The Syndicate

And Rico, we didn't realllly want you to go, because you were practically our cheerleader early on when Draco and LC started coming down from the attic, so to speak.

But knowing you, you could figure it out eventually and turn it right around against us. Your death really was a decision based on how active you were and how your reads could lead everyone astray. Really, your downfall is that you are a good player.

Elohcin wrote:My little breakdown was sincere though. I did have a lot of time on my hands for this game and I was doing ISOs for the first time really and "helping" and I was still looked at b/c of a conversation that BR and LC had in bed? I was a little upset at that.

When did LC discuss his pillow talk?

Ricochet wrote:Lame.

Congrats you two, but whoever killed me, welcome to my Death Notebook. My elimination served your purpose well, but there will be consequences the next time I am villain, SK or vigi.

From the sidelines - Eloh turning defensive the past cycles sealed it for me that she is up to no good. As for Scotty, him gradually imposing himself as the top ISO'er, susser and such started giving me second thoughts, but other than that, I didn't get anything on him.

Playing this was a complete mistake, from my viewpoint, given most of the civs' in-thread "performance", but what can you do - shoutout to Draco, otherwise, killer instincts there, even if it didn't work in my case and I had still suspected you more than others anyway, d'oh.

Shit personal gut/breadcrumb reads + mislynching (twice!) + half the field being inactive almost every Day + each daily top wagon hardly putting up a fight or even showing up until EoD = no good. LC, for instance, had better instincts regarding Scotty, but he left the probing cold, despite my inquiries.

I've never seen the Notebook, and I hope I never have to.

Draco was a thorn in our side from the start, but we had him figured out by Day 2 because of how inactive the town was.

This really was a nightmare for town due to the low activity, and we got super lucky with WIlgy going out Day 1. Otherwise, if everyone had just claimed early on, we could have been screwed, since info-dumping and role claiming were allowed.

Thanks for the game Epi!

This was a game of firsts for me:

-My first time ever being mafia
-My first time ever winning a game on this site

I could really get used to this whole baddie thing.


Also, I want to apologize to sprityo- I hope my zoning on you made more sense now, and that nothing was personal. I do hope to play more games here with you in the future! Your suspicions were right in the end, after all

My favorite part was when the family had enough of Kevin on the first day and instead of leaving without him, they killed him. That was my favorite part.

We hurt 'em real good this time, didn't we Marv?
No good for nothing kid took advantage of us THIS time!

I sure hope we made the right choice

LC, are you Leslie? Because we have this one shored up if so.

sprityo wrote:Whoa a forth post!

No but if you think I'm mafia then who am I partnered with? Partnered with DF? Like seriously.

I have no connection or interaction to ANYONE besides Scotty, so take that into account here.

You would have to be assuming the biggest bussing ever. It just doesn't make sense in the slightest

You realize how desperate you look? You know that Enrique was modkilled right? It was really between you and either Enrique/Elo/DFaraday.
DFaraday claims, no one refutes. Elo claims, no one refutes. If LC refutes one of them, then I'd be down for a lynch of that person.

You have basically been a fly on the wall all game man, and now that Enrique is gone and we still haven't lost, well, I think that's pretty telling.

Voting sprityo.

sprityo wrote:I'm here

And the reason I have been waiting for scotty's claim, is because I am buzz

OH good, I'm glad you finally came out to play, man. And it's unfortunate, because the reason I haven't been answering is because I've been waiting on you to out yourself as such. And you've just made a crucial error.

I am Buzz, but thanks for playing man!

@Elo, what role are you, if I may ask?

Wait what just happened?! Did we just lose?

Sprityo: Misses all of Day 1, so no info there. Wilgy dies, and sprityo Immediately blames himself and says that he should die. A bit of an overreaction, methinks.

Into Day 2, he makes some cursory claims that

Longcon and Rico are not aligned.

Which, as it turns out, is not true, and is unsubstantiated.

MM is either a bandit and Wilgy was sifting it OR MM was a guess vote since Wilgy did get a guilty on someone else. And who better to guess than your friend? If all else fails though, MM is just a misplaced town that people jumped on over a speculation that we can't confirm 100%

This assumption, while also wrong, made sense in the scheme of the thread, and did in fact appear like good info. So no faulting here.

If anything I'm interested in Scotty.

Never expands on this.

After I harp on him for not being around to so much as check in or lay into anyone at that point, after the mislynch of MM and right before the end of Night 2, he comes back with an apology:

Scotty is right, in that i havent been in the zone yet (this is a pretty fast paced game tbh, not my norm)

also the Day 0 vote was??? not anything? literally was nothing

and yes holiday season and all, i'm gone literally most the day for snow activities (since yknow it hasnt actually snowed more than 6 inches in texas in the past 10 years or so)

also yeah scotty basically summarized what i said in my prior post, essentially.

i mean im not the ONLY person who's not really here yeah?

also someone explain to me why they want enrique is getting some flak because i literally cant see anything besides he made one post and he just has been gone since then?

let me see: yeah no, out of the two posts he made, there is like zero info besides glancing at Scotty and LC.

Missing from this post is any reads on anyone, except his confusion as to why Enrique is getting votes.

He then reads my post where I quip that I didn't understand one of his points, and he gets aggravated enough to leave and come back when he feels like it. How convenient.

Then Rico dies, he asks why mafia would have killed Rico, without offering speculation himself. Afterward he says he feels better about me for apologizing to him, and slinks back into the darkness until after llama is misynched on Day 3- a lynch he did not vote in. How convenient.

He then starts to buckle down with some actual reads and opinions on people, which is welcome! A little late, but welcome!
He:
-finds himself agreeing with the llama suspicion.
-wants to hear more from LC on the assumption that llama and I were on a team, but otherwise null read from LC and DF
-does end up speculating on Rico's death, which leads him to suspecting me and Draco on a team together.
-gives Elo the benefit of the doubt for her upset post before as well as her bad reads as a reasoning for mafia conditionally keeping her alive

He ends it with calling out Draco for being

kinda bandwagon-y and hiding in the back in my opinion.

Calling the kettle black, aren't we though?

He brings up the possible lylo scenario, which is a very true thing to be worrying about, and he would be "damned surprised" (which coincidentally is how I worded it too lol) if I didn't die last night. I fully think if Draco hadn't claimed Doctor too early, I would have had a paint can hit me in the face.

At the start of today, when Draco dies, he brings up DF and Enrique as people to vote for, even though he hadn't mentioned them before as candidates. He then takes it back and asks me to roleclaim, and just me. Why isn't he roleclaiming?

The last thing he posted a breakdown read of LC, though the doctor said he saved him N1. Honestly sprityo could have missed Draco saying that, but then apologizes with:

sprityo wrote:Yknow I totally was reading LC as Llama so that is a bad on my part

which makes absolutely no sense as Llama is dead.

My take: sprityo was absent in Day 1, but since the votes were so spread out, why would he need to be? His presence in the thread since then has been just enough to let us know that he's here, but isn't making any strides to produce any productive reads on people. He has never pushed Enrique or Elo in to the line of fire. His posts recently have been really messy and not thought-out. Suddenly dishing out reads seems like he is looking to appear more involved, but is getting nowhere. That recent "LC is bad" read, which turned into "oops I was talking about llama" thing has me scratching my head, since I'd much sooner understand a carrot talking to me.
I see several scenarios if he is bad: I think an Elo pairing is likely, but I also think that it could be as much a DF/Enrique thing too (though probably more Enrique). If Elo is also bad, then we're probably already boned if the inactives don't show for the vote.

Right now, in both scenarios, I think sprityo is bad.


But I want to know what @LC thinks of this, as well as what I wrote about Elo. Either way, I'm very tired and am going to bed. I would very much NOT LIKE TO LOSE TOMORROW kthnx.

Elohcin: General play talk Day 0, not much to read into.
End of Day 1, votes for DFaraday because she didn't like his self-vote. Nothing else caught her eye.

After Wilgy is lynched, she proposes knowledgable intent behind Wilgy's vote for MM, and votes for MM as such.

She banters with LC, claiming she thinks he is civ.

Day 2, she feels better about Drac after he explains his vote, and postures a team with either me/llama or llama/DF, since llama and I both voted Enrique, but llama was not in the thread.

I think we are dealing with at least one baddie who is lying low and Llama has that going for his case.

Like Rico and I, she was readily looking at inactives as a place for a baddie to hide. From this, she settles on llama and throws in DF in too (though I'm not sure why him).

She ISOs llama, and from what she gathers, she determines he was tunneling Enrique and was just voting enough to get by- enough to vote for.
She ISOs DFaraday, who has as many posts as I have balls. She says this isn't suspicious, and he's probably civ.
She ISOs sprityo, and comments that he has only summarized all game and given original content, and he's probably bad.
She ISOs me, and determines that although nothing "elaborately pings" her, something about me just seems "off", and her opinion is ??? about me.

I don't agree with her perception of DFaraday, though I can see why she thinks it.
I agree with her about sprityo, but I'll get to his ISOs in a bit.
I would have liked her to comment more on her lean towards me, because IMO if you can express that someone seems "off", you can put into words at least partially why. This seems wishy washy.


She says she wants to do an ISO on Draco after Rico felt suspicious of him, but decides to "take a break" a couple hours later. She never does ISO Draco.

Day 3, after Rico is killed, she delves into Rico's posts to determine a motive to kill him, links one post and says that he was looking at Draco/llama, but since Draco was talking more, that llama was more suspicious.

So she only links one post to pull info from, and from that post, leaves out his opinions of herself, LC, me and sprityo. How convenient.

Then she responds to LC's opinion that it fits her meta that she seems happier in games where she is civilian, by throwing a wall of text that is quite defensive. She gets testier than the SATs.

After LC votes for Llama, she does as well, saying he was her #1 suspect as well.
Draco and LC jump on her demeanor and she then blows up like 40 pounds of C4, where she feels unappreciated and let down.
A bit of an overreaction, I think.

My read: Aside from her freakout, nothing has seemed overtly off. She followed through with her votes with reasoning behind it.
If she is bad, I can see her freakout coming from a frustrated baddie who knows she's been caught.

Now that we're down to really 4 total contributors including myself, where LC is cleared as civ, she is a definite candidate for one of the mafia members.

Will hoppefully be able to do sprityo's ISO tomorrow noon. We need to buckle down and determine which is the best candidate to vote out, because while I still think one of Enrique/DFaraday is bad, we NEED to go on what info we have so far.

sprityo wrote:I mean if that's our surpreme override for it, which I can accept. Then who is pulling the mafia strings?

You tell me. It's either you or Elo IMO. Posting my thoughts on Elo in a sec.

Dammit. Dammit dammit dammit.

sprityo wrote:Well well, in the toss up. I'm willing to put aside scotty for something between Enrique and DF.

I'm not above lynching longcon either. Yea I did say "I lean town" but that's not me saying "you're a precious cinnamon roll too pure for this world." In all reality it's more of DF or Longcon since Enrique has nothing we could possibly hope to build against him besides afk

Tbh man, you and Elo are on even terms with me. I'm finishing up Elo's ISO tonight, and will do yours as well, but at this point, LC is all but cleared as civ.
The doctor saved him N1. What kind of mind games would Mafia want to play by sneaking a fake kill N1? Come on man.

My day has been ridiculously busy- I'm running behind on my ISOs, womp womp.

sprityo wrote:@scotty would you be willing to answer for lylo/mylo?

Things to note: it's mylo tomorrow unless doctor saves/mafia doesn't night kill for whatever reason

In reality they would want to target someone who is here to contribute.

And I'll be DAMNED surprised if they don't kill Scotty or longcon. (I'll bet you some smash coins Scotty lives for tomorrow*)

*not really, but I'm like so sure

I would maybe be willing depending on who dies tonite. Plus if I do die tonight, like you claim, then you will know exactly who I am.

Draconus wrote:LC/Draco pairing, Scotty?
LC is the only person I trust because I protected him on Night 1. I protected Rico on Night 2, but unfortunately for him I was blocked. So yeah, I've been agreeing with LC because he's made sense to me. Obviously he's been wrong, but we're both a bit misguided. Not anymore.
Why do I bring this up now? I was blocked last night. I've been figured out, so I think it's obvious who I will be protecting tonight. Sorry to whomever else they target.

Wow. I actually really hope that you can protect yourself man, if that is what you are implying. Now that makes sense why you seemed to trust everything LC said. Unless you aren't really who you say you are and are baiting us. And I don't think you are. But- If you think you had been figured out from being blocked, why didn't you let us know yesterday before we lynched Llama?

I just found this and it made me lol:


I'm leaving out Enrique and DFaraday because frankly there's not much to go on with them. In a different circumstance, I would be down for flipping a coin on them, but I think we can rally here.

And I'ma be DAMNED surprised if I make it to the next day, for the record.

Draconus: Missed Day 1 entirely. Says he would have voted Wilgy because even though he suspected Enrique, he didn't want to vote him due to a prior game.

In Day 2, he claims not to have a one-track mind and voting MM. Admits that even though MM is usually more subtle as a baddie, he "just can't shake" Wilgy's vote for MM.

When MM was lynched, he says it wouldn't have mattered if he had switched his vote at that point.

But he did no service convincing the pack otherwise that MM could have been a red herring by Wilgy. I'm not sure if it should be considered sincere or not, since he really made no move, and he "kept checking in to see if anyone else had moved, and they did not. So [he] didn't either. Yes, a vote for Enrique would have tied the vote, but [he was] still not comfortable voting for him yet."

This is like watching someone who is writhing around on fire begging for help, and sitting back going, "Well, someone will come save him!"

And giving Enrique another day off, because he was afraid it would have probably just been "a tie between two civs". On the surface, this empathically makes sense, because if he has nothing to go on and nothing to add besides what the pack said, then why endanger a possible civ? If he doesn't believe one or the other to be bad, then what's the use of being a tag-along vote for a probably civ?

This just seemed like a lazy vote to me. To not have conviction for a person but vote for him anyway comes off as a fly-on-the-wall voting. Not necessarily baddie-leaning, but a lazy vote nonetheless.

Draconus wrote:I understand why I look bad to you. I can't really defend my actions/comments more than I already have without sounding like a broken record. But I don't think any of the MM voters are bad. I think LCs point is sound and that we should be looking at everyone else. Easy for me to say, I know, but I believe llama and Scotty are our best bets. I will most likely be voting for one of them in the next Day phase.

OK, so he sort of responded to Rico's criticism of his MM vote. But he then pushes away the MM voters (LC/Elo/Rico/himself) from the limelight and pushes it back on me and llama.

Fast forward to today, where he votes llama...for no apparent reason other than LC and Elo voted llama in a row. In the same post where he says he's voting llama, he brings up Elo's response striking him as odd, asking LC for his opinion, saying that

Draconus wrote:the tone and substance of her responses made me second guess my desire to vote for llama. Still thinking on this

And, like MM's vote, he doesn't vote for her, and keeps it on llama.

My read: He's pretty wallflowery. The pattern for both day 2 and 3 is: lazy vote, talk about voting someone else, but not committing to it, and 'aw shucks'ing when the player he voted along with the group on was a civ. He doesn't look good to me right now.


I'm still going with my reads and will have to finish up tomorrow- it's 3am and I'm tired. Up next is Elo-LC-sprityo.

I'll be back in about 4 hours with some ISOs most likely.

We celebrated a family Thanksgiving dinner tonight because we all missed each other last month. Then we're watching a movie.

sprityo wrote:As an actual question, scotty, if I asked you if you were buzz, would you be willing to answer?

Also (ahh these days are so short!)

tbh I would rather not say yet. We're getting a little short handed, and to claim so would be a bad idea imo.

OK. That sucked donkey dicks. Sorry Llama.

Reading back the past hours today, I see Elo had a bit of a freakout, holy crap. Like, did she blow a gasket? I don't really see LC throwing a lynching party, so...

She's more on my radar for that. She and sprityo both.

sprityo posted in other threads, and did not vote today. What gives?

And if I didn't know any better, I'm starting to get fish eyes with a possible LC/Draco pairing. When was the last time they didn't agree on something?

Literally any of you could be bad. And you know what's making it even harder to nail the bandits? Do I even need to say it? OK, here it is: Lack of participation. If we had more discussion from half of the town, maybe we could have caught someone by now. The timing of this game during the holidays is doing us no service.

@Epi can we get replacements if the other players don't want to play?


When my family leaves tonight I will have some time to better analyze every person that has talked to get a better grip on whom we should lynch tomorrow. Because this is getting ridiculous.

Voted llama, I hope it's the right choice.

Will check back in when I'm done with the family gathering we're doing

Ricochet wrote:It's oh so quiet shhh shhh

Not a creature was stirring, not even a mafia.

I apologize but my participation will be sparse today- as I'm sure most people are similarly experiencing. But since this is a 24 hour cycle, I will make sure I get a vote in before the deadline.

My top candidates today are 2 people that have posted slightly but just enough to show face. I will hopefulyl expand on why I am suspicious of these people as we get closer:

-sprityo: said he may come back to share opinions, but until then hasn't really added anything to the discussion. I'm actually feeling worse about him the more i think about it. He has checked in enough that it tells me he at least has enough time to give more cursory reads than his soft predictions in Day 2 (of which I questioned a few things and he hasn't answered).

-Llama: he hasn't posted in the night ever (does he normally do that?) and when he does post in the day, it's about 2-3 posts that have much to be desired in terms of reads. His most recent was an immediate vote against Enrique, with a "will you guys listen to me and vote Enrique now" and I'm listening but all I hear is hot air and sweet sweet nothings.

thellama73 wrote:Elohcin is probably bad too. Voted for MM and had a crazy insincere "oh I wonder why anyone would kill Rico" post.

Of the MM voters, do you think Elo is the most suspicious?

sprityo, I want to go back on a couple things, whenever you want to read through the thread, if you'd be so kind:

Longcon and Rico are not aligned. Either that or I don't understand their jumping on each other?

Is this still the case?

sprityo wrote: @scotty, your niceties have softened my opinion.

Also it isn't snowing in Texas I think, we drove to New Mexico

I'm glad to have softened it, but I still want to know why you were interested in me the first place:

If anything I'm interested in Scotty.

I thought New Mexico was just sand, dirt and cacti? Kinda like my yard



I've been thinking about it and I may hold off on voting no-shows for now- the main reason being the mafia got a kill in last night. This means there is at least 1 active member. I really want to nab them before they run the gamut. But be assured that I think the other lies in the muck of Inactiveland (tm).

Long Con wrote:You agree with Llama about Enrique?

I guess so. I would agree that I would possibly vote for Enrique, though I'm not sure Llama's exact reasoning and mine are the same.

RIP RIco!

thellama73 wrote:Will you guys listen to me and vote for Enrique now?

Welcome back, llama.

Do you always abstain from posting during the night time?

I'm all for possibly voting for Enrique, but why him above the others?

sprityo wrote:Scotty is right, in that i havent been in the zone yet (this is a pretty fast paced game tbh, not my norm)

also the Day 0 vote was??? not anything? literally was nothing

and yes holiday season and all, i'm gone literally most the day for snow activities (since yknow it hasnt actually snowed more than 6 inches in texas in the past 10 years or so) Wait wat it's snowing in Texas? That sounds awesome!

also yeah scotty basically summarized what i said in my prior post, essentially.

i mean im not the ONLY person who's not really here yeah? You aren't. You're just one of those that haven't, and you're being lumped slightly into that mold. But I'm saying that I feel better about you than the others who haven't been here at all.

also someone explain to me why they want enrique is getting some flak because i literally cant see anything besides he made one post and he just has been gone since then?

let me see: yeah no, out of the two posts he made, there is like zero info besides glancing at Scotty and LC.

also i'd like to bring up:

sprityo wrote: MM is either a bandit and Wilgy was sifting it OR MM was a guess vote since Wilgy did get a guilty on someone else. And who better to guess than your friend?

preview edit: ouch scotty that hurt.

Speculating isnt my strong suit. what i dont get is you attacking me, for what information i can give? like why so aggro on me? I forget that we haven't played a game together, and so I apologize if I come off as attacky. It's not meant to be an attack, more of a prod. I'm sorry if it felt like that

linki: ok

My responses in bright-as-the-sun-pink:

Elohcin wrote:Scotty -

37 posts.

Day 0 - Right off the bat, he seems to claim the role of Buzz but could be just joking around since it was Day 0 and because other posts he had on this day were jokey. He acts surprised at Wilgy's vote for MM.

Day 1 - He starts out his first post on this day with the words, "All joking aside." He says he wants to hear from some people and then exclaims that his only ping is Wilgy for voting MM. Does this mean he knows MM was good? Dr. Wilgy's post surely suggest that he and MM were on opposite alignments, but we've found that they were both civ. So I am having a hard time wrapping my mind around what was going on in Wilgy and Scotty's heads at this time.I never know if MM is good or bad, that's always my problem with his gameplay. My ping for Wilgy was in response to how he has acted the past 2 times we played together, where he immediately teamed up with MM. This time he did not, and it threw me off.

Scotty wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:MM is my friend but we must duel to the death, so him

PULL

Whaaaaaa? A game in which you and MM don't declare teammates on each other? Blashpemy.

Scotty wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Lol, why did I ping? I am MM's friend this is true, but we must fight to the death for the greater good. Only one shall be left standing!

Why is that the case?

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Like me, Scotty doesn't understand LC wanting to withhold info.

He thinks DF vote for himself is just a placeholder but says if DF doesn't come back soon, he might think otherwise.

Is concerned by low posters

Votes Wilgy for being the first on his radar.

Night 1 - Talks mostly about the peek.

Day 2 -
Excited for no death and thinks it's more likely the Doctor has something to do with it than a missed PM.

Thinks withholding info from thread is not a good idea.

Wants to hear from DF, Drac, Sprit, and Llama. But also mentions a suspicion on Enri b/c of a drive by vote and then being absent.

Talks with Drac about Enri.

Has a back and forth with MM a bit about knowing if MM is telling the truth or lying. Then the same with LC and not being able to tell if his post thoughts are true or fake.

Scotty then mentions DF again and wonders why he isn't posting/responding. And he then mentions that he is unsure about his thoughts on MM.

Again says DF is a top suspect b/c he knows he is active elsewhere on the syndicate. Also suspicions of Enri but feels better by Sprit's coming into the thread (even though all he did imo is recap )

Lastly Scotty goes against Drac. He also recaps his suspicions and how they haven't changed much. He says lack of participation is bringing us down.To expand on this, if we don't catch a baddie soon, they have a very good chance to bring us down, because mafia will keep picking apart the talkers. That is my thought process.

Whew, that was a long ISO for me. Um, nothing really elaborately pings me. Scotty seems like a misguided civ maybe. Not that I disagree with all that he has to say, but something things are a little off imo. I don't understand what was going through his mind in the MM/Wilgy situation. I hope I explained that. As I read back through it, if I didn't know better, I would still think the wilgy was trying his hardest to tell us that MM was bad. And that Scotty was unsure of that make me a little unsure of him. But then again, he was the one who was right. So, I don't know. I would love to hear other opinions on this ISO.

Elohcin wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Elohcin wrote: I suppose after doing these ISOs, even though they were quick and easy, I think DF is probably not bad. I think he seems like a civ who just doesn't care about the game he said he would play. I know this happens. I think Sprityo is more likely to be bad. He is not absent but lying low. He is careful not to give his opinions but only recap.

You voted for him Day 1 for self-voting, and he never explained his position, so we're just presupposing his intentions at this point. To the lay observer, it would appear he just isn't invested, which is understandable. But it could be the blendiest way to blend as well. It's like saying 'honey, I'm running to the store' and returning home 4 days later sporting a bloody lip, cowboy boots and a cape, while apologizing with, 'sorry I ran into traffic'. And we're supposed to go, 'oh of course, dinner's ready!' Like, I want to believe that he's just busy, but he's still been ACTIVE on the site elsewhere. Like wtf.

Sprityo has started contributing as of day 2, but only the minimal amount, which tells me that he is indeed playing the game, but not to the extent that has laid into anyone. Meaning he hasn't gotten on anyone's bad side as of yet; pretty safe.

I understand what you're saying about DF. I've also seen players sign up and just not play and then turn out to be civs. It really could go either way. If he is really invested in this other game he is playing, maybe he doesn't want o wrap his mind around both. Like I said, could be either or. As for Sprit, don't you think that its weird that he is now getting involved but isn't stating any of his own opinions but only recapping what has gone on like none of the rest of us have been here?

I think sprityo could definitely afford some more original thoughts, yes.

sprityo wrote:Also I forgot I wanted to say this:

Doctor saved someone last night and knows it, and so do Mafia. Or mafia NK'd because ????

I'm not even sure what this means.

'THE SKY IS BLUE OBVI OR MAYBE ITS GREEN ??? '

Thats how I read that.

He also still hasn't said why he is "interested" in me. I mean, I like the attention, but I'm not into dudes.

Draconus wrote:I understand why I look bad to you. I can't really defend my actions/comments more than I already have without sounding like a broken record. But I don't think any of the MM voters are bad. I think LCs point is sound and that we should be looking at everyone else. Easy for me to say, I know, but I believe llama and Scotty are our best bets. I will most likely be voting for one of them in the next Day phase.

Draconus wrote:You seem very certain that the baddies aren't using their abilities. Why assume this?

Not to defend llama's comment regarding looking at the MM voters, but why assume they are not bad?

I think LCs point is sound and that we should be looking at everyone else.

LC didn't say that we should be looking at everyone else:

Long Con wrote:Sorry, Marsh! Ok, Scotty and Llama are my top suspects now. Baddies knew Metalmarsh was going to flip Civ, and avoided voting him. Llama already said he's going after Metalmarsh voters if he flipped Civ.

More specifically, he said he suspects me and llama.

But I'm all for looking at everyone else, like you contend. You realize that includes: sprityo, DFaraday and Enrique, right?
What is your read on those 3, @Draconus?

Elohcin wrote: I suppose after doing these ISOs, even though they were quick and easy, I think DF is probably not bad. I think he seems like a civ who just doesn't care about the game he said he would play. I know this happens. I think Sprityo is more likely to be bad. He is not absent but lying low. He is careful not to give his opinions but only recap.

You voted for him Day 1 for self-voting, and he never explained his position, so we're just presupposing his intentions at this point. To the lay observer, it would appear he just isn't invested, which is understandable. But it could be the blendiest way to blend as well. It's like saying 'honey, I'm running to the store' and returning home 4 days later sporting a bloody lip, cowboy boots and a cape, while apologizing with, 'sorry I ran into traffic'. And we're supposed to go, 'oh of course, dinner's ready!' Like, I want to believe that he's just busy, but he's still been ACTIVE on the site elsewhere. Like wtf.

Sprityo has started contributing as of day 2, but only the minimal amount, which tells me that he is indeed playing the game, but not to the extent that has laid into anyone. Meaning he hasn't gotten on anyone's bad side as of yet; pretty safe.

Draconus wrote:

Ricochet wrote:Damn. Sorry, MM.

Long Con wrote:Sorry, Marsh! Ok, Scotty and Llama are my top suspects now. Baddies knew Metalmarsh was going to flip Civ, and avoided voting him. Llama already said he's going after Metalmarsh voters if he flipped Civ.

Unfortunately, I feel it could be anyone; the bandits may have even gone different ways. Eloh, you and I were pretty determined to test the red peek. Draco said he'd consider other options just as much, but then I don't even recall him coming back till EoD. As you say, Scotty and llama could have easily distanced: Scotty locked on Enrique pretty quick; Llama could have cooked for us the "I told you so" speech, but right now I'm not feeling it entirely. Sprityo's take on MM was kinda lax and he "took interest" in voting Scotty for unstated reasons. Then there's DFaraday and Enrique, who missed the Day completely.

The way we've been playing, the bandits could have hidden on either of these three paths.

I did consider other options. But the only option that might have saved MM was Enrique, and I felt MM was more likely bad than Enrique. Also, I wanted to give Enrique a chance to live past Day 1 in one of these heists

Enrique has not only lived past Day 1, but has also not posted since Day 1. You said this excuse on day 1, and yet couldn't commit again for the same pitying logic.

Draconus wrote:

Scotty wrote:Even more likely is the lack of interest from Mafia, because they weren't active yesterday, or didn't care. DFaraday is going to be my upmost candidate going further. Enrique as well, but I at least know DFaraday has been active in other threads and has not been here since Day 1. Sprityo has made me feel a bit better- I know he's having wifi troubles- but I feel like Mafia could be hiding in the weeds among any of you

You seem very certain that the baddies aren't using their abilities. Why assume this? I feel like pushing non-participants will only whittle down the number of civs. I'm looking at you for this next day.

My stance hasn't really changed, and as far as success so far, I think lack of participation is bringing us down. I haven't readily voted that way yet but I'm most likely going to tomorrow if I'm still alive.

It could be that some or all of the non-participants are civs, but how would we know? It's a terrible liability for civs when our own aren't talking, and that's my official stance, especially in the early stages of a game. I'm afraid that's a point that I just can't let go until I see more from a few people. So eye me all you want, but you gotta at least see my viewpoint. Or are you secretly protecting one of them?

Yo @Elo, i wanna know who your lead running back is in suspicion today.
And @Rico, which scenario among the ones you listed sounds more plausible?

Dammit. Goodnight sweet prince marmot!

Long Con wrote:Sorry, Marsh! Ok, Scotty and Llama are my top suspects now. Baddies knew Metalmarsh was going to flip Civ, and avoided voting him. Llama already said he's going after Metalmarsh voters if he flipped Civ.

You're quite definitive that that is where you'll catch the baddies, when before you were definitive that MM was bad and the other Mafia member would "steer the thread away from focusing on MM". As llama said, I could also scrutinize all 4 of the MM voters.

Even more likely is the lack of interest from Mafia, because they weren't active yesterday, or didn't care. DFaraday is going to be my upmost candidate going further. Enrique as well, but I at least know DFaraday has been active in other threads and has not been here since Day 1. Sprityo has made me feel a bit better- I know he's having wifi troubles- but I feel like Mafia could be hiding in the weeds among any of you

sprityo wrote:So reading the thread here's what I become up with:

Longcon and Rico are not aligned. Either that or I don't understand their jumping on each other?

MM is either a bandit and Wilgy was sifting it OR MM was a guess vote since Wilgy did get a guilty on someone else. And who better to guess than your friend?

If all else fails though, MM is just a misplaced town that people jumped on over a speculation that we can't confirm 100%

If anything I'm interested in Scotty.

But I'll got over the thread one more time and probably find things I missed/I said wrong information that I'll need to fix (or yknow you can quote both and show me where I'm wrong)

So to summarize:
You think one of Rico/LC is bad.
You think MM is good or bad, but (probably??) good.
You're "interested" in me enough to vote for me.

Ok.

Once again, I'm not liking how little activity or backlash is happening. Makes me feel like the baddies are very comfortable with this lynch.

I feel like MM could go either way, based on what Wilgy suggested, but one has to wonder why everyone's so complacent on his vote.

Whatcha thinkin about, @DFaraday?

I know DFaraday is alive, because he is posting in the Star Wars game across the street. Why isn't he here though? I would like to share all these leftover boxes of cheese pizza with him.

Long Con wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

Long Con wrote:Ok, fair enough. 24-hour days and thread silence doesn't work for that line of thinking, that's true. I think that the Mafia deliberately didn't kill anyone in order to lead us on a wild goose chase against low posters.

I also think that DrWilgy "red peeked" Metalmarsh and voted for him. It's not the strategy that everyone would use, but I think it's logical enough for him to go after MM right away just in case he got nightkilled early, there would then be a record of his info played out in a Day 1 vote, if nothing else. So I'm going to vote Metalmarsh at this time.

Furthermore, it's likely that the other Wet Bandit would try to steer the thread away from focusing on MM, so your post that doesn't suspect him at all follows that logic. So you're my other main suspect at this time.

That's where I'm at right now.

Are these your real or fake thoughts

A little of both, actually.

I know this is anti-civ, but as a civ who thinks you are a civ too, I kind-of want to lynch you for this

Aw, that's sweet, Eloh! Thanks!

thellama73 wrote:I like the way Long Con is thinking this game. Good job, Long Con.

And thank you, Mr Llama. I'm really interested in exploring the use of deception as a Civ in order to coax Mafia into some sort of misplay. I think it gets a bit diluted when people focus too much on it, but hey, I'm just experimenting a little. From now on, I'll only post real thoughts.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Ricochet wrote:The pool is way too large right now for an absent Mafia duo theory to hold (or, at least, be the main thing to pursue). Maybe if we catch one of the bandits and then the no activity indication reoccurs, with just one bandit out there. But as of now, you've got, in theory, DFaraday (inactive), sprityo (inactive, connectivity issues), Draconus (sporadic), Llama (infrequent) and Enrique (infrequent). That's half the current field.

I believe a larger pool would make the theory more probable.

I never know whether you are lying or not, my man. I'd like to think you're just out to dry right now due to bad circumstances with Wilgy.

Also, you originally voted for llama because you theorized that he forgot to put in the kill, but now you think the theory is not as probable. So, are you keeping it on llama?

Draconus wrote:

Scotty wrote:Draconus, for finding Enrique suspicious, but would be willing to let him go another day. Why not follow through on your convictions?

Sorry, I thought I specified. I wanted to give him more of a chance because I watched him get lynched Day 1 in Tree Mafia as the cop. You know what, I think I did explain this. Next thing I said was "ironically, I would have voted for Dr. Wilgy, instead" because I'm a nub like that. Doing a bit more reading, but I'll probably have a few more posts soon.

Ah ok, I'm sorry. All you said was "Tree Cop and all that", which means nothing to me. But thank you for explaining it further.

So would you say that Enrique is acting the same he did in Tree Mafia, or is it just a principle thing that is holding you back from voting him day 1 again?

linki @LC
So my frontrunner is Enrique. I show you mine, you show me yours.

Woo no death!

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Long Con wrote:Yay for no death! Perhaps the Doctor protected the right person?

Why Llama, Metalmarsh?

I hope so.

But in case the nightkill was missed, llama was not really around.

While that's certainly possible, I think the odds are better that the doctor did some saving. Because even if llama were gone all day (and he wasn't the only one...) there's still another baddie that can probably put in the kill. So I'd readily discount that missed kill theory entirely, unless the wet bandits are llama and DFaraday.

Long Con wrote:Well, the thing is, when you're trying to catch the bad guys, it really hinders the strategy when you blurt all your thoughts into the thread right away so that they can read and adapt to what you say. I don't want my suspects taking my thoughts into account when they are posting, because then they could post with the right kind of foreknowledge, saying the things that I so generously supplied the means to say that will make me not suspect them.

Like, I could say "I'm suspicious of the player who goes after Llama today"... and if I said that before you had posted, then maybe you, as a hypothetical baddie, would have posted something different than you did, and my suspicion would be cut off at its base.

I hope this helps you understand why I, in this game and future games, might be inclined to hold back thoughts I have from the thread.

The hard part about withholding thoughts, like MM said, is that if the game is already dragging, we don't have any info to go on. Yes, we want to hear from everyone else, but if no one speaks up, it's like an American waiting for another car at a roundabout: "you go ahead" "no, you go" "no, I insist" "I don't understand the driving laws and how they operate, so neither of us have right of way- you go!" "I agree, now you go ahead!"

That being said, I also would look to hear thoughts from a lot of people:
DFaraday, who hasn't posted since Day 0, almost died in the lynch yesterday, and never explained his vote. Wonder what he's thinking.
Draconus, for finding Enrique suspicious, but would be willing to let him go another day. Why not follow through on your convictions?
sprityo, who, after 4 posts, has given literally nothing but excuses and apologies thus far, with no real reads or content.
thellama, who hasn't been around since the beginning of Night 1, to see if Enrique is still on his radar. Also how he feels about MM suspecting him right now.

Right now, I'm suspecting Enrique. I didn't like his driveby vote on me Day 1, and he has now dropped off the face of the earth.


Like I get it, holidays are coming up, and people have lives away from mafia, but even a few words here and there with pings and/or thoughts about their favorite moisturizer is at least something to go on.

Enrique wrote:I was originally gonna make a post to explain why I was gonna vote Long Con, but the more I went into it, the more I realized what he's actually saying. I don't think he's withholding any info that the rest of us aren't (which is to say, our roles). Llama laid the bait and it looked like LC was ready to take it to prey on Scotty, but what if he just knew he was fake-claiming?

Right now that's good enough for me. Scotty.

Well I know for certain that Rico was fake-claiming. Is that a cause for a vote? I don't honestly see a good reason right now to claim anything for real. But I'm glad you hopped on my train early on. What are you thinking about now, @Enrique?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Lynch Kevin now tbh, before he kills me.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Scotty, are you going to make it to Day 2?

The real question I see is: will I make it to Night 2?

I would honestly be surprised if the baddies kill me tonight. Unless they just don't like talkers. Which may or may not be the case.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Scotty wrote:

sprityo wrote:it was all my fault, i deserve to die next

You didn't vote for Kevin, so I think you're ok.

You're more like the 112th United States Congress.

(Also I just realized I've been saying your name wrong, my bad! What gender are you, sprityo?)

Psst, it says it under his avatar.

I'm illiterate apparently. Cheerio!

sprityo wrote:it was all my fault, i deserve to die next

You didn't vote for Kevin, so I think you're ok.

You're more like the 112th United States Congress.

(Also I just realized I've been saying your name wrong, my bad! What gender are you, sprityo?)

Ricochet wrote:...ok. I guess that makes the issue of Wilgy having peeked MM and having gotten a red on him open for debate.

That could be a strong possibility, considering how out of character Wilgy seemed to me, and how little info he gave after D0 besides voting against MM.

Long Con wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Ricochet wrote:Host: Does the Cop receive a random D0 peek? Also, can he receive a D0 peek of any kind or only a civilian one?

4) Kevin will peek before Day 1 begins. On ensuing night periods, the cop may select another player to role-check.

To me, this is effectively: 4) Kevin will gdfhk before Day 1 begins. On ensuing night periods, the cop may select another player to role-check.

lol in a previous game I played on Mafia Universe, the locals there use "peek" ad infinitum to describe role-checking.

The only other thing I can think of is maybe peeking at BTSC between the bandits? Because after all, he does so in the movie before they even arrive.

Epignosis wrote:DrWilgy called himself a doctor. But that wasn't true. He was a cop. As he went to the McCallister household to check up on a boy left home alone, he slipped on iced steps and broke his spine.

Then he realized he was the boy who lived at that house. Being alone for so long had consequences on his mind.

"Plain cheese pizza," were his last words.

DrWilgy has been lynched. He was Kevin McCallister. It is now Night 1.

Oh my god. I actually killed Kevin. It was a joke, I swear!

I feel utterly terrible, Wilgy

No matter how this shakes out, I think some good info can be gleaned from the voting today, but call me really upset at how little participation has been seen today.