The Syndicate

knew that was coming. Good night, fellows!

a2thezebra wrote:Then do you see her as good because of that argument, or is she more of a neutral read?

I don't usually like giving out civ badges unless they're a more powerful pokemon trainer. I currently see her as not inherently bad-looking. Do with that what you will.

a2thezebra wrote:
Scotty wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
Scotty wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:Where is S~V~S on your list, Scotty?
She is not on my list.

You are one step below LC.
What is your read of her?
I've already said what I thought of SVS.
No actually, you haven't. A bit surprising considering how often you have mentioned her. The closest you've come to a direct statement about what you think of her alignment is in this post:

Scotty wrote:SVS seems like the type that would not play to emotions and usually talks off the cuff. I don't see her as bad in this argument.

Also, if I am the deciding vote on my own lynch I will be supremo pissed. If there was ever a do-over it would be that.
Where you only say that you don't see her as bad in that particular argument, rather than an overall read. So what is your read of S~V~S, Scotty?

Here we go again with a disagreement among grammar and syntax. I don't see her as bad because of this argument.

Made wrote:
DFaraday wrote: If Nutella is the other Immortal, she would know that Scotty wouldn't die on Day 1, so it makes sense to me that she'd throw him under the bus. Distancing when your teammate secretly isn't in any real danger seems like a clever move to me.
This doesn't really work. For this to be true we would have to believe Scotty's message was straight up a joke (because there's only two on that team so SVS couldn't be involved) and that Nutella, knowing this was a joke, headed the persecution of this joke which imo sounds very very unlikely on a day one where no other accusations/arguments had been made yet.

You can get lynched for farting in the wrong direction on a day one. Why risk that?

You must be thinking of someone else. She offered her agreement, but by no means did she head the persecution. That's actually more baddie looking than, say, zebra, who did spearhead the persecution.

a2thezebra wrote:
Scotty wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:Where is S~V~S on your list, Scotty?
She is not on my list.

You are one step below LC.
What is your read of her?

I've already said what I thought of SVS.

That's beautiful, SVS. Did you paint that?

It reminded me of this pic I took last week in Alaska:

a2thezebra wrote:Where is S~V~S on your list, Scotty?

She is not on my list.

You are one step below LC.

Black Rock wrote:Sorry I missed the vote, exhaustion took over my life last night and fizzled my brain. I certainly missed a lot of argument. SVS I sincerely love you. I do believe you, put your hackles down.

I don't know what you're about Scotty but you can't expect people to ignore such a statement. You wanted attention you got it. Doesn't mean everyone that gave you attention is bad.

No one is going to ignore someone's fly down if they see it, but some just choose not to make a big deal about it. Ya dig?

And is this an indirect defense of sorts? I still think you are bad. I don't do rainbow lists, but I have been known to make lists at times, and you and nutella top it!

Boulders wrote:
Boulders wrote:
Boulders wrote:yooo haha
heyyy lol
oyyy jaja

You're a special kind of boulder, aren't you?

S~V~S wrote:
DFaraday wrote:I'm so sorry I missed the vote, Enrique! I saw the end time when I wasn't logged in and thought I had two more hours. It won't happen again!

It seems like the most obvious solution is that Scotty is a Repudiated Immortal. And even though I have nothing to support this idea, I suspect that Nutella is the other member and Scotty kept saying he suspected her so that people wouldn't draw a connection between them.

At the moment, I'm most suspicious of the people who voted LC for no particular reason (i.e., all of them).
I had a reason. What makes you think I did not?

And Scotty, while on the one hand yay for no death, especially if you are someone in my civ group, on the other I was hoping to get a sense of direction from your death. Either you flipped bad, and I got my affairs in order, or you didn't and the baddie slip theory could fade into oblivion where it belongs, but alas. But if Faradays theory is correct, and it makes sense, hopefully that puts paid to that.

Although he seems to think Nutella is the other one, and didn't she buy into the baddie slip theory? So that bit is kinda shaky.

But congrats on living Scotty

Hey thanks, SVS!

I think both are valid theories. I guess we should probably lynch Nutella tomorrow and find out.

Also. Still down for killing Typh tonight since he just called me a nub?

sprityo wrote:@MM

sprityo wrote: Basically what I'm trying to say is, why is Scotty being so, not optimal? Surely it's not on purpose, right?

Perhaps he could be trying to draw out a lynch on himself to confirm himself?
i mean maybe im right, im at least halfway right.

Well no, I never intended to get myself lynched. It just happened that way with some interesting results.

But I'm glad you're patting yourself on your back

and I hope you do get your money back, MM. I know I'm not.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Since nobody else asked, Scotty, do you know why you weren't lynched?

I have a pretty good feeling, yes.

Though I'm not holding my breath I'll survive tonight.

MM, do you think I am bad?

@sprityo I would also like to know which part you were right about.

I'm sorry you're disappointed you didn't get to lynch me, Nutella.

What is your opinion of LC?

Long Con wrote:
Scotty wrote:
Long Con wrote:Gotta leave for work soon. I see Scotty is just kind of avoiding explaining or answering questions about his post, so I'll place my vote where he did. *votes Scotty*
I did not see you voting anywhere else today mate, and I fail to see what I can answer that would assuage you.

Praytell, what haven't I answered?
Ok, answering this is just going through the motions at this point, but I had to answer. How the F did you miss this post?

Long Con wrote:I'm sorry to rehash this again, but I looked it over and I can't get my mind around it... and I don't understand Scotty's metaphors at all.

Scotty wrote:I think we should kill Typh first because no one would suspect it was SVS
Scotty, I understand the idea behind this joke. Discussed in a previous game, S~V~S would not kill Typh on Day 1. That's easy to get.

What I'm not getting is this: if you really meant to post this joke to the Game Thread, then who was the audience? Who is "we"? Is that part of the joke's intention - to fake like you slipped and posted that in the wrong place?

Your answer about knowing there was thread-based baddie chat was "I dunno. I guess?" So... that makes it a bit hard to believe that the "slip" idea was part of your original joke. If you knew the baddies were chatting in forum threads, then making the joke be a funny pretend 'oops wrong thread!' slip is possible, but you're equivocating about that, so

It looks like the majority of the people playing don't agree with me, so if any of you can answer these questions, I would appreciate it. I feel like I missed an episode of the show everyone loves, so I don't have the means to get the plot.
Obviously, the answer is that you didn't miss it, you just didn't care because you wanted to be lynched. I hope you got something good from it, and I hope you're Civ. If you're a Repudiated Immortal and didn't get some benefit from the lynch, then WHY? WWWWHHHHYYYYYYY?

You're forgetting that I didn't ask to be lynched.

You kept pushing it. You and zebra. But you were completely flumberbuxt with my answers. I just honestly would like my to have received votes at all. But here we are.

and I think you Sjould be lynched tomorrow.

SVS seems like the type that would not play to emotions and usually talks off the cuff. I don't see her as bad in this argument.

Also, if I am the deciding vote on my own lynch I will be supremo pissed. If there was ever a do-over it would be that.

Please lynch Nutella. It was what I originally wanted to do.

If I am lynched today (which looks likely) you will see that I am not in fact bad like you would be believed and this might actually be good for the town to see who's on what side of the fence.

Scotty- the martyr you deserve but don't need.

S~V~S wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
S~V~S wrote:
Scotty wrote:
Boulders wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
Boulders wrote:if I get murdered tonight it's skyguy and you should all lynch him
You seem pretty certain of this. I thought you were advocating that we lynch him because he's a potential threat, not because you actually think he's bad.
he is a potential threat, I also believe he is an active member of an internet gangstalking group, hence him being here

can't just be coincidence? If I get killed it's his fault by DEfault
Do you guys know each other l, or I am missing the slip? Sorry, not slip, I mean "joke".
If you're bad I am never talking to you again

Also another reason I voted for LC, in Dune I believe (might have been a different speed game) Bass did this exact thing to LC (presuming this is what Scotty did), "faux" slipped in the thread and got civ LC lynched. So this sort of a ploy is not unfamiliar to him.
I found what you're talking about in Roger Rabbit.

LC was a LMS Indy in that game. I don't think this and that are the same.
This post:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:I know right. I can't believe all the heat im taking for that vote. LC what should I do?
As Bass was being lynched. To set LC up for the next lynch. I hope beyond hope that Scotty is not bad. But if he is, I am going next. No worries, I am used to be civ game being misinterpreted.

But lynch LC after me.

Don't worry, SVS. I'm not bad. But I think at least a few jumping on me are. LC initially seemed pretty even keel, like he was attempting to be the 3rd party, but now he just can't understand anything I say and is using that as his argument against me. Well, LC wouldn't surprise me as a baddie.

Boulders wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
Boulders wrote:if I get murdered tonight it's skyguy and you should all lynch him
You seem pretty certain of this. I thought you were advocating that we lynch him because he's a potential threat, not because you actually think he's bad.
he is a potential threat, I also believe he is an active member of an internet gangstalking group, hence him being here

can't just be coincidence? If I get killed it's his fault by DEfault

Do you guys know each other l, or I am missing the slip? Sorry, not slip, I mean "joke".

Long Con wrote:Gotta leave for work soon. I see Scotty is just kind of avoiding explaining or answering questions about his post, so I'll place my vote where he did. *votes Scotty*

I did not see you voting anywhere else today mate, and I fail to see what I can answer that would assuage you.

Praytell, what haven't I answered?

Long Con wrote:
Scotty wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:The spaghetti fell out of his pocket. I can't believe I didn't notice that before. That is the most surest sign of a baddie among baddies. Also, Papryco, your spaghetti has melted.

By the way, is that a metaphor?
I personally believe in the 5 second rule.
Maybe Optimal Scotty would honour that time-tested rule, but it has already been established that you are currently operating as Sub-Optimal Scotty. What's up with that? A man's gotta respond to an assertion like that, if he wants to be a man. With more than squinted eyes.

Oh, has that been established? Because as far as I know, I'm still the same ole Scotty. I started drinking coffee. So maybe that's it? I take offense, sir, that you think my response is not manly enough for you. All I can say is, I do yoga, I bench a nice triple digit number, and I kiss girls, often with both lips at the same time.

Also, thanks for stopping by, Boulders. I seem to have started a trend with misvoting.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:The spaghetti fell out of his pocket. I can't believe I didn't notice that before. That is the most surest sign of a baddie among baddies. Also, Papryco, your spaghetti has melted.

By the way, is that a metaphor?

I personally believe in the 5 second rule.

OH!
I understand where I got confused. Your syntax was confusing af.
"I get thinking" i took as "I got to thinking" when in reality you meant to say "I understand other people thinking"

Cool. Good talk. I'm going to bed and will revisit this in the morning. Fare thee well, striped horse.

a2thezebra wrote:
Scotty wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:This doesn't make any sense to me. How does Scotty's initial post being a joke somehow not make it a slip? Did I accidentally migrate to a universe where baddies don't joke? Of course it's a joke, but I think that it was meant for a different audience. I get thinking that Scotty didn't slip but everyone who's said that he didn't slip because he was joking is pinging me big time.
You're playing 52 card pickup with me here.

How does a joke = a slip?

Come on, take it word by word. It isn't that hard. I'm not saying that it's a slip because it's a joke, I'm saying that just because it's a joke doesn't mean that it's not a slip. I don't know how much clearer I can articulate this.

Let me try and wrap my head around what you're saying here.

You're thinking that I:
-slipped, Yes.
-but it was a joke, Probably.
-which is still a slip, Not by default, but in this case yes.
-within some presupposed BTSC chat I'm sorry, do BTSC chats not exist anymore?
BUT
-You think that I DIDN'T slip Don't even pretend that you are this confused. No.
-and everyone that sees me joking instead of slipping is suspect. I think that everyone (most recently Dana) who is saying that because you were joking, that somehow means that you didn't slip, is suspect.

a2thezebra wrote:Oh yeah, and Scotty. I know votes are not changeable and I know how early in the day it is. I didn't say that he slipped to gauge reactions (although you better believe I'm gauging them), I said that he slipped because I think that he slipped. That's final.
Then you vote me early, and are back to believing I slipped again...because I slipped. Why are you acting like I'm being inconsistent? Show me where you got the impression that I was implying that I thought you didn't slip and then went back to thinking it again, because I don't see this inconsistency. Point it out pretty please if you don't mind.

Zeebs, you make about as much sense as Hitler appearing in a Pixar movie. I'm sure you're making a case somewhere in there, but I'm not sure what it is.
I'm making perfect sense. You do know that you can disagree with me while still managing to understand what I'm saying right? Feigning confusion isn't going to do you any favors because I don't buy it and even those that don't think you slipped may suspect you for it as well.

Treating me like a 5 year old isn't helping me understand. Maybe it's just very late, maybe I am tired, but I keep rererereading your statements and I see contradictions.

Are you saying that I intentionally meant to joke in a BTSC chat with fellow baddies? Because that's more concise than "I get thinking that Scotty didn't slip" followed by "I said that he slipped because I think that he slipped." That's about as cohesive as a suspension bridge put together with duct tape.

Long Con wrote:As I said, I don't find nutella's response to be "unsatisfactory". It's not an unusual response to a seeming slip-up.

Your response was actually unsatisfactory - for one, you avoided answering my question about whether or not you knew about baddie BTSC being thread-based in this game at the time of your post.

"Maybe it was a joke" you say. You're a metaphorical "uncle at Christmas dinner" who doesn't know when to shut up? No, I don't know... I mean, I do know because my cousin Al IS that "uncle at Christmas dinner"... but I don't see the parallel to your "joke post".

How's about you explain the joke for all us Syndicaters at home? I don't get it. What was the "last game" in which the joke originated? What's the difference between agreeing with someone's analysis and riding their coattails?

You're hurting my mind here.

I'm sorry it didn't satisfact you. I missed the question about thread based BTSC, because I dunno. I guess? Not really sure how pertinent that is to anything.

In a previous game, SVS said that she would never kill Typhoony Night 1 in a game if she were baddie and he was not. So there ya go.

So the christmas dinner metaphor there was a stretch, I'll admit. Let's try another one, eh?

INT. SCHOOLROOM

A teacher sits at her desk mediating over her class' final exam. A little boy in the back appears quite diligent, but has other things on his mind.
He lifts his right butt cheek, throwing caution to the wind, and lets one fly.

The sound is muted in such a way that no one can hear it, but the sound isn't the danger here.

The olfactory senses of his fellow classmates go into hyperdrive. Some are so taken aback that they drop their pencils in disgust. One girl straight up vomits on her paper. The teacher has taken out her smartphone and is too taken with an intense game of FlappyBird to notice.

(VOICEOVER) BOY
Whoops.

The boy sheepishly slinks deeper into his chair, his crimson cheeks becoming one with his lips.

Several excruciating minutes pass. Things seemed to have gained some semblance of normalcy. The girl in front of the boy has passed out from her gratuitous vomiting. No one notices. The boy looks up suddenly, with fear in his eyes.

It is coming again.

This time he doesn't even lift a butt cheek.

(VOICEOVER) BOY
I knew then that there was no point in hiding it. Some things just can't be controlled.

A sound not unlike a foghorn erupts from the boy. Everyone stops and stares. The teacher looks up from her phone with disdain in her eyes. Her movement is swift.

TEACHER
Go to the principal's office.

The boy stands up, all eyes locked on him. Every war has casualties- he knows this. He knows too that this soon would pass, and as he trudged toward his maker, he smiled, knowing that someone in the room was clapping in their head, giving him the metaphorical medal of merit he so selfishly deserved.

BLACKOUT

What's the difference between riding coattails and agreeing with someone's analysis? Well, they're very similar. What nutella did was post about her agreement with zebra on my "slip", while simultaneously stating that I could be bad. Later, she wrote out something to the effect of 'thinking I slipped from the very beginning' which wasn't so much shown in her words. So she latched onto this idea, but didn't flesh it out, i.e. she's been sorta riding coattails, but sorta not.

a2thezebra wrote:This doesn't make any sense to me. How does Scotty's initial post being a joke somehow not make it a slip? Did I accidentally migrate to a universe where baddies don't joke? Of course it's a joke, but I think that it was meant for a different audience. I get thinking that Scotty didn't slip but everyone who's said that he didn't slip because he was joking is pinging me big time.

You're playing 52 card pickup with me here.

How does a joke = a slip?
Let me try and wrap my head around what you're saying here.

You're thinking that I:
-slipped,
-but it was a joke,
-which is still a slip,
-within some presupposed BTSC chat
BUT
-You think that I DIDN'T slip
-and everyone that sees me joking instead of slipping is suspect.

a2thezebra wrote:Oh yeah, and Scotty. I know votes are not changeable and I know how early in the day it is. I didn't say that he slipped to gauge reactions (although you better believe I'm gauging them), I said that he slipped because I think that he slipped. That's final.

Then you vote me early, and are back to believing I slipped again...because I slipped.

Zeebs, you make about as much sense as Hitler appearing in a Pixar movie. I'm sure you're making a case somewhere in there, but I'm not sure what it is.

Long Con wrote:
Scotty wrote:
Long Con wrote: Laying it on thick, eh Scotty?

The only question is, is he Mafia or Civ?

...

...I guess that's the question by default. I meant that Scotty wants us to lynch him today as part of his role. If it's a Civ role, then that's a good thing. If Mafia, then bad. So, the USUAL question gets a reversal of polarity in this instance.
I know how it looks but I really did not mean to vote myself. I'm on my phone and I am in the middle of a show right now so I misread.

I would strongly advise a Nutella lynch. I do not want to be lynchsd today.
Ok, then straight up, what was the deal with your post about killing Typh? I don't think I have seen a solid statement from you about your intentions with that post, if it wasn't an accidental slip from baddie BTSC. As Dana pointed out:

Enrique wrote:1. Remember, and this goes especially to the new people. No BTSC. This means you may only talk about the game, post about the game on threads about the game. Each BTSC team has their own subforum where they may talk to each other, but that's it, no one may discuss the game outside of the specified threads.
Were you aware at the time of your post that this was the case?

As for nutella's posts, I don't see them at the level of incrimination that some of you are seeing. The baddies are talking in threads, not Chatzy, so the method of posting to their teammates is the same as posting to the thread. That's an ideal way for exactly this kind of slip-up to happen, and I actually agree with her. Either Scotty actually slipped up, or he pretended to slip up. If he pretended to slip up, then... the intention is to go after anyone who accuses you of slipping up?

That "plan" doesn't make sense to me. If there was an actual slip-up then is everyone supposed to ignore it because it's suspicious to believe it?

I never said anything about there being a plan. Who said that?

Maybe it was a joke about last game and I kept going with it? You know how there's always that one uncle At thanksgiving dinner that starts talking about politics and has no monitor for when to shut up? What was the point, you say? It was day 0 and I didn't think a joke like that would take such stock. It didn't seem to land with everyone, but it did get some interesting responses that, while unintentional, were welcome.

So nutella's response and initial post was to ride the coat tails of zebra's pushing. But not just ride, she kind of walked alongside that train, because she even backed it up with a "well, it could have been a slip up or not a slip up but it probably was." I can run a cycle of clothes with her wishy-washy approach to this.

I then ask you: do you find nutella's response satisfactory? Am I just a soggy bag of rice?

Long Con wrote: Laying it on thick, eh Scotty?

The only question is, is he Mafia or Civ?

...

...I guess that's the question by default. I meant that Scotty wants us to lynch him today as part of his role. If it's a Civ role, then that's a good thing. If Mafia, then bad. So, the USUAL question gets a reversal of polarity in this instance.

I know how it looks but I really did not mean to vote myself. I'm on my phone and I am in the middle of a show right now so I misread.

I would strongly advise a Nutella lynch. I do not want to be lynchsd today.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Spacedaisy wrote:Link MM: don't want to vote yourself to find out this time eh? Too costly for your baddie team to risk you getting lynched?
Why yes, how did you know?
I drew a mafia role for the fifth speed game in a row.

Guys I think MM wants to be lynched. Is there a jester role in play?

Oh,
And don't vote me kthnx

OR OK I GUESS MY FAT FINGERS WANT ME TO VOTE FOR MYSELF.

Votes are not changeable. There's your answer.

Voting for Nutella.

a2thezebra wrote:Well Scotty pretending that he didn't slip has produced some nice meaty content for Day 0. Is there anyone you're suspicious of, S~V~S?

Glad to be of service!

a2thezebra wrote:
Scotty wrote:Ok but seriously though, Nutella and black rock are my suspects right now.
Why am I not suspicious to you for leading the charge but others are suspicious for agreeing with me? Is it because they're less frustrating to argue with than I am?

Because you have at least appeared genuine whereas the others seemed to be latching onto the hot topic.

But you could still very much be a baddie, as I explained earlier.

Ok but seriously though, Nutella and black rock are my suspects right now.

Typhoony wrote:But I'm on your team

That's why they would least expect that we're civilians!

My logic is sound, but more like a slight whistle than a ding.

Typhoony wrote:I'm more suspicious of nutelLA and LC than that I am of Zebra/Scotty/SVS right now.

This guy knows what's up.

SVS lets kill him tonight like we talked about.

We seem to usually get off the wrong foot, zebra. Last time you were fully convinced I was good when in fact I was a smoke monster, and this time you're fully convinced I am bad when in fact I am good. I am a good boy, Mrs. Robinson.

What about you? I see you. You lead the charge, but I also don't think you are bad because of it. I actually see you as genuine baddie hunting. Unlike the ones I listed.

But that got me thinking- genuine baddie hunting is a fallacy in a game like this since there are two baddie teams. Of course they are going to be baddie hunting as well.

nutella wrote:I'm somewhat torn on this tbh. When I first saw Scotty's post my kneejerk reaction was that it was a joke referring to the Lost game, which would make total sense, and the "oops" just drawing attention to the joke -- but still it's a very dangerous joke to make that ambiguously. And if he and SVS really were baddies together, I'd find it just as likely that he'd make that "joke" in their btsc. And I'm really not sure how I feel about SVS's reaction.

As Scotty is suggesting, either honestly or backpedalingly, he might have intentionally posted an ambiguously slip-like joke to see who jumped on it opportunistically, but I think Zebra's reaction is totally reasonable as an interpretation/assumption that it was a slip.

At this moment I think it was an actual slip. If I wanted to make a joke like that I would make it totally clear. I think Scotty straight up posted in the wrong thread and then backpedaled the hell out of there by turning it around on people who "jumped on it." Notice that he said "I'm just enjoying watching who is jumping on this", rather than claiming he explicitly did it to see who would jump on it. He's trying to appear chill about it and enjoying the opportunity to turn suspicion away from him.

I threw your name out there, and now you're really dissecting my intentions. How delicious

"backpedalingly" is a great word. It is not a word that would be used to describe what I did, but I love it nonetheless.

If I wanted to make a joke like that I would make it totally clear

Well I am not you. My mom makes this argument every time I don't do something she thinks would help out my life. 'If I were you, I would just run past the security at the airport because I deserve it.' Well there are multiple reasons why I do not do things in tandem with my mother.

I think you and zebra could be a great duo. In the gay parade.

Also waiting for skycat, Boulders and Made to check in.

@sig vote up top, buddy!

I think we should lynch SVS day 1 and see what's up. She did invite it, after all

Yo @Dana, you responded to SVS about how she is working way too early (I agree. Holy hell woman) but you didn't express your thoughts on the matter.

Who do you think looks worse for wear right now?

S~V~S wrote:Look at my posts, I cluster around this time since I leave for work around 7:15.

Game already trashed lol, thanks Scotty.

And "joke" was the assumption I made, yes, since I know he had issues with that during the LOST game. But tbh I would rather get this over with sooner rather than later, so feel free to lynch me.

Trashed? Hardly. Take things one step at a time, SVS. My first post on day 0 is not going to upend your game.

Everyone cool your jets.

In other news, I don't know anything about this theme except that I have been to a couple gay pride parades.

Typhoony wrote:I think Zebra is doing something silly again in the hopes someone will jump on it. Then, when the lynch is almost over, she will declare that it was some sort of play and lead a lynch on an important civvie.

Not just that, but it's Day 0. I mean, I'm pretty stupid, but am I stupid enough to start talking strategy about N1 if it already started?

I'm just enjoying watching who is jumping on this. Right now I'm inclined to look at the ones latching on to the idea that I slipped. Because how easy that would be. Nutella and Black Rock, I see you.

I mean, oops. Yay Gay Prod Parade!

I think we should kill Typh first because no one would suspect it was SVS

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