The Syndicate

Ricochet wrote:K bye

Thanks for viewing, Rico! Your presence was hugely welcomed!

And thanks juliets for keeping me company. I'm glad you never had to use your MoD stick on people!

DharmaHelper wrote:Seriously, hats off to Scotty for putting this together. A long time ago, a player named Map put together a LMS game based on Battle Royale and Long Con said it would make standard mafia games go the way of the dinosaur. I think this game is proof of that.

Hah thanks man. I don't think this by any means replaces standard mafia games. It's just like going to Denny's and NOT ordering an entire breakfast for once.

DharmaHelper wrote:I dunno if Ponderosa should be telling each other who they voted for.

Yeah maybe not

What's done is done though

Guys...I have three current votes, and each player currently has a vote.

This could be close

Epig-troll-sis
Holy shit man

DharmaHelper wrote:
Scotty wrote:
juliets wrote:
Ricochet wrote:I don't think the Quin power role complaint is fair, just like the Opt power role complaint is. Quin didn't use idols every tribal council. The others didn't eliminate him when he didn't. Their loss. Opt didn't win every challenge ever. In fact, she lost the very lost one. She was left in the game.

It is what it is.
I agree wholeheartedly. And we don't know what Sorsha's strategy was - it doesn't mean she didn't have one.
I agree. Looking forward to how Sorsha will respond to these questions.

Quin actually didn't use his role to the full advantage either. There were times in the early rubbings that he instead worked to better the tribe. I remember in like day 6-7 he told his BTSC partners not only his Rolex but where the possible idols were- so DF went looking in one location and Golden went looking in another, while Quin stoked the fire. That shows loyalty in his partners and faith that they wouldn't blindside him.
I wouldn't mind a chart of "Found Idols/Used Idols Per Person".

I'll list all those out after the game.

I hope Quin includes that in his speech

juliets wrote:
Ricochet wrote:I don't think the Quin power role complaint is fair, just like the Opt power role complaint is. Quin didn't use idols every tribal council. The others didn't eliminate him when he didn't. Their loss. Opt didn't win every challenge ever. In fact, she lost the very lost one. She was left in the game.

It is what it is.
I agree wholeheartedly. And we don't know what Sorsha's strategy was - it doesn't mean she didn't have one.

I agree. Looking forward to how Sorsha will respond to these questions.

Quin actually didn't use his role to the full advantage either. There were times in the early rubbings that he instead worked to better the tribe. I remember in like day 6-7 he told his BTSC partners not only his Rolex but where the possible idols were- so DF went looking in one location and Golden went looking in another, while Quin stoked the fire. That shows loyalty in his partners and faith that they wouldn't blindside him.

Remember that talk about bitter juries I had early on this thread?
Yeah, it's still a thing

DharmaHelper wrote:I dunno about survivor, but in Big Brother the jury gets 1 night to talk out among themselves who might deserve the votes

In Survivor, after each jury member asks a question, they all secretly vote and it's done. Though you'll hear in Ponderosa videos of the people that will not vote in the end

Also lol at INH stealing your Negan schtick

juliets wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:If Opt loses to Quin or Sorsha it will have been a robbery.
I think each of them has reasons why they would make a good winner. I hope it is a close vote.

And wow Lorab ate the chicken? I thought Scotty said Quin ate it, I must have misunderstood. Lorab ate it for a good reason though if what she says is true.

No, Quin had trouble with the digging portion of yesterday's challenge so I made fun of him in my post. Someone in Ponderosa took that to mean he ate the chicken.

Ricochet wrote:Do real life jury members discuss their vote option openly? I think this shouldn't be allowed in Ponderosa. It could be so easy to rally up or influence another's vote.

Here's where this game and the real game slightly differ:

Because tribal comes directly after Lorab was voted out, I thought it h fair to LORab to not be able to discuss with her fellow jurors her thoughts.

What does happen in the real life ponderosa is people do mingle and rally for their prospective vote before tribal, discuss what they're going to talk about, etc. This is a mechanic that the jury has but doesn't always have to play with.

Thar.

1.5 hours til deadline and I have received only 1 vote.

juliets wrote:Glad to see Quin is fighting back against Lorab. So odd that she thinks people don't see that Eloh did the poisoning. Also odd that she's attacking if she and Sorsha want Quin to do something, namely vote Opt.

It would appear that maybe she started with the intention of putting it on Quin to see if Opt would want to vote her.

Or, she truly believes Elo wouldn't do that in a LMS game and then

Scotty wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:Opt deserves to win, but the other 3 probably think that's the best reason not to take her.
Quin stated in BTSC several times that he'd rather have competitors who showed up to play sitting in the end. I think he wants Opt there next to him

Opt is in a bad spot for that because if she were to jump ship now and vote Quin, she will have alienated a ton of people on the jury

DharmaHelper wrote:Opt deserves to win, but the other 3 probably think that's the best reason not to take her.

Quin stated in BTSC several times that he'd rather have competitors who showed up to play sitting in the end. I think he wants Opt there next to him

Sorsha and LoRab are discussing in BTSC which of Quin or Opt would be most likely to vote the other. Right now they've sorta agreed on appealing to Quin to vote out Opt. It's interesting that the question then isn't, "who would be the biggest threat at the end", but "who would help vote out the other."

It's currently looking like a 2-2 split of LoRab/Opt unless someone changes something in the thread.

DharmaHelper wrote:I think SVS is right in that LoRab is angling to get people against Quin...

Though the better play would be "Hey Eloh, hey Opt, Mamana for life lets all 3 vote for Quin"

But Sorsha is in, not Elo

DharmaHelper wrote:I have to agree with the Ponderosians that LoRabs hangup on this poison shctick might sink her game

It's fairly obvious that Elo poisoned them, so I'm not even sure what the hang up is.

Sorsha got some lucky rolls in that challenge- and here she is at final 3!

Opt and Quin are already discussing in chat their desire to vote for LoRab. It's probably going to be a fire-making challenge (which in essence, is a random roll)

DharmaHelper wrote:It looks like the puzzles could decide it, not too much of a lead on anybody coming out of the first half.

These mazes...are taking a while. And frustrating a lot of people, including myself

DharmaHelper wrote:I would have liked to have played with MP and Epi and LC. Shame they all ended up on the opposite sides of the island as me.

Plus Mp was MIA.

I wouldn't mind playing with you either. As a player.

juliets wrote:Scotty, the Ponderosa thread will still be open for the jury to talk about the answers they are getting from the players, right?

Yes

DharmaHelper wrote:Are we going to be in the studio audience for the finale?

Lol sure. You can be Sia, who unceremoniously walked up on stage for no reason during Kao Rong's season reunion

Ricochet wrote:Oh man why did they not blindside LoRab? Bigly waste of an opportunity.

Who is Quin even aligned with anymore?

Opt said she'd take him. Who knows who else...Sorsha maybe?

juliets wrote:Anything exciting going on in bts Scotty? The thread is dead.

Haven't seen a lot. The participants are basically dead.

DharmaHelper wrote:Wonder how the vote will shake out.

No one knew that Quin had an idol.

So that will be reflected by some of the votes tonight.

DharmaHelper wrote:If I did have any criticisms of the game it would be that. I have to think it's no small coincidence that the guy whose power shows him where the hidden immunity idols are is the guy with the most hidden immunity idols all game.

(Also, shouldn't we be tapped out on immunity idols? IIRC Real Survivor doesn't have like, five idols.)

When an idol is used from that tribe it came from, it is reburied. This idol from the Merged tribe keeps getting reburied when it is used.

As for finding idols- people had their chances, and people also had their chances of voting out Quin when they had a chance. But they kept him alive because I feel like the general core wanted him around

Update:

Spoiler: show

In other news, he is also thinking about eating the poor poor imaginary chicken.

I'm amazed that Opt won immunity today. I'm also shocked at how little LoRab and Sorsha seemed to remember. Sorsha didn't even submit answers, so

The next challenge is the last challenge and incorporates every skill. This night poll is choosing which advantage they would like in the next challenge. Right now,

Spoiler: show

Looks like one of Sorsha, Elo or LoRab will be going home tonight.

DharmaHelper wrote:How well received would a Walking Dead LMS game be... hmmmm...

If probably play.

Ima need a break after this thing wraps up tho

DharmaHelper wrote:What I meant was I don't have to worry about being suspected as a mafia, because everyone else is equally as innocent or guilty as I am as far as the game is concerned. But yeah, you do make good points.

The slight difference in this game is that some players are malaligned with their abilities and are not necessarily looking to play fair. So for someone like, say, the Nurse, their best interest would be to eliminate others that pose a threat to the unity of the tribe in the early goings.

Not that players knew this, but that element exists to give players perspective

juliets wrote:
juliets wrote:
Ricochet wrote:Did Sorsha use her special item? From the sound of it, it could be yuuuuuge.
I don't think she's used it and I don't think I know what it is.
Oh wait I think scotty told us what it was, wasn't it
Spoiler: show
the ability to take down someone's hunger and thirst by 2? I could be wrong about this but it sounds vaguely familiar.

Sorsha already used it last phase. She used it on Elo and it brought her thirst and energy down 4.
If she had used it on, say, Golden, it might have killed him. But she chose Elo, who was marginally fine with thirst

juliets wrote:
Scotty wrote:I'm actually surprised Golden is so bitter about being played. I figured he of all people would have more of an open mind.

Should be an interesting outcome. I have no idea who the jury is probably going to vote for now.
He doesn't sound that bitter to me but maybe I'm reading him wrong - more surprised that Opt would do that. Scotty, are you going to let them have bts until the end? I was thinking you said you were going to limit them to 1 each to force more behavior into the thread where the jury could see it.

Also, I think Quin has a good chance now.

I'm trying this auto-BTSC today, and already didn't think it through. This will change again tomorrow because I think almost every person will have BTSC.
For final 4, i will definitely have a limit of 1 match per person.

I'd prefer the game players to be able to have a little strategy over Jury seeing everything. But I also don't want a dead thread. Can't win em all

I'm actually surprised Golden is so bitter about being played. I figured he of all people would have more of an open mind.

Should be an interesting outcome. I have no idea who the jury is probably going to vote for now.

DharmaHelper wrote:Spill Scotty, who flipped?

This is Opts game to lose now, I'd think. What fools they'd be to take Quin now after his dumb ass burnt THREE idols

Opt started the ball rolling with Quin. He was pretty paranoid to begin with, and was all for doing what Golden said, but put all his eggs in the basket. She let Sorsha know as well, and she was cool about it.

Quin didn't inform Golden or Elo about it at all. And LoRab was completely in the dark.

Guess we'll see how that affects the voting blocks here. Opt has a big target on her back, and so if she doesn't win immunity here,

DharmaHelper wrote:Yikes I thought 2AM EST.

3 AM is cutting it a little tight even for me

Yeah sorry about that. The show just got out where I am now on the west coast so it gives me only so much time to finish the host post

DharmaHelper wrote:
Scotty wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:
Scotty wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:I wonder if the thread is so quiet because people are waiting to see if the shoe drops.
It's only marginally less quiet in BTSC, if that makes you feel better.

You Australia folks are on the other side of the world from half of the other players
Fool I'm on EST
Oh for some reason I thought you were in Australia and was like, "damn he's up early right now"
Probably because I've been staying up so late for the game recently.

That's commitment! Not even playing and so much fervor! I love it

DharmaHelper wrote:
Scotty wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:I wonder if the thread is so quiet because people are waiting to see if the shoe drops.
It's only marginally less quiet in BTSC, if that makes you feel better.

You Australia folks are on the other side of the world from half of the other players
Fool I'm on EST

Oh for some reason I thought you were in Australia and was like, "damn he's up early right now"

DharmaHelper wrote:I wonder if the thread is so quiet because people are waiting to see if the shoe drops.

It's only marginally less quiet in BTSC, if that makes you feel better.

You Australia folks are on the other side of the world from half of the other players

DharmaHelper wrote:
Scotty wrote:Y'all wanted a big move? Well, one player is making that #BIGMOVE in BTSC.

We'll see how all this works out tonight, but maybe it won't be as straightforward as first thought...
Don't make me beg for deets.

What's the fun in spoiling everything right away?

Y'all wanted a big move? Well, one player is making that #BIGMOVE in BTSC.

We'll see how all this works out tonight, but maybe it won't be as straightforward as first thought...

DharmaHelper wrote:Cutting Eloh would be a mistake. if they can get the move on Quin they should take it.

Don't know if they planned that far ahead in BTSC yesterday. Without proper BTSC channels tonight, I don't think it will work. Blindsides need to involve coordination.

See, SVS and Quin and LoRab had smilie code to work out who to vote for, but I'm not so sure Golden is a part of that or can get it together with all of them.
If he does, then bravo.

Golden and Quin are talking. I'm not sure Golden is being completely honest.

But Quin thinks he is safe, and just admitted to Golden that he will play the idol at final 5 (since it is the last time he can) and play the fake idol tonight.

Twould be a good time to blindside Quin.

However, LoRab and Opt can't talk to Golden with that info, so it might just be a straightforward vote of either Sorsha or Elo

DharmaHelper wrote:With Day 13 being the cutoff the window to make a move against Golden might be too small to matter.

Anything can happen in a few days.

Hidden immunity idols can't be used after the final 5 tribal council anyway, so if he doesn't win immunity, that would be the idol ideal time to make a move.

LoRab

Spoiler: show

DharmaHelper wrote:Props to Scotty for making puzzles I can't wrap my head around at all :P

I carry a book of logic puzzles around wherever I go.

It helps me sleep

Ricochet wrote:Have I created a monster after screwing with Scotty in Watchmen?

Nah man. Can't beat the technical villainy that was those goddamn puzzles.

The difference is that mine have a solution.

Yours created problems

DharmaHelper wrote:Dang Scotty you really like making puzzles that have the most confusing set ups possible huh? :P

Confusing? Lol no. The formatting is a bit weird on the site, but other than that, it's pretty straightforward.

Are you still working on it or did you give up?

DharmaHelper wrote:
Scotty wrote:
Ricochet wrote:I for one don't get the part about cutting off BTSC. Isn't it an integral part of the lore?
It is, but it's probably like waiting for mouse to come out of a hole for hours so you can befriend it or whatever it is you do with a mouse hiding in your walls

Golden already asked for the puzzle and completed it.
Spoiler: show
In 14 minutes. He humblebragged about it, that hoomananny. I finished it in 16 minutes myself.
Bet I could do better.

Just for shits, want me to send it to you and find out? You just might.

Ricochet wrote:How many Jury members did Golden actively sink? Might have a bad bitter jury time, accordingly.

Well, I'm willing to bet Epi will not vote for him. He flat out said he wanted one of the women to win.

Ricochet wrote:I for one don't get the part about cutting off BTSC. Isn't it an integral part of the lore?

It is, but it's probably like waiting for mouse to come out of a hole for hours so you can befriend it or whatever it is you do with a mouse hiding in your walls

Golden already asked for the puzzle and completed it.

Spoiler: show

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