The Syndicate

Sloonei wrote:I would like to say that this was one of the best and most memorable (and the longest by far) games I've ever played and I appreciate everyone who participated, and hope all the no-shows are doing well too. But also that this will he the last time anyone around here sees me in a game for a while. I hope to return and play some more when I have time (probably in January). I really enjoy this community, y'all are great and I'm sorry I have to go absent so soon.

Aww I know I'll miss you Sloons. Be well!

Long Con wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Long Con, how did you like Cobalt and I going after your bacon on Day 0/Day 1?

Hilarity.

Also hilarious that you jerks had to wait until you knew I was not going to be around to lynch me.

It's like you knew that, had I been around, I would have never let you vote me out. You know it's true. I don't blame you folks for taking the coward's way out. Too bad I didn't have to survive to win. My ghost literally saved S~V~S' life and subsequently secured our baddie win.

Next time, you'd better kill me so hard that my identity gets erased from the forum.

My Day 1 vote was a grudge vote from Flash. :P

My Day 1 case was fabricated as hell. I even backed off of TinyBubbles before you were lynched.

But hey, after a couple days, you still weren't looking so hot, so I figured I must be right.

OH yeah, I wasn't "looking so hot". You must mean the awesomely real cases that connected me to TinyBubbles, sig, Cobalt, or whoever the other player was that I had no connection to.

Every single case made against me was made up and wrong. The only people who can even come close to saying they had a legitimate case against me were the people who suspected me "on gut".

Golden wrote:

Oh, another thing LC - did you legitimately think I was on team webber, or were you thinking it was simply an advantageous feud?

I think we knew you were Indy at that point. By the way, we never targeted you for the kill on Night 2. We targeted Epignosis, and somehow it was redirected to you while you were protected. Just in case Scotty thinks he has great instincts for predicting the baddie team's kill... well, not that time. Pure, crazy luck.

Golden wrote:I have to admit, the Flash popped through my mind in that final day as I was thinking about the fact that whatever decision I made could determine whether LC/BR backed up and won another game together.

I still can't get over the fact that somehow every baddie team Bass is in wins.

Bass was Indy in Flash, not part of our team. This is the third game this year that Black Rock and I have gotten to a win together and basically brought Bass along for the ride. It's crazy!

Hah! Great instincts? Hardly. Considering I kept trying to save someone that wasn't even on my team?

But man, sounds like you had it all figured out. Can't wait to try and take you down a peg or two the best game we play. You seem like the guy that sits in your armchair in the lounge staring at the heads of game you killed on your safari, while smoking a pipe and murmuring to yourself, "yes, I did this."

Golden wrote:Ninja's songs were probably my favourite part of the whole game too.

And Scotty - it feels odd to say this after you've now really become part of the community - but it was nice to meet you and play with you. I love other people who really play the civilian side of things hard and try to work stuff out. I had a lot of fun working on the confusing puzzles with you.

Heh you too dude. I felt like it was all for naught but I love puzzles, and hope that it at least added to someone civ getting some clues. I liked your strategy of revealing stuff and yet keeping stuff to yourself, especially toward the end there. I'm interested to see how your gameplay changes when you're full-out for the civ cause.

I know you said you were actively campaigning for the civs this game, and it sure felt that way, but I can't help but think there might have been a different way about it mid-late game if you were a Warm-blooded civperson

nijuukyugou wrote:Okay I'm home from trivia now (couldn't resist checking in though...you people have ruined my actual real life social life :P )

I LOVED this game. I loved re-writing the songs. A friend of mine helped me pick and write the first one, since I'm a lot less familiar with Sondheim than other Broadway writers, and from there I did my homework and started listening to the songs and playing with lyrics myself (I felt so goofy, too, but in a good way). I'm glad other people seemed to enjoy them as well I'm also glad I got to exercise some actual civilian skills to the last day - it's something I've never been able to do since I usually get NK'ed in the middle of a game when I'm good. I knew I was probably being bamboozled in some way near the end, but it really was a crapshoot for me by the last lynch. I should go back to never trusting anyone, ever again, but I've said that before :P Win or no win, fabulous game, everyone! (And perfect timing before the long drive tomorrow). Congrats, winners!

GREAT job on these, ninja. It was so enthralling to read them and figure out which songs you were parodying!

Totally thought you were Bonnie and Clyde by even around Day 12. But no one was pounding it home, so it sounded like someone knew something or else read between the lines.


Not knowing the roles or functions threw me through a loop. MM's save confused me and made me think some weird Indie for sure.
DFaraday I didn't really suspect at all. I trusted Sloonei like he was my parent. That could have been bad, but turned out ok.
I KNEW either nutella or splints were bad, but couldn't deduce it before I died. Sorry nutella.
I was completely against lynching the MIAs since the other teams were so active, but honestly they were hurting the civs more than hurting. During the midgame, this is the case.

As SVS said, it helped in the late game to narrow down who was left, but midgame? Fuck that noise. (Or in this case, silence.)
Lack of role info and lack of participation from like 8 PEOPLE during one day was torture and I didn't know what to do.


Congrats to Team Wildhorn and the indies that won. You won fair and square

linki- @ Golden
that's fair. Gotta do what you gotta do to win. I see that Sloonei was the most confirmed civ.
I didn't anticipate you would be your own faction.

Golden wrote:And....

Who was responsible for the attemp on scotty on night 8... was it team wildhorn all along? MM was so obsessed with an unknown force, but I think it was just wildhorn.

Yes. That was Wildhorn.

Argh. What an agonizing loss. This game pulled at my heart strings. I have the answers to trivia on a doc at home because I love this shit.

I love musical theater, which is most of the reason I even came here. So it pains me that I died right before trivia, where I would have won something most likely. Ah well.

I think I matured in my mafia-life a lot through this game. Thank you Dom for hosting- I had a blast.

Golden wrote:I don't know why I survived the night 2 attempted kill. But I'm glad I did.

You're welcome.

I also saved Sloonei Day 3. And then, I got really pissed off because I started saving people in the order they were killed, but the day before they were killed. And I couldn't save the same person in a row.

Here's my save list:
N1- no one
N2- Golden (saved)
N3- Sloonei (saved)
N4- Golden
N5- Sloonei (It was 50/50 with FZ. FZ dies)
N6- timmer (wanted Sloonei, but can't protect 2 in a row, Sloonei dies)
N7- Golden (wanted timmer, but can't protect 2 in a tow, timmer dies)
N8- JJJ (my first pass)
N9- Epi (I dead)

Golden had me fooled. Thought he was civ early game for sure. Got me really curious why no one was killing him as we went on after Day 7 though.

The 2 times Dom had to correct a mistake and make people miraculously come back to life? He forgot about my save n2 on Golden, and forgot about my ability to survive a lynch on n9.

I thought I was doing a great doctor role early game, and then backed up and screwed it up after night 4.

Btw @Dom, why did no one kill on n4?

Sloonei wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:Because I was taking my fiancé out for dinner for his birthday.

It was really delicious.

wait a minute...

Yes, Spacedaisy and I brought along MP, and he ate our scraps.

Sloonei wrote:pretty sure that takes the cake for largest phone post i've ever made

Looks pretty average to me

Sloonei wrote:I want to be asked questions about things. Does anybody have questions for me?
is anybody here at all? I'll take up this whole dang page.

Oo oo me me! I have a question!
How does it feel to be alive right now???

Golden wrote: Also, to FZ and Scotty. Sorry. FZ could legitimately be Jekyll & Hyde. Given MM's interpretation of the Night 8 kill, I thought that I couldn't with 100% certainly call Scotty civ either. Sloonei was the person whose alignment I felt most certain of. That was the deciding factor for me. All of you I would have genuinely loved to see back.

At least you didn't bring back that Feline-friendly G-bro. He put up more of a campaign than I did, after all

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Gonna look into Hedgeowl. So many creepy quiet players in this game.

She sorta disappeared after Day 6. Most of her game was her dealing with the anxiety of catching up every time she'd come in. I had her as genuinely flustered all the time, and light civ. Probably on the play level of Tiny Bubbles except she didn't keep affirming that she was civ like Tiny was wont to do

I no longer suspect MM

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Another thing I noticed, Scotty has the exact same vote record as nutella with two exceptions.

1) Scotty did not vote for G-Man on Day 5 in G-Man's landslide lynch. Curiously, Scotty proposed that we accelerate the day phase due to G-Man being a runaway lynch. Votes were changeable that day, but Scotty didn't even bother to put his vote on G-Man in the process.
2) The day nutella missed the vote, Scotty voted FOR nutella. Nutella appeared to be silenced that day.



Now with all of these votes being placed on lynched players, this may just be coincidental as a result of similar playstyles and reactions. I think there may be something more there with the nutella/Scotty pattern though.

Scotty wrote:CASE 1)
I was reading light civ on ninja yesterday until those 2 hours before the deadline last night, when at least 4 people were confident on her being bad.
nutella and ninja have almost identical voting records. That's interesting to me. The only recordable difference is their Day 1 votes. The main evidential difference is how systematic and strategic ninja's looks.
Day 3- one of the last to vote for sig. Her entire sig suspicion was a blurb in one post Day 2, where she says there may be some merit to
Day 4- Broke the tie on GMan/LC to vote for LC.
Day 5- one of the last to vote for GMan.

Thanks for restating what I said yesterday, MM

1) As for my voting and wishing to speed up the vote, I still stand by that because I was growing impatient. GMan had basically showed his hand at that point. And that was a landslide. I was willing to bet no one was changing their votes.
2) As she said, she wasn't silenced, and that was also the time I got pinged from her and that's when I started tunneling hard on her.
3) I hate doing this on my phone. God help anyone attempting to quote specific posts on the phone.

OK thanks for the update Dom! I'm assuming it's at 10:30p est?

Hopefully I'm back from the movies. Going to see Inside Out tomorrow.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:What is MovingPictures07 doing in this game?

I have no idea what you're talking about.

Also, I hope Dom is ok

I know what I'm talking about!

He's listed in the living players list.

lol according to that list, SVS and Epi are dead, while Bullzeye and birdwithteeth (who??) are getting back massages in Maui

Metalmarsh89 wrote:What is MovingPictures07 doing in this game?

I have no idea what you're talking about.

Also, I hope Dom is ok

Dom wrote:The Trivia Game will go up tomorrow at 10:30 PM EST

I guess EST stood for "estimated"

By votes of course I mean *posts.

I would definitely like to hear a distinctive voice from DFaraday. He has been lurking in the shadows for a while now and I want to know who his biggest suspects are now that Cobalt and Bass are out

Getting in as much as I can in this limbo time before Dom wakes up

nutella wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

nutella wrote:JJJ has interesting thoughts on DF as well

Please highlight the thoughts you found interesting in a 5-minute span.

Okay, yes I skimmed it, because it came up while I was posting, but I chose to comment because I thought he was a good name to bring up and from my skim you had some good points about him regarding LC, his vote record, and his generally "safe" play so far (I really agree especially with that since he's totally blended in).

linki: well I admit I hadn't actually examined the actual vote order, I had just noticed that there was a big push for niju at the end but that bass was still lynched and I drew a false conjecture. Or the teammate saw that niju had suspicion and decided to go with the other popular suspicion to be safe. But again at this point I'm really not assuming that niju's bad, so this is all ridiculous speculation.

Faraday is an interesting one. He DOES have so few votes and I hadn't realized it before. Sloonei said something like Day 3 to the likes of "He doesn't post much, but when he does, it's helpful" then the next day went back on his notes and said something like, "Well, actually he hasn't been all that helpful come to think of it." He's been like the assistant to the assistant head coach of a football team. Backs up the most like-minded suspicions and yet shouldn't be on payroll.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I don't understand the assertion that people voted for Bass as a means of protecting ninja. The 2nd vote for ninja came after the 6th and final vote for Bass.

Maybe not protecting ninja, but as you said, opportunists. mafia recognizing a potential landslide could vote preemptively and still appear like they have an opinion.

Let's not forget about nutella, ladies and gents. Between splints and nutella is at least one mafia. I can just smell it.

Funny story about Andrew Lloyd Webber. I was once dining at the Chiltern Firehouse (lovely place, expensive as balls) in London and in walks ALW, by himself. I recognize him immediately by his stupid face and pompous gait. Sits down to read the paper. Orders tea. Tea comes, but it didn't have a lemon wedge. Blows up at the waiter, spewing little nuggets like " shite standards of service" and "lacking brain cells". People are trying to eat their duck confits and pretend that they don't hear this prick yelling about a missing lemon. He then gets up, and leaves. Didn't pay. Didn't wait for his lemon.

The guy's a class act.

Also, Andrew, if you're listening, don't kill me tonight. Thanks bae

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:i don't blame people for playing it safe during the night phase since it isn't default for dead players to be awarded wins around here. as long as Day 10 is a high-activity and thorough phase by everyone involved we should have a good chance.

Wouldn't get your hopes up on everyone getting involved. If you count Neverwhere and Hedgeowl to the latest MIAs, you've got 5 no-shows out of (most likely) 15 people left.
This is my 2nd ever online mafia game, but I've done live mafia a bunch and love the aspect of no one talking during night phases.
Other things I love: full participation of the group, smaller time limits on cycles, and the ability to watch others.

You're all just a bunch of pixels to me. Beautiful, deceptive pixels.

Was anyone silenced yesterday? If not, would it be farfetched to assume Cobalt (Parade) was the silencer? Leo Frank never really had a chance to speak up, and was basically slandered and framed, while his lawyer told him to remain silent.

And if the insanifier is still alive, it's going to be an even day tomorrow....so...

nutella wrote:God damn it


@Scotty: Can you explain why this makes you think either I or splints is bad? I don't understand the reasoning there. Suspecting Bass doesn't make me bad, it makes me a civ who misguidedly wanted to lynch someone who was acting suspicious as hell. But if you have legitimate reason to suspect Splints I'd be happy to pursue her further.

I am also happy with a Niju lynch tomorrow. I think it is likely that her teammates piled onto the Bass vote.

So I had based a lot of my suspicions primarily over the voting record, and then went back to people's posts to see what they said and why they voted. Bass was a Class A bandwagoner. As were you. The only time Bass voted independently from the group was for himself, and you. You called him out on Day 4, but voted insurance on LC instead of GMan or Bass.

Whats got me into trouble the past few days is my tunnel vision though. And I've been tunneling into you so hard as of late that I can't see day. I thought for a pinch that you had voted for Bass, but you never did until last night. I had it in my mind that you and he were bitter enemies and were on different teams based on how you guys accused each other. That is not the case and I apologize.

In regards to ninja, and this has been discussed slightly by other people, but I have a few cases while I'm tunneling on her:

CASE 1)
I was reading light civ on ninja yesterday until those 2 hours before the deadline last night, when at least 4 people were confident on her being bad.
nutella and ninja have almost identical voting records. That's interesting to me. The only recordable difference is their Day 1 votes. The main evidential difference is how systematic and strategic ninja's looks.
Day 3- one of the last to vote for sig. Her entire sig suspicion was a blurb in one post Day 2, where she says there may be some merit to
Day 4- Broke the tie on GMan/LC to vote for LC.
Day 5- one of the last to vote for GMan.

CASE 1.1)
Sig.

nijuukyugou wrote: I like [Sloonei's] sig case. I tend to get lost in large games with so many people to keep track of, especially near the beginning, and I'd forgotten about him. He's been weirding me out with the wishy-washy votes and posts, too.

nijuukyugou wrote:Crap. I lost track of time (I've kept up reasonably well today via phone, but I managed to get 3 pages behind in 8 hours. I'm going to trivia soon and I'm multitasking by studying up on The Big Lebowski for our loser pity round . I see many votes are on sig; I will go that way as well, today (I feel better about voting him than TBubbles). I like the cases presented on him from what I last read, and I had some bad feelings come from him, too. Sorry I'm not particularly articulate and for the drive-by vote.

sig wrote:Another drive by vote, *sigh* but I still say Nijukk is a strong town.
Timmer the mafia can silence I have never played a game were the town can.

Sig dies. Then ninja starts distancing herself from sig:

nijuukyugou wrote:Sloonei's first post analyzing connections to sig:
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 69#p154469
I like most of this analysis, mainly for the commentary for LC being bad in connection to LC.

The other one also caught my attention for analyzing sig's so-called reads on people:
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 89#p154489

I must comment on the last part for reasons. One is this, because it's driving me absolutely nuts:

sig wrote:0-10 10 highest 1 lowest
, nijuukyugou 5 she was less scum before her switching andthen saying she would just run and lynch

What in the name of god's green earth is this? I have done no vote switching this entire game. You see what happens to liars? :P I do like that sig tries to throw shade at me, calling me suspicious, then "hard civ" when he's on the way down, then wishy-washy'ing his way back to "suspicious." I see what you did there...well, kinda. Nice try.

Sloonei picks up on her lack of noticeable "pings" on sig by saying: "The inconsistency continues. If she was suspicious of sig for his Day 1 behavior, why is she not noticing/commenting on it until after he's been lynched?"
and her responses to Sloonei's interrogation of her were attempts to again distance herself from sig's "wishy-washy shade". She basically said she had a ping on him, but forgot to post about it..."I often end up reading pages of mafia posts at the ends of days and get pings as I read, but if I don't save the quotes that ping me or physically type out names as I go, I won't remember, but I'll remember how I felt when I do go back and look at people."
Very smooth, yet lacking substance.

CASE 1.2)
GMan.

nijuukyugou wrote:

Golden wrote:So I went back to look at timing.

Epi dies. Epi replaces in. Epi has (I think) only two posts - one where he says 'I know who killed me' and one where he says 'my suspicions haven't changed'. Then TGG asks to be subbed out.

I honestly think it's very consistent with someone who was part of a team that killed epi, that they killed them for cause, and was upset when he was able to sub back in and express the particular sentiments that he did. I think G-Man and LC are a team. I feel less sure that bubbles is, but she definitely could be.

Does it suck that someone subbing out on a matter of principle could sink a team? Yes. But this is why you should always keep your cool in mafia. I guarantee you, when people complain about things being unfair in this game, it's almost always mafia. Because they perceive it has harmed their chances. I don't think Epi's views necessarily held great weight, and I think the reaction to him subbing back in provides a whole lot more information about how important they believed killing epi to be.

This is a fascinating analysis and, since Epi seems to be silenced and absent, dare I say interesting thought process. I like the ideas posed here (about TGG perhaps getting frustrated and mafia getting frustrated in general). It's a bit of a stretch but entirely possible. However, I'd like to give G-Man the BOTD for today at least since he's a totally different player than TGG. We'll see how it goes.

nijuukyugou wrote:Yikes. Last time I checked, LC was way ahead of G-Man in votes, and now it's a tie? I'm not terribly surprised, given the number of people who've expressed suspicion of G-Man in the thread, but I thought we were avoiding this situation? Then again, as Sloonei has said several times, it's been a lot more quiet during this Day period. It's been nice for keeping up!

This is one of the weirdest mafia games I've played in a while, because I've been in agreement with the top cases almost every time. I probably should be more concerned about that than I am, but it does make it easier on me come voting time, and I guess I'll be more concerned if anything goes wrong this time around. I'm going to vote LC, because I've felt his baddiness since Day 1 and I've agreed with many of the cases and points brought up about him regarding this baddiness. I think the cases for G-Man being bad are pretty...er, good and I think voting for either will give us good info, but I gotta vote some way and LC's been on the chopping block for quite some time. I'm definitely still looking at Cobalt, too, especially since he's quieted down like crazy (hiding a bit?), but that vote would go nowhere today. So, voting LC.

Ninja doesn't post for 24 hours. Then, when GMan already has "the majority" for his fake ploy,

nijuukyugou wrote:

G-Man wrote:

TinyBubbles wrote:

G-Man wrote:Keep those votes coming!

happy to oblige
i knew there'd be a fair few votes on you but i didnt expect an avalanche

any last words gman?

Not yet. One more vote please.

Well, okay then

CASE 2)
Sloonei was killed by Webber. Who was Sloonei's top suspect before that? Ninja.
Could it be a frame? Ehh...the pattern Webber has been killing every night has me thinking no. (spoiler alert- they've been rather transparent):

Night 1- Epi. Now he called out LC and Cobalt. You could call this a frame for team Webber. Had some civ vibes early on.
Night 3 & 5- Sloonei, who was universally civ and had some good reads on some bad people.
Night 7- timmer, who had ninja ranked as high profile lynch candidate below BR. Read as civ by a lot of people.

CASE 3)
Sloonei suggested that mafia would want a member on both sides of the aisle for the PMs. Only Sloonei, me, FZ and ninja received the PM about Jason Robert Brown. (Still wondering when- and if- the right time to talk about it is) I had FZ as a civ read, as well as Sloonei, so that leaves ninja.
Minor point- when asked about the 1st night PM in a lineup of MM, sig, nutella, TH and ninja, ninja was the only one to respond, which appears helpful.



I now have tunnel vision turned on, and I want to vote for ninja tomorrow.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:Not lazy just super busy. If I die I think everyone should take a look at scotty, notice how he is always trying to bring up the people who arent around and dont post. It could be him trying to get people to vote the non posters and then he could kill the more vocal players. Its kinda a smart plan.

I WANT there to be more vocal people. That's kind of what I've been saying all along. Having non-posters hurts us more than it helps us for sure.
Me smart? I'm not that bright. I haven't had a math class since my sophomore year of high school and I only got into college because I was pretty.
Or something like that.

Someone like Bass seems like a good target for Wildhorn and Webber alike, because he has been participating, although minimally enough, (unlike about 5-6 people on the player list) that he could be a high profile civ role keeping a low profile.

It sucks. It really sucks, and this is purely speculation, and probably holds no bearing but if I were dealt a shitty role and knew I wasn't going to have that long to commit to a game, I would maybe be MIA too. Though that's mroe hypothetical because I would never just willingly leave a game after it started.I don't mean to judge absences in the game as a sign of alignment, but I feel like absences have been a big part of this one. I don't know what real life reasons have pulled those people from the game- hell, shit happens- I'm just saying objectively it's not a positive for civs.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Day 8 was a dumpster fire. Day 9 was a dumpster fire until the last two hours. Day 10 has to be better or this game is going to fall apart for town really quick. I don't just mean the results of the lynches -- I mean the inactivity and groupthink. I don't mean to be a jerk, I am just saying that stuff can't keep happening.

I will take credit for having tunnel vision the past few days. I apologize, and vow (if I survive tonight) that I'll do more listening. But groupthink was a big problem the past few days, and I'm totally receptive to other thoughts. The fact there was any traction on ninja towards only the last 2 hours tonight also makes me want to pull my hair out. Changeable votes are a gift. Why not vote early suspicions, instead of attempting to lock it down last second?

I'm still confident that one of nutella/splints is bad (though Splints backed off of Bass to an extent). Nutella was staunchly anti-Bass throughout the game, and I suspected her regardless of the Bass suspicions. Bass flipping good leads me to believe she is bad.
Ninja will get my full attention as well tomorrow, (should I still be alive)

That's 2 terrible reads in a row for me. I want to kill myself.

JJJ there's 2 minutes

Dom that time works for me!

Epignosis wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Golden wrote:The biggest reason I have for bass being bad?

Team 2 tried to get him lynched (eg BR) and when it hadn't succeeded they tried to NK him. I think they might have known something.

I sincerely hope Bass doesn't flip civ because that would honestly piss me off. Like a flirty girl leading me on at the bar, drunkenly suggesting I drive her home and then when we get there confessing she has a boyfriend and thanks for the ride, ya sap.
That's what it would feel like.

Also fun side note: Epi and I both have the same number of posts this game.

We do not.

Ah, you are correct, I'm sorry. I was looking at overall posts on this site. I have 4 less posts. So give me a few minutes and I'll get it back up to match.

Bass. Fashionably late as usual. Thanks for your input!

Golden wrote:The biggest reason I have for bass being bad?

Team 2 tried to get him lynched (eg BR) and when it hadn't succeeded they tried to NK him. I think they might have known something.

I sincerely hope Bass doesn't flip civ because that would honestly piss me off. Like a flirty girl leading me on at the bar, drunkenly suggesting I drive her home and then when we get there confessing she has a boyfriend and thanks for the ride, ya sap.
That's what it would feel like.

Also fun side note: Epi and I both have the same number of posts this game.

Epignosis wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Note that Bass has not voted to save himself.

That means nothing to me besides that he's lazy, like usual.

I don't agree. I've been on a team with Bass before.

...and...?

Epignosis wrote:Note that Bass has not voted to save himself.

That means nothing to me besides that he's lazy, like usual.

Bah. The fact that 4 people seem pretty convinced ninja is worse than Bass is scaring me.

Epignosis wrote:

Scotty wrote:At this point we're getting awfully close to that dreaded tie. Please at least don't make it a tie.

Also Epi, you know I'm kidding, right? Hell, I'm more surprised that I got a rise out of you more than anything.

It's not a rise. I don't know who is kidding and who isn't. The schtick from people is old, and I'm tired of explaining why it isn't a joke. It was a one-time specific thing I found suspicious. And I was right.

People should leave it be.

If you can joke with 60% of your posts in this game, then I feel entitled to at least have a little fun as well. Although if you feel it's personal, then I won't bring it up again, cause I don't want to get personal

At this point we're getting awfully close to that dreaded tie. Please at least don't make it a tie.

Also Epi, you know I'm kidding, right? Hell, I'm more surprised that I got a rise out of you more than anything.

Here's a question for you, JJJ. Why did you vote Bass (the last to vote btw) right before the deadline, and now before the deadline want to go anti-Bass?
I mean, you knew Bass wasn't getting lynched yesterday by placing a vote making it 2-6, and now you're just interested in making the EOD interesting.

BTW EPIGNOSIS HE SAID "INTERESTING"!! TRIGGER WARNING!!!!

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Scotty wrote:the lazy ones are the ones that really could swing either way, but Bass seems too lazy with his responses to make me feel like he's a benefit to civs

are you interested in lynching people who are "not a benefit to the civs" or people who are "not civs"?

Both. Preferably the later, obviously. But that's the problem with laziness. And the fact that I don't know how he normally plays because I don't know you people.

My big concern with voting Bass (and it doesn't look like I'm going to change my vote) is that he has been lazy. And that he could be just this lazy, willy-nilly voter at the end of phases kind of civ bugs the hell out of me.

the lazy ones are the ones that really could swing either way, but Bass seems too lazy with his responses to make me feel like he's a benefit to civs

Sorry, Canuckle should be a she. My mistake!!!

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:lemme get some stances from y'all. we've had a number of replacement players enter this game and a few of them (including me) have really not been read by anyone else (when i say "read" i mean the stance kind). i'd like to see people tell me what think right now about:

JJJ
Epignonsis 2.0
Canucklehead
S~V~S 2.0

OK, nothing too in depth, but off the top of my head right now:
JJJ: From your reads and attempt to be the stand-in for Sloonei with thorough, committed ISOs, I read you as civ right now. You have one vote away from Cobalt which honestly looks good right now, but there's more game to be played.
Epi: I'm going to preface that I read Epi 2.0 as indie. Epi's had some pretty good reads on both sides of the aisle. Caught both a Webber and Wildhorn mafia member, without bandwagoning. Then he has some moments of mystification that make me want to chug some Everclear and cinch my belt 2 notches too tight.
Canuckle: A light civ read on canuckle. Hasn't raised any red flags for me. But haven't really looked into him much at all. Will do that tonight.
SVS: I like her not adhering to the status quo since she's been here. Has had her own voice ("in the darkness" as you call it) and I'm reading light civ, but still need to see some of her votes materialize with results until I make a definitive judgment call.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Are all of the Bass voters totally resigned to that vote? Or are we going to field a discussion of any other potential moves? The votes just continue to be tacked on to him so safely and it's not a great way to learn anything. hopefully it's a mafia flip.

Totally resigned? No. But actually the main reason I am voting for Bass today is because I will learn something. Now it's a gamble, as Cobalt's vote was. Except Cobalt's vote served the purposes of 1) eliminating someone who was a catalyst for confusion and 2) hopefully his turning bad which would help me pin people that were staunchly stand-offish.

I've stated elsewhere what I will glean from Bass if he flips bad or good. Obviously I do want him to flip bad, but if he doesn't, I have it in my head that one of nutella/splints is definitely bad.

Inb4 Bass shows up 30 minutes before the deadline to tell everyone he's civ

Also ninja, just based on tone, seems too cool in the pocket right now.
But I'm not basing my vote today entirely on tone.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:i have a bit more time to be thorough now. we have the makings of a Bass landslide vote, so i am going to look into his posts to ensure that i am comfortable with that. the Cobalt lynch of the last day phase proceeded much too easily, and the fact that it's happening again this phase with Bass is a little disconcerting.

If a 4 vote tally is a landslide then sure.

If you can convince me that someone is more pressing than Bass right now, then I'd definitely consider changing my vote. But JJJ just placing votes for the sake of placing votes is not necessarily a good idea. Put your votes wherever, just please don't make it a tie.

Also I don't understand people's trepidation in casting votes early in these changeable vote days. There's like 6 votes cast right now? It gives people an idea of who is in the suspicion mix. Sloonei suggested that like day 4 and I tend to agree.

fingersplints wrote:Bass absolutely could be on Team Webber. I was willing to reconsider my original pings on him , but I don't think he has acted any less suspicious over time.

I don't understand what you mean here. Your original pings were of him being bad, right? Did you mean to say he hasn't acted any more suspicious?