The Syndicate

Write up hasn't happened still alive?....am I a ghost? if so their will be some series haunting
thanks golden/sloonie

Wait no I'm sorry I dont want to go out in a gracious exit, let me try again..............IF YOU LYNCH ME YOUR ALLLLLLLL DEAD IM A BOMB...... so you better run

better? :P

I might be independent you never know....Don't sigh I could be.....

Okay let me be serious, I want the other mafia team gone I suspect some may have voted for me, I would say LC is mafia I was trying to get him to give a good argument about sloonie so I could lynch him after my post saying sloonie was clean but that never happened. After LC never responded he became more and more suspicious to me, you might not believe this, but my suspicion of LC and many others was true maybe not all but some were. I was actively hunting mafia during this game I will leave it up to you to figure out which of my reads were honest which were not. Minus LC string him up and kill Cobalt when your at it (that's a joke CObalt).........maybe

Oh and btw my number has to do with the police they can rolecheck/protect or kill

ironic very ironic.
It has been fun I look forward to our next game together......and Sloonie/Scotty I hate you both lynching an innocent civ like me

(I'm joking you were both good with me I would say good luck but I wouldn't really mean it)

I made this post since I was bored and rarely post in the end game but again it was fun

Good by I will see you all in hell

so you won't ask me to play anymore if I flip mafia

I gave reasoning before on LC, im convinced he is mafia especially since Epi switched his vote,h didn't answermy questions, and the golden/LC thing

We could always fire drill LC he is mafia

Okay I will give you the point about Scotty

I read FZ post he is still a null I'm justhaving trouble getting a read from him, but I would say he was more of a slight scum read. after rereading their posts.

I don't see nij support against me in that post?

FZ is an unknown and I had no clue about himk Ninja was a strong town until she swooped in voted for me then left and said she was to tired to readanything kinda like look theirs a bandwagon I can go with it and stay concealed. Golden defense of TB which echoes why people target me made him higheron my list, and Scotty saying he was tired and hadn't read the thread which means he never read my defenses and would keep his vote on me. I might be slightly paranoid with some of my reads since I'm about to die but dropping in like that in both cases was suscpious to me

When TB flips scum then Golden would also be scum.

0-10 10 highest 1 lowest
0 being 100% civ
1 being hard civ
2 slight hard
3 medium civ
4 light
5 null
6 leanscum
7 mild scum
8 scum
9 Hard scum read
10 Scum100%

You have mafia people here
Sloonei 3
Scotty 6 same as with Nijuuk
FZ. (5
TinyBubbles 9
, Golden 6
Epignosis 7
Metalmarsh89 8
, nijuukyugou 5 she was less scum before her switching andthen saying she would just run and lynch

There is enough time to have a fire drill and go not for either me or TB I truly think LC would be a better lynch then either of us at this point. Whichever way heflips we would get more info then from a TB/SIg lynhc.

Sloonie I meant in a mafia sort of tailoring not a misplaced civ going with the herd.

Another drive by vote, *sigh* but I still say Nijukk is a strong town.
Timmer the mafia can silence I have never played a game were the town can.

Metal Votes against me to tie it, switch off and say it is to force a retie, and then switch back to me after EPi 2.0 votes for me giving me a 2 lead up. Is this not suspicious to anyone? His and EPis votes both seem tailored to get me lynched.

This being after he had the whole phase with people targeting me to switch his vote, to me.

Yeah I am, after having the same vote for so long I say I would lynch LC aand point out that is who he is lynching and then say he might be mafia And he suddenly switches to me?

Ironic seeing how I said he could be mafia getting silenced by his own team and he switch and votes for me?

Unless of course Epi 2.0 is really mafia being silenced to avoid suspicioun and to be able to cast a vote without having to explain however if this was the case I think he would ahve votedfor either myself or TB

You know Sloonie I gave my case I can't add much in my defense, I was flipfloppy in my first vote and was hesitant to lynch Cobalt that was partially since we'are from the same site and he had acted that way before I didn't want to start with a mislynch. Honestly I'm suspicious of TB but I would rather vote for LC at this point for a few reasons. I liked Golden's argument against him and the fact he never answered why your own his list. He has ignored my question it is almost like he was throwing people on his list. Also Epi 2.0 is silenced which suggest to me he isn't mafia yet he still voted forLC I can only think he views LC as the most suspicious. Having said that I still don't trust Cobalt but I would rather lynch LC then TB, I won't switch my vote until the heat on me has gone down though. I would rather lynch someone who I have a suspicion of which will also let me have a higher chance of living then throwing away my vote on LC and dying aswell.

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Sloonei what do you make of Golden's explanation of why TB isn't suspicious based on my case against her?

I should have quoted Tb's post sorry about that I would suggest going to her In topic post and looking at her comments especially the first (2-6)
Also for the gender list I'm male

@Golden I didn't play any past games with her and look at the heat I'm getting for saying the same thing about Cobalt? So what is the difference between my hesitation of Cobalt due to past games and even my voting for SVS because of past experiences with self votes, but you us what made people suspicious of me to defend TB?

Your second post and third post, saying you won't be good at catching mafia since you've never been mafia, also giving the excuse of being intimidated and not wanting to wrongly accuse and saying you would go with abandwagon. LC is the bandwagon suddenly you don't want to bandwagon anymore? You also voted against LC top bandwagon voted early and said you wouldn't be back and voted for Cobalt, at this point you thought SVS was mafia.

Day 2 you switch back to LC because there are to many votes on Cobalt, even though day 1 you didn't think LC was scum and voted for Cobalt. Your also giving Cobalt the benefit of the doubt since he is an easy lynch target (who you thought was the top mafia day 1 and LC was the last suspicious of the three)

ALso let me call attention to this you said you had to vote early since you would be gone 10+ hours but only 3 hours later you come on and comment

Said you had scummy vibes from Bass twice no reasoning behind these vibes.

Then out of your 13 posts you make 4 in the final few hours, switch from lynching yourself to lynching me and asking people their opinion of me.
ALL of your early posts were contradictory you switched between LC and CObalt always voting for the one with the least amount even though you said you would go withthe bandwagon until the wagon was onLC. At this point you switched to Cobalt who was going after LC, Day 2 LC with less votes is more suspicious then your day 1 lynch so you could vote for LC and distance yourself while CObalt with the majority of the votes was gone why not stick with your Day 1 vote, CObalt certainly didn't get any cleaner day 2

YOu and LC are mafia I firmly believe this rereading your posts

Ah okay, I don't like the fact that he answered my posts by saying he would answer my questions yet never answered them. If you think we are a team I can't convince you we aren't, but LC and I are not on the same team.

MetalMarsh know that Golden switched his vote to me will you change your vote to make it a tie again?

Just noticed Epi put his vote on LC, thoughts on this?

@ Sloonie I'm not buddying up, I view you as more of a misguided civilian targeting me, but at this point the amount of tunneling on me and the fact that you ask so many questions lead me to believe your clean, I try not to let my judgment be clouded by people who lynch vote me. To me I'm always suspicious of Cobalt I wanted to be very certain of my Cobalt vote and this was because of past games we played were he turned out civ and I thought he was mafia, though if you weren't satisfied by my explanation you won't be no matter how I explain it.

LC on page 39 switchs and says he will vote for me AND still hasn't answered my question? Then page 40 he switches to Golden and says Gman would be next what happened to me?

Reading LC/Golden fight and Golden makes some good points, plus LC never answering my question (or I just missed his answer?) is really starting to bug me.

As I said my read on Cobalt changed since I was really unsure about him. I expressed that in my posts, I can see why this makes me suspicious, but I was conflicted and unsure of what to think about CObalt.

Notice Sloonie said he finds TBs self vote suspicious, Slonnie how does her self vote feel much different then SVS and how so?
TB switched her vote but please still answer this question Sloonie.

MetalMArsh why if we were on the same team would he ignore my questions? If anything he would answer them since Iwouldn't ask them unless wehad something going on. Please explain this.

Okay it seems to me TB switched her vote to me the same way she voted for LC she picked up on someone elses suspicion of me and jumped on the wagon after voting for herself. She is joining the bandwagon against me like she did with LC earlier. ALSo to Golden I never voted for LC and in fact was leaning civ until today. I was suspicious of TB for awhile and will vote for her.

Any other questions please ask I will be on for awhile.

Okay So i'm commenting as I read
@Scotty I said Golden is more likely to be clean since there are two mafia teams, so he is more likely to be clean but not a hard clean read.

I am asking LC alot of questions, but mainly since he doesn't seem to be answering them, I'm very curios why he thinks both Sloonie and I are Orange. I keep asking so that hopeful I get an answer. I didn't follow through with my suspicion that is a problem of mine tbh my suspicion of black rock was weak but I was saying if I don't see another option I would have lynched BR at that time. I looked back and reread BR slip up and I will admit I did pursue that and it wasn't very substantial. I have been asking LC opinion since his list and like I said I keep asking since he hasn't answered.

Okay sorry about not being active this phase as much.
Metal why is my questions to LC suspicious? I wanted to know why Sloonie was on his list isn't a good civ supposed to ask questions?

Notice as I said a main point for making me suspicious of SVS was the fact she lynched herself, I can go blue in the face with giving my reasoning again, but i have already multiply times said why I voted SVS over Cobalt, I then voted Cobalt day 2 so it isn't like I dropped Cobalt I attempted to lynch him. I will admit I flipflopped on day 1, I wasn't conviced and the main reason I voted for SVS was the fact she voted for herself, many other people were unsure of SVS or Cobalt it isn't like I was the deciding lynch vote. I haven't read anything but this page of the thread so I will be back in a bit to catch up and answer any questions asked.

So looking at the night kill attempt I would say Golden is more likely to be clean.

Cobalt seems to be hypnotized, but even so he still voted for LC which is consistent with the previous days. Can in theory the mafia target another mafia player from the same team to get hypnotized? If we think LC is innocent but Cobalt is scum that would be the best way to push an LC lynch by the mafia.

nijuukyugou pinged me with her first post and has posted minimum after that, however she says it is her playstyle and since no other players called her out on that I will assume it is true. After finding out a tie doesn't equal a no lynch she dropped on my suspect list. I think she is my only hard civ read right know.
LC sorry to be pestering you, but why is Sloonie scum?

Can someone refresh my mind with why people find Bass suspicious?

Black Rocks slip up and general posting vibes I'm getting would be enough for me to lynch them if I can't find anyone else.

MetalMarsh89 why are you lynching LC again?

Welcome G-Man could you tell me your current reads?

LC why is Slooni mafia read to you? I asked this earlier but it appears to have gotten lost in the commotion.

Three people voted for LC Metalmarsh89 Cobalt TinyBubbles
TB and Metal why did you both vote for LC?

Okay nutella thanks I couldn't remember him posting or any being asked to be replaced. So everyone is still alive shouldn't Cobalt have died and taken LC with him. Unless Cobalt is really unlynchable.

I don't have much to add at this point, but two things are sticking out to me right know, who is or were is BirdwithTeeth11, DREAM, and Neverwhere have they postd at all or did they sub in?
The second thing is why did TB vote for LC?

I can see the case against Black Rock, but I would like to see how the night plays out before talking about any other players. I will spend tomorrow looking over the top suspicious people and form some opinions and questions for them that I will post either late night 2 or day 3.

One thing I noticed LC list and I disagree I don't find Sloonie suspicious I think his questioning is that of a good civilian even if he finds me suspicious.

LC why is SLooni mafia read to you?
Sloonie why are you lynching Black Rock if you could give me a summery at some point that would be appreciated.

Okay to go along with my other reasoning for lynching Cobalt there is one more thing, this has something to do with another mafia game we are currently in so I really can't give any information about it. I Know this sounds scummy, but bare with it for a bit.
I'm know more sure that LC is innocent (this is solo based off of the Cobalt/LC exchange) and CObalt is either mafia or independent. So I will put my money were my mouth is and vote for Cobalt, he was my second day 1 choice after I decided on SVS.
Cobalt might say this is a revenge lynch, though that isn't the case I won't be restating my argument for why I think Cobalt is scummy and I will provided additional information of my other mafia game if I'm lynched this phase.

It says quite clearly votes aren't change able did you not notice or is this an excuse to continue your bandwagon against LC?
Cobalt has never said in games we played, if you want to lynch me fine lynch me. He usually will become more hostile and fight to literally the bitter end.

A big thing with rereading Cobalts interactions is his LC tunneling he doesn't usually only have one major mafia read. He was one of my top 2 lynch choice of day 1 his early lynch vote of LC is scummy and I'm not buying he didn't realize votes were none chang able. As Scotty said a Cobalt lynch could give us information either way. Though I think he is either mafia or playing a really messy game.

Sloonei wrote:sig (whoa this page is a lot easier to use and look at on my laptop)

My focus was initially drawn to sig by Scotty's post Night 1. I had a look at sig's posts and was a bit surprised by how few of them there were. To me that's usually a bad sign for a player, as it seemed like sig had been around the game more, which gives me the idea that maybe he's "wallflowering", to borrow a term I've seen others use in this game.
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sig wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Fashionably late to the party yet again. I picked 10 because it was still there. Most generic number here

Also, YAY GAME!!!

Also, also, MP: 1 Day truce?

The very fact that you want a 1 Day truce indicates to me that you possibly could be hiding something.
A day one truce would be more beneficently for the mafia imo. If each mafia team can kill and if any independents have kill stocks we could be down without any information on day one.
@MovingPictures07 why do you think a day one truce would be good?
This is his first game-related post and he's already guilty of the much maligned "talking about issues instead of players" sin. While I don't think that's an entirely reliable line of casing, it did catch my eye in this particular instance because I do not really get where he's coming from and it seems like he's reaching too far to maybe introduce the beginnings of a suspicion against the players involved in the "Day 1 truce" thing (speaking of which, that episode did raise some alarms for me. I was hoping MP would post more before I commented on it, but). Would you be able to explain what your reasoning was when you made this post, sig? How seriously did you take the talk about a Day 1 truce between MP and Devin? Did you think we were at risk of an abundance of Day 1 truces?

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sig wrote:I don't see SVS as that suspicious what is the argument against him?

I find Epi interesting he or she? is trying to find the mafia, but with two teams he could be mafia hunting in hopes to get rid of the other team, He is leaning as not a mafia for me at the moment, but only slightly.

I have a null read on Gumshoe, I'm unsure off him from his early engagement with Cobalt. But his response to Golden seemed sound.

Sloonie has contributed alot some fluff some not I find it interesting he says he isn't a noob. You would think if he was mafia he would say he was a noob so any slip ups made could be blamed on his newbieness. Are you suspicious of a Gumshoe/Cobalt mafia team or were you just pointing it out in early posts?

I don't like XthAtGAm3RGuYX waiting until day 2 to be serious however, this doesn't mean he is mafia he could just have that play style in general. Though I don't really like this play style it isn't overly suspicious. I haven't seen a reply about how people are circumventing his methods either which I would like to see. His later replays about how his activity seem fine but, he is null at the moment.

Cobalt why do you think LC is suspicious could you summarize that and why you think Epi is clean? Or is this a gutfeeling? I'm also not so sure about the bandwagon Cobalt seems to be pushing. But then again I'm never sure about Cobalt and find him to be scummy alot.

I'm not sure about LC I'm not seeing damning evidence against him, but I don't see him as clean yet either.LC what do you think of Cobalt going after you so much? LC second post about Scotty Independence claiming is interesting, not sure if it is a joke or if he was trying to put attention on Scotty.

Hedgeowl seems interesting he (sorry if I'm not getting gender right please correct me) has posted a few times but nothing really of substance Hedgeowl what do you think of the LC votes?
Big list of reads, and all of them read like they were written by sig while sitting on a fence. This sort of wishy-washiness is only acceptable when I do it. He basically just goes through all the names that had been brought up already in the thread and says "I dunno, maybe?". Note also his "not suspicious" read against SVS. This instance is early, but he would end up voting for her over Cobalt.

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sig wrote:
TinyBubbles wrote: And i'm a good guy AGAIN for the third time in a row! Which really doesn't help me train my mafia hunting instincts, like they say it takes a thief to catch a thief.

This first lynch vote i'm gonna probably bandwagon on the most voted person, since i figure that is marginally better than voting a random. It's a cop out, i know. Don't shoot me.
Snipped out some stuff, What Tiny Bubbles said is about being town is sending off warning bells, as well as saying they aren't very good at catching mafia until they play as mafia. This could be what he said or not. My thoughts on this is that maybe this was a first time mafia slip up? Saying they got Civ again and won't be good at catching mafia. Could this be a set up for when they try to lynch Cobalt? Here is the scenario, Cobalt gets lynched flips civilian TIny can turn around and say "since I was never mafia I'm not good at catching them" The first portion is more suspicious then that, but I still find it worth noting, I'm also using Cobalt as the example since TIny has voted for him.

The other thing Tiny said they were most likely going to bandwagon a person the reasoning being it is better then they lynch Cobalt someone with no votes and Tiny is the third person to vote. Not following what they said in this post.

So Tiny why go from bandwagoning on the highest voted player to voting for Cobalt? Also what do you mean by "cop out"

I did read your other posts explaining your votes, but it seems strange to have that change of mind could you explain to me why I should vote for say Cobalt over LC?
Jumps on the very easy TinyBubbles case which, I admit, I'm also feeling a bit of this. I suppose this comes down to whether or not we believe sig's behavior here is authentic. I have doubts. It's really too soon to tell w/r/t TinyBubbles. I hope she posts more today.

Instead of rehashing the points Scotty already laid out, I'll repost them here with Sig's response to them. I support most of what Scotty said, and found sig's vote to be very waffley. He came in seeming to be leaning toward Cobalt, then cast a fairly weak-reasoned vote for SVS while proclaiming to be still be "rereading" Cobalt and SVS in the final 10 minutes. It was these two posts that stood out most to me. Does sig mean to tell us that, in 9 minutes, he fully reviewed all the posts by and about SVS and Cobalt and satisfactorily came to a conclusion about them? In 9 minutes?

Anyway, here's sig's response to Scotty's post:
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sig wrote:
Scotty wrote:
While I'm on the topic, someone else that pinged me in the last 6 pages was Sig.

sig wrote:I don't like how Cobalt switched his vote, he went after LC like crazy yet switches that seems off. I don't think SVS is mafia, but if she is voting for herself is it a tactic to not get lynched or a genuine vote? I really would rather not lynch SVS it is a gut feeling...
OK, questioning Cobalt's merits, doesn't want to mislynch SVS.

sig wrote:I'm here but I'm unsure to vote for I will wait a few minutes, from my brief experience with CObalt he always seems like mafia to me
Uh oh, getting down to the wire. Leaning Cobalt...

sig wrote:We can't absolutely can't have a no lynch today for that reason along with others I will be voting for SVS
MAFIA IS MOST LIKELY TO TIE THE VOTE I'm very suspicious nijuukyugou right know for doing this
Suddenly, you can't have a tie, and so you lean...SVS? Because you're thinking SVS's self-vote is fishy...And then cast doubt on nijuu at the same time.

sig wrote:I have 10 minuets I will reread Cobalts and SVS posts

@Sloonie considering Dom said he has a means of deciding I'm not as worried know I just didn't want a no lynch
Now the no-lynch doesn't matter. So you'll nonchalantly "reread" their posts to see if you want to change your mind, now that you're already currently voting for SVS and not Cobalt.

Which you stick with. Cool, sticking to your guns.
Except,
you changed your vote from Cobalt to SVS to "break the tie", and when you learned that that didn't mean a no-lynch, you just hid behind the barn. Drawing attention away from Cobalt.

And immediately after SVS was lynched:
sig wrote:Quick question do the independents count as civilians against mafia or no? Some games I've played they do others they don't
Weird thing to comment about right after a lynching. What bearing does the answer to your question have on you if you are civ? We don't know what roles independents have, but i can assure you that they are not civilians. They are independent from both mafia and civilians.

I'm on to you, my friend.
As I said Cobalt always seems like mafia to me and the games I've played with him he never is so I was willing to give him the benefit of doubt.

On websites I play on a tie vote equals a no lynch so a wasted first day, with this logic it makes sense that I would view nijuu suspicious as she was bringing it closer to a tied vote. I found the self lynch vote suspicious and I gave my reasoning behind it.

Also I never voted for Cobalt I didn't switch my vote SVS was my first and only vote, so did you misunderstand or are you trying to throw suspicion on me your either lying or have your facts wrong.

This question has a lot of bearing if the independent count as civilians then the mafia is one up, if this was the case I would be more suspicious of Cobalt for his vote switching. As well as the fact that it is good to know our numbers since I've played games were the independents do count as town and some where they do not, I don't see how this is suspicious. Also if I was mafia why would I ask this question on the thread and not in mafia chat?

Your falsehood about my voting as well as what your "pings" are is very strange, what do you Scotty think about the SVS lynch? WHat do you think of CObalt switching votes? How did I draw attention away from CObalt?
sig's follow up responses to my questions are here and here, and I admit I've not thought too hard about them or how they fit into my suspicion of him yet.

So should I even bother responding to your posts if you don't think hard about when I answer you?

Here I will answer your questions and points

1 I was discussing an issue since the day 1 truce was an issue, I wasn't sure of the players and weighted in on my thoughts of a day1 truce the subject at hand. What is the problem with this? This raised alarms with you, but I'm suspicious since I didn't like it either?
A day 1 truce meaning from my thoughts not lynching anyone day 1. I would just call it a no lynch but I figured different people call it different things. THis would have meant we lynched no players and got no information from the lynch while we were down at least two people. At that time I thought each mafia could kill each day. I took them very serious were they joking?
If they meant a truce between themselves such as "I won't lynch you, you won't lynch me" way then I misunderstood them.

2. I became more suspicious of her as time went on. I commented on the top people and tried to insert myself into the discussion and add something, if I didn't do this I would be accused as wallflowering and not voicing thoughts. Notice I asked some questions as well, tried to glean information. My opinion was idk maybe at that time so I said that. I didn't have any hard reads and pointed out things that were interesting and got my attention.

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I jumped on Tiny sure I found her suspicious, You've jumped on me very easily as has Scotty if you don't jump on things that seem off to you and have those people respond you can never get additional information.

I won't go over the Scotty stuff again since I already did and since I had such little time I just clicked the read their posts and did it that way.

@Sloonei I have been fooled by one player and have seen three others try this, maybe it was bad to us past experience from other players, but in a close call that stood out to me, I won't say what I did was wrong it is a tactic I've seen mafia us.

You also make it sound like I'm the only person who wasn't sure who to vote for, this wasn't the case. I've already said these things and this is just rehashing.

Cobalt doesn't usually Tunnel or change votes the way he did, this is suspicious. He always has the confrontational if you lynch me it is your fault attitude. He will also argue as aggressively as he is.
The only big difference I'm seeing is the vote switch without good reasoning and the extreme tunneling of LC he will tunnel some, but not this much his other behavior is the same.

@TIny you mentioned earlier that you would make a post about your thoughts, when you do this please included your views of Cobalt, and LC

Sloonei wrote:What about SVS's self-vote was "fishy" enough to make you choose her instead of Cobalt?
What do you mean by "independents counting as civilians", and why would that have any bearing on your read of Cobalt?
I do not like your WIFOM at the end of that post either.

What does WIFOM mean?

So there are 17civlians 4 independents 3 mafia team A 4 mafia Team B, the mafia has to outnumber the town to win so that means only 3/2 town players left for a mafia win. This doesn't include independents if independents count as town there are 21 people and added four which is at least 4 additional phases. If independents count as Towns every independent killed is bad for the town and good for mafia, if we say Cobalt is mafia then switching to SVS who was an independent is bad for the town, if the independents don't count toward the town this wasn't bad for the town. So if SVS counts toward civilians then this was a bad lynch. Cobalt pushed this lynch if he is mafia then he knew SVS wasn't mafia thus switching to a town/independent.
Again already answered your first question here it is.

@ Sloonei I've played with someone who would always vote for themselves after to many people became suspicious I don't think it is a good mafia method but one person has in the past fooled me bydoing that and I've seen two others do the same, it is a mindgame which always makes me think they are mafia trying to make themselves seem like civilians.

@Scott okay I misunderstood, I was heavily leaning towards lynching Cobalt, but like I said I thought he was mafia last game and he was a civilian he usually has good reads so I was hesitant to lynch him when someone else was in my mind equally if not slightly more suspicious.

At this point I'm not sure what to think of Cobalt I still have him down as heavily suspicious, but i'm not going to go into day 2 voting for him. I want to see Cobalt offer opinions/suspicions on other players besides LC I don't like that he is tunneling LC, but I'm not sure if he is mafia or just very focused. Tunneling a player seems like a bad way for the mafia to act since when said player flips civilian the spot light is on them. However, if CObalt doesn't offer thoughts on other players and stops with the non caring about getting lynched I could support a Cobalt lynch. If he flips mafia we are good, if he flips town we are even better. Flipping town would lead me to believe his few earlier reads were right such as hi s LC tunneling, while flipping mafia would make LC more clean.

So as of right know he would be my number one.

Scotty wrote:
While I'm on the topic, someone else that pinged me in the last 6 pages was Sig.

sig wrote:I don't like how Cobalt switched his vote, he went after LC like crazy yet switches that seems off. I don't think SVS is mafia, but if she is voting for herself is it a tactic to not get lynched or a genuine vote? I really would rather not lynch SVS it is a gut feeling...
OK, questioning Cobalt's merits, doesn't want to mislynch SVS.

sig wrote:I'm here but I'm unsure to vote for I will wait a few minutes, from my brief experience with CObalt he always seems like mafia to me
Uh oh, getting down to the wire. Leaning Cobalt...

sig wrote:We can't absolutely can't have a no lynch today for that reason along with others I will be voting for SVS
MAFIA IS MOST LIKELY TO TIE THE VOTE I'm very suspicious nijuukyugou right know for doing this
Suddenly, you can't have a tie, and so you lean...SVS? Because you're thinking SVS's self-vote is fishy...And then cast doubt on nijuu at the same time.

sig wrote:I have 10 minuets I will reread Cobalts and SVS posts

@Sloonie considering Dom said he has a means of deciding I'm not as worried know I just didn't want a no lynch
Now the no-lynch doesn't matter. So you'll nonchalantly "reread" their posts to see if you want to change your mind, now that you're already currently voting for SVS and not Cobalt.

Which you stick with. Cool, sticking to your guns.
Except,
you changed your vote from Cobalt to SVS to "break the tie", and when you learned that that didn't mean a no-lynch, you just hid behind the barn. Drawing attention away from Cobalt.

And immediately after SVS was lynched:
sig wrote:Quick question do the independents count as civilians against mafia or no? Some games I've played they do others they don't
Weird thing to comment about right after a lynching. What bearing does the answer to your question have on you if you are civ? We don't know what roles independents have, but i can assure you that they are not civilians. They are independent from both mafia and civilians.

I'm on to you, my friend.

As I said Cobalt always seems like mafia to me and the games I've played with him he never is so I was willing to give him the benefit of doubt.

On websites I play on a tie vote equals a no lynch so a wasted first day, with this logic it makes sense that I would view nijuu suspicious as she was bringing it closer to a tied vote. I found the self lynch vote suspicious and I gave my reasoning behind it.

Also I never voted for Cobalt I didn't switch my vote SVS was my first and only vote, so did you misunderstand or are you trying to throw suspicion on me your either lying or have your facts wrong.

This question has a lot of bearing if the independent count as civilians then the mafia is one up, if this was the case I would be more suspicious of Cobalt for his vote switching. As well as the fact that it is good to know our numbers since I've played games were the independents do count as town and some where they do not, I don't see how this is suspicious. Also if I was mafia why would I ask this question on the thread and not in mafia chat?

Your falsehood about my voting as well as what your "pings" are is very strange, what do you Scotty think about the SVS lynch? WHat do you think of CObalt switching votes? How did I draw attention away from CObalt?

Long Con wrote:
sig wrote:Okay looked over both I will be sticking with SVS I can't get over that she voted for herself and I'm taking a gamble here but if she flips mafia I will think Cobalt is right about LC as well, if she flips Civ I would think Cobalt is mafia.
And what does her turning up Indy mean to you, following your train of thought here?

Well I would say this provides not much information at all, which isn't looking good for CObalt imo. We don't know what SVS role was it could have been more in favor of town or against town but this would be guess work. Her turning Indy could explain why people found her suspicious, but if Cobalt and LC are both mafia then they could have both gone after her knowing she wasn't mafia. I find it interesting Cobalt is saying LC must be guilty since he voted against SVS, even though CObalt did the same. SVS wasn't scum per say this along with Cobalts posting in general and his switch from LC to SVS makes me suspicious of him. My thought on LC are the same (Ieaning mafia).

Quick question do the independents count as civilians against mafia or no? Some games I've played they do others they don't

Okay looked over both I will be sticking with SVS I can't get over that she voted for herself and I'm taking a gamble here but if she flips mafia I will think Cobalt is right about LC as well, if she flips Civ I would think Cobalt is mafia.

Epignosis wrote:
sig wrote:@Epi really I have never seen a role that does that it.
That's because I invented it.

Very cool no wonder I've never seen it.

I have 10 minuets I will reread Cobalts and SVS posts

@Sloonie considering Dom said he has a means of deciding I'm not as worried know I just didn't want a no lynch

@Epi really I have never seen a role that does that it.

@ Sloonei I've played with someone who would always vote for themselves after to many people became suspicious I don't think it is a good mafia method but one person has in the past fooled me bydoing that and I've seen two others do the same, it is a mindgame which always makes me think they are mafia trying to make themselves seem like civilians.

Nijuuk if your wary of SVS why not vote for her? I'm not understanding your vote

We can't absolutely can't have a no lynch today for that reason along with others I will be voting for SVS
MAFIA IS MOST LIKELY TO TIE THE VOTE I'm very suspicious nijuukyugou right know for doing this

I'm here but I'm unsure to vote for I will wait a few minutes, from my brief experience with CObalt he always seems like mafia to me, I would have gonewith him on a LC vote but his switching votes has given me a pause. I will be voting for Cobalt/SVS/LC SVSvoted forherself she doesn't want to play?

I don't like how Cobalt switched his vote, he went after LC like crazy yet switches that seems off. I don't think SVS is mafia, but if she is voting for herself is it a tactic to not get lynched or a genuine vote? I really would rather not lynch SVS it is a gut feeling, but I think this is either a mafia misdirect or just a mislynch. However, if SVS is lynched and flips civ it would provided information about potential mafia. But I want to know Cobalt why switch from a LC lynch to SVS when over half the players haven't voted yet? This seems awful strange to me.

@SVS What do you think of Tiny lynching Cobalt and lynching Cobalt in general?
Also you mentioned briefly the buddying up of Golden to Epi what is your thoughts on this know?

TinyBubbles wrote: And i'm a good guy AGAIN for the third time in a row! Which really doesn't help me train my mafia hunting instincts, like they say it takes a thief to catch a thief.

This first lynch vote i'm gonna probably bandwagon on the most voted person, since i figure that is marginally better than voting a random. It's a cop out, i know. Don't shoot me.

Snipped out some stuff, What Tiny Bubbles said is about being town is sending off warning bells, as well as saying they aren't very good at catching mafia until they play as mafia. This could be what he said or not. My thoughts on this is that maybe this was a first time mafia slip up? Saying they got Civ again and won't be good at catching mafia. Could this be a set up for when they try to lynch Cobalt? Here is the scenario, Cobalt gets lynched flips civilian TIny can turn around and say "since I was never mafia I'm not good at catching them" The first portion is more suspicious then that, but I still find it worth noting, I'm also using Cobalt as the example since TIny has voted for him.

The other thing Tiny said they were most likely going to bandwagon a person the reasoning being it is better then they lynch Cobalt someone with no votes and Tiny is the third person to vote. Not following what they said in this post.

So Tiny why go from bandwagoning on the highest voted player to voting for Cobalt? Also what do you mean by "cop out"

I did read your other posts explaining your votes, but it seems strange to have that change of mind could you explain to me why I should vote for say Cobalt over LC?

Okay thanks for clarifying gender

@Sloonei I'm saying if you were mafia it could have been a strategy to say you were a noob, however you said you were not a noob this was something I noted as being a more civilian/ independent action who is attempting to stake a claim so to speak much like what CObalt did so to not be brushed off. So what I'm saying is this imo makes you less likely to be a mafia. If that makes sense?

Okay I wasn't sure if you thought they were together or not thanks for clarifying. A few posts not much but I did notice some looking back it isn't anything damning, I think your posts are well put together you ask questions which is another indicator that you aren't a mafia.

What is your views on an LC lynch and the fact that CObalt is pushing it?

@MovingPictures Okay I was unsure if you were imply that my question was bad so assumed you thought it was sorry about that. I wasn't expecting every case but some that are recurring for example on GTF Cobalt was usually killed night 1 if he survived people assumed he was mafia and would lynch him. Or on JTM were Alpha (I believe?) went after Radical Fuzz which happened many games. Such things like that was what I meant sorry if I wasn't clear.

I don't see SVS as that suspicious what is the argument against him?

I find Epi interesting he or she? is trying to find the mafia, but with two teams he could be mafia hunting in hopes to get rid of the other team, He is leaning as not a mafia for me at the moment, but only slightly.

I have a null read on Gumshoe, I'm unsure off him from his early engagement with Cobalt. But his response to Golden seemed sound.

Sloonie has contributed alot some fluff some not I find it interesting he says he isn't a noob. You would think if he was mafia he would say he was a noob so any slip ups made could be blamed on his newbieness. Are you suspicious of a Gumshoe/Cobalt mafia team or were you just pointing it out in early posts?

I don't like XthAtGAm3RGuYX waiting until day 2 to be serious however, this doesn't mean he is mafia he could just have that play style in general. Though I don't really like this play style it isn't overly suspicious. I haven't seen a reply about how people are circumventing his methods either which I would like to see. His later replays about how his activity seem fine but, he is null at the moment.

Cobalt why do you think LC is suspicious could you summarize that and why you think Epi is clean? Or is this a gutfeeling? I'm also not so sure about the bandwagon Cobalt seems to be pushing. But then again I'm never sure about Cobalt and find him to be scummy alot.

I'm not sure about LC I'm not seeing damning evidence against him, but I don't see him as clean yet either.LC what do you think of Cobalt going after you so much? LC second post about Scotty Independence claiming is interesting, not sure if it is a joke or if he was trying to put attention on Scotty.

Hedgeowl seems interesting he (sorry if I'm not getting gender right please correct me) has posted a few times but nothing really of substance Hedgeowl what do you think of the LC votes?

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