted you out of principle.

Serge wrote:Now I know why they said that game was moving too fast.

Right now I'll vote for any leading bandwagon since it's day 1 and nobody can't stop me. Unless bandwagon forms around me, which will be quite unfortunate.

What is this hogwash? You'll just vote for whatever's happenin because whatever man? Are you a Yankees fan, by chance?

a2thezebra wrote:
sig wrote: Zebra was first that means she is mafia and excited to play lets lynch her. :P
Can't argue with that.

a2thezebra

I see you forgot to vote in the poll. I'm just your friendly neighborhood utility man reminding you to do so!

Where be serge? He'll most likely be getting my vote if he doesn't talk this phase.

Epignosis wrote:
S~V~S wrote:I want content from anyone. You are here, so not aimed at you. Let's go drag people into the thread.
I'd lynch a low poster. I'm rather indifferent right now.

Eyyyy.

@SVS what content is there to be contented?

Day 1's gonna day 1

Lol Epi gonna Epi.

Long Con wrote:Top o' the morning to ye all!

This sounds like a captain tryin to fit in with the peasants, don't it?

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