The Syndicate

Prisoner 27385 wrote:and cheerleader's vote seems to have counted.

We don't know that. Could have lost the tie.

Either way, Cheerleader did not help us today. So all you folks calling her GOOD in the GTH reads make me scratch my head. If she's not indie, then what kind of balance would this game have with a random, new sock on the civ side?

Tell me: if you were doing a GTH exercise and know beyond a doubt that a role is indie, is that not an acceptable response? (we don't know it, it's purely hypothetical)

Bah. Shitty result. RIP Soneji

I don't think juliets looks terrible here. I believe she had a tough decision.

Prisoner 27385 wrote:That's assuming no vote manipulation, which I shouldn't do.

Lol

Prisoner 27385 wrote:Well now if Soneji comes in and puts his vote where he ought to, we've got a tie, and ties (if I remember correctly) are resolved randomly. Are we cool with putting things in the hands of a coin?

That's assuming Cheerleader's vote isn't worth 0 like I assume.

Literally bea and Soneji are the only ones not on the trains. (Unless you count Cheerleader)

Just bookmarking this because the poll doesn't end for another hour and if both vote for the other, bea is lynched.

Gah i don't wanna be a tie breaker, but I find the bea meta more convincing than the Soneji case.

They could both be bad.

Voting bea and hoping for the best

Placed a vote on MetalMarsh.

It's a placeholder.

Maybe.

Oh right and John coltrane. Golden voted there at some point.

All he did was complain about attacking low posters but not offering any other help before taking a frustrated leave from the thread. I have no idea who he finds bad

juliets wrote:Thats the kind of post I was expecting from Booms if he was good. So now I just need to decide where to move my vote.

I don't remember what you thought of bea, juliets, but my vote is now between her and Soneji.
Llama seems fairly convinced about Soneji, which could just be a spitting llama looking for grass.
Bea seems to be fairly engaging now, but still dawdling in my minds' eye. She still feels like she lacks content, and what may have happened is that she legitimately had no time over the past week to contribute and at the same time was unconsciously using it as a crutch as a baddie. I could see both scenarios.

I'm still uncertain who to vote if I am to change my vote.

Linki: I also don't think she would use it as an excuse to be indicative of her alignment, but it is convenient.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:My vote is a placeholder vote.

I'm off now, I'll be back later. I'll likely vote for a low-poster when I do. I don't feel strongly about a suspicion of anyone. I'm willing to give Made the benefit of the doubt with regards to whether he bussed MacDougall or not, at least until we can see the posts from Day 1.

As for bea, I asked others what they think about her posts in this thread, but got no response. I find her entrance to this thread (and Day 2) to be genuine.

While Soneji did not vote for Mac on Day 1, he did vote for sig, a suspicion I share.

As such, I will likely vote Boomslang unless he responds, or at least demonstrates that he's paying attention. Actually, I'll go ahead and vote Boomslang now!



Later, Beach Bums.

Linki: There were eight (8) votes on Mac.

Placeholder vote, eh? And he didn't even change his vote.

What happened to voting yourself for a placeholder vote? And if you're looking to just have a vote on someone and already suspect you might be voting a low poster, what is it doing on me in the first place?!

I don't like your jib, kid.

Hmmmm

Hi Boom.

Nice honest directive there. At least it appears honest. Thanks for answering.

Linki: thanks bea. up in the air was a pretty decent movie

juliets wrote:Something to point out in Made's favor is he only had about 30 posts total in the Felt game we just played where he was bad. He was blendy in that game, and he remarked that when he's mafia he overthinks things which makes it hard to get things into the thread. I guess he could have radically changed his style this game but I really think you can't change that much in one game.

This is the big thing that doesn't have me pushing it further. I liked Made's tone on day 1. It felt...different from his recent baddie game. But if I were just lynched for being bad, I'd want to change it up next time. Wouldn't you?

Yo Made. You haven't answered my post to you:

Scotty wrote:Sorry I missed the GTH fun. Not gonna play right now. Goin to bed after a long night of singing.

Made wrote:

Prisoner 27385 wrote:

Made wrote:

Prisoner 27385 wrote:My sources and you simply have not been acquainted yet.
Who are your top suspects, whether they're at the beach or not?

I'm gonna piggy back on this: As a fun thought experiment, who do you think is going to be lynched in Hatch? Not who would you lynch, but who do you think would be?

In case you forgot:
DharmaHelper (1), Black Rock (3), Quin (8), Long Con (13), timmer (14), DrWilgy (16), sig (22), Professor Farnsworth (23), Sorsha (24), TheFloyd73 (26), LoRab (27) 39%

Personally I'd guess Sig but would deffo put LoRab in there as a toss up.

Who do you think is going to be lynched at the beach?

I feel like our group is more of a crap shoot of who comes up with a theory that sticks. I could see me, I could see you, but i feel like scotty is most vulnerable atm.

Made wrote:iunno call it gut I guess. I just feel he's susceptible to vote atm.

Whatever happened to this dingleberry of a comment?

I see you GTH read me as good. That's swell, Made. I didn't realize I was off your radar. I'm still trying to decipher what you meant by your comment of me being "vulnerable" and "susceptible to vote". Like, is that even a suspicion? If it isn't, then why even mention it?

Prisoner 27385 wrote:From what I have observed, it does not appear that any (or at least not many) roles have been directly copied from past games. It seems they are mostly just based on games from the last calendar year, not ripped directly from them.

Ok sure.

Then what do you make of Cheerleader?

Also to reiterate: I still think the most likely candidate for the Process is Prisoner.

He has had no mention at all of the Cheerleader in discussion, and has been actively avoiding talking about t as if it's old news. The only mention comes with the GTH read:

Cheerleader - MYSTERY ELEMENT, GOOD

How nice to call it a good mystery element without talking about it at all prior. My calling him out early on was swept under the rug, and there is no fire for the prisoner to solve that little Pom Pom problem.

That being said, I'm satisfied with his involvement to the game thus far and if it helps catch baddies, then I'm all for leaving him alone for the time being.

Ok @SVS and @Juliets
Ima try and break this down.
And here's the thread for reference: http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... =28&t=1051

So the Process is a separate team irrespective of civs and mafia. Let's call them "independent". The Process has no killing power, but it does have little 'tendrils' in the form of sock puppets that it can summon once a night. Last night, it summoned the Cheerleader, a Process Element, which has no voting power but can protect a Process element from night actions. If we lynch the Cheerleader, we will remove that role/element/tendril from the game. But tonight, and every night thereafter, the Process can summon another one of its possible tendrils either way (including Fetch, Man, Snapshot, etc.)

As the game Transistor game dictates,

The Process itself is immune to Kill ( ), and must be lynched to die. If The Process is lynched, all residual processes will die.

So when doing the GTH read and listing Cheerleader as BAD or GOOD is just not true. It's on its own team. It is neither bad or good. Whoever the Process is, will probably need to be lynched later rather than sooner. If process elements start piling up without us lynching them, and they're causing havoc in the thread, then we should probably hunt for the player playing the Process.

Does that better explain things?


What makes me slightly weirded out is: if all of this is a reflection of Transistor, why would the Process summon the Cheerleader first? There are no other elements to protect, and there is already an element that is even more benign than this: (Operator). I'm unsure that if I were the Process, I would be using the doctor at the get-go. Really has me second guessing if JJJ and Daisy accounted for people like me to expect something from this Process when in reality, maybe the Process is a mafia team after all, and the Cheerleader in this game has voting power.
I want to see what happens tomorrow with an extra summoned tendril before making any more assumptions.

SVS wrote:I want to hear more from Bea & Boom (sounds like a trendy hipster brand name for maybe soaps or lotions, lol)

S~V~S wrote:ebwop,

I also want to do a hard reread of Epi if we get the other thread back. I found him to be an unexpected kill since it would have been fairly easy to drum suspicion on him. When I made the post I made about how he should not be ruled out as bussing Mac, it was becasue I was having a hard time doing that myself. I could totally see Mac coming into his chat (especially if there is only one big bad team, it's easier to bus someone) saying he could not play, and to go for the cred. It is something I was able to see him and Epi pulling off. More than one person agreed with me iirc, even though they, like me, were reading Epi as civ. Were I on that team, I might have said, let's let SVS drum up suspish on Epi, lynch him, then lynch her for lynching him.

So my thought is that Epi must have had one or more of Macs teammates in his sights which would be why they killed him. So I want to read back on him.

Does anyone remember his post Mac suspects?

Yeah I was one of those people. I had a theory that if Epi was bad, a few of the other early trainers were as well. Since that was not the case, mafia must have really been scared of Epi, so I don't remember who else Epi had suspected besides me. I was in his sights for the beginning, which eventually petered out for Mac. It's totally WIFOM but I wouldn't have killed Epi yet if I were bad.

John Coltrane wrote:

Scotty wrote:I remember now! Boom posted something like, "I randomed LC so I voted him day 1 lol"
John coltrane, as you said, was a useless late vote for Mac. Could be a lazy bus. I could vote for either

Either of these would be a lazy vote

juliets wrote:Sonja, Boomslang, Coltrane - I'm lumping all of these guys together because I see them much the same way. Low posters, not offering much. I already talked about Booms and my observation that his posts so far don't seem engaged with the game compared to past games he's been in and I wasn't wild about his randomized vote on a day when there was plenty to look at and vote on. Soneji from my memory also has few posts and has that one post about meta being a crutch in the heat of the Mac lynch - not a good look. And Coltrane also hasn't participated much and was the last voter for Mac, potentially piling on as a teammate. I could vote for any of these three at the moment and may place a pressure vote on one of them today depending on how things go.

This is a trend I'm seeing in my read (aside from SVS), and I'm only on the second page. Y'all, just because you can't remember what someone (namely, me) said in the last thread, doesn't mean they didn't make a post, or substantial contributions in the last thread. Low posting does not equal no contribution.

I may just be irritated now in general (it's been a long day), and may have to take a break earlier than I thought so I don't express that too much in the thread.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Coltrane has given no one any reason to trust him. I don't have a specific ping about him like I do against Soneji, but he definitely has work to do if he wants to stick around. I'd say the same for Donna Meagle, who appears to not be trying at all.

Thing is, I'm 99% confident I know who John Coltrane is, and he's been lynched recently for this exact kind of behavior, only to flip civilian.

I don't intend to defend him, I just wanted to say that.

Hmmm, I'd like to see if you are right

Yeah, gonna take a break. Apologies.

I know who you are now!

Your sensitivity to calling out low posters gave you away.

To be fair, we wouldn't be having this conversation if the other thread was still referenceable. I again believe a lot can be said in limited posting capacity, and I'm not accusing you of not doing so. Since it was so limited, however, I can't for the life of me remember what you said. Them's the breaks, and why I suspected you. But thank you for coming in to defend yourself.

Not as much can be said for Boomslang

Sorry I missed the GTH fun. Not gonna play right now. Goin to bed after a long night of singing.

Made wrote:

Prisoner 27385 wrote:

Made wrote:

Prisoner 27385 wrote:My sources and you simply have not been acquainted yet.
Who are your top suspects, whether they're at the beach or not?

I'm gonna piggy back on this: As a fun thought experiment, who do you think is going to be lynched in Hatch? Not who would you lynch, but who do you think would be?

In case you forgot:
DharmaHelper (1), Black Rock (3), Quin (8), Long Con (13), timmer (14), DrWilgy (16), sig (22), Professor Farnsworth (23), Sorsha (24), TheFloyd73 (26), LoRab (27) 39%

Personally I'd guess Sig but would deffo put LoRab in there as a toss up.

Who do you think is going to be lynched at the beach?

I feel like our group is more of a crap shoot of who comes up with a theory that sticks. I could see me, I could see you, but i feel like scotty is most vulnerable atm.

Made wrote:iunno call it gut I guess. I just feel he's susceptible to vote atm.

Whatever happened to this dingleberry of a comment?

I see you GTH read me as good. That's swell, Made. I didn't realize I was off your radar. I'm still trying to decipher what you meant by your comment of me being "vulnerable" and "susceptible to vote". Like, is that even a suspicion? If it isn't, then why even mention it?

Prisoner 27385 wrote:Why is Bea excluded from the "why not?" conversation?

I guess she could be. I seem to remember her slurring around the room on Day 1 in bursts, and don't really have a read on her more than she's had a rough/busy week so far while also being sick. I don't view her as a a strong pull in any direction yet, but I do remember her at least trying.

But that's all hearsay because there's no thread to back it up.
My memory is like butter. If you put it in your car, you won't remember what day is it

Prisoner 27385 wrote:

Scotty wrote:

juliets wrote:Well, I guess Scotty didn't change his vote after all.

Oops. Fixed.

Prisoner 27385 wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Prisoner 27385 wrote:Why did we all vote for Mr. Coltrane?

Why not?

I could just as easily vote for Boomslang. Neither has come in to offer a differing reason otherwise.

I'm considering Soneji as an option too.

Scotty wrote:It's funny- I think you are the Process. You seem like you're trying really hard, which can be a perceived civ thing to do, but I feel like you're playing all angles.

Hardly constitutes "all angles"
Is someone a little upset I called them out for being the Process?

You don't seem to have any convictions, is what I mean. You'll vote for John Coltrane because "why not?". You'll vote for Boomslang presumably for the same "reason". Or you'll vote for Soneji. At least a case exists there.

I already posed the question: why not? Why not vote for them? I don't like their votes and I don't remember them in day 1. They haven't come to defend themselves. Yes, a case seems to exist here via llama on Soneji, but I'm not completely convinced yet.

Will you be remaining on John coltrane all day phase?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Because you guys are following Golden's vote around, you being the primary one.

Question to everyone on the beach: who would you lynch if everyone was on the poll and not just the Sand-Surfers?

Quin.

And why is following around Golden to a vote that I previously said I would entertain a bad idea, MM?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I'm voting for the Process, I mean Scotty.

U wat m8

juliets wrote:Well, I guess Scotty didn't change his vote after all.

Oops. Fixed.

Prisoner 27385 wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Prisoner 27385 wrote:Why did we all vote for Mr. Coltrane?

Why not?

I could just as easily vote for Boomslang. Neither has come in to offer a differing reason otherwise.

I'm considering Soneji as an option too.

Scotty wrote:It's funny- I think you are the Process. You seem like you're trying really hard, which can be a perceived civ thing to do, but I feel like you're playing all angles.

Hardly constitutes "all angles"
Is someone a little upset I called them out for being the Process?

I changed my mind. I think Professor Farnsworth will get lynched in the hatch.

@MM: I think donna's sock identity is super obvious. I have no idea with John coltrane, mostly because I don't remember them even playing.

Soneji wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Soneji wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Soneji wrote: Meta is a crutch as it means you can't catch said person in any kind of slip or make a convincing case that their behavior is scummy on its own. It is a tool that can be used to scumhunt but I'd never rely on it.

You would agree that it was successful in this instance though, yes?

Since Mac flipped mafia then yes. You didn't see me defend Mac did you? That was due to me recognizing it as a tool those people felt like using and not being familiar enough with Mac, I had no basis to agree or disagree with their assessments on his meta.

I didn't see you mention Mac at all, and I didn't see him mention you. Given the amount of discussion around him, that alone has me worried.

Why would I talk about a case based on meta, when I don't have familiarity with said persons meta? I only mention those that stand out to me personally and respond sometimes to general mafia discussion, nothing Mac said pinged me enough to talk about.

But you made a comment that was basically determine that meta was not reliable. That very well may be the case, but it also came when Mac was taking heat.

I see Golden has moved on to Boomslang. I'll follow.

boom

Prisoner 27385 wrote:Why did we all vote for Mr. Coltrane?

Why not?

I could just as easily vote for Boomslang. Neither has come in to offer a differing reason otherwise.

I'm considering Soneji as an option too.

juliets wrote:

Cheerleader wrote:

juliets wrote:

Cheerleader wrote:

juliets wrote:I
cheerleader - if this is really Epi's spirit, maybe he can put his two cents in to the discussion. I'm not sure how this entity worked in transistor but I'm probably going to go back to the game and see what I can glean. Given that it's not a person, if I have to default to someone because no one is striking me as particularly bad I could see voting for cheerleader. It really depends on how helpful s/he is.

Hai. Someone in here is bad.

I'm sure someone is but it's not me. Perhaps I don't understand this mechanic since I didn't play the game. You are not a person, right? I mean like a player.

I am a cheerleader. Go team!

Ok, I went back to the game but it didn't help much. It appears to be based on a video game which I'm not familiar with. If you are Epi you can be helpful and I don't want you gone. I'm not sure if we lynched you if we would be lynching the Process and I'm not sure if the Process is a good or bad being. Better to just go with my first inclination which right now is to vote for either Booms, Soneji or Coltrane. I'll follow the inclination of those who played Transistor where you are concerned.

Ok, since I was killed in that game and brought back as one of these things.
The Cheerleader is on the Process' team most likely, which means whichever team he/she was once on (be it Mac or Epi), they no longer are.
One of the people here is most likely to be The Process.
Lynching a symptom of the Process will only kill that symptom, not the Process. But every night the Process will be able to activate another sock puppet that has a special ability. If we lynch the Process, all the puppets die too.

Or, JJJ/Daisy is trolling us and there is no Process and instead this is just some random gimmick. I'd like to believe not, though.

Prisoner 27385 wrote:We also have the option of generating content today and voting off of that. It is Day 1 of a new mini-game and we've got a head start. I'm happy to figure out where my vote will land over the next ~40 hours.

Fair enough. I'll add to the fun.

john coltrane

I remember now! Boom posted something like, "I randomed LC so I voted him day 1 lol"
John coltrane, as you said, was a useless late vote for Mac. Could be a lazy bus. I could vote for either

Scotty wrote:

Prisoner 27385 wrote:

Scotty wrote:Remind me again what John coltrane has done in this game?

Spent a lot of time justifying a vote at the very end of the Macdougall bandwagon.

We can either squabble over what we remember each of us saying or use the only info we have available right now- the day 1 poll- as our guide. Since I scant remember much of boom or John Coltrane from day 1, I'm probably going to vote for one of them. Depending on whose vote looks most iffy.

Ebwop
The addendum is that it's either people I have a good grasp on based on their presence in the thread, or people I don't remember participating. Unfortunately. And the phone book is the voting records.

Prisoner 27385 wrote:

Scotty wrote:Remind me again what John coltrane has done in this game?

Spent a lot of time justifying a vote at the very end of the Macdougall bandwagon.

We can either squabble over what we remember each of us saying or use the only info we have available right now- the day 1 poll- as our guide. Since I scant remember much of boom or John Coltrane from day 1, I'm probably going to vote for one of them. Depending on whose vote looks most iffy.

Remind me again what John coltrane has done in this game?

Prisoner 27385 wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Prisoner 27385 wrote:

Made wrote:iunno call it gut I guess. I just feel he's susceptible to vote atm.

Has he done anything that compels you to vote for him?

Yes this is the first I've heard of it

Who do you want to vote for?

It's funny- I think you are the Process. You seem like you're trying really hard, which can be a perceived civ thing to do, but I feel like you're playing all angles.

In other words, probably MM. because Mm

Prisoner 27385 wrote:

Made wrote:iunno call it gut I guess. I just feel he's susceptible to vote atm.

Has he done anything that compels you to vote for him?

Yes this is the first I've heard of it

Cheerleader wrote:

Scotty wrote:I actually don't see a need to lynch Cheerleader right now. She pretty harmless right now. I'm sure Golden doesn't truly believe that's he way to go, he's just showing us he's silenced.

Still don't know who to lynch here. All the suspicious people were on the other side.

Arigato.

Hi Epi. We miss you.

I actually don't see a need to lynch Cheerleader right now. She pretty harmless right now. I'm sure Golden doesn't truly believe that's he way to go, he's just showing us he's silenced.

Still don't know who to lynch here. All the suspicious people were on the other side.

Looks like Golden voted for Cheerleader. Sounds silenced.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:If I had any bath tokens, I'd bet them all sig will be lynched.

Me too.

I'm still waiting for my Pm that tells me I received tokens in the night but all I got was a cold.

juliets wrote:

Scotty wrote:So in transistor mafia, if you were killed as a civ you became ingratiated in the Process, a third party.
In the case of Cheerleader, here is its role:

Cheerleader- Protect a Process element from all Night actions. Vote is worth 0.

To kill it, we have to lynch it. But it's not necessarily nefarious, just self serving.

I figure Epi will take the Sock, if patterns continue.

So it's an entity and not really a person - even though it's technically a sock? Do I have that right?

What it tells me is that in some capacity, there is probably a 'Process'-type indie role out there. If patterns continue, every night, as long as the player playing the process role is alive, he/she can summon a sock from a list of socks that all have special powers. Some have helpful abilities, some have voting power, some don't.

If we lynch the neck, the heads will die.

That is, assuming what I said is true, and if the process is on the beach right now. I would wager it is.

So in transistor mafia, if you were killed as a civ you became ingratiated in the Process, a third party.
In the case of Cheerleader, here is its role:

Cheerleader- Protect a Process element from all Night actions. Vote is worth 0.

To kill it, we have to lynch it. But it's not necessarily nefarious, just self serving.

I figure Epi will take the Sock, if patterns continue.

I'm afraid I don't have a huge suspicion of any of the peeps at the beach. There's always that small chance that none of us are mafia, though that's dumb. If I were mafia I would assume that there may be an off chance that you can only kill at the location you're at, so to maximize a double kill, put at least 1 or two in both locations.

bea wrote:No - I finally am awake for more than 10 minutes in the past 36 hours and was going to catch up on the 10 pages I fell behind when everything changed.

RIP Epi

Who got lynched?

Mac got lynched off of Epi sniping him off of meta.

So thank you Epi! I feel much better about the other originators of the train now that we know Epi was good!

The fuck is cheerleader doing in the poll?

Quin isn't here. Wel shit.

Juliets I see you lurking. What say you today?

In Soviet Russia, day 1's are deleted and the points don't matter!

Well shit. Can't access old posts and I posted that case against Quin right before the EoN. Did anyone happen to see it? I didn't save it.