The Syndicate

Sloonei wrote:That was a damn good town win.

That was a damn good win, and if speedchuck won I wouldn't even be mad. He played a hell of game.
Yay civs!!!

Scotty wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:What in the world?!?!

So I have only skimmed briefly and seen the big explosion. What should I do with my vote?

play carpenter and being down the hammer on Long Con

EBWOP: "bring" down

MovingPictures07 wrote:What in the world?!?!

So I have only skimmed briefly and seen the big explosion. What should I do with my vote?

play carpenter and being down the hammer on Long Con

OH YEEEEAHHHHHHH [insert Cool-aid Man here]

Let's getterdun
Vote Long Con

Sorry about my absence.

I hate to be a copycat, but I wrote out my own reads in almost the exact order as juliets.

I think that if Golden isn't bad, then Quin is the next in line, mostly because I'm still not getting the conflicting arguments. I initially felt like Quin was telling the truth and he could very well still be but I'm quite unsure.

I still feel solid about everyone that voted for Soneji yesterday.

My 4th from the bottom, should neither Golden or Quin be bad, is Fredwood. That Soneji used him as a whipping boy doesn't mean he's toe the either. If Golden is good as he claims, then Soneji already gave Golden vest to apparently frame him (I see no other reason why), and so it's not far fetched to believe Soneji was in on a vote for fredwood.

Also, wasn't there some talk way back when with Marmot busdriving JJJ and Fred early on? Made me suspicious of one of them, but then I don't remember what happened there.

Gotta do a show, will be back to vote and hopefully talk more later on.

Quin wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

Marmot wrote:I just wanted Post #4000.

Bye.

Why are there 4000 posts this game? Who is responsible for this?

sorry

You're only 27 posts away from usurping the King of Fuck Mountain.

How does that Nike commercial go again? "Buy shoes!" Or something to that effect

Hey JJJ, are we mainly not lynching LC today because he' said probably an even night role and we can save him for the lynch tomorrow? Otherwise he's all but plastered a bullseye on his stomach. And I want to be perfectly sure with Golden.

What does the protecting vest give you? Exclusively immunity to a gun shot? Lynch immunity? Or do you not know?

Why do you think Soneji would give you that if you were town?

What doesn't make sense in this equation is if you are bad, why say that you received an item on night 2 at all? If Soneji were to get lynched, we would automatically point fingers at you.

Golden wrote:Vote golden

I agree it's for the best.

If you're town, then give us reads as a legacy. Don't throw a pity parade.

Golden wrote:

Scotty wrote:That being said, should we follow Golden's directions if we think him bad?

Because I've let you all down before? The only time you went wrong is when you didn't follow my directions.

Golden, who's bad?

I will also be voting Golden today, but will keep discussion open until we get close enough to EoD to hammer.

That being said, should we follow Golden's directions if we think him bad?

Oh, and LC has all but confessed. So..could it be this easy?

LongCon wrote:

Quin wrote:

Long Con wrote:I'm sorry, did you get that gun from an item vote, Sloonei? My mistake.

Yuck.

You're yuck.

juliets wrote:Also Quin thanks for explaining the stump in more detail. I don't know where Scotty played before (Scotty where have you played before?) but I have never heard of this role coming up on the syndicate. Is it a role that comes up a lot elsewhere? I tend to read Scotty as light civ at the moment.

I just saw this.
I started on Jesus Toast Mafia before migrating here due to stagnation. I've never heard of a stump either. I looked it up and it says that it commonly has an opposing wood cutter mechanism from the baddies that could eliminate me once I activated, so that, coupled with my lack of supatown presence, has kept me on edge.

Also I lied. I never was role blocked on night 2 (or maybe I was, I just didn't do anything). I merely didn't want to activate until i haaaad to and didn't feel like claiming fully yet. I also lied in that I forgot to activate on night 3. I don't forget night actions. I just don't want to activate if I can help it because it's counterproductive.

juliets wrote:

Scotty wrote:

juliets wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:Also, can we move past the who did what on what night? Golden is being a bit dense about taking in information. And everyone is confused about something they don't even need to care about.

I'm sorry if it's annoying. I don't understand it and until I do I have to ask questions. It's the only way I know how to play mafia.

Since we're still on that track, where do you currently stand on the Quin claim? (I know Quin doesn't want this brought up again, but its as muddy as a an ogre swamp in here) are you saying you have information that conflicts definitely, or that you think conflicts probably?

I think it conflicts probably. If I knew more about character set-up of closed games I might be able to say conflicts definitely.

I still know nothing, but that's ok- I'm in a good place.

I just saw A Dogs Purpose last night and now I'm crying like a bitch. For the 12th time since.

juliets wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:Also, can we move past the who did what on what night? Golden is being a bit dense about taking in information. And everyone is confused about something they don't even need to care about.

I'm sorry if it's annoying. I don't understand it and until I do I have to ask questions. It's the only way I know how to play mafia.

Since we're still on that track, where do you currently stand on the Quin claim? (I know Quin doesn't want this brought up again, but its as muddy as a an ogre swamp in here) are you saying you have information that conflicts definitely, or that you think conflicts probably?

Dyslexicon wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:Also, can we move past the who did what on what night? Golden is being a bit dense about taking in information. And everyone is confused about something they don't even need to care about.

Move past it? I think it's integral to solving the game. Golden being dense does not a townie golden make, IMO.

What do you think of Golden, and how he's handled the game of late, Dys?

I don't think a dense Golden makes a townie Golden at all. He's nullish to me, and I don't think he having the map and no useful watcher-result is a good look for him. I'm also not entirely caught up.

Ah ok.

Would love to hear your opinion once you are!

Dyslexicon wrote:Also, can we move past the who did what on what night? Golden is being a bit dense about taking in information. And everyone is confused about something they don't even need to care about.

Move past it? I think it's integral to solving the game. Golden being dense does not a townie golden make, IMO.

What do you think of Golden, and how he's handled the game of late, Dys?

Ah. And votes are not changeable in this poll I just found out.
So..maybe don't just pick a direction like I just did

Golden wrote:I do have the vest.

I've been played like a fiddle. I know I have to be lynched after lc, I can't be at lylp at this point. It sucks.

But I do think we are on solid track to win this despite me, so go town!

So you say you've been set up? That Mafia spent a night phase- Soneji's only real night phase to use his power- to give you a protective vest, and you're good? That's like taking antibiotics for bronchitis when I sprain my knee. What a 'Long Con' that would be.

Also, what do you think of the other suspects? You obviously think LC should be lynched before you, even though you ended with a vote for Quin yesterday. Where's your head at, G? Obviously not with town.

I'm definitely probably most likely voting you today

Fred wood, I see you lurking,

Why didn't you vote yesterday?

Who would you have voted?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:You're town though, so I think we can POE this thing pretty well.

What is your opinion of Golden's item claim on night 2, and what makes him look town? Because I can't think of a whole lot

But see, if one of the duplicate roles is lynched, that spells bad for the other claimer either way you look at it.

Linki: oh

If Golden is bad, what are the odds he is directing us, via map, to locations that may benefit Mafia?

I'm less sure about what is going on with the juliets/Quin dynamic, and if they're both claiming the same role....

Ohhhhhh

What if

Sprityo didn't want us to claim because there are the same roles, but on either team?

Like...Quin is the doctor for the mafia and LC is the gunsmith for the town. And they're both on the nights they say they are..

Also RIP Sloonei. You doin gods work.

I'm feeling better about juliets, and basically everyone on the Soneji wagon.

And what is that item that Golden said he received on night 2? Was fucking Santa clause let out of his cage that night?

My immediate thought was the protective vest.

But...why would Soneji give a town Golden a protective vest?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Thing to discuss:

Long Con's role claim is Soneji's role.

Yes.

Wtf is that about.

Also if there is an "even-night smith", there's probably to be assumed an odd night smith, right? But LC definitely said he gave Sloonei a gun on night 2, so...

How likely is it there's a town mirror that is also an even night smith?

Long Con wrote:Whoa, hey! Don't lynch me!

What did you claim today again?

If LC is lynched and comes back bad, this probably doesn't look great for me.

Linki @JJJ: shoulda shot Soneji and decided whether or not lynch Quin/Jack. Can't do anything about that Joe, but I know I didn't learn anything from jack being good

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Not a single player has opposed a Soneji lynch at any juncture of this day other than Soneji himself, while we're worrying about the development of wagons.

Soneji is the easiest target to bus because he's been so absent. I don't think that his wagon being easy is a bad sign.

LC being so thrown about by everyone at the end here reeks. The only real person I see opposing it is speed. I'm only partially opposing it, (calling kettle black) but ya know I don't know shit

speedchuck wrote:Would prefer Soneji lynch to Long Con lynch. Happy where I am. You guys can get the three votes to lynch LC without me.

I don't like how quickly the LC lynch is building at all, but...
I have homework to do right this second. I'll keep up, if dire questions must be asked.

By all means, do join me on Soneji in the next hour and have a beer with me, though. It's a much more fun lynch than Long Con.

So I'm not defending Long Con here but I want to point out that if LC is lynched and comes up bad, this is the same fucking post you made defending Mm when he got lynched.

juliets wrote:I'm going to

UNVOTE

VOTE Long Con

This is why I think we should stay on soneji.

I don't trust juliets right now

We're awfully close to someone trying a sneak hammer

Dyslexicon wrote:People on the Soneji wagon looks better to me. *unsure*

Doesn't mean we know what the fuxk's going on.

I just ate an apple midshow and now I'm bloated.

So....

Just to clarify for people-

I havent felt the need to activate yet because of my time constraints. If I activate and it's me, 2 other civs and 2 mafia left, town loses.


Oh, and I'm tempted to believe Mp on his claim. Welcome Mp!

I feel like Golden could very well be bad too, but I'm voting for Soneji because I think his popping in right before Sloonei said he was about to pull the trigger is a ponderface.

Still not feeling great about juliets yet either

Lynch Soneji

I'll try and Check again when I have downtime in act 2

Hey all, sorry once again, I've been off the grid.

I'm like 4 pages behind. I just got to the part where Sloonei shot Jack. That's a real bummer at the result.

I'm gonna have to put in a vote and scram before EoD. Show starts in 5. Where we at in votals? I'd be down with a Soneji lynch.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Scotty wrote:My role? I'm a fucking stump.

As in the kind that has no vote or night actions?

If I activate.

Which is why I haven't activated. Because if I don't talk then I'm literally a loss to the civs, because I'd essentially be dead.

So as of now I'm a vanilla. Or I could be a Furby that wakes you up at 3am with ghostly tremors

Wtf is going on. You people talk too much.

Are we all claiming? Is that what's going on? Sloonei's got a gun and he's trained it against either me or LC now eh? I still want to believe Quin is the good one and jack is the bad one in all of this, and apparently Justin like yesterday, you guys seem to keep talking yourself out of it.

I can claim too- I don't really give a shit anymore, because I've been far too inactive to utilize it my full potential and may be running out of opportunities in this clusterfuck with all these more powerful claims.

My role? I'm a fucking stump.

With all the w/w shiitake that Jack did on Day 1, I pose this exercise for him:

Jack, who do you think would be the most likely and unlikely pairing of w/w IF you were in fact wolf.

Do it as an impartial observer looking in, since you did that so wel on Day 1

speedchuck wrote:These scales of 1 to 6... is a 6 scum or town?

6=pondscum

I'm feeling better and better about speedchuck.
Which means my big red suspicions are getting slimmer. I probably need to reasses and get more suspicions.

I suppose I'll look at Straw, Fred and Soneji, since they are a big ?? For me.

Juliets, you seem a bit more reserved this game, actually, than the recent ones I remember. I was chocking that up to you trying to catch up, but I'd love some more reads at some point from you before I feel good about you. On a scale of 1-6 I'd rate you a 4. Or just a bit less than null.

juliets wrote:

Scotty wrote:

juliets wrote:

Scotty wrote:Ima not be talking a lot this phase again unfortunately, since I have a long couple of days ahead of me.

I also didn't do shit last night for my role because I forgot to come in and activate in time. Sorry to disappoint, Sloon.

Scotty, the fact that you forgot to come in and activate in time makes me a little nervous.

Why

Because it was such a big deal yesterday, you proving yourself, and I don't see how you would forget. I don't work though so maybe I am projecting my ability to remember things I need to do in mafia onto you. That's why I say a "little" nervous.

Ah yea, then I guess it's a misunderstanding. I was only around for a hot seconf all of yesterday and in doing so I used it to catch up on what I missed from EoD. I didn't get around to activating because I forgot to do so in my 20 min catch up.

That it makes you "nervous" is still a weird phrasing. Nervous about whether or not I'm good, I guess?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

Scotty wrote:Hey all.

Missed the last 16 hours or so. Not supposed to be reading...this is my lone exception since I'm in the middle of a game. But try getting off social media and news sources for 24 hours sometime. It's hard, but freeing.

Rip Nutella! Thanks for your fabulous insight!

Dat EoD tho. I understand why INH admitting he was a LMS role got him lynched, but I still think Jack is bad. Nothing he has done so far has changed my opinion since yesterday.

I think regardless of how he defended himself at EoD, he still doesn't look great from day 2, or his muddled rainbows early on.

Quin claimed odd day doctor? Ok. Good enough for me.
Jack's immediate response is to say Quin's lying, but also says he won't claim doctor and that he'll claim at some point if he needs to, but the time isn't right.

Man, I must not know how to play these infodump games, because y'all be claimin early and often like a meteor's about to hit tomorrow.

I'm looking to vote Jack again, but want to know the votals to make sure we don't go over the hammer.

Can you explain this logic, Scotty?

Sure.

I think Quin is telling the truth, so I have no reason to dispute it.



Why do you think he is lying?

Quin: I am doctor
Scotty: Good enough for me (I translate this to "This claim makes me trust Quin MORE than before. Please clarify if this is not the case.)
JoH: Why?
Scotty: Because. Why not?

Answer the question and I'll answer yours.

I answered your question. I don't think I'm being vague. I haven't felt suspicious of Quin for a while now. So it's not even that I necessarily trust me MORE than before. I'm just taking his infodump as just that.

Now. Why do you have a reason to say he's a liar without being a doctor yourself?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

Scotty wrote:Hey all.

Missed the last 16 hours or so. Not supposed to be reading...this is my lone exception since I'm in the middle of a game. But try getting off social media and news sources for 24 hours sometime. It's hard, but freeing.

Rip Nutella! Thanks for your fabulous insight!

Dat EoD tho. I understand why INH admitting he was a LMS role got him lynched, but I still think Jack is bad. Nothing he has done so far has changed my opinion since yesterday.

I think regardless of how he defended himself at EoD, he still doesn't look great from day 2, or his muddled rainbows early on.

Quin claimed odd day doctor? Ok. Good enough for me.
Jack's immediate response is to say Quin's lying, but also says he won't claim doctor and that he'll claim at some point if he needs to, but the time isn't right.

Man, I must not know how to play these infodump games, because y'all be claimin early and often like a meteor's about to hit tomorrow.

I'm looking to vote Jack again, but want to know the votals to make sure we don't go over the hammer.

Can you explain this logic, Scotty?

Sure.

I think Quin is telling the truth, so I have no reason to dispute it.



Why do you think he is lying?

Voted southeast. I haveno idea where we are, or where we've been.

It's that early onset dimentia kickin in again

juliets wrote:

Scotty wrote:Ima not be talking a lot this phase again unfortunately, since I have a long couple of days ahead of me.

I also didn't do shit last night for my role because I forgot to come in and activate in time. Sorry to disappoint, Sloon.

Scotty, the fact that you forgot to come in and activate in time makes me a little nervous.

Why

Fredwood wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

Fredwood wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:INH was self-aligned, and his interests were purely his own. It wasn't the best lynch, it wasn't the worst lynch. Most importantly, in the eyes of the Hive team, he was not one of theirs. In that vein it can be treated as a mislynch, particularly during the day prior to INH revealing himself as an LMS independent role. The votes that preceded that claim:

Golden
speedchuck
JOH
Fredwood

I would appreciate if the four of you would at least briefly state or restate what motivated your INH votes when you placed them.

Dizzy and Quin voted for INH after his claim. It is more difficult to ascertain ulterior motives there as INH provided an obvious motive. I will still each of you though: what made you feel that the vote was still worth making?

He was one of 3 targets I was comfortable lynching. I still would not have voted for Jack at the end of the phase, and of my suspects he was the only one that was reasonably being pressured.

I wasn't 100 percent sure he was Mafia, but I felt the chances he was town was much slimmer. If he came on sooner and explained his theory, I don't know if I change my vote because his logic didn't make sense. He loses the game if Dys get's lynched, so there was still plenty of things that were red-flagging me about his claim that I don't know if I would have given him the leeway to get away with it.

Who were your other two suspects?

I believe you have the most experience playong with JOH of any of us, so I should probably pay attention to your opposition to his lynch. Why do you see him as a bad lynch candidate?

Scotty, Soneji

My unwillingness to vote for Jack has nothing to do with my experience in playing with him. I didn't view him as large a suspect as the other two, and my suspicion of him is based around my feeling that one of the 3 of them (JJJ/Golden/Jack) are scum, but it's not founded by evidence but assumptions based on the aggressiveness they all showed each other in Day 1, so I didn't feel it was a strong case to lynch, and wasn't willing to vote for him because of it. The only reason I kept bringing it up is because Jack keeps pushing me to read everyone.

In the end, I didn't want to take a gamble on the slim chance that a good scumhunter was scum over the slim chance that INH was town.

Wait, you currently suspect one of JJJ/Golden/Jack is scum?

JJJ is confirmed town

Ima not be talking a lot this phase again unfortunately, since I have a long couple of days ahead of me.

I also didn't do shit last night for my role because I forgot to come in and activate in time. Sorry to disappoint, Sloon.

Hey all.

Missed the last 16 hours or so. Not supposed to be reading...this is my lone exception since I'm in the middle of a game. But try getting off social media and news sources for 24 hours sometime. It's hard, but freeing.

Rip Nutella! Thanks for your fabulous insight!

Dat EoD tho. I understand why INH admitting he was a LMS role got him lynched, but I still think Jack is bad. Nothing he has done so far has changed my opinion since yesterday.

I think regardless of how he defended himself at EoD, he still doesn't look great from day 2, or his muddled rainbows early on.

Quin claimed odd day doctor? Ok. Good enough for me.
Jack's immediate response is to say Quin's lying, but also says he won't claim doctor and that he'll claim at some point if he needs to, but the time isn't right.

Man, I must not know how to play these infodump games, because y'all be claimin early and often like a meteor's about to hit tomorrow.

I'm looking to vote Jack again, but want to know the votals to make sure we don't go over the hammer.

Sloonei wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Sloonei wrote:I have no idea where these similes come from. Have you been leaving pomegranates in the sun? It's winter and you're in Canada.

Nah it's basically summer here. Or so I'm told. It was 0 degrees here last week-

I'm looking at these fucking ten foot snow drifts and the locals are like, "yea, I've lived here for 30 years and don't even know what the ground looks like anymore."

Why live here? I don't get it.

I am currently trying to move there.

vote: sloonei

Sloonei wrote:I have no idea where these similes come from. Have you been leaving pomegranates in the sun? It's winter and you're in Canada.

Nah it's basically summer here. Or so I'm told. It was 0 degrees here last week-

I'm looking at these fucking ten foot snow drifts and the locals are like, "yea, I've lived here for 30 years and don't even know what the ground looks like anymore."

Why live here? I don't get it.