The Syndicate

Okay so my top choice was Glorfindel, but I won't be voting there today. Roxy seems to be gaining votes and I would prefer her being lynched over Mac/Golden. However, I'm not sure about that lynch either. So I'll be voting for Sorsha I already gave my reasoning for it and will be placing my vote there today.

MacDougall wrote:Sig's only post on day 3 was a vote for Glorfindel, when he hadn't really mentioned Glorfindel until then and Enrique had been his baby case. Glorfindel was never close to being lynched and neither was Enrique. That was the day Brian got lynched though, who sig had been null reading.

Sig was on the Enrique bandwagon on day 4 though but it was late enough for him to easily just be voting a goner teammate.

He also calls for us not to analyse Enrique's interactions with other players. I still think he knew their names though? What is the prevailing wisdom on that?

I really do think Enrique was bussed though. Had to be. He ended up with 12 votes on him and almost everybody threw shade at him. He was railroaded. The only question is by whom. Sig would be a good chance at that.

Sig does raise some good points where sorsha defended Enrique in his biggest post. http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 42#p204442

I think it's a stretch to call sig Hutt. But his analysis outside of his read of Enrique and Enrique related material has been less thorough. With less Hutts to hunt he might have run out of things to say?

My team theory fell through with Simon flipping civ, I still think Glor/Space could be a Hutt, but right know I'm recalibrating. I do have a few theories based around the Empire team (inactive players/player) not sure how accurate that is. Besides that I think Sorsha Roxy/Eloh, and Glorfindel (Space) is scum. I'm not sure which team they are, but I'm leaning Hutt on Gorfindel(Space) and Sorsha. I've got a few theories bouncing around, but they are tin foil hat level.

Roxy wrote:MetalMarsh89 Indy
Bullzeye Civ
sig Civ
Dom Bad
Dfaraday Indy
Matt Bad
MacDougall Civ
MovingPictures07 Bad
Elohcin Bad
Bass Bad
Luke11646 Bad
Black Rock Indy
Bubbles Civ
a2thezebra Bad
DrWigly Bad
Canucklehead Indy
Russtifinko Civ
Glorfindel Civ
Golden Civ
nijuukyugou Bad
Sorsha Bad


Linky whoopdedoo

Sorry if you feel this is a bad environment, I enjoy playing with you Roxy and hope you stick around.
When your around I'm curious why MP, Matt, and Zebra as bad?

a2thezebra wrote:OKAY I'M STARTING. YOU MUST DO IT BECAUSE I AM THE LEADER OF A FASCIST REGIME, BEWARE BEWARE

linki - Will do.

Can I be in charge of the secret police? Promise I won't have a coup against you to much.

MacDougall wrote:Unanimous town reads:

Canucklehead
Elohcin
Mac
Matt
MP
Niju?
Sig
Llama

I don't like how all four of them town read me, it is odd.
Besides that I don't see much of interest. I see some people saying Dom isn't acting towny, but he is null to me.
My opinion of Mac/Golden hasn't changed.

Did someone mention me?\

Golden wrote: @Mac - lol. Sigging a case that you are wrong about. This is glorious stuff.

MacDougall wrote:That's now in my sig Golden. Congratulations.

Mad didn't know you thought of me as yours *blushes*


I've played enough games here I figured I didn't need to be on my best behavior anymore. :P

I did Sorsha already I'll quote it, Roxy/Eloh no real reasoning besides their own arguments, Wilgy is gut read. Glorfindel is gut/meta and his posts as I said some seemed real others didn't.
quote="sig"]Ugh I made a big ass post, and then my computer crashed. So here is a watered down version
Summery I was silenced I found Glors post/vote stange.
Sorry MM for dying didn't see anything when I ISO'd Enrique today, think we have to focus on other people and there actions especially if he didn't know who was on his team.
Welcome Llama we are lynching Simon based around his votes nothing to do with Fett, also I disagree with you on Golden I don't think he is mafia.
I agree with Mac about hunting both teams, also Mac is a civ read to me. MAtt is also a slight civ read to me. Out of the three newly replaced it is more likely Bass/Bulls.

quote="Sorsha"]

Black Rock wrote:

Sorsha wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

Sorsha wrote:I am voting for Elohcin. I don't feel like her vote for zebra is genuine.

:P

Perhaps you are zebra's teammate.

For real though...Zebra's tone just isn't of her normal civ self imo. Could I be wrong, sure. But I think Bass and Enri both have a good chance of being civ. So I didn't want to place my vote on either.

As far as I know I'm not on zebras team, I'm a part of the rebel alliance so if she is too then yes, we are teammates.

So what changed for you between day one and day two? Because on day one you voted for Enrique but now you think he is civ? That's why I voted you btw, your change with no explanation and your vote out of the blue with no explanation.

Can you quote posts of zebra's that are showing her non civvie tone? I'm not trying to defend her but like bass, it seems like zebra is quite easy to lynch at times as well.... Or at least gets herself into trouble early.

This post doesn't sit right with me. The blue part just sounds like something a baddie Sorsha would say.

Funny how that's a perfectly lie detectable statement that you don't like there BR [/quote]

Surprised these posts haven't gotten more attention, this also something I find quite damning which was overlooked is her defense of Enrique. In these three posts.

Sorsha wrote:Meh- I'm not feeling the Enrique case. He seems pretty sincere to me

Sorsha wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

Sorsha wrote:Meh- I'm not feeling the Enrique case. He seems pretty sincere to me

bcornett sounded sincere too. Not every scum player is incapable of lying without coming across like a really bad actor. The points are stacking up against him.

And civ players do dumb shit that makes them look bad. Remember me in talking heads?

Sorsha wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

Sorsha wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

Sorsha wrote:Meh- I'm not feeling the Enrique case. He seems pretty sincere to me

bcornett sounded sincere too. Not every scum player is incapable of lying without coming across like a really bad actor. The points are stacking up against him.

And civ players do dumb shit that makes them look bad. Remember me in talking heads?

Yeah but the main idea here is that civ players behave like civ players and we try to find inconsistencies in the posts of the players and lynch the ones who are more inconsistent and/or genuine right?

Civs can dig themselves into big holes trying to defend themselves.

What exactly did bcornet sound sincere about anyway? He didn't even give a reason for his vote yesterday that I could see...

BUT then her next post is this.

Sorsha wrote:Voted Enriqe. Hope you're bad!

Linki- I just want answers!!

Then some fluff, almost votes for Simon decides to hold her vote and in the end votes for him anyway. Her vote comes only after six people voted for Simon so she could be a potential teammate of his if not I still lean mafia on her.

Oops I was wrong about Simon, still think Sorsha could be mafia though. Also since Simon isn't a Hutt perhaps Luke was which would know be Llama, this allowed him to defend Simon and look slightly more civvie for not voting him, the same could be said for Glorfindel.[/quote]

Sorsha or Glor(Space Daisy) aremy two highest scum reads today.

Okay I don't really have much this phase, but I think Sorsha seems scummy. Her lie detecting post as well as her soft defense of Enrique seems scummy to me. She is potential Hutt.
I think either Roxy/Eloh is a scum not sure which though, this is because of their back and forth.
Wilgy is a minor scum ping to me, he hasn't posted much but when he does his posts aren't really that helpful.
I still think we have a few inactive/former inactive people on the Empires team, and maybe one active member but I have no real leads on them outside of this. If they silenced me it seems random at this time.

I think Glorfindel/Space could be mafia this is based off of Glor's game. I'm hesitant about this though since I would like to give Space a chance. I'm also though used to not being able to lynch a replacement there first day. Thoughts on this?

linki: That is interesting, I will need to think on it and reread Zebra.

I see Zebra lurking she lied about leaving for a few hours. :P

Being coy is fun though.

If I get it I agree, though I don't see how that helps us pin down anymore scum?

Ugh you two are both acting like your my age. :P

Also everyone realize we have over 24 hours left this phase. I think we can find a third person to lynch who might actually be mafia.

Does anyone have anything to discuss not related to the Golden vs Mac thing? Potentially mafia members, civ reads, or theories anything?

linki: Yes I might be getting it, or I'm completely off. Either way one might wonder who else amused Brian? I think someone mentioned BK but BK is dead right?

But if you flip town/3P then Mac would in theory be the next player to go.

Assume it is a calculated gesture by Mac, what does he have to gain Golden? There are still more then enough civs that there is no way the mafia can win tomorrow we aren't close to lynch or loose, so why would he do this if it would result in him being lynched tomorrow?

I don't think I've ever had a town read on mac expect for in Dune when I was the scum team. This game I do have a town read on him, I think he is being genuine in his reads. Having said that I'm also confident Golden isn't a member of either mafia team. I really don't have much more to add.
@Zebra No I don't think Enrique new who his teammates were.

Not BTSC I meant I don't think he knew who his teammates are.

a2thezebra wrote:It's notable that his last action before being replaced was another silent vote, this time on MacDougall. I don't know. He wasn't the most inactive player by a long shot at the time he was replaced, so I'd rather not speculate why. I will say that I still think he could've been bad even if he was genuinely upset at the thread's conduct.

I have 100 posts per page so this is Page 26 for me.

I have never seen Glors scum game, but he generally doesn't like being scum. That could also explain his subbing out and not voting for either teammate (I think?)

Ik I wasn't asked this, but I'll answer anyway I don't think Enrique had BTSC, and am unsure if he was poisoned. Wouldn't it be funny if he was poisoned by the hutts?

I didn't know you liked me that much to have a banner of me thanks Zebra!

Okay thanks Epi, just making sure.

Space looking forward to some of your reads if you could specifically give me your thoughts on
Sorsha
Roxy
MP
Bass 2.0
Zebra

Know I was planning to vote for Glorfindel soon, however with Space replacing him I will hold my vote for the time, as of right know I'm still likely to place my vote on Glor/Space but won't be voting until closer to the deadline.

Welcome spacedaisy don't think we've played together before so looking forward to it.

Are we able to lynch players who replace into the thread the first day they replace in?

Just saw Glorfindel's vote, I have zebra in null slight civ read right know, golden and Mac are also civ reads to me so I won't be voting for either. I will most likely be placing my vote to save Mac/Golden without getting the other one lynched. As off right know I'd most likely lynch Glorfindel. I've had some really negative ping based around his posts, and I don't like the Mac lynch or the Golden lynch. I think they both riled the other up and are know seeing each other as scum, this is going to be awaste of a day phase if either are lynched, and if we only focus on them.

So read over Simon, day 1 he mentions Roxy.

Simon wrote:I don't have a reason for chosing to ask Russ first about Boba Fett. I believe Russ when he answered me.

I think Roxy might be bad and I'll vote to lynch her. She isn't talking much and might be trying to hide about being a baddie.

Then again on Day 4

Simon wrote: I think Roxy might be bad.

Day 5 vote

Simon wrote:I'm voting Canucklehead. I think Canucklehead might be bad.

So he is suspicious of Roxy starting Day 1 and doesn't mention her again until Day 4, his day 5 vote goes to Canucklehead.

What does everyone think of this?

Interesting thing about Simon he was R2-D2

BTSC with C-3PO. R2D2 receives a transmission from another group’s BTSC.

I will ISO Simon with this in mind, he could've very well been dropping hints about what he heard in BTSC.

Everyone thoughts on Sorsha?

I've said this before I believe this is mac/Golden thing is Civ on civ. However, I don't like Golden saying his statements are lie detectable first off we don't even know if that is a role, second off the only thing we know about a lie detecting item is that the Jawa sold one. this could've easily been bought by one of the scum teams and this is in fact what first pinged me about Sorsha.

linki: Why are we betting me? :P

That is interesting, though if it was the only time he did it I doubt it means anything. I didn't consider that so I'll go take a look.

Question for all do you think Enrique was really poisoned?

Matt wrote:Dang. I don't even know exactly how many credits I have. But I think I have well enough for a few more.

PULL

Is that Bernie Sanders economic plans? No wait he would be redistributing the credits :P

But know on a serious note, slight scum read on Sorsha and null on zebra. Zebra was a civ read but I've downgraded her. Sorsha was null but a combinations of factors which I mentioned in an above post has lead me to believe she is scum.

Welcome back Russ.

Matt what do you think of Zebra and Sorsha so far?

ooo we can gamble never played slots before expect for in Pokemon, and that didn't end well.

PULL

I think neither Mac or Golden are mafia.

Ugh I made a big ass post, and then my computer crashed. So here is a watered down version
Summery I was silenced I found Glors post/vote stange.
Sorry MM for dying didn't see anything when I ISO'd Enrique today, think we have to focus on other people and there actions especially if he didn't know who was on his team.
Welcome Llama we are lynching Simon based around his votes nothing to do with Fett, also I disagree with you on Golden I don't think he is mafia.
I agree with Mac about hunting both teams, also Mac is a civ read to me. MAtt is also a slight civ read to me. Out of the three newly replaced it is more likely Bass/Bulls.

quote="Sorsha"]

Black Rock wrote:

Sorsha wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

Sorsha wrote:I am voting for Elohcin. I don't feel like her vote for zebra is genuine.

:P

Perhaps you are zebra's teammate.

For real though...Zebra's tone just isn't of her normal civ self imo. Could I be wrong, sure. But I think Bass and Enri both have a good chance of being civ. So I didn't want to place my vote on either.

As far as I know I'm not on zebras team, I'm a part of the rebel alliance so if she is too then yes, we are teammates.

So what changed for you between day one and day two? Because on day one you voted for Enrique but now you think he is civ? That's why I voted you btw, your change with no explanation and your vote out of the blue with no explanation.

Can you quote posts of zebra's that are showing her non civvie tone? I'm not trying to defend her but like bass, it seems like zebra is quite easy to lynch at times as well.... Or at least gets herself into trouble early.

This post doesn't sit right with me. The blue part just sounds like something a baddie Sorsha would say.

Funny how that's a perfectly lie detectable statement that you don't like there BR [/quote]

Surprised these posts haven't gotten more attention, this also something I find quite damning which was overlooked is her defense of Enrique. In these three posts.

Sorsha wrote:Meh- I'm not feeling the Enrique case. He seems pretty sincere to me

Sorsha wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

Sorsha wrote:Meh- I'm not feeling the Enrique case. He seems pretty sincere to me

bcornett sounded sincere too. Not every scum player is incapable of lying without coming across like a really bad actor. The points are stacking up against him.

And civ players do dumb shit that makes them look bad. Remember me in talking heads?

Sorsha wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

Sorsha wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

Sorsha wrote:Meh- I'm not feeling the Enrique case. He seems pretty sincere to me

bcornett sounded sincere too. Not every scum player is incapable of lying without coming across like a really bad actor. The points are stacking up against him.

And civ players do dumb shit that makes them look bad. Remember me in talking heads?

Yeah but the main idea here is that civ players behave like civ players and we try to find inconsistencies in the posts of the players and lynch the ones who are more inconsistent and/or genuine right?

Civs can dig themselves into big holes trying to defend themselves.

What exactly did bcornet sound sincere about anyway? He didn't even give a reason for his vote yesterday that I could see...

BUT then her next post is this.

Sorsha wrote:Voted Enriqe. Hope you're bad!

Linki- I just want answers!!

Then some fluff, almost votes for Simon decides to hold her vote and in the end votes for him anyway. Her vote comes only after six people voted for Simon so she could be a potential teammate of his if not I still lean mafia on her.

Oops I was wrong about Simon, still think Sorsha could be mafia though. Also since Simon isn't a Hutt perhaps Luke was which would know be Llama, this allowed him to defend Simon and look slightly more civvie for not voting him, the same could be said for Glorfindel.

Glorfindel wrote:Nobody wants my vote in this poll? Have I become THAT much of a pariah amongst you all?

On top of that, a number of you have now described me as 'disingenuous'. The dictionary meaning of that word is "not candid or sincere, typically pretending that one knows less about something than one really does". And that isn't insulting? I'm really starting to look forward more and more to the end of this game...

See this post is pingy to be, but either way I'll take your vote Glorfindel it will make memore likely to win the poll.

@MP I've never seen bad Glorfindel, but some of his post seem very civvie this game others are not like his civ play it is strange.

I need to think about who I want to lynch, SImon could be a good option for tomorrow based around his votes, but with Enrique flip I'll be reading over some people and forming some new reads. I think we should watch the players who didn't vote for Enrique, I think the remaining Hutts are active and attempted to form another wagon or voted later in the phase for Enrique.

Also I don't think Luke is on the Hutts team he could be the other mafia but looking at his meta he wouldn't vote for a teammate.

MacDougall wrote:

MacDougall wrote:Hey so did anyone get a message about the poll? I did. Not sure if it was just me though so I will reserve what I say for now.

Nobody answered me about this btw. Regarding the previous nights poll.

I didn't get a message.

a2thezebra wrote:

sig wrote:If any could submit it a kill it is less likely to be sure, but getting blocked/protected is also a low possibility.

If the former is "less likely" and the latter is "a low possibility" than what are you suggesting is most likely the cause of Night 1's lack of NK?

I think the mafia team was inactive and didn't submit a kill.

I laid it all out with different theories earlier this phase I think.
If any could submit it a kill it is less likely to be sure, but getting blocked/protected is also a low possibility. I also find it strange nobody was silenced until you. Which could suggest at the very least the silencer was inactive. Or I could be wrong and they could have purposely not done anything to confuse us.

linki: Just the way it is written reminds me of civ Glorfindel, though I did have a bad gut feeling about him earlier. I would prefer someone else lynched tomorrow, but wouldn't oppose a Glorfindel lynch to much.

Oh no the above sounds more like Civ Glorfindel, I'd rather keep him around for awhile.

Well I was wondering why you weren't talking. This further proves my theory that MIA people are our mafia. I am thinking the Empire team is the more inactive team at this time.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Yay! I can talk again! And we caught a mafia!!

Roxy wrote:Also MP he is doing that thing again.

What thing?

DId I miss something were you silenced?

How it worked for Dune a game with one player not being in BTSC, the one player not in BTSC didn't know who his teammates were. Those with BTSC knew. So if this was the case here the three Hutts knew about Enrique, but Enrique didn't know who they were. I think this is likely to be the case here as well. So if Simon is scum he knew who Enrique was but Enrique didn't know who was on his team.

I'll be less likely to vote for you tomorrow if you vote for me tonight.




Also Wilgy since you seem to be around, current thoughts on who to lynch tomorrow?

<3

You're my favorite player Wilgy.

In theory yes though I don't think we should have another slow day and just vote Simon. I was thinking Enrique was in BTSC with Simon if the players don't share BTSC it makes it harder on Enrique's end to find scum. The chances that Simon is scum is high but as I said we shouldn't just default vote for him and not post other theories.

Bass 2.0 hasn't appeared yet and Matt has been afk this phase, I don't like that.

I will vote for whoever votes for me first in this poll.

BAM
I've been tunneling on him since day 1 so glad I was right.

This explains his frustration since he was voted for a connection he didn't know about. So we have two Hutts left I think Roxy attempting to cfd is slightly suspicious, but I also think this gives some more credence to Simon being on the Hutt team. If this is the case I'm not sure Simon/Roxy are on the same team. Thoughts on this?

Enrique you had me fooled once or twice and played a great game looking forward to playing more games with you in the future

Simon why?

We are internet friends, and have played a few mafia games together. I believe we've played four to five games on two different sites. The thing with Glorfindel is that he just seems less civvie this game. There is really no way to describe it. He has a unique civ play and people who haven't played with him would find it fake and disingenuous. He doesn't seem to have that tone as much as he usually does, so I'm finding him slightly strange. He is starting to sound more like what I associate with civ Glorfindel, so perhaps it was just because he was with so many new people. Either way he is worth watching, but not lynching at this point.

Okay thanks.

game not phase

Roxy wrote:Shit out of my ass? Your 8 year old is going to read that. its a nasty, disgusting way to describe it you could have said "out of thin air".

But tbh idc what you think of my list - I did provide reasoning when asked - I like to play my own way and really detest being told how to play. Tough shit if you do not like how I listed my suspicions. Everyone is entitled to their opinions.

Cfd to DFaraday

Why Dfaraday? I see he is on your list but not why that is?

I do agree something seems slightly off with Wilgy this phase.

Forgot to vote when I said I would so I just did.

CFD is Chinese Fire Drill, so you cause alot of noise in the thread usually within the last few hours and get everyone to vote for someone who wasn't a likely candidate. This can work to catch scum, but can also be used by scum to save teammates. However, fire drills don't work very well when votes aren't changeable.

Sorry about the confusion Bulls, the Empire didn't kill night 1, in theory they could have been blocked but the chances of that happening is very small. Also they weren't blocked again this would mean Dragon was the blocker.

Bullzeye wrote:Yay! I'll catch up as quick as I can but in the meantime if anyone would like to summarise what has gone on so far I'd appreciate it.

Welcome Bullz even though you tried to lynch me the last game we played together. :P

So I'll give a quick and hopefully unbias summary.
A portion of the players including myself has been suspicious of Enrique for awhile, Enrique claims to be poisoned and we've had alot of back and forth about him. Day 1 we lynched Matt who flipped as Boba Fett a third party. Day 2 the lynch was between Enrique and Bass (I believe) and Bass ended up getting lynched. He flipped Ackbar a civ. Yesterday bcornett24 was lynched and he flipped as Jabba one of the mafia, we are know thinking Enrique/Simon are teammates of bcornett24 which is a reason for the Enrique lynch

The first two phases neither mafia team submitted a kill . After Matt and Bass subbed in the Empire killed which is leading me to believe one of them is a mafia member or another inactive member who picked up on there activity.

Not sure how active I'll be today so I'm voting Enrique know instead of later.

He tied yesterdays lynch, this was only broken because MM voted like seconds before the deadline.
So Simon tied up the lynch almost stoping Brian from being lynched. If you also see the connections between Enrique and Brian, then factor in Simon saved Enrique from a tie earlier this game, he comes off as suspicious. I think this is a good reason to lynch someone, however I'd prefer to lynch Enrique over Simon today and then see how Enrique flips.

Glorfidndel what do you think of Enrique/Simon who do you plan to vote for?