The Syndicate

Scotty wrote:Epi, thanks for the game btw.

I'm frustrated that my treasure was a dud. Is that one that TH made up?
I was told Lu's Mirror would deflect a kill attempt on me back on the attacker, but apparently I just found out it deflected it onto one of my teammates. I guess Mac tried to kill me and Elo died instead.

And hey Mac: i don't like being silenced, so you definitely got my number there. glad to know you don't fear me and just enjoy watching me squirm in a gag ball though. At least in my BTSC I was silenced. Right Epi?

Glorf, I enjoyed your civ game this go round. I figured you were civ and appreciated your contributions.
Dom, I was wrong about you.
The only reason I figured TH was bad was because of gut based on my perceived ability of NK reflection. Which turned out to be a shit treasure indeed.

Dat Wilgy/MM/INH WIFOM game was quite helpful in sniffing them out tho

LoRab wrote:Good game. Thanks, Epi!!!

Glad to see a civ win, even if not my faction.

Sorry I was so out of things due to real life (and not realizing the game had started). And being repeatedly silenced.

Also, WTF with Scotty saying he was silenced the same time I was if he wasn't bad? Was there another silencer that I'm missing?

Zuo Ci wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Zuo Ci wrote:

Scotty wrote:As for leetic being the best candidate to duel and possibly being our last foe: that's exactly what I'm saying. Having Bass, who has won two battles already, fight as some sort of damned champion, seems like a very good idea, no?

It does not. To win two duels does not equate to winning three duels. Leetic may remain my only true suspect, but I would pit him against those who are plausible enough alternative foes.

I've already answered this, and don't feel like we're seeing eye to eye on this.

Do you have info on Bass that you would like to share with the class? Because his veiled threats that his death will do damage to the town are resoundingly hollow to my ears right now.

You ask me an impossible question.

Just know that I believe the clever fish. Are the words of this spirit resoundingly hollow to your ears right now?

Zuo Ci wrote:

Scotty wrote:As for leetic being the best candidate to duel and possibly being our last foe: that's exactly what I'm saying. Having Bass, who has won two battles already, fight as some sort of damned champion, seems like a very good idea, no?

It does not. To win two duels does not equate to winning three duels. Leetic may remain my only true suspect, but I would pit him against those who are plausible enough alternative foes.

indiglo wrote:

Quin wrote:I've felt alright about Boomslang throughout. Never my top civ read, but a consistent civ lean. I did come to that evaluation quite a while back and he hasn't had the biggest presence since, though. Why is he orange in your rainbow list?

I put him there because I don't have any feel for him. And I kinda distrust that. I figured if we're talking about people we got no read on, I'd throw his name out and see if any of you had a feeling on him.


Also, the more I think about DF, there have been moments when he's done some type of analyzing, but all of it was pretty much incorrect, and (no offense buddy) but pretty obviously incorrect, even for someone who just entered the game when it was more than half-way over. So on the one hand, I felt like - oh good, he's trying to help! But on the other I felt like - um, yeah, no. Like it was an attempt to appear to be analyzing, when it really accomplished nothing. (Again, sorry buddy!)

I'm still torn between DF and Dom as secondary candidates for Nanman. They're both just sneaking by.

And yo, DF, this isn't an attack on your inactivity- since I know you don't appreciate that being a legitimate suspicion, but this game, the best adjective I can use to describe you is "blendy". I've mentioned this before, but either it's a scumtell or a civ tactic to last longer into the game. I just can't tell which. Either way, I can't remember the contributions you've made towards actual scum hunting. I just can't remember. I'm like Dory. (I'm blue)

indiglo wrote:What are your general thoughts on Boomslang, also?

Quin wrote:

Scotty wrote:Question:

How do we feel about DF as a candidate for SK?

I have been completely and utterly neutral about him this entire game.

indiglo wrote:And here's part of my dilemma also. I really don't want the vote to be close enough that 1 of the suspects can come swooping in here and make the deciding vote. I don't like that idea at all, especially when we're down to this few warm bodies.

I know Mata has mentioned (and voted for) ninja/bloop previously, and feels iffy about her. I'd love to hear from Mata about that.

Also, ninja/bloop did a weird vote yesterday herself, so I'd like to hear from her about that.




Scotty, remember only warriors can be recruited. Does that help you?

Quin wrote:

indiglo wrote:Ok, so here's where I'm at. I don't want to vote Bass simply because of his past prowess at dueling, no. I have Bass down as 1 of these 2 Indies: The SK or the dude that recruits.

Yuan Shao
Strategist
Military strategist and commander.
Each Night, Yuan Shao will attempt to recruit a warrior (anyone with BTSC cannot be recruited). He may recruit up to three warriors (one from each kingdom). *Secrets*


So, my theory was to wait and see who, if anyone seemed to stand up for Bass when I declared my stance on him (as him being 1 of these 2 roles). I figured if there was much of a ruckus kicked up, it would likely be from his recruited warriors, which would then identify Bass as the Yuan Shao Indy. So that's why I was formulating a theory that perhaps Zou Ci was some how roped in with the recruiting Indy, and perhaps Quin, after standing up for Bass so vociferously.

To be clear, I have no problem with Yuan Shao or his recruits, I was simply using that as a basis for my theory of identifying which of those 2 roles Bass has. Ya dig?

The Serial Killer is most definitely still alive, because s/he has not lost a duel, and CANNOT be NKed. So no, Leetic is NOT our final foe, spirit dude. The SK is still out there FOR SURE, though we can hope s/he is inactive at best.



It's time for complete transparency, and this is where I'm at.

Linki, but I am posting and THEN reading. Like I do.

naw, I think it's obvious at this point that I haven't been recruited.

Quin wrote:I don't want Bass votes to be motivated by the hope that he'll win. I want to see Bass votes motivated by suspicion. We're not so many in number anymore so it's becoming more unfeasible to take risks like that.

indiglo wrote:Ok, so here's where I'm at. I don't want to vote Bass simply because of his past prowess at dueling, no. I have Bass down as 1 of these 2 Indies: The SK or the dude that recruits.

Yuan Shao
Strategist
Military strategist and commander.
Each Night, Yuan Shao will attempt to recruit a warrior (anyone with BTSC cannot be recruited). He may recruit up to three warriors (one from each kingdom). *Secrets*


So, my theory was to wait and see who, if anyone seemed to stand up for Bass when I declared my stance on him (as him being 1 of these 2 roles). I figured if there was much of a ruckus kicked up, it would likely be from his recruited warriors, which would then identify Bass as the Yuan Shao Indy. So that's why I was formulating a theory that perhaps Zou Ci was some how roped in with the recruiting Indy, and perhaps Quin, after standing up for Bass so vociferously.

To be clear, I have no problem with Yuan Shao or his recruits, I was simply using that as a basis for my theory of identifying which of those 2 roles Bass has. Ya dig?

The Serial Killer is most definitely still alive, because s/he has not lost a duel, and CANNOT be NKed. So no, Leetic is NOT our final foe, spirit dude. The SK is still out there FOR SURE, though we can hope s/he is inactive at best.



It's time for complete transparency, and this is where I'm at.

Linki, but I am posting and THEN reading. Like I do.

Aragorn wrote:

Scotty wrote:Can someone please explain the blooper vote?

I don't think she is bad in the slightest and yet she continues to get votes every phase. What role do you think she is?

Here's the math. We know realistically that there can only be one remaining Nanman and one remaining YT. Blooper is at least active enough to drop in seemingly random votes every phase. There was no kill last night, and Epi seemed very mum on revealing if a team has been eliminated.

I've already previously stated that I thought TH was Mafia, and even if he wasn't, there is a chance that one of the several nightkills from the YT could have been Nanman.

Unless you think there is still one left who hasn't been paying attention since Mac died and a kill wasn't submitted..which if that's the case, then the only two people who missed the vote yesterday are Bass and Aragorn.

I think Bass is our best choice to battle, because even if he loses, he still has a suspicious cloud looming over him IMO, whereas I think a ninja vote is non productive.

uhmm, no I didn't...

Aragorn wrote:I think I'll trust Zuo Ci's judgement here and go with leetic and Mac. If either of them flips town then at least we'll know where to go from tomorrow.

Zuo Ci wrote:

Scotty wrote:Simon has done nothing but try to fight. I don't think he is a threat at this moment, spirit

And the most willing combatant otherwise is the same clever fish you would destroy. This spirit suggests that you emerge from your tunnel, child.

Many of you forget that leetic is the best candidate for the lone murderer as well as the Nanman or yellow turbans. He may even be our final foe.

Quin wrote:

indiglo wrote:What if I told you that I am as certain in my assessment of Bass as I was in my assessment of Mac, and as I currently am in the assessment of leetic? Even if you can't sense it yourself, would hearing that give you pause?

Unless there really is a nanman left, whoever I vote that isn't leetic will be based on indie hunting. nijuu fits the description of an indie Dong Zhuo waiting for their role to activate better than Bass at this point, because she's the one who's coasting. Neither of them has appeared particularly gung-ho about lynching the YT's specifically which I would expect to see from someone eager to get that going.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:

Quin wrote:An observation.

The Yellow Turbans have killed Night 2, 4 and 6. It's very likely that they only had the power to kill once every 2 nights.

Yeah I think they were most likely getting blocked.

Where were you yesterday?

RL has been getting in the way of my game. If you want me to battle I'm always down but if I lose it will hurt the civs.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:

Quin wrote:An observation.

The Yellow Turbans have killed Night 2, 4 and 6. It's very likely that they only had the power to kill once every 2 nights.

Yeah I think they were most likely getting blocked.

Aragorn wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Aragorn wrote:I just got in to the game in the last day phase. Looking at this game objectively, I see absolutely no reason in pursuing inactives in the hope that they're the remaining YT member (or independents, for that matter), when we know that there's a very good possibility he/she was one of the NK's. Our immediate priority is nanman, who is very likely to be some of our active players. YT hasn't killed in a long while, they're probably wiped out. I wouldn't put it passed the Bad guys to use this as a distraction from the real issue at hand.

On the flip side, if you just subbed into Jan and she was YT, it would have been a stupid move to kill last night because we would put 2 and 2 together. So this could be a great time for you to lay low for a while as we attempt to pick off the Nanman.

All being said, i agree with you, but I'm not going to leave that rock overturned.

That is an odd suspicion of me. I'm pretty sure there was another sub before me, wouldn't such a claim be just as likely for that person too?

Frankly I don't at all like how you've come to that conclusion.

Aragorn wrote:I just got in to the game in the last day phase. Looking at this game objectively, I see absolutely no reason in pursuing inactives in the hope that they're the remaining YT member (or independents, for that matter), when we know that there's a very good possibility he/she was one of the NK's. Our immediate priority is nanman, who is very likely to be some of our active players. YT hasn't killed in a long while, they're probably wiped out. I wouldn't put it passed the Bad guys to use this as a distraction from the real issue at hand.

MacDougall wrote:Bugger about the LoRab. I guess nutella was the town crier dude.

DFaraday wrote:

Scotty wrote:I think Boomslang is as good a candidate as any for the Nanman. Indiglo mentioned some things that Boom doesn't look good in.
And maybe Mac. He disappeared from day 8 to...uh...some time recently. Someone started talking about him in day 12 I think it was, and he was there to regurgitate some snark. So he is paying attention, but only soooo much.

Would it be more prudent to keep voting for Nanman scum since we are relatively safe from YT kills for now, or so it would seem? I could very well vote for Mac and Boom.

I'm still torn between DF and Dom as secondary candidates for Nanman. They're both just sneaking by.

And yo, DF, this isn't an attack on your inactivity- since I know you don't appreciate that being a legitimate suspicion, but this game, the best adjective I can use to describe you is "blendy". I've mentioned this before, but either it's a scumtell or a civ tactic to last longer into the game. I just can't tell which. Either way, I can't remember the contributions you've made towards actual scum hunting. I just can't remember. I'm like Dory. (I'm blue)

I made a whole case on LoRab, and pushed it more than once. It turned out to be completely wrong, but I still did it.

Now that we're down to a smaller pool I can look over everyone more closely. It's hard for me to devote the energy to analyzing everyone when there are 30 other players around, but I'll give my reads on the remaining players later this phase.

Regarding the two picks you mentioned, I think Boom would be a better option than Mac. I think Mac's early vote on Wilgy is a good look for him not being Nanman. Boomslang did vote for MM, but it came late enough that MM was pretty much a lock to duel, so I think it's more plausible that Boom was bussing a teammate than Mac.

Quin wrote:Why do you think you are being silenced so often, Scotty?

Quin wrote:You were silenced on Day 6, right Mac?

Aragorn wrote:YT hasn't had a kill since Night 7, which leads me to believe that the team is probably wiped out. Yes, there is a possibility that one of the inactive players is the remaining player, but YT clearly isn't our biggest threat right now.

MacDougall wrote:I don't think he needs to be trying to lead us astray to be nefarious. He can be genuinely scum hunting.

I think that you are probably right about who he is but I don't think that makes him the same guy he was before. What if he is the 'apparition' that YT dude summons? YT did have a smaller team tha Nanman. Perhaps this is the balancing mechanic. Summon an aparition sock that a dead player controls. Joins your team but can't perform kills?

The guy who inherits the YT kill is still alive. So that means most likely there is a YT alive. That means it is either one of the absentees or something else. Zuo Ci is a big something else.

indiglo wrote:@ Scotty - I am in the same place regarding who to go after. I am ready to try to look again for some type of connection, but likely will be a bit less confident in my suspicions. I do think Nans are currently a bigger threat, but I'd settle for a good duel period. Any baddie is better than another civ. I shan't be terribly particular in that!

Do you feel that looking into any of the Simon voters would yield us anything? I found him to be quite an odd vote choice, even after (or maybe especially after) reading his ISO. That's something I'll be open to looking into this day phase too.

And agreed with the Jan/Aragorn business.

indiglo wrote:

Matahari wrote:well. I really expected the nanman to take out Indiglo, and for the same reason, it seems they would have taken scotty out by now. Active, engaged players pose more of a threat than quiet ones, although Nutella was active and engaged, but recently has not been building cases. Very odd choice.

I am not terribly concerned about being NKed atm. Hence why I let 'er rip yesterday, even if I was wrong.

Matahari wrote:well. I really expected the nanman to take out Indiglo, and for the same reason, it seems they would have taken scotty out by now. Active, engaged players pose more of a threat than quiet ones, although Nutella was active and engaged, but recently has not been building cases. Very odd choice.

nutella wrote:One other thing that gives me slight pause -- people have brought up that Epi probably doctors the teams when distributing roles, and he put MP and Daisy together as two out of three of a baddie team, despite presumably being aware that they were both extremely busy IRL. Perhaps he still expected them to be dedicated players especially if on a baddie team together, and I think (correct me if I'm wrong) he was pretty unfamiliar with at least Jan and Dunny as players, and may have hoped they would be more active to begin with? (Jan at least was for a little while and then disappeared )

Idk, this train of thought keeps going around in circles and will most likely not get me anywhere. But I'm starting to have a hunch Jan is the slightly more likely choice. I'm voting for him and Dunny.

Sloonei wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Sloonei wrote:I went with Jan and leetic. I remember Jan making a few posts that kinda set off some minor alarms earlier in the game, and leetic seems to have disappeared from The Syndicate entirely so there's no harm in voting there.

Hopefully we'll get this down to the point where I'm the only inactive left.

In day 1 and 2? I thought you didn't read days 1 and 2?

And are you hoping you're the only inactive because you know you will be on the chopping block?

You're also hardly inactive Sloon-you're present and pushing forth discussion- you're just not as active as we know you have been in the past.

People were talking about Jan when I came in. I've reads bits and pieces of the earlier days, but not the entire thing.

I'm hoping to be the only inactive because this game is better off being populated by active players.

Are you still suspicious of me?

Sloonei wrote:I went with Jan and leetic. I remember Jan making a few posts that kinda set off some minor alarms earlier in the game, and leetic seems to have disappeared from The Syndicate entirely so there's no harm in voting there.

Hopefully we'll get this down to the point where I'm the only inactive left.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:Also I'm starting to think everyone should duel once.

Quin wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Day 7: A Peasant’s Labor is Overlooked

勞動天

Rey Was labored every day in his fields, hoping to be rewarded for his diligence. He knew Zhang Jiao would repay him kindly. Zhang Bao saw his work and thought he could make him work harder if he got his brother to make the weather hotter. Rey Was labored all day, and grew faint, and that is how he died.

This continues the evils the Yellow Turbans inflicted upon the peasants.

reywaS has been killed by the Yellow Turbans.
It is now Day 7. You have 48 hours and two votes each to decide the who will be in the fourth duel.

It was Day 6 actually, Scotty.

Does this change anything in your train of thought?

Quin wrote:I want to keep pushing for a Dom lynch. My thoughts against him haven't changed much from before, but they haven't been dismissed either. I've voted him the past three days and he hasn't looked twice. Are you ignoring me, Dom?

Quin wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:I'm cool with voting inactive people.

It's not even that INH is inactive- he's participated for some time- he's just supposed to be someone that is leading the civ cause. That's what he advertised in being a prefect. JJJ was a good prefect, I am a good prefect, I don't think he is.

This is the argument I'm worried about within the INH wagon. Scotty, what was your thought process that lead you to the conclusion that he was bad because he wasn't 'leading' the civ cause? I realise you've been pushing him for a while, but this looks like a giant step back in the quality of your case against him.

DFaraday wrote:

Scotty wrote: Wait, where was this canon? I don't think we know that at all. Did I miss something?

D'oh, you're right. Given that he voted decisively in MP's lynch and was killed by the Nanman, I just got it into my head that he was civ.

DFaraday wrote:

LoRab wrote:Kidnapped again. Meh.

I need to go back and check who mentioned me early on both times I was silenced, as I think it was perhaps purposeful.

I'm not bad. I may have unpopluar points of view and I may be stubborn as shit about them. But that's me being me. Yes, I voted INH late. Because that's when I got online. And I saw that there had been good points made about him. No, I hadn't mentioned him before. He was slightly pingy in the back of my brain for running for prefect and disappearing, but it was a dull and minor ping, and was never relevant enough (or pingy enough) to mention.

That seems to be the basic gist of the case against me. If there is anything else, let me know.

I mean, I made a whole case on you before that wasn't about tunneling. Since it's absurdly long, I'll just link it here. The basic reason is in response to this train of events:

Glorf presents a case on Timmer
Lorab: That's a convincing case *votes Timmer*
Timmer turns out to be civ
Lorab: It was all a baddie ploy, Glorf is bad!

Going along with the case, then immediately (literally, her very next post) turning around and going after the guy who presented it when it turns out to be incorrect struck me as very shady, even more so now that we know Glorf was civ.

In addition, as I outlined in my earlier post, Lorab was not only tunneling TH, she was, in my opinion, twisting the facts to fit her case on him. The fact that she keeps saying the only case on her is for tunneling (as she also did here)only makes me more suspicious of her.