The Syndicate

As I said in spec chat- I am not convinced I would have completely got there in f4 of jack being bad, and it all had to do with the fact that the person that looked the most likely to get NK’d was also protected the night mafia didn’t kill, so the WIFOM was killing me. Jack was the titular busser on his team and he played well

Gg to Mafia! Made the moves you needed to make and even though you had some situations that could have swung you wildly in the town’s direction, you held fast and took advantage.

Also lol that jack was the buzzer on all mafia getting lynched in this game

Stay strong to POE fam, I expect dyson to flip town here. Thank you for your service dyson.

We’re still in a good spot. TSP should get scrutiny in general so don’t let him talk you out of him

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 3:56 pm I just realized TSP is voting Gav.

I also realized TSP isn't self preserving and he's here.

He doesn’t need to because dyson is in the lead

Dyson town = TSP/Gav next > LC > falcon > ender/jack

That’s my proposed order for POE

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 3:50 pm I'm here. How are we all today?

Busy. Hoping for the best.

If dyson is scum, I had advocated for both scum lynched seriously for 2 days. I should be lock clear regardless, therefore I should be the NK tonighr

I’d say look at ilario first if dyson is scum

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 3:37 pm Lime Coke, falcon45ca, Scotty, Jackofhearts2005 - 1 wolf here if Dyson flips town?

TonyStarkPrime, RondoDimBuckle EnderWiggin, ilario, Gavial - Leaving one wolf here?

Discuss

What? I’m clear if dyson flips town

A 3 way tie that dyson would auto lose, eh?

Let’s just

[VOTE: dyson] aubergine and see if anyone else moves

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 2:17 pm Recently played a game where rand was quite successful for town...how are ties decided this game?

Confirm 3 towns today by voting out dyson, I mean.

Hmm yea if dyson doesn’t die today, one of his list dies. If we lynch a town, we’ll have to lynch dyson tomorrow if we’re still not sure.

Maybe it is in our best interest to confirm 3 towns? It would be 2 v 6 tomorrow if the kill succeeds

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 12:10 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 12:01 pm Haven’t seen much in thread to convince me to change yet.

Will learn a lot from gav’s reveal I think
I thought my suggestion and reasoning was pretty convincing.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 12:26 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 12:22 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 12:13 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 12:01 pm Haven’t seen much in thread to convince me to change yet.

Will learn a lot from gav’s reveal I think
True
Falcon, I don’t get where your head is at. Generally.

Could you plop down a readlist for me?
I have. You, LC & Dyson.

I've got suspicion of Gav as well, but there's a few things he's done that make me TR his slot. It's undeniable tho that we'd learn a lot from his flip.

I must have missed it- you’re sus of dyson and jack?

Haven’t seen much in thread to convince me to change yet.

Will learn a lot from gav’s reveal I think

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 7:48 pmWhen's EOD?

If it were now, would you change your opinion?

It’s at 4p EST tomorrow

If you are town and get lynched today, Gav, I will personally make sure we go for TSP next, barring any new info.

Sound good?

Gavial wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 7:39 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 7:29 pm
Gavial wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 7:13 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 5:26 pm Nah based on the votes if Gav flips red, it’s LC next
It isn’t LC.
Trust me it’s TSP and Jack.
You’ve given me no reason to trust you.

Circumstantial reasons at best
If you let TSP and Jack allow you to ML Me, Falcon AND LC just note you guys messed up almost a perfect opportunity.

lol cool it, they’re in the poe
If you flip town, I’ll go for TSP next. The math works out. Don’t you agree?

Gavial wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 7:13 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 5:26 pm Nah based on the votes if Gav flips red, it’s LC next
It isn’t LC.
Trust me it’s TSP and Jack.

You’ve given me no reason to trust you.

Circumstantial reasons at best

Gav is acting like a cornered wolf unfortunately falling victim to the POE

Nah based on the votes if Gav flips red, it’s LC next

Gavial wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 5:21 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 3:48 pm On top of that, based on what he’s already claimed, he can’t have any mech info in a neighborizer and mailman unless it’s some weird info gathering variant

I don’t buy it
That’s cause I don’t have any Mech info genius.
Just a real confident TR on Falcon.
@falcon45ca
You do realize if you vote me here TSP and Jack are just going to push for you tomorrow right?
If you do this I hope you have a plan to deal with them.

lol
The plan is in the p[oe]udding!

Gav, what is your opinion on dyson’s initial claim- any change from his recent answer?

Gav redirecting again

I think dyson is town

He’s already more transparent today than he has been when we were scum partners. Could he have learned a few things between games to come off as more agreeable and logical? Yes. But this gambit is a bit extreme.

Sort of like Lime Coke’s claim to have to use some blah ability by day 4 or die, the roles are unconventional

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 3:48 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 3:45 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 3:35 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 3:28 pm [VOTE: Gavial] aubergine
A big part of it is Gav's confidence in his TR on me. He's got no reason to be so confident, and doesn't have a track record (like for example TSP does) of accurately reading me, so I have no clue how he could be so confident
He's hinting mechanical information imo.
The 2X mailman & neighborizer also gets mech info on a town slot? So, Dyson got 3, and Gav got 1?

I mean, at what point is this just ludicrous?

If much rather believe dyson’s ludicrous role over any info Gav has supposedly gained

On top of that, based on what he’s already claimed, he can’t have any mech info in a neighborizer and mailman unless it’s some weird info gathering variant

I don’t buy it

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 3:45 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 3:35 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 3:28 pm [VOTE: Gavial] aubergine
A big part of it is Gav's confidence in his TR on me. He's got no reason to be so confident, and doesn't have a track record (like for example TSP does) of accurately reading me, so I have no clue how he could be so confident
He's hinting mechanical information imo.

Why hint? We’re at the point where we can solve the game. Withholding that info is just plain scummy

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 3:35 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 3:28 pm [VOTE: Gavial] aubergine
A big part of it is Gav's confidence in his TR on me. He's got no reason to be so confident, and doesn't have a track record (like for example TSP does) of accurately reading me, so I have no clue how he could be so confident

It could be some form of his own “falcon town meta” but he is mum with that even.

Vote count halfway through d3:

Spoiler: show

[VOTE: Gavial] aubergine

I missed by reading back in gav’s iso:

Gav, did you say you had a neighborizer and used it?? If so, with whom?

Someone even said before that the only time they’d seen a mailman was when it was a mafia role.

Shitty mafia role, tbh, but it should be taken into account.

Plus Gav didn’t get his hands dirty at all d1

Just based on that reread I’d even lynch Gav before LC even though I made a more comprehensive case against LC

Yeah I just ISO’d Gav up until he stopped memeposting, and even after, it’s a garble of tunnels on Rondo and jack and not much else.

He never interacts with, talks about or refers to Seanzie D1. Just straight meme scum reading Rondo.
He comes out literally sponging off of my vote for nook, by “mindmeld”. Why? He throws out his D1 rondo tunnel, then even adds on dyson because. Followed by jack. It’s as if his partner was destroyed D1 and he needs to come out by throwing shit at the fan to see what sticks for people.
Most of d2 is oscillating between dyson and nook, which isn’t all that bad, but his memes are surface level and don’t give any indication of effort on gav’s part. They were already established reads, and did nothing to advance his town label.

Gav def still in POE. And I can see him teaming well with LC too

Only Real(TM) wolves would kill dyson tonight.

He’s townlock fo sho

Either way, TSP/gav painting themselves in a corner if they are mafia.

The POE is omniscient

ilario wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 10:17 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 8:09 am
ilario wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 6:01 am
ilario wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 2:33 am I don’t mind eliminating dyson if people think he’s scummy, but I do think eliminating him just to confirm his check isn’t that great of a reason. Because we risk a potential miselim if he’s town and we don’t really get much in return. Sure, let’s say he’s town and we confirm his check that really doesn’t help us all that much because rondo is already confirmed town, I feel like I’m already universally townread, the only person of interest in the three is maybe Scotty? But he seems reasonably towny thus far today. So I don’t think a dyson town flip really helps that much? Considering nobody in the poe is even in his list to be cleared. So I wouldn’t vote the slot out unless people genuinely have a reason to believe that he will flip scum
this post doesnt hold up so much rn that i saw the tinfoils emerging on me

To be clear, dyson chop clears us so I’m not gunning for you whatsoever
It’s fine to case me If you deem it fit. I actually think it’s good play for any town to constantly re-evaluate every slot as new information comes forth. So if ur town ur just doing ur job and I welcome any scrutiny. I guess the part that did ping me is that you seem more focused on me than you are on dyson? Like fypov solving/casing me only ever becomes relevant if dyson is mafia so I’d imagine as town you would be more focused on him than myself since he’s literally the only person I can ever be mafia with this game after that report.

I’ve already cased dyson to the greatest extent I can- he doesn’t give much in the form of analysis. Hell, I voted for his ass yesterday. Best thing he’s done is this claim today.

I’ve already said your case is only relevant if dyson is scum.

Gavial wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 10:06 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 9:53 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 9:46 am Well this is fun and all but I'mma head off to bed.

Idk if I'll be up for eod. It'll depend on my sleepiness.
We’re still on 48 hour days…

We still have to wait another 30 hours
Hey Scotty, party at your place after we get the scum?

I need to ask my wife first

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 9:46 am Well this is fun and all but I'mma head off to bed.

Idk if I'll be up for eod. It'll depend on my sleepiness.

We’re still on 48 hour days…

We still have to wait another 30 hours

ilario wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 8:19 am Hmmmm dyson mentioned that he checked rondo myself and Scotty since we had the most interactions with him but rondo had 0 interactions with dyson before d3, and gav had the most and wasn’t checked

If dyson is red, we have a bit more digging to do.

But in terms of general thread towncore, I don’t think it’s a terrible group.

@Dyson sphere why did you pick those 3 players in particular?

ilario wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 8:17 am Oh shit I didn’t even notice he already had 4 votes

Now he’s rich!

ok guess I’ll keep my vote on TSP for now in light of the lack of new insight.

Gav seems convinced TSP is one of the perps. Probably the most optimal chop today provided it isn’t Gav himself, but he’s again digging himself a big ole hole.

If it really is jack and tsp, what a big ole hole they dug themselves on D1 by chopping their own for town cred. Bold strategy, Cotton.

tsp is the least clear out of both of them, and jack seems more like the proposed kill than the killer right now

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 7:00 am Actually fuck it I'll just claim.

At night I reflect all actions that target me.

Minus any that kills.

I have to use it twice by N4 or else I die.

I've already used it both nights. I'm not bothering with it again because I don't see the mechanical advantage of it.

I can believe that.

Also lol at that role

ilario wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 6:01 am
ilario wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 2:33 am I don’t mind eliminating dyson if people think he’s scummy, but I do think eliminating him just to confirm his check isn’t that great of a reason. Because we risk a potential miselim if he’s town and we don’t really get much in return. Sure, let’s say he’s town and we confirm his check that really doesn’t help us all that much because rondo is already confirmed town, I feel like I’m already universally townread, the only person of interest in the three is maybe Scotty? But he seems reasonably towny thus far today. So I don’t think a dyson town flip really helps that much? Considering nobody in the poe is even in his list to be cleared. So I wouldn’t vote the slot out unless people genuinely have a reason to believe that he will flip scum
this post doesnt hold up so much rn that i saw the tinfoils emerging on me

To be clear, dyson chop clears us so I’m not gunning for you whatsoever

ilario wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 5:52 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 12:22 am Just ISO’d ilario and don’t remember why I read them as town. Matter of fact, i cased them after the Seanzie flip and the whole thing was icky.

Another thing I noticed is that they made a comment after Seanzie garnered votes calling Seanzie rand>town. Then after I made my case in day 2, they proceeded to go into defensive mode, saying things like “ I didn’t have much of an opinion on seanzie, or most slots at that point since there wasn’t much game related content to go through.”

Then pivoting with redirection:
Spoiler: show
“Though my question to you Scotty is that why is my handling of seanzie one that has high scum equity whereas when I’m concerned on tsp, it seems as though you’re okay to give him a pass? On one hand I wasn’t sure on the wagons so I decided to iso both the slots in contention and the one game related line I found I thought was slightly villagery, whereas tsp actively tried to steer the wagon away from seanzie much more vocally. Why is the latter less concerning to you?”
‘I know I look bad, but this other guy looks way worse and I did nothing wrong officer can you arrest the bad man I just told you about?’

Or my favorite: “There really wasn’t much there for me to interact with or to form a read on. I’m sure if you read the iso yourself even with the power of hindsight on your side, you’ll agree that there’s nothing about those 18 posts that exceedingly scream wolf or town from his posts”

So the argument is nullified by the fact that they looked at Seanzie after thinking he and rondo looked to be t/t, called Seanzie rand>town, and comes back in day 2 conveniently saying they weren’t able to form a read on him. “There’s nothing about those posts that scream wolf or town” except you called him town for those posts so…

Another thing is one of their lasts posts at EOD was to cast doubt at TSP: “I’m not sure how to feel about tsp this eod” before the flip
And then revisiting it as soon as day 2 started: “Tsps eod yesterday is pretty concerning”
No talk of the caught wolf, ready to advance on a target.

Meh. Scummy vibes. Obviously we never lynch this slot unless dyson is red. But if dyson is red, I go here first.
Hmmmm, whyd you ask the doc to be on me end of d2 if you found those lines scummy?

I wholeheartedly forgot the entire Seanzie interaction and the case I made on you from early d2 to end of day, if you can believe it

ilario wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 2:33 am I don’t mind eliminating dyson if people think he’s scummy, but I do think eliminating him just to confirm his check isn’t that great of a reason. Because we risk a potential miselim if he’s town and we don’t really get much in return. Sure, let’s say he’s town and we confirm his check that really doesn’t help us all that much because rondo is already confirmed town, I feel like I’m already universally townread, the only person of interest in the three is maybe Scotty? But he seems reasonably towny thus far today. So I don’t think a dyson town flip really helps that much? Considering nobody in the poe is even in his list to be cleared. So I wouldn’t vote the slot out unless people genuinely have a reason to believe that he will flip scum

Hilarious, because if anyone in d1 looks the best vote-wise, it’s probably jack, then me. For me to be scum, I would have had to establish a bus strategy early and never change it. I don’t know why I’m sus at all just based on that.

You however,..

ok I’m past my bed time. Good morrow

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