The Syndicate

I'd also like to point out the irony of giving LC a chance when he was literally saying we should lynch low posters/no shows and was gung oh ready to lynch me when I wasn't around.

DharmaHelper wrote:Which of these is most likely:

A) There was a lynch switch
B) Floyd's results were sent to the other thread
C) Soneji was the only lynchee

I'm thinking B, unless we had something weird where it was the player with the most votes period was lynched.

So DH why did you switch? You seemed pretty certain LC was mafia and true Floyd wasn't participating but a civ is a civ in the number game.

I think LC is mafia his posts are stinking of desperation. Also you did vote for me and say I should be lynched if I didn't show up and it wouldclean up the thread so I don't think it was to just encourage discussion. I think he thought I would be an easy target to lynch.

DrWilgy wrote:Hmm... While I have you all in confidence...

Wouldn't it be funny if all of us just voted Golden at the start of the day tomorrow? Lets do that, I wanna see the reaction.

Oh yeah we should do that for sure, just come in and without saying anything vote for him.

After we lynch LC today and he flips baddie.

DrWilgy wrote:

sig wrote:Oh I'd also add on to Wilgy

Didn't you suspect Golden? If so why are you pursing someone who he was agaisnt? Espaiclly since he defended Mac.

Who am I pursing?

Never mind, I thought you were voting for me.

If Lorab could answer why she thinks I'm amfia and address my points that would be great, however I've gotta go now. I'll try to phone post, but I have school junk to do from now until past EOD. So it will vary just a quick summary.

Mafia LC in every game we've played has tried to lynch me for weak reasons.
Civ LC has almost never gone along with the lynch mob when we were both civs.
LC is giving very anti-civ reasons for his vote on me which doesn't fit within his normal civ behavior.
The other people who voted for/suspected me are
1. Lorab who can't remember why she thinks I'm mafia, but is still voting for me.
2. Golden, who defended MAc who flipped mafia, and who I believe tried to lay some groundwork for an Epi lynch.
3. I was the counterwagon to Mac day 1 who flipped mafia
4. Epi thought the theory agaisnt me wasn't good, which is the same reason people are voting me today
5. There was never a case or any semblance of a case for my lynch it was literally around smiles and me saying Scotty could be indy.
6. This is a typical reason for why I'm lynched and is a common reason for why the mafia tries to lynch me or joins my wagon.
7. I got lynched day 2 in GOC 2015 and I was the civ protector (guess what I gave my protection to LC who defended me and incidentally he was also a civ)
8. I can almost always read LC when he is mafia. Why? Since he always tries to lynch me.

Also if you wanna meander on over to JTM (jesus Toast Mafia) and take a look at this game
http://jesustoastmafia.com/index.php/topic,153.0.html

You'll see Long Con (who was mafia) doing the same thing he did in Talking Head and what he is kind off doing here, that's as mafia trying to lynch me, voting for me, or pushing my lycnh based on very weak non existent reasoning.

linki: Quin vote for LC with me.

Also I wouldn't be surprised if the mafia has decided they want me gone, so be careful for any last minute weird votes from players. I wouldn't be shocked if we had some last minute vote changes to lynch me to save LC/floyd. Though I still do believe we have a better chance of lynching mafia if we go with LC.

Oh I'd also add on to Wilgy

Didn't you suspect Golden? If so why are you pursing someone who he was agaisnt? Espaiclly since he defended Mac.

LoRab wrote:I'm not seeing baddie LC, I don't think. At least he's not reading bad to me. I have an eye on him always, but for now I'm thinking he's civ.

I'm going to vote sig. Because I remember being suspish of him from posts of his in the main thread. And as folks have indicated that floyd has been seen in the thread but hasn't posted, so may be silenced.

Again why? You remember something vague that you can't name? It obviously didn't leave that big of an impression on you. Why are you assuming floyd was silenced where is your logic for this at all?

1. why would anyone pick Floyd who was super inactive
2. Couldn't the same be said for MP who saw the thread but didn't post at first?
3. Couldn't I have been silenced?
4. Why do we assuming if he was silenced that this is a mafia role? many games have a civ silencer.
5. How do you even justify this reasons? Not only is it very improbable there is a silencer or that they targeted floyd, we don't have access to half the thread! So we have no clue if someone there was silenced.

This stinks of a mafia member who silenced someone in the other thread and is using that as an excuse to direct the lynch/there vote. Or just a bandwagon vote.

DrWilgy wrote:

Long Con wrote:What if Floyd is silenced?

Idk. He was here earlier today.

Floyd isn't a bad vote really. Kinda the same case as Sig in which I'd be OK with him being lynched for the sake of advancing discussion. My reason to vote Sig over Floyd is that Quin thing.

How would I or Floyd advance any discussion? We haven't posted enough to really make links, the only person who defended me was Epi who's dead.


Also who was it that tried to put suspicion on Epi after mac flipped? Anyone remember?

Long Con wrote:I'm disappointed with the activity in here. Sig hasn't even posted, I'm thinking maybe we should just do the Main Thread a favour and lynch him today, to end the sig debate and get to start a little fresher on Day 3.

LC reasons for voting for me is the scummiest reason ever which gets him out of blame when I flip civ. So you should stop over half of the thread from making this decision to allow things to start fresher? This is even more foolish since Epi, a dead civ who caught a baddie, disagreed with my lynch.

What if I have a powerful civ role? What if I was silenced? There is no good reason for a civ to use this logic, this is again LC trying to go after a low hanging fruit who isn't around to defend himself. I'd also point out LC could get away with this and not incur any blame very easily, since he could just use the defense he already set up in the above post to get out of blame.

Long Con wrote:

FZ. wrote:LC's vote for Bea did strike me as fake...

I have to get ready and leave for work soon, so it's time to cast a real vote. The bea vote was actually fake. I thought, since votes are changeable, I'd make a fake case and see if I could catch any opportunistic baddies trying to latch on to it and follow the vote. It didn't really bear fruit; looking over BWT's reasons for voting bea, he is coming from a completely different angle. The truth is, bea's behaviour is pretty normal for her, and I don't suspect her much at all.

My real vote today will go to sig. Despite the reasonable explanation he had for my original suspicion of him (that he was crafting his posts too much, in a baddie way), I've found a few of his reactions suspicious. His reaction that I was "distancing" from him when I forgot he was the third player involved in an earlier discussion was bizarre, as was his assertion that I (and others) are "desperate to try and get him lynched".

sig, saying we're desperate to try and get you lynched strikes me in two ways, neither of them making me feel comfortable about you. On one hand, it's overdefensive and paranoid, and on the other, it's a way to buffalo us out of voting for you... because who wants to looks "desperate" to lynch someone on Day 1?

It's not much, but it's the behaviour I found most suspicious today, and it's time for me to lock in a vote.

Sorry for using you, bea!

This is one example that comes to mind right away of baddie LC trying to lynch me. It was in Talking Head and I was getting attacked for certain wording, LC very close to the end of the phase jumped on my bandwagon and voted for me and he ended up getting lynched the next phase and flipping mafia.

Long Con wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

sig wrote:

Matt F wrote:

sig wrote:...I understand it is Day 1 and we have little to go on but this seems kinda very weak.

Not sure how I feel about Rbz's theory, however, if you are civ, then shouldn't this read "...but this IS very weak" as opposed to "seems" and "kinda" ?

Also It could read is very weak, but it isn't very weak it just seems kinda weak. Writing is very weak is more confrontation in my opinion as well as implying it was meant to be weak. While seems kinda weak is just that is seems weak but it might not be.

This is quibbling over something very small, why if I'm civ would I right it the first way instead of the second way?

This might be small, but I've seen people get lynched for wordplay on Day 1 enough in the past.

Same as it ever was.

I agree, in that Mafia have more need to "craft" their posts than Civvies. Sig's accidental reveal that he was going back over his post before posting it to make sure it's just right is a little suspicious to me.

I should also point out that I suspected LC based on very weird/gut reasoning, which I'm getting again here.

Another factor is that I don't think in a single game I've played with LC when he is a civ and he has never lynched me when we are both civs and someone gives weak reasoning. In fact he's defended me in the past agaisnt these accusations, I'm pretty sure this happened in BSG.

DharmaHelper wrote:

sig wrote:Also quick thing I really don't think lynching Floyd is the way to go, he could be mafia yes, but its hard to tell since he hasn't really posted at all. I know mafia floyd does this, but that was also like his first and second game here which could play into his low posting. If I had to pick a player to lynch I think I'd go with DH and lynch LC. Unless I'm misreading DH and really screwing up my read of LC, I believe LC isn't a civ.

Weren't you riding my jock D1? What changed?

Well you were right I guess, also mainly I picked up a few hints and connected a few dots. I also don't remember thinking you were mafia I just disliked your ideas.

@LC that's alot of work for someone who is already busy but fine. I'll try to find and link the games.

I don't see why Floyd would be silenced, I think he is just inactive.

linki: How do you think I mean it?

Also quick thing I really don't think lynching Floyd is the way to go, he could be mafia yes, but its hard to tell since he hasn't really posted at all. I know mafia floyd does this, but that was also like his first and second game here which could play into his low posting. If I had to pick a player to lynch I think I'd go with DH and lynch LC. Unless I'm misreading DH and really screwing up my read of LC, I believe LC isn't a civ.

I think we should ask why would Epi be killed day 1? He was right on Mac which would be one reason but without seeing the thread I can't do a veyr good NKA. So if I live through this phase I'll do one for sure, if not I suggest a few players do, since I suspect he named more than one mafia member.

Also I'm reading and posting as I go, so if a question was answered or an issue resolved to bad I'm addressing it.

Sorsha wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:So Sorsha, of the Hatchies, whom do you suspect, and why?

Llama called me out as bad in the Felt 2 game based on my very first post of the game and my use of smilies/tone so I will put some stock in his read of sig so far this game.

Black Rock's posts about Mac had me feeling a bit of suspicion towards her yesterday. Without being able to see the main thread its going to be difficult to explain though.

Can you explain your thoughts on BK?

I always use tons of smilies look at any game of mine and you'll see them. In fact I reckon I use fewer as a baddie.

This is however, in no way a mafia/civ identification.

Long Con wrote:BWT, Wilgy, sig, Sorsha, Floyd... those are the players that I feel most negative about in this here Hatch. BWT and Floyd are low-posters as I recall, maybe the lowest? Sorsha is down there as well. sig, I think some of his posts made me suspicious. I'd love to be able to look back over that one. And dear Wilgy... maybe I don't suspect Wilgy so much.

This doesn't need to be about low-posters yet though. 48 hours in this Hatch, right?

Ah See I really dislike this post, LC literally names the two low posters/inactive players (floyd and BWT) and then the two players who came close to being lynched last phase, Wilgy and myself. He is going after low hanging fruit for sure.

Quin wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:So quin of our hostages...I mean contemporaries, who do you suspect and why?

I could vote for Floyd. I dislike the support he gave for your bullshit BTSC thing earlier.

I can't recall a single thing Farnsworth has said so far. I could put him in the timmer pile of people I expect content from. timmer is no longer in the timmer pile, FYI.

I want to understand the sig suspicion, but I can already tell you I don't agree that his smiley use is suspicious. He's probably the youngest guy here, and I think smiley use is just the standard for people his age. What else is there?

I do have an unjustified ping for Black Rock. I'm not sure why I have it. I just do. I won't act on it until I can read her main thread posts again.

Yeah good point y'all are just dinosaurs who don't understand youth slang and lingo.

I'm pretty sure Farnsworth was suspected by Priz for posting without providing context? I do recall Farnsy posting, but I don't remember what he said.

timmer wrote:

Quin wrote:

timmer wrote:Ahh Pisces ftw... that's too bad quin would have been a contender for my vote.

Who else is a contender for your vote?

I could see a Sig vote, I guess he would be my new default choice but I want to flesh some things out. I had noticed a few people mentioning Floyd and the prof as being potentially shady but I don't remember why. Anyone remember?

Also I feel pretty good about LC and DH.

Why a sig vote?

Why do you feel good about LC and DH?

LoRab wrote:OK, agreed with all who stated above that it's really annoying to not be able to see the main thread, in order to see what was said previously. As is obvious, I suspect Wilgy, although less so than Day 1, based on lynch result--knowing that mafia has game-related roles (or at least some mafia), the slip seems less likely to be a slip. That said, his defense still doesn't sit right. And I still don't like that he never answered my question about why he automatically went to the conclsion that the first player to post about being from a game was lying about what game they were from, and what motivation he thinks they would have for lying about what game they were from.

I also suspect sig. Suspicion of him has been brought up a few times. He had one post that definitely pinged me and I didn't mention it at the time because I had cut and pasted a bunch of quotes and then lost them and didn't get around to going back to getting them all again and needed to get on with posting. And I don't remember exactly what it was or why it pinged me. And I realize that isn't at all helpful. And I really wish I could go back and reread his posts now. Dammit.

I've done nothing that warrants a day 2 lynch, apparently I was to calm when people suspected me, while in reality I just didn't have the time to freak out like I normally would, I used to many smiley faces, and for my thoughts on Scotty.

Nothing concrete at all and nothing that fits into my baddie meta, in fact baddie Sig can very easily copy a civ outrage freak out, look at Scrimmage I'm pretty sure I did that there.

Page 1 done onto page 2

Sorsha makes a good point on Lorab, scum slips do happen, but I'm always wary on lynching on them seeing how often I get band wagoned for that.


I didn't see anything that interesting on page two just some back and forth between lorab and Sorsha some things on Farnsworth, nothing I can think to comment on.

Page 3 point for Quin due to the South park thingy (I can't think of the word I want source? Nah that isn't it stupid college it's making me dumber) guess I won't be lynching him today.

timmer wrote:By the way Floyd was reading the thread about an hour ago. His lack of posting now becomes more of an issue when I know he has been here, knows he is in the hatch, and chose to say nothing. It suggests eother complete ennui or he's hanging in btsc somewhere. Either way it doesn't look good.

This is floyd's normal meta though isn't it?

LoRab wrote:Thus far, BR, Professor Farnsworth, Sig, and Floyd haven't posted yet. Yes?

Just to track if someone is silenced....or someone is pretending to be.

I'm here. Let's party

Long Con wrote:

LoRab wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

LoRab wrote:Thus far, BR, Professor Farnsworth, Sig, and Floyd haven't posted yet. Yes?

Just to track if someone is silenced....or someone is pretending to be.

I would hope that silencing wouldn't be a thing in a scenario where we are split into groups.

Why not? If there is a silencing role or roles, I'd assume that role/those roles would still go through...I don't see why not?

Yes, this.

I don't think BR is silenced. Hopefully she will get in here. I know she just hasn't played Mafia in a while, so it's hard for her to fit time for it into her normal routine.

This is weird? Bringing up silencing when we literally have no idea if it is real, it's like when people talk about their role to spite the silenced player.

DharmaHelper wrote:

Sorsha wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:I think I'll take this opportunity to vote LC.

Why?

I sense a disturbance in the force.

This is very very telling.



This was page three I'm posting this, going to work on my paper and be back in a bit.

Hey hey hey I'm alive, kinda.

I'd like to apologize for my absences, I've got a paper and test due tomorrow and then like four tests next week I've been studying for that are next week. I'll catch up on the thread right now, I do have to say lynching me will result in very little knowledge. I'll be reading over LC logic for lynching me, but a very good rule of thumb with LC is that if he is voting for me he is mafia. This isn't some wild accusation this is a meta driven thought process.