The Syndicate

sig wrote:

Scotty wrote:

sig wrote:

indiglo wrote:

Epignosis wrote:indiglo, my amusing friend. Who do you want to lynch tomorrow? I feel comfortable supporting you if it comes down to it again.

Well, I certainly don't have any special knowledge, so let me put that out there. But I'd feel ok with Boomrique again. And I'm also interested in looking Quin's way. I'm more comfortable looking at sig again too. (Ain't that a shocker?)

Beyond that, I am also totally open to listening to anyone in the Fantastic Four (not necessarily accurate in number, but you catch my drift) and who they would like to go after.

nooooo sig is nice, sig believes he shouldn't be lynched. Lynching sig won't send a Message to anyone.

Why do I feel like you just rolehinted? I Hope I'm wrong.

Quin wrote:Would everyone be so kind as to name one player who at this point, you would 100 oppose a lynch for?

I pick indiglo.

Prisoner 509

I don't like this post by scotty he was wrong about 2/3 of the people. I think at this point either Scotty or Quin are mafia members.

Epignosis wrote:sig, you've shown no interest in figuring out who is a cop. You've been going along with the crowd except when the crowd went with Fuzz.

I have shown an interest, however I will admit it does fade when my reads are discounted or just swept away. I've more or less gone with the crowd though I've made my own reads and cases as well as pushed lynches. I did go agaisnt the Fuzz lynch and look where that got me? Spending mulitply phases fighting off people trying to lynch me.

No it wasn't llama. I believe it was scotty who mentioned it.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

sig wrote:

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

sig wrote:When I made my first point Quin was still thinking he could be that role?

You didn't make a point about Scotty. You made a point about sig. Quin voted for sig. The connection is obvious.

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Do you think if I was mafia I'd do something so stupid?

It was a jokey point to make Quin look wrong, you're reading way to deep into it.

"to make Quin look wrong"

lol

What exactly is the stupid thing you're talking about here?

Getting myself lynch votes by
A. appearing
B. Making a jokey claim
C. Making a serious claim that could easily be countered (If you don't think it was a joke)

Also I can't show my own crumbs that wouldn't be very sportsmanlike. But, there are a few, someone called me out on it.

and if we want to talk about something proving someone is a civ, I've been bread crumbing like all game.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

sig wrote:When I made my first point Quin was still thinking he could be that role?

You didn't make a point about Scotty. You made a point about sig. Quin voted for sig. The connection is obvious.

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Do you think if I was mafia I'd do something so stupid?

It was a jokey point to make Quin look wrong, you're reading way to deep into it.

Epignosis wrote:sig! You're bad! You're getting lynched!

Please you said that like 11 day phases ago.


I'm telling y'all Epi is mafia.

When I made my first point Quin was still thinking he could be that role?

Notice the " " Plus note the spelling conSIGliere.

Compare Scotty and me, at the very least he defended me, you're also assuming TH is the Dom and then assuming that Scotty is the consigliere. To say Scotty has BTSC makes almost no sense in my mind.

god can't a guy make a joke, I mean if I was scum I'd have been afk for longer, and let you lynch someone else.

I actually really dislike this theory by Quin, why not mention it sooner?

Could this be an attempt to save his scum buddy?

linki: No I don't have BTSC with him where did you get that idea? I mean I've got about as much of a chance as Scotty.

I mean Turnip also defended me hardcore, maybe I'm his "consigliere".

linki: how rude.

Quin wrote:

Epignosis wrote:A general observation, before I go farther: Scotty's posts are riddled with little hints.

Scotty wrote:I find it kind of silly that even our own Don doesn't know who the police are. I mean, they got badges and blue costumes and such. Why is this so hard?

Scotty wrote:What can I say? I'm lost. My Don has given me nothing of substance and I feel like I should have caught more at this point.

When Diiny got lynched:

Scotty wrote:Coming in hot!

Not a terrible lynch result, at least, but still sucks to lose a civ.

Scotty wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:The people who are happy with the lynch.

Not sure if happy is the emotion I'm seeing. Maybe ambivalence. I'm in the camp of "well, it could have been worse.."

Are you upset?

Personally, I don't put much stock in such business as this (there are a handful of people who, if they hint, I'm sold, but I'll never tell who they are). Thought I'd raise the point anyway.

This puts me off voting for Scotty. After Turnip was lynched, I went through his posts and it clicked that Scotty might be Turnip's consigliere. This backs up that idea a little.

Changing my vote to sig for now.

Why sig?

Nah doesn't explain things Quin. Both Stool's (ehehehe I said stool) are dead, they each only get 1 free life. We've had four misses and TH not getting lynched.

What are the chances there isn't say a Rookie cop and they've also got a secret role?

I'd want to flip as an elephant can I be an elephant! AAAAAAAAAAA GREATTTTTTTTT big green elephant with ten eyes, seven tongues, one tusk, with purple and blue stripes, who poops out golden bars with a picture of a hippo on it, and only eats whip cream and pretzels. He'd also have a top hat and a cane aand he'd wear a checkered orange and blue suit, and little tiny shoes that are white and gray.

DDL seemed to put alot of work into a secret role if he was a seemer? If anything Matt was the seemer. However, I stand by my view that Ika was the seemer and SW was arrested since she would've pushed Ika as seemer thing.

Epi

Sig is in and out. Taking advantage of his last day of Spring Break.

Hmmmm I'd have to GTH read Scotty as bad right now simply since I can't really remember anything about him this game. I'd rather lynch Epi today.

I think he is mafia.

Black Rock wrote:Ummm... unless the seemer has indeed been lynched I am going to have to rethink my TH theory... I thought he might be a stool pigeon. I just realized both of those have been revealed as lynched.

I've been saying forever Ika was the seemer, he flipped as the stool pigeon. I suspect the mafia believed that they had gotten the other stool pigeon. Recall the one night their kills failed? I think they thought they had hit one of the pigeons, targeted the same player again a different night to remove them from the game, then had Ika flip as that role.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

sig wrote:Scratch that Llama read.

No. Tell me why you listed him.

He was very tunnely and besides his one scum read didn't really do much else. So he was active enough to be active, but not super active. He did this with both Quin and DDL I believe. He focused on them voted for them only really talked about them and not much else. This seemed like mafia behavior.

That is one of the issues I had with Epi, he avoided everything the first few phases, until he jumped on my wagon and have since then been focused on me.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

sig wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

sig wrote:

You better not be bad, I swear to jeebus.

sig wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Well you're on your own tomorrow siggy boy. I don't know where to go from here.

oh no.

Turnip Head and sig do not have BTSC.

Maybe it was all an act?

Or maybe we don't have BTSC.

Oops I forgot Llama was dead. Scratch that Llama read.

@509 I did make a case on Sloonie, it hasn't really changed. I don't think he has contributed much as a civ, I believe he attempted to divert the CFD away from Fuzz and onto Matt a civ, in an attempt to save Matt. His post CFD behavior was also mafiaish imo.

Also if we want to talk warden wifom, putting me a civ most likely to be lynched in red as well as Sloonie a mafia member who wasn't close to getting lynched in red could later be used to defend sloonie.

Though I think reading to deep into the Warden is foolish, as well as discounting new players. If they are mafia they've got chat and could have easily been told about the lists.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:Remaining cops:

chaindeath
Nerolunar
sig
Soneji

I am banking on the seemer being eliminated just on probability. If not, this becomes significantly more difficult. The next two names I am considering are Dom and Elohcin, but neither of those cases thrills me. If I'm wrong about Quin then I'm probably going to take that mistake with me to the grave at this point. I can still perhaps see a viable pairing of sig with Epignosis, so that's something to consider moving forward too. I am not interested in voting for Scotty, Sloonei, Turnip Head, Black Rock, or S~V~S.

lol, I've been saying Nero might be mafia for awhile same about chaindeath. I've said the same about Epi and possibly llama. Admittedly I was wrong about LC, but I do think I was right about Ika.
We want the four cops?
Chaindeath
Nero
Epi
Llama

I still think Sloonie could be a cop, which is why he is still alive. However, that is never going to gain any traction.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:I'm motivated again. The hell with Boomslang. There are enough people left to trust that the baddies cannot hide. It's over, cops. Die die die.

Nah I'm not mafia. I bet the mafia are among those you read as town and they are having a nice laugh in BTSC. I did waffle on Quin yup. I've been playing for self preservation, to call Quin scummy means that I see what I did during the CFD as scummy. Plus Quin used his votes to save me.

However, if either of us are mafia it is him. Think about it, why would he waste his votes to save me? It is since I captured the attention of the thread and let the baddies pass unnoticed.


UMMMM HELLLO IF ANYONE IS THE WARDEN IT IS EPI!

this just came to me, the wording the rainbow list itself. Who never ever ever does rainbow lists? Who refuses to do rainbow lists? Epi. Thus it would make perfect sense for a sock Epi to make a rainbow list.

Also I thought I was the seemer?

The warden is most likely Epi.

I'm very sorry I didn't vote and wasn't around, today was very hectic and I completely forgot when the deadline was.

I'd have ended up voting for Boom today.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

sig wrote:How? Why would Epi be paired with me?

I refuse to answer you. How about you stop worrying about sig and share some reads?

I do they got brushed off, so why spend the time making reads and trying to make a case on players nobody suspects which will just get me lynched?

My ISO of indi is the perfect example, was I wrong yes. However, I GTH her as bad and tried to back it up. For that I had people call me scum and say I was mafia. I think my stance on who I believe to be mafia is clear.

Quin wrote:I wont continue that conversation. It's unfair for MP and SD, because this was most definitely one of the most exciting games I've ever played and it's just a matter of chance that I've gotten the short end of the stick. I'm just going to go to bed, hopefully there's something new to talk about then.

You can talk about me Quin.

Actually scratch that I don't think you should talk about me.

So SVS could be mafia, but I don't see why she would have voted for FUzz, however, when she voted for Fuzz he wasn't being CFD right?

Sloonei wrote:I might put Epi and sig ahead of chaindeath on the lynching block

Noooooo not sig. But you can lynhc Epi I'm cool with that.

Quin wrote:I'm still alive because of my exuding charisma, I think.

I must be alive for the same reason.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Sloonei wrote:Separate suspects. I've seen nothing to suggest they can't be a team, but I don't like to pair people together as teammates when they're both still alive.

I would nearly always agree, but I do think things are quite dire here and some forward thinking is necessary. When I think of Epignosis as a suspect, it's easier to rationalize when I pair him with sig.

How? Why would Epi be paired with me?

Okay then never mind.

What would happen if there was a tie?

Prisoner 509378 wrote:I might even call Sloonei's shift opportunistic, but if he's a bad guy then I will eat my shoe and my foot inside it directly off of my leg.

If he is a baddie I so called it.

Quin wrote:I'm hypothetically back in action, but don't get your hopes up. My internet provider is about as reliable as sig's votes are

I've reliable been on every mislynch thank you very much Quin.



oh wait nvm.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

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Ah I see, I still believe Ika is the seemer.

Sloonei wrote:

Sloonei wrote:Sig has remained silent since this post, so I'm bumping it again.

Sloonei wrote:@ sig: But that's not how you phrased it at all. You went as far as to say "as of right now...", which strongly implies that you are referring to things specific to the prior night phases in This Game. Also that role is less of a risk to townies in this game because it requires unanimous and anonymous support from multiple town players in order to perform a kill. It's not like it's just a lone townie making kills every night. Two townies have to agree on a target without even knowing each other's identities. I don't think the hitmen pose much of a risk/threat to the town. If they did, we'd have more than one townie dead at their hands.

I am confused about your response to my question. It does not even come close to matching your original statement. Why the inconsistency?

I framed it bad the first time, I was trying to correct my wording. I understand what you're saying, BUT what I'm saying is that there is no reason for the mafia to go out of their way to out and arrest the hitman. At least if I was mafia I wouldn't as the seemer do that.

Could someone explain the DDL is seemer thing? In theory they could pick a secret role then make it up yes? However, his role seems like alot of thought was put into it.

Okay so TH came out hard to defend me, I have had some thoughts that someone defending me was mafia, simply since keeping me alive caused more in thread chaos and distraction. That could be TH. However, at the same time he really did push for my defense. I'll look over the case on him, but for the time I'm voting for Boomslang. He was my second choice for yesterday, and my first choice for today.

Sloonei wrote:Black Rock and sig, where yous at?

I'm hiding so SSSSHHHH

Sloonei wrote:

sig wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

sig wrote:

Sloonei wrote:Those 7 points were actually 3 points. I took Silverwolf's "100% sure" remarks to be in response to the thread imploring her to make that claim for the sake of sig's reaction. I don't think her read on ika is infallible, and I am able to believe a scenario where ika was what his role flip says he was.

What makes you say the stool pigeon is a role the seemer would choose?

One of the few without BTSC.

I would pick hitman and draw out a hitman. A civilian who can kill is a dangerous civilian. Flip as a hitman, and wait for somebody to contest it, and then arrest. That's what I would do.

Contesting would be against the rules though wouldn't it?
Also as off right know the hitmen have done more damage to the civs then the mafia. So while I see your point and it could be true, I don't think getting to deep into who the seemer might have flipped as should be done. I will stand by my claim that Ika is the seemer though.

So Chain switched off of Ika to back onto Ika right?

What are you basing this claim on? I am counting a total of 1 hitman kill, compared to like 7 cop arrests/kills.

So Epi said if he was the seemer he would flip as the hitman, drawing out the hitman so the mafia could kill them. He said this since a town with a kill power is more dangerous to the mafia. I disagree, I think a town vig can be more dangerous to the town then they would be to the mafia. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

Epignosis wrote:

sig wrote:

Sloonei wrote:Those 7 points were actually 3 points. I took Silverwolf's "100% sure" remarks to be in response to the thread imploring her to make that claim for the sake of sig's reaction. I don't think her read on ika is infallible, and I am able to believe a scenario where ika was what his role flip says he was.

What makes you say the stool pigeon is a role the seemer would choose?

One of the few without BTSC.

I would pick hitman and draw out a hitman. A civilian who can kill is a dangerous civilian. Flip as a hitman, and wait for somebody to contest it, and then arrest. That's what I would do.

Contesting would be against the rules though wouldn't it?
Also as off right know the hitmen have done more damage to the civs then the mafia. So while I see your point and it could be true, I don't think getting to deep into who the seemer might have flipped as should be done. I will stand by my claim that Ika is the seemer though.

So Chain switched off of Ika to back onto Ika right?

Sloonei wrote:Those 7 points were actually 3 points. I took Silverwolf's "100% sure" remarks to be in response to the thread imploring her to make that claim for the sake of sig's reaction. I don't think her read on ika is infallible, and I am able to believe a scenario where ika was what his role flip says he was.

What makes you say the stool pigeon is a role the seemer would choose?

One of the few without BTSC.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

sig wrote:Ika is the seemer, I'm almost certain of that.

Based on what?

Because reasons.




a few points.
1, He was super scummy
2. SW thought he was 100% mafia
3. SW thinks he is seemer
4. SW is killed
5. he acted like a super emotional mafia
6. Stool pigeon is a role that the seemer would be more likely to use.
7. Why would SW be so sure, I think she was the role he flipped as.

I don't feel like it, Epi doesn't do rainbow lists or GTH why should I play his games?

I'd either lynch Epi or boom it would be a toss up.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

sig wrote:This really does boil down to whether you believe Ika is the seemer.

I don't. Is your head spinning yet?

sig wrote:I also wouldn't have defended Fuzz nearly as much if I was mafia :P

That's the basis of the argument for and against you in a nutshell. WOULD HE OR WOULDN'T HE? Your recent gripes at me smell like someone who really believed in ika as a seemer though.

Ika is the seemer, I'm almost certain of that. How am I griping?

I'd be down with a Boom lynch.

Lynch SIG! SWITCH IT TO SIG. Idk don';t see the point in this.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

sig wrote:Bullets over Broadway my first scum game and first TS game might be better?

I checked Dune and this both, and you barely even talked about any of your team mates.

True in Dune I didn't however seeing as how I'm civ here I wouldn't talk about mafia at all. :P

This really does boil down to whether you believe Ika is the seemer. IF you do I'm a civ who shouldn't be lynched if you don't well I'm still a civ, but ti would make slightly more sense for you to be for my lynch. I did vote for Ika twice, pushed for his lynch, ect which I'd never do to a teammate. I also wouldn't have defended Fuzz nearly as much if I was mafia :P

Bullets over Broadway my first scum game and first TS game might be better?

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

sig wrote:

Prisoner 509378 wrote:sig, what was your last game as a baddie on The Syndicate? Please lemme know the name of the game and answer one additional question:

How often/hard did you distance from your team mates?

It would be Star Wars, but I didn't become a baddie until mid game, besides that last my baddie games was Zodic (where everyone was bad). the last full baddie game I had here would be Dune I think?

I'm very good with distancing and not drawing connections to my teammates. It has been a skill I've possessed since my first baddie game. So I'd say I often distance myself from my teammates. Sometimes I won't do this, but my meta is usually distancing, yet not bussing. I don't like to bus teammates unless it is obvious they are going to get lynched.

In the Dune game, who were your baddie team mates?

MM who died quite early, TH though none of us knew he was on our team. And a super lurker named Luke . Note for that game I wouldn't have been lynched except for night actions on me and was almost civ cleared when I flipped.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:sig, what was your last game as a baddie on The Syndicate? Please lemme know the name of the game and answer one additional question:

How often/hard did you distance from your team mates?

It would be Star Wars, but I didn't become a baddie until mid game, besides that last my baddie games was Zodic (where everyone was bad). the last full baddie game I had here would be Dune I think?

I'm very good with distancing and not drawing connections to my teammates. It has been a skill I've possessed since my first baddie game. So I'd say I often distance myself from my teammates. Sometimes I won't do this, but my meta is usually distancing, yet not bussing. I don't like to bus teammates unless it is obvious they are going to get lynched.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

sig wrote:Well there are only three left? Fuzz and Ika so that leaves three if we say he is the seemer. Which would be Epi, Boomslang, and maybe Th not sure on him.

There are six cops.

Why are you suspicious of Epignosis?

Ah I thought there was five my bad.

I was suspicious of Epi fairly early in the game for him refusing to get on any big wagons both day 1 and day 2. Including Fuzz/Ika Day three (I believe) He suddenly with no reasoning or explanation decided I was bad, and have been tunneling on me with no case ever since. IF Ika and Fuzz are both scum it would explain why he didn't vote for either. ALSO if he is scum it would explain why a counterwagon never formed around him when Ika/Fuzz were up and about to be lynched.

Also Sw said Ika was scum and Epi tried very hard to discredit her imo. This was done in an attempt to save Ika. I believe the mafia killed SW for two reasons. One the believed she would go after Epi one of them and two she would push the seemer theory which would help break open the game.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

sig wrote:

Prisoner 509378 wrote:ika was the seemer. Cop team:

Epignosis
Boomslang
Turnip Head
sig

bullshit. I FIRST SAID IKA WAS THE SEEMER. I got burned for that and people implied something was up between me and Silver. I voted twice for Ika and pushed his wagon. Which made me scummy. However, know you think he is the scum seemer and I'm his teammate?

Who if not you?

Well there are only three left? Fuzz and Ika so that leaves three if we say he is the seemer. Which would be Epi, Boomslang, and maybe Th not sure on him.

Also RIP silver you were a true friend and civ, hope you play again. <3

Prisoner 509378 wrote:ika was the seemer. Cop team:

Epignosis
Boomslang
Turnip Head
sig

bullshit. I FIRST SAID IKA WAS THE SEEMER. I got burned for that and people implied something was up between me and Silver. I voted twice for Ika and pushed his wagon. Which made me scummy. However, know you think he is the scum seemer and I'm his teammate?