The Syndicate

Choutas wrote:Holy shit. Sorry sig I'd have bet my wanking hand you were scum.

Better learn how to jerk off with your other hand mate.
Thanks Sloonie and MP for hosting and the time you put into it I enjoyed this game alot.
I also am looking forward to playing with you RYM peeps more even if y'all post to much and Sloonie was the one to hunt me down when I was mafia.

Responses underlined

motel room wrote:Hello sig. Since biting back at me trying to make you slip up Day 1 I've been missing from your posts and reads until:

sig wrote:Motel Room
Votes
Day 1 sig (Civ)
Day 2 Long Con (Mafia)
Day 3 Epignosis (Unknown Leaning civ)
Day 4 Sorsha (Civ)
Day 5 espers (Civ)
Day 6 Diiny (Civ)
Day 7 seaside (civ)
Day 8 Russtifinko (Civ)

Dusk Poll voted for Mac and Dr Wilgy just coz.

motel room wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Question for the group:
Was Bea's reaction to one early, changeable vote an overreaction or an appropriate reaction?
Discuss.

Current track: Brian Eno - Sparrowfall (3) (1:24)

Long Con's reasoning was worded pretty confidently for this early in the game. Seems like a legit response. Out of the two i had more of a gut feel against long con, his confidence and his defence of.

He thinks Bea's response to LC was okay.

Commentary. How do you feel about me saying this?

It is null could reality be one teammate talking to another

sig wrote:

motel room wrote:

sig wrote:I agree with Epi's random voting point, in fact this could be just as dangerous to the civilians as a no lynch for day 1.

so like if I pop a vote on sig here for piggybacking epi's point that to me seems misguided, am i all in or just having some RVS fun?

Votes since he think I'm piggybacking off of Epi only reason he gives will end the day with this vote.

Commentary. How do you feel about my Day 1 vote on you?
Suspicious you suspected LC yet followed his wagon and even offered to switch wagons if I would join.

sig wrote:

motel room wrote:

sig wrote:I think your trying to get me to respond in an attempt to make me slip up and get me lynched, and it really isn't my place to tell you who has been suspicious of me that would be like building the case for my own lynch a rather silly thing to do.

well we wouldn't want you to slip up now

I don't like this post, it pings me.

I find it funny.

sig wrote:

motel room wrote:Sig, how would you feel about switching to Long Con with me?

I don't understand this post. He suspicious of me, yet would have switched to LC. He himself though never switches to LC and keeps his vote on me.

Well I switched the very next day immediately and after the LC lynch felt you were townier (although I can't remember why now - something to do with the Day 1 votes, might double check).

sig wrote:

motel room wrote:

thellama73 wrote:I'm not sure how I feel about this MacDougal character.

Seems genuine to me so far. What about him makes you feel otherwise?

Defends Mac still early in the game so it could be nothing, but worth noting.

Commentary. Do you think that its something that I defended mac?
Don't understand this?

sig wrote:

motel room wrote:

HamburgerBoy wrote:

Sorsha wrote:

sig wrote:I think your trying to get me to respond in an attempt to make me slip up and get me lynched, and it really isn't my place to tell you who has been suspicious of me that would be like building the case for my own lynch a rather silly thing to do.

What raises my brows about this one is that you say “make me slip up” as opposed to “make me say something that could be considered a slip up.” I don’t think civvies slip up.

Does that kind of caveat even need to be said? The latter would be the obvious read into it; actually, legitimate scumslips are very rare on RYM, and I'd imagine they are here as well. After all, the matter of who accused sig is an open record for anyone wanting to find it; it was mostly Zebra. Maybe he was afraid to admit that it wasn't really multiple people prior to motel/aokiji's pressuring? Otherwise, the only way I see even the potential for a slip would be if sig is trying to distance from Zebra, in the event that Zebra bussed him. I think that's very unlikely and pretty suicidal though; if sig was lynched and flipped scum, no one is going to go "A-ha, Zebra did bus him!" just because he made a good read on a very early game vote.

My issue with it is the mentality of not wanting to "slip up", wording aside. Town just does shit, scum are worried how they'll look. Mostly. Anyway sig's been more verbose and I guess willing to slip up in his defences so thats a thing.

Okay wait he is still giving a reason for lynching me, yet just awhile ago asked if I would be willing to switch to LC. I believe he asked this to appear more civvie if I flipped civ or if LC ended up getting lynched making him appear civvie also.

"if" you flipped civ? Also I'm not sure what the deal is about Hamburgerguy being scum maybe, but that defence of his for you there looks suspicious mate.

Yes if I flipped, interesting it is commonly accepted that HB was civ I thought. You're know trying tocast doubt on a dead player, to give a reason for my lynch.

sig wrote:

motel room wrote:

Long Con wrote:

FZ. wrote:LC's vote for Bea did strike me as fake...

I have to get ready and leave for work soon, so it's time to cast a real vote. The bea vote was actually fake. I thought, since votes are changeable, I'd make a fake case and see if I could catch any opportunistic baddies trying to latch on to it and follow the vote. It didn't really bear fruit; looking over BWT's reasons for voting bea, he is coming from a completely different angle. The truth is, bea's behaviour is pretty normal for her, and I don't suspect her much at all.

My real vote today will go to sig. Despite the reasonable explanation he had for my original suspicion of him (that he was crafting his posts too much, in a baddie way), I've found a few of his reactions suspicious. His reaction that I was "distancing" from him when I forgot he was the third player involved in an earlier discussion was bizarre, as was his assertion that I (and others) are "desperate to try and get him lynched".

sig, saying we're desperate to try and get you lynched strikes me in two ways, neither of them making me feel comfortable about you. On one hand, it's overdefensive and paranoid, and on the other, it's a way to buffalo us out of voting for you... because who wants to looks "desperate" to lynch someone on Day 1?

It's not much, but it's the behaviour I found most suspicious today, and it's time for me to lock in a vote.

Sorry for using you, bea!

Feels pressured and gross. Long Con's wording on his vote for bea was so confident. This feels like backpedalling.

Mentions LC more doesn't like him or his vote on me. Yet once again he doesn't switch from his current vote or pursues an LC vote yet.

It's Day 1. Like I've got anything else to go on.

sig wrote:On day 2 voted for LC switched to Choutas switches back to LC.

Commentary. Is this switch of votes suspicious to you? Or does my voting Long Con nullify your above points?

sig wrote:

motel room wrote:

Diiny wrote:Not the time, I know, but it's annoying me. What's the floyd's deal? He's posting regularly on OT as far as I can tell so he's not exactly short on time. Even if he was it's in nobody's best interest to post one off topic thing. Probably some stupid gambit.

I get the feeling he's in a bit over his head, our Floyd.

Not much, some defense of Floyd but something that I'm probably just nitpicking at he says out floyd. Just a manner of speaking, our as in from RYM, or tiny scum slip up our as in on our team? Doubt it but figured I would mention it.

"Our" from RYM.
Okay

sig wrote:Day 3 starts vote on EPi for his defense of LC ends day with this vote.

motel room wrote:still reading through but i'm putting a vote on Sorsha so that I can see where the votes currently are cos otherwise it's just radio buttons.

Day 4 votes Sorsha but, I don't quite understand why he did this.

Like I said elsewhere, this read was mostly borrowed after catching up from the weekend.

sig wrote:Calls out Mac for switching from Sorsha.

Like I said elsewhere, this was the most suspicious I got of mac cos that shit made no sense. Later he seemed to have his focus back and I felt good about him again, wrongly.

sig wrote:

motel room wrote:Matt F's theory is sketchy and I don't why he's so confident about it.

Mac's theory on epi seems more likely and more based in evidence but still just a theory. I'm not comfortable with epi - the Syndicaters are defending his style still but when he was under some attention earlier he came out and did just enough leg work to let it blow over and has returned to sitting pretty. Dunno about the SK but I have no probs voting epi.

Mac himself has mostly seemed towny to me, up until he jumped off his Sorsha wagon and started pursuing Matt F over what started as a mild ping or whatever he called it. After that it seemed like mac was in chaos mode and was less about "who is scum" and more about "what can I get away with". But I say "was" because I like how he responded to Matt F's accusation - I read some others are using this as evidence against but I see it as positive evidence.

One thing I may have missed in catch up - mac, why though are you less concerned with Matt? He's not even in your top 6 thingy atm.

Once again voices suspicions of Epi, still think Mac is towny, but has some misgiving. I can't tell if this is genuine or an attempt to distance himself from a fellow scum.

What do you think it is?
It is that of a fellow scum.

sig wrote:

motel room wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Who should we make dead, aokiji?

espers or epi.
To a slightly lesser extent, Diiny or Devin.

esper who he later voted for, and Epi who he has multiply times expressed suspicion off.

Commentary. Does this mean I was steady in my genuine suspicions or are you reading something else into it?

sig wrote:

motel room wrote:These elaborate scum bussing strategies that are being put forward, are they common here on the Syndicate? Because while they can happen over on RYM the most common scum strategy is just lay low pretty much. Bussing is rarely organised and generally just a self-preservation technique.

So reading all of this about how Long Con set up this big ol bus seems so far fetched to me. Remembering back to the day he was lynched, he was a contender but not the contender. I'm fairly sure that my return vote on him put him back in the lead and I know I did that from a genuine suspicion of him so I can't really get behind any of these "strategy" scenarios. He may have wanted out and told teammates not to fight it too hard but I really doubt it was a planned bus. My two cents, for the guy who is pretty sure Mac is scum cos of that idea. I still think mac is town.


Black Rock is the next major lynch contender, what's the deal there?

He thinks Mac is town and does some soft defense of him. He also mentions the BK lynch asking what is up with it.

These post really ping me

Why does it ping you? I did think mac was town and I was asking what was happening with the Black Rock reads that were starting to happen. I don't think it pings you.

It does ping me your defense of Mac, and then the vote for BK which you quickly changed is pingy.

sig wrote:

motel room wrote:

Choutas wrote:Motelroom if you think Mac is town(you just said it), would you save him from a lynch? He's the leading vote getter. Or you're going to idly park your vote in a lynch that won't happen?

I would probably vote to save him, yes. We still have 24 hours at least though.

motel room wrote:

MacDougall wrote:Self pres voting wilgy

I'll get on Epi if you go back to voting there.

Not anti wilgy atm. Out of the other 2-vote "wagons" I'd go Diiny or I guess Black Rock.

No one wants to stacks-on Choutas with me? Carn.

Day 6 votes Diiny over Mac however he then switches to BK

motel room wrote:I could do a black rock vote. Dunno if it'd pick up enough steam

motel room wrote:alrighty, Black Rock

But in about an hour he switches to Diiny again.
So he switches from Diiny to BK a scum to Diiny again.

What does that mean to you? How do you read that switch of votes?

sig wrote:He gives some defense of Floy but not much.

I've now defended two scums apparently. I'm having a baller game.

sig wrote:Defends himself against accusations about Mac, saying he thought he was town.

motel room wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:DIINY

DRWILGY

ELOHCIN

EPIGNOSIS

good

good

good

good

Why do you know think Epi and Diiny are clean what changed your mind about them?

Epi because of the way he was so firm against mac, and was correct. My suspicion of Diiny was mostly because his activity level dropped off, but when he came back his content seemed genuine.

sig wrote:Final Thoughts. I really don't like Motel's day 1 he voices some doubt about LC but votes with LC until day 2 when he lynches LC. I believe with Day 1 he was trying to keep his options open between Me and LC so he could switch to LC if he needed to.

Why would I have "needed to"? What does that mean?

sig wrote:His solid defense of Mac seems scummy to me, but he is so aggressive in his defense that it makes me pause. However, he also lynches Diiny and that was a close lynch. I think his defense of Mac makes him look slightly scummy.
Motel Room comes off as looking scummy to me, he pushes epi and diiny but in gun to head thinks they are clean, it seems with Mac's flip he dropped the Diiny lynch. I view this as a scum trying to distance himself from a teammate who flipped mafia. This along with Day 1 and his defense of Mac furthers my view that Motel room is mafia. Though I would like other peoples opinions on Motel Room before I place my vote.

If you're interested in my opinion, I don't think you actually feel one way or another about me. You are giving yourself too much wiggle room here saying I'm scummy (seriously, check that last para saying I'm scummy three times in four sentences) but then I might not be. You say that by changing my mind on Diiny you see that as me trying to distance myself from.. mac? Who is my "teammate" in this scenario?

This is weak sig. I'm not buying it.

looks like I fucked up the quoting and its too hard to get right. Putting the responses in yellow.

linki - about a million posts[/quote]


You ask questions but don't really respond to any of my points, you don't answer any of the questions such as why in gun to headdid you mark Epi and Diiny as good? You avoided actually answering any of my points and is simply trying to turn it around back to me.

For the time I will be voting for motel room I encourage others to do the same. However, if it comes down to me or another player I will switch my vote to save myself.

Motel Room

I do agree with you Russ on your suspicion of Motel Room. Tomorrow I will read over Fuzz's post from what JJJ has said I've liked. The only issue though is I still have some doubts about JJJ.
At this time I would prefer a motel room lynch.

Russ why did you vote for motel room day 8?

Radical Fuzz could you give me some more reasoning for your wilgy vote? Besides him who else would you be willing to lynch today?

I will be quickly looking over Russ again, what is the case against him since he has been a candidate for lynches and I can't seem to recall what the suscpioun is based on.

typo on my part they should both be leaning civ as well.

I'm seeing Diiny as civ lean because he became the counter wagon to Mac, common sense says he should be clean, so slight civ lean.
Russ I don't recall being suspicious of him this game or getting many pings so at this point he is civ lean as well.

Motel Room
Votes
Day 1 sig (Civ)
Day 2 Long Con (Mafia)
Day 3 Epignosis (Unknown Leaning civ)
Day 4 Sorsha (Civ)
Day 5 espers (Civ)
Day 6 Diiny (Civ)
Day 7 seaside (civ)
Day 8 Russtifinko (Civ)

Dusk Poll voted for Mac and Dr Wilgy just coz.

motel room wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Question for the group:
Was Bea's reaction to one early, changeable vote an overreaction or an appropriate reaction?
Discuss.

Current track: Brian Eno - Sparrowfall (3) (1:24)

Long Con's reasoning was worded pretty confidently for this early in the game. Seems like a legit response. Out of the two i had more of a gut feel against long con, his confidence and his defence of.

He thinks Bea's response to LC was okay.

motel room wrote:

sig wrote:I agree with Epi's random voting point, in fact this could be just as dangerous to the civilians as a no lynch for day 1.

so like if I pop a vote on sig here for piggybacking epi's point that to me seems misguided, am i all in or just having some RVS fun?

Votes since he think I'm piggybacking off of Epi only reason he gives will end the day with this vote.

motel room wrote:

sig wrote:I think your trying to get me to respond in an attempt to make me slip up and get me lynched, and it really isn't my place to tell you who has been suspicious of me that would be like building the case for my own lynch a rather silly thing to do.

well we wouldn't want you to slip up now

I don't like this post, it pings me.

motel room wrote:Sig, how would you feel about switching to Long Con with me?

I don't understand this post. He suspicious of me, yet would have switched to LC. He himself though never switches to LC and keeps his vote on me.

motel room wrote:

thellama73 wrote:I'm not sure how I feel about this MacDougal character.

Seems genuine to me so far. What about him makes you feel otherwise?

Defends Mac still early in the game so it could be nothing, but worth noting.

motel room wrote:

HamburgerBoy wrote:

Sorsha wrote:

sig wrote:I think your trying to get me to respond in an attempt to make me slip up and get me lynched, and it really isn't my place to tell you who has been suspicious of me that would be like building the case for my own lynch a rather silly thing to do.

What raises my brows about this one is that you say “make me slip up” as opposed to “make me say something that could be considered a slip up.” I don’t think civvies slip up.

Does that kind of caveat even need to be said? The latter would be the obvious read into it; actually, legitimate scumslips are very rare on RYM, and I'd imagine they are here as well. After all, the matter of who accused sig is an open record for anyone wanting to find it; it was mostly Zebra. Maybe he was afraid to admit that it wasn't really multiple people prior to motel/aokiji's pressuring? Otherwise, the only way I see even the potential for a slip would be if sig is trying to distance from Zebra, in the event that Zebra bussed him. I think that's very unlikely and pretty suicidal though; if sig was lynched and flipped scum, no one is going to go "A-ha, Zebra did bus him!" just because he made a good read on a very early game vote.

My issue with it is the mentality of not wanting to "slip up", wording aside. Town just does shit, scum are worried how they'll look. Mostly. Anyway sig's been more verbose and I guess willing to slip up in his defences so thats a thing.

Okay wait he is still giving a reason for lynching me, yet just awhile ago asked if I would be willing to switch to LC. I believe he asked this to appear more civvie if I flipped civ or if LC ended up getting lynched making him appear civvie also.

motel room wrote:

Long Con wrote:

FZ. wrote:LC's vote for Bea did strike me as fake...

I have to get ready and leave for work soon, so it's time to cast a real vote. The bea vote was actually fake. I thought, since votes are changeable, I'd make a fake case and see if I could catch any opportunistic baddies trying to latch on to it and follow the vote. It didn't really bear fruit; looking over BWT's reasons for voting bea, he is coming from a completely different angle. The truth is, bea's behaviour is pretty normal for her, and I don't suspect her much at all.

My real vote today will go to sig. Despite the reasonable explanation he had for my original suspicion of him (that he was crafting his posts too much, in a baddie way), I've found a few of his reactions suspicious. His reaction that I was "distancing" from him when I forgot he was the third player involved in an earlier discussion was bizarre, as was his assertion that I (and others) are "desperate to try and get him lynched".

sig, saying we're desperate to try and get you lynched strikes me in two ways, neither of them making me feel comfortable about you. On one hand, it's overdefensive and paranoid, and on the other, it's a way to buffalo us out of voting for you... because who wants to looks "desperate" to lynch someone on Day 1?

It's not much, but it's the behaviour I found most suspicious today, and it's time for me to lock in a vote.

Sorry for using you, bea!

Feels pressured and gross. Long Con's wording on his vote for bea was so confident. This feels like backpedalling.

Mentions LC more doesn't like him or his vote on me. Yet once again he doesn't switch from his current vote or pursues an LC vote yet.

On day 2 voted for LC switched to Choutas switches back to LC.

motel room wrote:

Diiny wrote:Not the time, I know, but it's annoying me. What's the floyd's deal? He's posting regularly on OT as far as I can tell so he's not exactly short on time. Even if he was it's in nobody's best interest to post one off topic thing. Probably some stupid gambit.

I get the feeling he's in a bit over his head, our Floyd.

Not much, some defense of Floyd but something that I'm probably just nitpicking at he says out floyd. Just a manner of speaking, our as in from RYM, or tiny scum slip up our as in on our team? Doubt it but figured I would mention it.

Day 3 starts vote on EPi for his defense of LC ends day with this vote.

motel room wrote:still reading through but i'm putting a vote on Sorsha so that I can see where the votes currently are cos otherwise it's just radio buttons.

Day 4 votes Sorsha but, I don't quite understand why he did this.

Calls out Mac for switching from Sorsha.

motel room wrote:Matt F's theory is sketchy and I don't why he's so confident about it.

Mac's theory on epi seems more likely and more based in evidence but still just a theory. I'm not comfortable with epi - the Syndicaters are defending his style still but when he was under some attention earlier he came out and did just enough leg work to let it blow over and has returned to sitting pretty. Dunno about the SK but I have no probs voting epi.

Mac himself has mostly seemed towny to me, up until he jumped off his Sorsha wagon and started pursuing Matt F over what started as a mild ping or whatever he called it. After that it seemed like mac was in chaos mode and was less about "who is scum" and more about "what can I get away with". But I say "was" because I like how he responded to Matt F's accusation - I read some others are using this as evidence against but I see it as positive evidence.

One thing I may have missed in catch up - mac, why though are you less concerned with Matt? He's not even in your top 6 thingy atm.

Once again voices suspicions of Epi, still think Mac is towny, but has some misgiving. I can't tell if this is genuine or an attempt to distance himself from a fellow scum.

motel room wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Who should we make dead, aokiji?

espers or epi.
To a slightly lesser extent, Diiny or Devin.

esper who he later voted for, and Epi who he has multiply times expressed suspicion off.

motel room wrote:These elaborate scum bussing strategies that are being put forward, are they common here on the Syndicate? Because while they can happen over on RYM the most common scum strategy is just lay low pretty much. Bussing is rarely organised and generally just a self-preservation technique.

So reading all of this about how Long Con set up this big ol bus seems so far fetched to me. Remembering back to the day he was lynched, he was a contender but not the contender. I'm fairly sure that my return vote on him put him back in the lead and I know I did that from a genuine suspicion of him so I can't really get behind any of these "strategy" scenarios. He may have wanted out and told teammates not to fight it too hard but I really doubt it was a planned bus. My two cents, for the guy who is pretty sure Mac is scum cos of that idea. I still think mac is town.


Black Rock is the next major lynch contender, what's the deal there?

He thinks Mac is town and does some soft defense of him. He also mentions the BK lynch asking what is up with it.

These post really ping me

[quote="motel room"

Choutas wrote:Motelroom if you think Mac is town(you just said it), would you save him from a lynch? He's the leading vote getter. Or you're going to idly park your vote in a lynch that won't happen?

I would probably vote to save him, yes. We still have 24 hours at least though.[/quote]

motel room wrote:

MacDougall wrote:Self pres voting wilgy

I'll get on Epi if you go back to voting there.

Not anti wilgy atm. Out of the other 2-vote "wagons" I'd go Diiny or I guess Black Rock.

No one wants to stacks-on Choutas with me? Carn.

Day 6 votes Diiny over Mac however he then switches to BK

motel room wrote:I could do a black rock vote. Dunno if it'd pick up enough steam

motel room wrote:alrighty, Black Rock

But in about an hour he switches to Diiny again.
So he switches from Diiny to BK a scum to Diiny again.

He gives some defense of Floy but not much.

Defends himself against accusations about Mac, saying he thought he was town.

motel room wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:DIINY

DRWILGY

ELOHCIN

EPIGNOSIS

good

good

good

good

Why do you know think Epi and Diiny are clean what changed your mind about them?

Final Thoughts. I really don't like Motel's day 1 he voices some doubt about LC but votes with LC until day 2 when he lynches LC. I believe with Day 1 he was trying to keep his options open between Me and LC so he could switch to LC if he needed to.
His solid defense of Mac seems scummy to me, but he is so aggressive in his defense that it makes me pause. However, he also lynches Diiny and that was a close lynch. I think his defense of Mac makes him look slightly scummy.
Motel Room comes off as looking scummy to me, he pushes epi and diiny but in gun to head thinks they are clean, it seems with Mac's flip he dropped the Diiny lynch. I view this as a scum trying to distance himself from a teammate who flipped mafia. This along with Day 1 and his defense of Mac furthers my view that Motel room is mafia. Though I would like other peoples opinions on Motel Room before I place my vote.

Bullzeye wrote:

sig wrote: Quick look at Bulls
Voting
Day 1 None (hadn't subbed in yet)
Day 2 Metalmarsh89 (random vote)
Day 3 Russtifinko
Day 4 Devin the Omniscient
Day 5 FingerSplint
Day 6 bcornett24
Day 7 TheFloyd73
Day 8 Russtifinko

I never voted for Splints...

Sorry splints voted for the player above you and I misread it.

Matt why do you think I'm bad?

I like JJJ case against Fuzz, but will be reading through Fuzz posts and waiting to here their response as I don't yet trust JJJ.

Also for those voting me I would never have targeted LC if we were on the same team, while I didn't vote for him day 1 I did day 2. I also see little reasons for why he would buss me and why I would have defended bea if we were both mafia.

Quick look at Bulls
Voting
Day 1 None (hadn't subbed in yet)
Day 2 Metalmarsh89 (random vote)
Day 3 Russtifinko
Day 4 Devin the Omniscient
Day 5 FingerSplint
Day 6 bcornett24
Day 7 TheFloyd73
Day 8 Russtifinko

Bull's makes some interesting comments, he is suspicious of Sorsha, Golden, and Epi for their defense of LC. Day 3 he votes for Sorsha, he then later in the phases says he thinks Golden is clean and won't be voting for someone who he thinks is civ. Earlier however, he thinks JJJ is right about Golden and golden is mafia. There was a reasonably amount of time so I think this was an honest switch.

He likes FZ argument about Russ and switches his vote, he votes again for Russ on day 8.
Golden suspected Bulls for not lynching him, however I think Bulls defended himself rather well.
Don't see an issue with his Devin vote.
Not sure about his Day 6 vote will need to read over Brian but don't like his Day 5 vote.

Bullzeye wrote:

MacDougall wrote:Based on what? Dude why are you playing so weird? You are usually better than this.

Diiny early game was strange and since getting some suspicion thrown at him has dropped post count massively, which is a pretty good scum tell.

Will you join my MattF lynchparty? It's pretty fun. We have pie and punch.

Aside from his Sorsha vote, Matt probably isn't bad. Let's not throw any lynchparties just yet.

I like this makes Bull's look more clean.

So not a very good ISO compared to everyone, but reading through Bull's post I think he is civ, he advocated for a Floyd lynch also but in the end voted for Russ.
I will look over Russ and see what I see.

Read over Wilgy, I believe he is civ as well.

As I said I could still see you as the mafia ringleader, but I will admit I fault of mine is over thinking the mafia plans and coming up with rather complex scenarios, like the one I am currently entertaining that you sacrificed Floyd, thinking about it this does seem unlikely but not impossibly. Also yes I can see why you would be dubious, but as I said there is still a chance in my mind that you're mafia.

Yes yesterday I was certain, but JJJ voting for Floyd has me doubting it. Unless of course the other leading wagons were also mafia, which they could have been and JJJ picked the player who was the best to lynch. With the whole team winning Floyd could have been a sacrifice for the mafia team. But talking like that just makes me sound crazy.

With Floyd's flip I'm less confident you're mafia. You could have bused Floyd knowing how he would flip to further clear you, but not enough people were suspicious of you, for you to have to waste a team member like that.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

sig wrote:MM bad
Strawhenge good
Floyd bad
Motel Room bad
Epignosis good

You just told us you're unsure of the leading wagons. The leading wagons are the three people you've just called bad.

Yes you're correct. However my thoughts on MM hinge on whether or not I think Straw is good and is right so MM is leaning bad. Floyd I thought was bad and had suspicions of him for awhile but I preferred to lynch you who I find to be a bigger threat. Motel room seems bad to me, it is more of a gut read still.

Know ask me questions I will defend myself I'm a civ that much is true. I still think JJJ is mafia and if anything me calling him out is what is going to get me lynched.

Straw with the floyd lynch will you still be pursing MM?
Notice the three who are lynching me are all who I voiced doubt about or voted for at some time I don't think all three are mafia but I do think they are blinded since I voted for them and are willing to believe JJJ.

MM bad
Strawhenge good
Floyd bad
Motel Room bad
Epignosis good

Okay I'm going to comment on some things as I go. I still think JJJ is mafia, though I'm unsure about Epi.
I could go for a Floyd lynch I've voiced some suspicion of him, but even if he is mafia if we have others who we think are mafia I believe we should pursue them instead.

Read over Rico ISO, I could go with a motel room lynch over Floyd today.

Straw is interesting he wants MM lynched yet gives no reasoning for it, if MM were to flip civ then Straw would most likely be lynching this isn't something he would do unless he was sure that MM was mafia.

I'm really not sure about some of the leading wagons, motel room had early suspicions of LC and defended Sorsha, looking back this makes him slightly more positive, I will be voting for JJJ tonight, I'm unsure about MM he is slightly leaning mafia, but I'm not sure if I trust Straw enough to just follow him.

I encourage those who are suspicious of JJJ to vote for him, he was almost lynched yesterday and I still believe he is mafia.

JJJ

Which choutas thing? I know in the final few moments Choutas started pushing to save Seaside, which yes could be a reason to switch your vote. But, I still find the sudden switch and the counter wagon to be scummy. I think between lynching JJJ and Seaside JJJ was still the better option.

I will admit I might not have seen all the reasoning, but I did read a good portion I can see why the lynch appealed to people, but I still dislike it and think we should be lynching JJJ today.

Since I can't vote Choutas today I will most likely be placing my vote on JJJ. Unless someone can provided good reasoning for a MM lynch.

Just popping in supposed to be doing school but Mom hasn't noticed I'm not yet :P

So Roxy and BLack Rock were modkilled but somebody killed Splints?

Why are we lynching MM what is the argument for it?
I still think JJJ is the best lynch for today. He pushed Black Rock then switched off of Black.
Two days ago the mafia almost saved Mac for the day with a counterwagon yesterday they did the same with seaside.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

sig wrote:Okay JJJ was saved this is similar to what could have happened yesterday, Mac vs Diiny. JJJ is mafia those who pushed seaside are also most likely mafia.

I think you're bad.

You were completely ready to capitalize on The Cakewalk JJJ Lynch, but at the last moment when others were discussing other possibilities you started to "have doubts" -- and only because I was playing hard as I have been doing the whole game anyway.

Now that a townie is dead in my place, you're moving to capitalize again without a thought.

True I had doubts but unlike many others I didn't switch. In the end I stuck by it and with seaside's flip I'm know certain you're mafia.

Okay JJJ was saved this is similar to what could have happened yesterday, Mac vs Diiny. JJJ is mafia those who pushed seaside are also most likely mafia.

I'm having doubt about this lynch, if JJJ was mafia why would he continue to make these posts? These seem time consuming for a caught mafia, but likely something a civ would do. Thoughts on this?

I will be voting for JJJ, if he flips scum Bulls is scum for sure imo, I will be back before the end of the deadline, but I doubt I will be changing my vote.

Vote JJJ

Mac said both bea and Sorsha were bad both who flipped civ. However, we've got a team of 7 mafia, LC was already dead so we had 6 not counting Mac we had 5.

Mac named 6 baddies Bea, Bullseye Wilgy, Matt, Roxy, and Sorsha. Know we already know 2/6 are clean, though I doubt all six are actually civs that means we have at least one mafia in this group. and a few in the clean group. Besides this I don't see how this would help you JJJ. This does make me more willing to vote for Bullseye and I will continue to think about Wilgy.

Yes I don't think the mafia team would have bandwagoned you to save Mac if you were both mafia. On your wagon is both JJJ and Choutas both of whom I think are mafia. It was enough for me to switch my opinion know if JJJ and Choutas were to flip civ I would flip flop again, but I think they are both mafia.

Diiny wrote:Sig on Mac:

Mac I can see the arguments against him, but with the current trend of mislynching I'm unsure about him and need to think on it some.



Non-stance o-rama, and the mislynching thing doesn't even make sense to me

Well what I meant was with how all of my votes after LC were mislynches I didn't want to vote for someone I was unsure of. I only had a little amount of time yesterday and placed my vote on you instead. I don't regret it since a scum still got lynched and out of those who voted for you later at least one or two are mafia.

These players ended the day with their votes not on one of the leading wagon, I'm thinking there is at least one scum quite possibly more in this group.

Bullzeye I find his vote to be suspicious, first off I think bcornett24 is clean and his last post pinged me.

Bullzeye wrote:Glad we got a baddie! Things are looking good. I still need to get properly caught up, gonna consider what's next as well.

This to me at least seems like a scums way to comment on the lynch which they didn't take part in and appear to be civvie. Thoughts on this?

RadicalFuzz You've been consistent with your view on Wilgy and have continued to vote for him based around it. While I'm unsure about Wilgy you've remained consistent with your votes.

bcornett24 ended his vote on JJJ saying he is behind and JJJ appears as scum. I already lean civ on him and am leaning mafia on JJJ, this wasn't done in an attempt to avoid the major lynches. However, I find it interesting your know lynching Diiny who was the other main lynch for yesterday why are you doing this?

TheFloyd73 He ended his vote on Matt F, not much commenting why he voted this way, he did switch from Mac to Matt which isn't looking good imo.

Strawhenge Could you provided some reasoning for your vote on MM, why don't you trust him?

fingersplints Her vote is self explanatory.

It isn't much but, out of just this information I think Floyd and Bullzeye are the two most likely to be mafia. If JJJ is lynched and flips civ I would be more likely to think Bulls is clean and bcornett is scum, but I doubt that will happen. For Fuzz they've been consistent with their pursuit of Wilgy and I'm reading Fuzz as being genuine. I'm just not sure if they are right.

First sorry Choutas for calling you the wrong name it was completely by accident. Looking at how Mac flipped I am revising my opinion on Diiny I am know thinking in light of Mac's flip Diiny is clean.

I still think Choutas is scum and he should be lynched, especially after his posts defending Mac. However, I could also very easily see JJJ being scum, especially after he switched from Black rock to Diiny.

This flip also makes Epi and Rico look much better to me, I am reading both as solid town.

I'm going to reread yesterday, but for the time I won't be casting my vote.

Rico was a top lynch candidate he has since then been making very big posts I notice he is trying to know direct attention away from those who defended LC to those such as myself who were slightly against LC, what is everyone's thoughts on this? Could he be mafia trying to turn attention to another set of civs to lynch?

Diiny was an option for lynching and his posts have declined, could he perhaps be mafia? I'm thinking he might be and if he is I'm pretty sure so is JJJ. It isn't much to go on I know, but that is were I will be voting for the time.

I'm thinking out of the mafia team we might have one or two high to mid level poster but most of the mafia is among those who aren't posting as much or aren't contributing, instead of leading mislynches they are allowing the civs to do it and just voting with it.

Lynch Diiny

I'm suspicious of Mac, Floyd, Seaside, and Choutus.
Floyd has an RL situation and I'm not surprised if he is having difficulty this game it is extremely fast paced and heavy with text.
Mac I can see the arguments against him, but with the current trend of mislynching I'm unsure about him and need to think on it some.
Choutus I'm just getting bad vibes from him, I still think he is more likely to be the SK then mafia, but either way I would be happy with voting for him.

I'm not sure about this espers vote it has gained alot of attention and shifted focus away from yesterday's lynches. If I recall correctly the top choices were Devin, Sorsha, and Russ? This has become entirely redirected to espers. I don't like it I have a feeling this is another civ bandwagon, I will be voting for Devin. I expressed some suspicions of him in the past and I don't like how he just managed to get by yesterday which resulted in a civ lynch.

Lynch Devin

Epignosis wrote:

sig wrote:Epi who do you think that one player is?

I'm not interested in saying more, except that it's clearly not you.

Well of course it wasn't me, and if it was me then wow I really do deserve to die.

@Choutas you've been active in reading the thread so the fact that certain people deserve to die shouldn't be news to you I find it interesting you try to use this in an argument against me.

Attempt 1 failed, I managed to sneak back into the house without being caught by the police or my parents. I will begin to plan Attempt 2 to find someone who agrees that I deserve to die.

linki: No problem there isn't a rush since we still have a good amount of time left this phase.

MacDougall wrote:DrWilgy, Sig... Speak.

hello,
I would have spoke sooner but I just know after running through the streets was able to escape the cops in what became a city wide manhunt, I really do deserve to die for wasting their time in such a manner but since none of you offered to help pay my bail or hide me in your home I'm glad I didn't turn myself in,after getting caught in someones house using their computer to post, while walking home from my attempt to find a rattlesnake.

Devin the Omniscient wrote:EBWOP: voting Diiny today. Sorry hosts!

why Diiny could you explain your reasoning for it?

Epi who do you think that one player is?

Ricochet wrote:

sig wrote:
The Day is 5 the time is 10:26 EST
Attempt 1: I tried to leave the house to be bitten by a rattlesnake I know the the snake will know I deserve to die. The front door is locked and the parents won't let me out so I went to my room built a rope using my boy scout skills out of my bed sheets and grappled out the window, down the wall in an attempt to find a rattlesnake. I've safely gotten out the window without falling to my death or my "rope" breaking looks like Boy scouts did teach me something and will begin my search for a rattlesnake in the concrete jungle of Philadelphia after this post. Hopefully it will realize I deserve to die then using it's magic snake powers like in Jungle Book convince y'all to vote for me.

What the hell are these posts? You were already punished to desire death. I'm not seeing any second challenger in the roles. Unless the power absorber really exists. It can't be the Mafia, because Sorsha was lynched.

I deserve to die for not explaining why I wrote such things, I guess you're just going to have to guess though.

I find the argument for Epi being the SK to have some good points, after considering the Mac Sk theory I'm not as confident in it.

Choutus why am I red on your list?

I'm leaning to an Epi vote today especially with the FZ killing it isn't looking good for him. I will need to look over Devin again I know he was second place yesterday and had been gaining attention for awhile.

Epignosis wrote:

RadicalFuzz wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Why is the serial killer a priority? It's a Mafia team of seven total.

In a perfect world where we know exactly who the SK is we should lynch that player over Mafia. By lynching the SK we remove one kill per night, by lynching a Mafia, assuming that's the last member, we remove one kill every other night. While it isn't necessarily feasible to isolate SK behavior from town or Mafia behavior, lynching the SK would reward us more than lynching a Mafia.

I don't agree.

As a game designer, I can tell you that a serial killer is a bigger threat to the mafia because he can remove them without consensus.

You include a serial killer to make it harder for Mafia to win.

Compare a serial killer (which sounds nasty) to a civilian ninja (which sounds nice).

They literally have the same power.

In theory that is true but what happens when the SK is targeting people high profile civs? It seems this helps the mafia as the SK kills have done more damage to the civs then the mafia kills.

Let's also remember Sorsha suspected Mac did she not?

Day 5 11:02 Est
Attempt 1 part 2: I've failed after wandering the mean lean streets of Philadelphia I realize there aren't any rattlesnakes in the city in this cold weather. I deserve to die for failing to think that I shouldn't have looked for a rattlesnake I should have just jumped out my window instead. I'm slowly making my way back home but I hear police sirens in the distance, for you see I don't have a good mobile phone can't get on the internet. I had to make the logical decision and break into someones house so I could get on their computer and make this post, I don't plan to be on for a bit I need to escape the cops, if I get caught please donate to a kickstart to help pay my bail and then let me hid with you when the manhunt starts.

linki: if it is two you deserve to die more then I do.

Matt F wrote:Voting MACDOUGALL today, tomorrow, until he's lynched basically

I would be willing to lynch him today, though let us not forget the Devin lynch or those who pushed for Sorsha. She didn't deserve to die.

The Day is 5 the time is 10:26 EST
Attempt 1: I tried to leave the house to be bitten by a rattlesnake I know the the snake will know I deserve to die. The front door is locked and the parents won't let me out so I went to my room built a rope using my boy scout skills out of my bed sheets and grappled out the window, down the wall in an attempt to find a rattlesnake. I've safely gotten out the window without falling to my death or my "rope" breaking looks like Boy scouts did teach me something and will begin my search for a rattlesnake in the concrete jungle of Philadelphia after this post. Hopefully it will realize I deserve to die then using it's magic snake powers like in Jungle Book convince y'all to vote for me.

While this is true I think we shouldn't just discount the SK who is dangerous as well, while we don't want to focus on the SK to much it is still something to ponder.

I might be the SK I should die just to make sure I'm not him.

Choutas
Since he deserves to die almost as much as I do for being a horribly person who didn't take the few insignificant moments to vote, Choutas deserves to die almost as much as I do so just go and die Choutas.

Plus I have a feeling he might be the SK why else would he try to stop us from discussing it? Right know the SK is going after high profile civs we've got to focus some attention on him as well imo, but I deserve to die so am I really worth listening to? Please review Choutas posts there is just something off about them


linki: Why does Mac deserve to die, (how is he the SK)

Poor Golden I can't believe that happened to him he didn't deserve to die. The Psycho Killer should have killed me instead I deserve to die not golden.

Getting accused by Epignosis can certainly be a death knell.
I will most likely be voting for Devin today but I'm starting to think a Choutus lynch might be good. This is mainly based around his comments about the SK. I also would like to hear some more from Diiny he has gone off the radar completely.

Okay first thing sorry about the lack of activity this phase I see Sorsha is leading with votes again. I've got about ten pages to catch up on but , I won't be voting for Sorsha today though, and am suspicious at those pushing her wagon.

What is everyones thoughts on Chotus and not wanting to talk about the SK that really pinged me.

It would be random, what is it at RYM

Sorsha right know the vote is tied between Golden and Rico if you think Golden is more suspicious vote for him. Using the reasoning of voting manipulation is strange since they are tied

Rico have you not voted yet? Either way I suggest you vote with me on Golden even if it is just to save yourself.

Also again his most recent post seems like something a townie would do.

YOu know what I will be switching I do think Rico's post are genuine, and I really don't like that Golden and Seaside voted for him. It seems as if Seaside voted for rico without any reasoning to put the nail in the coffin so to speak. I also trust Wilgy's read and agree with him about Golden/LC voting

Oh and I'm aware of how scummy this could look but his latest posts of frustration seem genuine town to me.

so one hour left and I'm having second doubts about this lynch, how does civ rico usually react when he is about to be lynched compared to mafia Rico since I'm reading his posts as being genuine right know and idk Seaside late jump onto the vote then failing to provide reasoning by saying he doesn't like Rico attitude. Keep in mind I also suspect Golden and he jumped onto this lynch.

Wow JJJ put alot of work into that. I read over everything I will be switching my vote to Rico today, if he flips mafia then Golden is clean. Though if Rico flips civilian I will be lynching one of the other top candidates most likely Golden.

Lynch Ricochet

I will need to think over the Rico argument people have made some good points, and I really think Sorsha is clean so if my vote for Rico would help Sorsha. As I said I will think it over some more, I like both JJJ and FZ post about him, but I still think Golden is scum. I will wait until we are closer to the deadline and see how the votes have fallen to decided if me voting for Rico will keep Sorsha from getting lynched I will. However, I would still like to see Golden lynched if not today, tomorrow unless something extraordinary happens.

What is the argument for a Russ lynch?

linki: I'm reading his post and waiting for one about me :P

It isn't a problem I hope everyone is okay.

Know this might be slightly bias but, at least my reasoning for lynching golden is the following, his votes, day 1 was out of the way day 2 he tied up the vote which should have kept LC from getting lynched, and today he has lynched Sorsha even though he doesn't think she is mafia. I also found his list of who he thought was mafia suspicious, and he never really answered and instead imo brushed off the question. His posts also have a general scummy vibe, but my vote is mainly based around his own votes and lack of reasoning for them. This compared to the SOrsha vote is much better as I think Sorsha is innocent.

I don't view radical's comment as being that strange, not anything to pursue or indicates alignment.

Welcome RadicalFuzz glad to have you here, know a question will you lynch Golden with me today or fall for the nefarious plotting of the mafia and lynch Sorsha? \

@Epi why is that funny?
Golden why if you think Sorsha is clean are you still voting for her who else would you vote for over her?

I see okay thanks, what are your current thoughts on Golden?

I will be getting off for the time but except to be back later tonight.

I would prefer a Golden lynch right know, I don't like his response to my question and his votes on both day 1 and 2 are suspicious, day 1 was a random vote not on a major target and day 2 was what I see as an attempt to save LC. I also really don't like his post about Sorsha and his reasons for voting, I would suggest you read through his posts and see, but he is my preferred lynch choice right know. I will post more on this later but now I must be off.

Vote Golden