The Syndicate

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 10:07 pm I do want to say it was a joy seeing so many familiar folks here who showed up for this thing. You all are wonderful people and a part of my life, however virtually that may be.

Spacedaisy, by the way, rocks as a cohost. She did EVERYTHING- and I mean everything- I don't like about hosting.

Also, the NP Blue role was all her idea, and I thought it was a fun way to bring in some who didn't sign up to play.

I appreciate you all. I appreciate Eloh more.

Pffft why dontcha marry her?

No, but y’all have both rocked as hosts- very hands on and responsive. No typos or grammatical errors. Which as we know is the most important aspect of hosting

Vivax wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 9:42 pm I should opt for keeping it simple and not be overly perceptive or overly associative like when I cased sig and made a castle of a case out of thin air.

But the possibilities to look at things differently do seem to be endless, after all.

Sometimes the best fiefdoms are built with sand. Doesn’t mean it’s not real!

Plus, if you make a ton of cases, you’re bound to be right eventually!

Matahari wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 9:17 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 9:06 pm
Matahari wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 9:03 pm congratulations Golden. I knew there had to be one or two OGs on the baddie team, because the OG civs were dying off too fast. I guessed you, G-Man, and Michelle, but didn’t guess Quin. Towards the end of the game, I started suspecting Vivax instead of you, because you were posting so many personal reasons for your game play and the old Golden would never have done that. So I dropped my suspicion until Vivax got killed, and then switched back to you. I played the game from the sidelines, and I didn’t do as badly as I’d thought I would. I knew Lorab was civ, and I was wrong about Bea. It was definitely fun playing along, and I really hope there will be some more OG games. Being BTS partners with SVS was so nice, I’m so glad I got to do that. Thanks SVS! It was really fun Daisy and Epi.
Sounds like your reads were very much on point. I’d like to play a game with you one day!
Thank you Scotty, I have signed up for a game so maybe that will happen! I have to say, you have such a quick mind for this game, you see and note everything! Whenever I was doing a quick catch up, I would read your posts first, because you summed up everything so well!

Wow thanks. It’s funny, because even though I’m far from a spam poster that this modern game has spawned, I often feel like I spew a little bit of lunch from last Tuesday when I post

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 9:15 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 9:12 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 9:11 pm @Sloonei did you work out what I was getting at with the night 1 thing?
No lol
I was role hinting at map.

Because the nons option was my avatar.

And I had pink checked Kate who was map, so I knew it was safe to claim.

I had you as map in my notes after that comment. Then the map never reappeared or seemed to do anything after N1, and….figured that role was definitely dead and you weren’t the map.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 9:07 pm Honestly I thought he had lost it when he voted Elo. I thought it would be easier to convince Elo that Sloonei was bad than the other way around. So that shows me how much I know.

lol I thought he had lost it when he left alive the two towniest players in the game in f3

Matahari wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 9:03 pm congratulations Golden. I knew there had to be one or two OGs on the baddie team, because the OG civs were dying off too fast. I guessed you, G-Man, and Michelle, but didn’t guess Quin. Towards the end of the game, I started suspecting Vivax instead of you, because you were posting so many personal reasons for your game play and the old Golden would never have done that. So I dropped my suspicion until Vivax got killed, and then switched back to you. I played the game from the sidelines, and I didn’t do as badly as I’d thought I would. I knew Lorab was civ, and I was wrong about Bea. It was definitely fun playing along, and I really hope there will be some more OG games. Being BTS partners with SVS was so nice, I’m so glad I got to do that. Thanks SVS! It was really fun Daisy and Epi.

Sounds like your reads were very much on point. I’d like to play a game with you one day!

Ahhhhhh I put too much work into this game.

It’s crushing games like these that makes me have to launch into breaks again. I can’t just not be involved when playing these things. And to come so close…

I’m just glad it wasn’t lost by some bullsuit. Golden clawed and scraped his way to that win. Sure, team win yadda yadda yadda…but at one point he was…what, 1v6? That’s impressive. Gotta give him props

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 9:01 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 8:58 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 8:54 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 8:52 pm Did anyone not know what my role was after Day 1?
I mean me, obviously lol.

Glad I was such a good brick wall for Scotty.
I laughed when you said it was obvious I wasn’t Rev Mafia, but in hindsight thought maybe that was an act.
Oh no, I was in full civ golden mode.

Even before day one was swapped I believed it was being swapped by axe. I don’t know what his day one stuff was about but it was weird.

I…also don’t know what Axe was doing D1 lol

We may never know

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 9:00 pm For the record, what Scotty wanted to do in thread was not out of bounds. I’m also surprised you remember our days of no claims so differently because it was something that used to happen all the time. It is fair game to discuss something that has happened that is public knowledge and speculate why or to try and slot à role.

If SVS wasn’t backing Golden up about the old ways I would have surely pushed harder. Golden this game was like that kid during a school exam that was covering his paper the whole time because he was nervous the guy behind him was peeking

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 8:55 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 1:41 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 1:24 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 1:23 pm [VOTE: Elo] aubergine
You're all over the place Scotty.
I’m a scattershot on D1 here in the Wild West, partner
This post was pretty telling for me yesterday

There’s also one of my last posts which was made only for Vivax to clear himself if he was ever under pressure:

Spoiler: show

which makes all the capital letters spell ‘VIVAX IS THE ONE I SUSPECT THE LEAST’

Wish you had left him alive in endgame for that reason

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 8:52 pm Did anyone not know what my role was after Day 1?

The only reason I wasn’t sure was Golden’s hesitance after I came in swinging with that theory D2. He kept pushing his “he’s not what you think he is” which made me reconsider that maybe Golden switched for some inane reason. But that doesn’t make sense.

You’ve been the towniest cleariest town of the past several cycles and it’s not even close.

Vivax wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 8:51 pm Glad I got NKd. Don‘t think I‘d have picked the right one or survived the day.
gg Golden!

Thanks for being a great sounding board, partner!

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 8:47 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 8:46 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 8:44 pm
Elohcin wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 8:40 pm I'm quite good at figuring out the bad guys with my gut, but am horrible at building cases. And I have a hard time following my gut when I have no real evidence. And yes, in some of my posts, I capitalized ALL the adverbs! @Golden did you catch onto this?
My finding people by roles was actually shit in this game lol. I thought llama was adverb tell.
Your handling of how I was going about figuring out how to clear Sloonei was pissing me off to no end. Like, you had me on two separate occasions have to leave the game to go fume IRL so I didn’t just start yelling at you in thread.

I should have known.
The whole ‘Sloonei is a mason thing’

Was based off your opening post.

That I forgot was you not Sloonei.

And then I had to lean in.

But like…the Mason thing aside.

Who the hell would have switched the D1 lynch besides Sloonei?

Matahari wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 8:47 pm there’s a reason I left my vote on Golden for so long. Hmmm, I wonder why I did that?

based

I just could never look at Elo’s townslip and go “wow, she’s faking that”.

Maybe one day, she can use that against me tho

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 8:44 pm
Elohcin wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 8:40 pm I'm quite good at figuring out the bad guys with my gut, but am horrible at building cases. And I have a hard time following my gut when I have no real evidence. And yes, in some of my posts, I capitalized ALL the adverbs! @Golden did you catch onto this?
My finding people by roles was actually shit in this game lol. I thought llama was adverb tell.

Your handling of how I was going about figuring out how to clear Sloonei was pissing me off to no end. Like, you had me on two separate occasions have to leave the game to go fume IRL so I didn’t just start yelling at you in thread.

I should have known.

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 8:43 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 8:39 pm I was screaming at Sloonei on my phone. “Golden, Sloonei, it’s Golden!!!”

Screaming lol. Things are so obvious when you’re dead.

Although I’m pretty proud I called out the last three in one post!
And then you mysteriously died

You’re way too good at this.

I liked when I brought up “why was SVS” killed and listed both you and Sloonei as being her suspicions, you kinda brushed it off if I recall

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 8:35 pm There were moments in both Eloh's and Golden's ISOs that I thought looked like potential teammate interactions with members of the mafia team. Ultimately, I felt like Golden's going after Quin on Day 1 and then some time in the middle of the game felt too unprompted, and Quin's reactions too anxious, to have been faked. Well played, you two.

It never amounted to anything, if you look closer.
Golden and I both voted for Quin D1, but his wagon wasn’t taking off at all.
Without context, his votes do look good tho

Well done Golden. Got to hand it to you, you played a slick game.

I hate it all the same, you FEB :P

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 8:30 pm [VOTE: dog] aubergine

may god have mercy on us all

>ring ring
>hello, I’ve been talking with Gandhi
>he just wanted me to tell you all

Spoiler: show

And now my watch has ended. Thanks for the game all!

We haven’t seen linki in a while either..

sig wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 8:51 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 8:12 pm That Michelle just gave up and never answered me about sig makes me feel better about this.
I thought you thought I was mafia

you are dog

Very nice playing with all of y’all. If i don’t make it through the night, and some tomfoolery is afoot, pay close attention to golden. Very close attention. Assuming michelle is bad, X-ray googles need still be applied.

I don’t want a scenario where dfaraday is just auto elimm’d tomorrow without discussion. So keep up the solving and pressure on golden and wilgy just in case.

THe crux of my continual tinfoil is this: a duo consisting of those two would have to be deep wolfing. Even ONE holding back from bussing other teammates one after another would look suspicious (and I know you’re probably like ‘Scotty, your tinfoil hat is on so tight you’re ready to start spotting aliens in the barn’ but it would be a disservice for me to exclude all possibilities- plus who doesn’t love some good conspiracy theories late into games??)

Unless something absolutely bonkers happens sometime in the night (Socky’s, the map secret resurgence, etc) Pretty much all we need to do is continue the path we’re on. Elo is town, sloonei is town, viv is town. Clearing aside, they are ones i trust.

This elim is THE LEAST nervous I’ve felt in a while in this game, and frankly i’m exhausted lol so i’m all here for it

Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 8:11 pm YIS. O'm nut crezy. O hevi my tomizuni thongy ell currict end pull seys ot inds et 7. bat ierloir tudey ot seod 8. O em su cunfasid.

Don’t worry, the poll’s been screwy all day.

Your vote can still count if you just use the vote tags in post! You’ve still got 45 min

That Michelle just gave up and never answered me about sig makes me feel better about this.

Vivax wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 8:09 pm The poll is over for sure, don‘t know about the day. I‘m in my doomsday bunker

I saw 10 Cloverfield Lane and now all can see you as is John Goodman

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 8:06 pm Wait, is day over? Poll ended.

Epi’s last post was after 8p and said 48 hours, so…I’m just gonna say the poll is a jabberwocky and we have 52 minutes left.

Updated vote count with 52 min left in day 6:

Sloonei -> Vivax
Wilgy -> Michelle
Scotty -> Michelle
Golden -> Michelle
Michelle -> Wilgy
sig -> Michelle
Vivax -> Wilgy

Michelle (4)
Wilgy (2)
Vivax (1)

Wait, is day over? Poll ended.

Scenarios to discuss before the flip since night is a minigolf course on a schoolday:

If Michelle is mafia, DF is just the most likely teammate.
Sig isn’t leaving many outs for himself if he is partnered with her. He just (unsuccessfully) tried to clear DF for godsakes.

If Michelle is good, Wilgy is back on the menu for reasons previously discussed.
But then more importantly, so is sig, who just (unsuccessfully) tried to clear DF for godsakes; they’re probably just partners lol

Vivax wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 7:49 pm [VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

I'll try a clutch Michelle save. At the cost of looking like an idiot if I'm wrong

oooh spicy I like it

sig wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 7:44 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 7:24 pm
sig wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 7:20 pm Actually though I just had a thought.

I’m now back to thinking DF is a civ and stay with me here got his vote stolen last phase.

There’s no way we ended in a Quin lynch unless that was the case correct?

It was 5 v 5

Quin 5 players

Michelle 4 player + 1 non player

Remove one vote from a Quin voter and suddenly it’s 4 to 5 remove one vote from Michelle and it’s the same way.

That means either a protection was in play or DF lost his vote and mafia wouldn’t take a mafia members vote even an inactive one.
Michelle (5)
Voters: Matahari, Quin, Vivax, S~V~S, Scotty

Quin (5)
Voters: Sloonei, Golden, Michelle, sig, DrWilgy

Or one of SVS, Vivax or myself had their vote stolen, and DF has nothing to do with it.
A vote would’ve still been stolen and void

I mean yes. Hence if one of the players voting for Michelle had lost their vote, Quin’s elimination is therefore explained.

Am I missing something?

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 7:29 pm (+scotty, who as far as I’ve seen hasn’t hinted but is mechanically cleared).

oh, I’m surprised you of all people haven’t picked up on my proclivities yet.

Which makes me wonder what other roles you’ve got pegged for certain people..

(But I’m not gonna go there)

Spoiler: show

Vivax wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 7:25 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 7:21 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 7:17 pm Updated vote count with 1 hour 40 min left in day 6:

Sloonei -> Vivax
Wilgy -> Michelle
Scotty -> Michelle
Golden -> Michelle
Michelle -> Wilgy
sig -> Michelle

Michelle (4)
Vivax (1)
Wilgy (1)
Unless DF and Elo show up to vote Wilgy and Vivax joins them, looks like Michelle is the one gone today.

I do hope Michelle is a hit and even if she is not, I don’t think we’re in a terrible place.

Though it would be nice for 2 potential civs to….be here.

@DFaraday @Elohcin
The fine print is that Elo and Fara aren‘t really participating with their votes yet.

So I‘m not sure that it‘s such a good place.

We’ll I’m only taking solace that Elo dabbed out with insanification because she doesn’t want to talk insanified…

Yet here she is not voting again…and life is a circle

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 7:24 pm
Vivax wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 7:19 pm Because silent nights:

It‘s important to have Wilgy explain why not Golden and for Golden the why not Wilgy or why Michelle.
It’s not important that I explain why *not* wilgy… I’m lynching who I think *is* mafia.

Michelle > wilgy for me. I read Scotty’s Michelle/Quin interactions and did my own Michelle/G-Man interactions. She looks compatible to me.

I’ve had good vibes on wilgy this game and his votes on g and Quin are good… not determinative. I also like the way he’s been sheeping sloonei. Seems like for some people, Sloonei is a good person to sheep.

And again, that point about his votes on GMan and Quin are either supatown or supabus. I’m currently thinking the former, but we’ll see

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 7:22 pm It was nice to play with all of you, no hard feelings for mischopping me

Sorry if you’re good Michelle.

Any last words on sig?

sig wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 7:20 pm Actually though I just had a thought.

I’m now back to thinking DF is a civ and stay with me here got his vote stolen last phase.

There’s no way we ended in a Quin lynch unless that was the case correct?

It was 5 v 5

Quin 5 players

Michelle 4 player + 1 non player

Remove one vote from a Quin voter and suddenly it’s 4 to 5 remove one vote from Michelle and it’s the same way.

That means either a protection was in play or DF lost his vote and mafia wouldn’t take a mafia members vote even an inactive one.

Michelle (5)
Voters: Matahari, Quin, Vivax, S~V~S, Scotty

Quin (5)
Voters: Sloonei, Golden, Michelle, sig, DrWilgy

Or one of SVS, Vivax or myself had their vote stolen, and DF has nothing to do with it.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 7:17 pm Updated vote count with 1 hour 40 min left in day 6:

Sloonei -> Vivax
Wilgy -> Michelle
Scotty -> Michelle
Golden -> Michelle
Michelle -> Wilgy
sig -> Michelle

Michelle (4)
Vivax (1)
Wilgy (1)

Unless DF and Elo show up to vote Wilgy and Vivax joins them, looks like Michelle is the one gone today.

I do hope Michelle is a hit and even if she is not, I don’t think we’re in a terrible place.

Though it would be nice for 2 potential civs to….be here.

@DFaraday @Elohcin

sig wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 7:16 pm In fact I’d put my mafia life on the line and say if Sig isn’t town vote for me

sounds legit

Updated vote count with 1 hour 40 min left in day 6:

Sloonei -> Vivax
Wilgy -> Michelle
Scotty -> Michelle
Golden -> Michelle
Michelle -> Wilgy
sig -> Michelle

Michelle (4)
Vivax (1)
Wilgy (1)

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 7:13 pm Before going to sleep I will vote

[VOTE: Wilgy] aubergine

The case is in my posts, but to say it again I see he is pushing and voting now for a new mischop after Bea, and his game behaviour changed after the second wolf flip because the wolves need now their full voice, also he pretend he didn't notice the locked votes today even if Sloonei's post is on the same page, less than 10 posts above.
Of course he will show how he pushed Quin, but i can see that as a well done distancing performance.

Quick- before you go to bed- how do you feel about sig?
Spark notes version

This page has been enlightening.

Golden is my deep deep wolf, but it’s so deep that I’d have to be smacked in the face with a fish repeatedly at f3 to want to push him over.

He says all the right things, and his suspicions don’t make for a lot of happy mafia teammates. If he is wolf, he distinctly plays his own game and takes off his gloves. I just…I don’t wanna see it

POE is getting smaller

Vivax wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 7:02 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 6:58 pm You have no idea how much hard work I was putting in to not make typos because I don’t see my own typos easily and I transpose letters often.
Your writing is good enough that you don‘t look dyslexic.
Either way, I don‘t plan to make fun of that.

You sure you don‘t have a rare case of the shining over there?

Too much work and no play and all that

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 6:53 pm
Vivax wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 6:39 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Thu Oct 27, 2022 7:09 pm Has @G-Man posted today?

@Elohcin did being close to lynch give you any insight

@Quin - no questions. But you do one major Scotty/eloh thing and it feels like you’ve been coasting ever since. I remember there was a game where I was mafia and I was false reading you as mafia, and you were far more reactive and defensive, feels like your approach to suspicion is to go quiet and hope I start looking elsewhere (don’t remember what game it was though) [VOTE: Quin] aubergine
This one maybe. Bit of a lukewarm accusation.
Really need to reread that entire day LoraB got zonked
No, I was all over him like a rash,

He was calling stuff ‘substantial’ that just wasn’t and absolutely wouldn’t elaborate on his reads.

He pushed into scotty/eloh to look busy at the exclusion of anything else.

There was plenty problematic on day one.

I will attest to this narrative and, after knowing the superior role utility that Quin had, I can see mafia trying to do the opposite of what Golden did D1.

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 4:45 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 4:34 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 4:11 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 3:19 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 2:14 pm For the record, when I have been mafia in the past my top priority has been distancing and so-called “anti-spew”, since my old Hyper Aggressive playstyle never lent itself to staying alive for very long.

Since I saw a mention or two of my mafia meta.
Do you think there’s another reason mafia would have killed SVS and not me last night?
What is your suggested reason for the mafia killing svs rather than you?
Well as I said in a previous post when Michelle asked, it could be that SVs was closed down a path than I was. The biggest divergence being her suspicious of Sloonei, and, to a lesser extent, you.

But the more I think about it, a more likely reason is to avoid Kate Break. I was probably the most obvious NK target. And I would expect Kate Break, if still in the game, to go for me last night.

I don’t expect to survive another night.

So it could literally be just a doc dodge of another high profile civ voice.
Or one of you and Sloonei needs more scrutiny.
I can’t imagine Sloonei thinking ‘I’m safe with Scotty’… if I’d been asked who was pursuing Sloonei most in the thread I would have said you long before saying SVS.

I also really think the tinfoil is noise getting in the way at this point. Towncore doesn’t need blind trust but I really think at this point ‘scotty surviving because Sloonei is bad’ is the least likely of about six reasons for the kill I can think of (Kate break being a prominent one).

Given the risk remains that you die tonight, I think your efforts being focused eksewgere would be much more productive.

I don’t think working through legitimate possibilities is noise and I’m sorry you disagree.

Based upon my sloonei tinfoil breakdown, I think I’m just psyching myself up too much. I feel like there’s so many logical hoops I have to jump through to start reading Sloonei as wolf. Like, the only sticking point (and one that SVS brought up) is that the GMan elimination vote wagonomics were bizarre if Sloonei is a civ. But that can be explained away with weird mafia motivations that don’t have anything to do with sloonei

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 4:11 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 3:19 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 2:14 pm For the record, when I have been mafia in the past my top priority has been distancing and so-called “anti-spew”, since my old Hyper Aggressive playstyle never lent itself to staying alive for very long.

Since I saw a mention or two of my mafia meta.
Do you think there’s another reason mafia would have killed SVS and not me last night?
What is your suggested reason for the mafia killing svs rather than you?

Well as I said in a previous post when Michelle asked, it could be that SVs was closed down a path than I was. The biggest divergence being her suspicious of Sloonei, and, to a lesser extent, you.

But the more I think about it, a more likely reason is to avoid Kate Break. I was probably the most obvious NK target. And I would expect Kate Break, if still in the game, to go for me last night.

I don’t expect to survive another night.

So it could literally be just a doc dodge of another high profile civ voice.
Or one of you and Sloonei needs more scrutiny.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 3:32 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 3:19 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 2:14 pm For the record, when I have been mafia in the past my top priority has been distancing and so-called “anti-spew”, since my old Hyper Aggressive playstyle never lent itself to staying alive for very long.

Since I saw a mention or two of my mafia meta.
Do you think there’s another reason mafia would have killed SVS and not me last night?
Is this question related to my post in some way that I'm not seeing?

I don't know why SVS was the kill target or why you were left alive. I have paid enough attention to do a deep dive kill analysis right now, and that is not usually my Thing anyway.

Yeah, it’s not really related at all. It’s like asking my ophthalmologist why it rains

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