The Syndicate

Great game and very well played by leetic! Even though I did say we should vote them off, big bummer that I've gotta go win a game this year now though.

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 3:56 pm
sig wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 3:09 pm I’ve got that end of game certainty now that the final two mafia are Wilgy and Leetic. I’ve got very little solid reasoning to back this up, but it just seems like the most logic thing, having said that I will be reading up on those two before eod and hopefully everyone else also, but it just doesn’t seem viable that both mafia are West with only 2 West players left
Why not? There are likely two wolves remaining, there are two people on the other side remaining, what about that doesn't add up?

The night kill just doesn’t make sense if thats the case. Why would mafia hit Nutella?

If one flips town who would be the two mafia in your mind

Also Nutella should stop viewing the thread it’s giving me anxiety :P

Or I guess it could be delta, but they read very genuine as a lost civ, Epi seems to have been hunting both team evenly, and I guess that leaves WWA.

Now the big reason to suspect Leetic is they seem to have really slowed down and take a back seat. I also find the way they’re pushing Nutella read post death to be a bit scummy.

I’m open to hearing other thoughts, buuuuut given I literally don’t have a town core anymore I prob won’t listen

[VOTE: Leetic] aubergine

I’ve got that end of game certainty now that the final two mafia are Wilgy and Leetic. I’ve got very little solid reasoning to back this up, but it just seems like the most logic thing, having said that I will be reading up on those two before eod and hopefully everyone else also, but it just doesn’t seem viable that both mafia are West with only 2 West players left

I could see whatever mafia team killed Nutella to have a member in the East than the other team to have someone in the West.

This would mean WWA/Wilgy still have mafia potential.

Epi doesn’t make sense as mafia for either team right now given that he’s encouraging we look at both areas.

Ignoring the sock we’re at 4-1-1

If we misvote today and have 1 night kill then we’ve still got a final phase.

Also the flip side with my Wilgy read is he could still be mafia just landlord. So there’s that

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 12:10 pm The only players who'd kill Nutella are Epi/Leetic. Leetic has been pretty much the most vocal on both chain yeeting WWA and I, and that Davos should be ignored.

Davos - Leetic aligned. Leetic keeps suggesting we take alternative routes to solving this and keeps treating this slot with confidence that it can be solved this way.

Delta - would be incriminated, much more likely to make a kill on west that removes detractors.

Epi - COULD make the kill, but killing Nutella and then not focusing on WWA doesn't make sense. W Epi could in fact choose to not take the path of least resistance, but I probably just lose to that. (also took the lingerie, I wanted that.)

Leetic - WOULD have made the kill. Went from suspecting MR as remaining arbiter, to voting me in contrary to suspicion on MR, and only really moving back to MR on the justification of self voting. Nutella and MR both were the east side players that were vocal on that the PoE being east was incorrect. Leetic's play keeps us constrained to the East PoE and has consistently ignored/minimized Davos. (also they grabbed the weapon option provided today, which is probably minor but i don't like it anyways.)

Sig - Has no reason to make the kill. Was already advocating suspicion on both threads, so hitting Nutella doesn't really advance that at all and removes someone who never really advocated against them.

WWA - would be incriminated, can still be wolf but didn't make the Nutella kill.

I could see this actually

Granted I’ve not playing with Wilgy since the summer I think, but he seeks to be so within his civ meta that I don’t want to vote there, voting Davos seems like a waste right now thag leaves WWA from the west or East

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2024 11:49 pm
sig wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2024 7:59 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2024 5:49 pm
sig wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2024 3:31 pm [VOTE: Delta] aubergine

I’m joining Epi on this wagon for now, but I’d also be fine with a Wilgy or even Davos vote
Player salad.
How is this player salad when we’ve got likely 2 mafia left?

It’s two names with a sock who might be mafia.
T'was a joke.

Why are you still alive?

I definitely wasn’t planning on it hence why I’m so useless now, I assume I’ve not had enough of a thread impact to kill or I’m just 100% wrong on my scum reads. So I’m being left alive which if true means Leetic or/and you are mafia.

But, also when if I make it past D2/3 I usually last a long time

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2024 5:49 pm
sig wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2024 3:31 pm [VOTE: Delta] aubergine

I’m joining Epi on this wagon for now, but I’d also be fine with a Wilgy or even Davos vote
Player salad.

How is this player salad when we’ve got likely 2 mafia left?

It’s two names with a sock who might be mafia.

If scooby was a town proxy and Davos is a mafia proxy could they be the last member of the mafia team

[VOTE: Delta] aubergine

I’m joining Epi on this wagon for now, but I’d also be fine with a Wilgy or even Davos vote

And then I could see one wolf in West still or maybe Davos is actually a wolf and worth voting for

While I did initially read Wilgy effort as town I’m not thinking how MR fell on the sword and even Winds seems willing to that’s much more townie view at this point then fighting hard to stay in.

I also think Nutella dying was interesting, she was obviously a mafia hit and I’m wondering if mafia either thought she was mafia or it was someone she was town reading.

Either way with two teams left we can still hunt within the POE today.

I do plan to try and do an NKA of Nutella based off her posts yesterday, but for the time being I think Wilgy is the right choice for today.

If delta is the last mafia in west their current efforts make sense, but I also don’t want to bash someone’s for doing thread stuff this late in the game so rip me

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 6:10 pm I won't fight a Radishes yeet for sure but my current called shot is wind + delta

I’m back and forth on both, but haven’t read winds ISO.

Is a demoralized Nutella mafia with a destroyed team or town I guess woudl be the question for her. Overall she’s played a townie game and is definitely not a landlord.

She could be arbiter, I guess but i recall her hunting pretty evenly

@Epignosis come solve the game for me thx

Switching. [VOTE: MR] aubergine

I encourage everyone else to read their ISO.

So I just did a quick ISO of MR and I don’t like what I see.

They mention the members of Arbitr a lot , he always seems to have some level or suspicion of Falcon and lemon, even voting for them multiple times yet anytime another wagon seemed viable he jumped and always seemed to cast shadow of doubts on those two wagons. Overall there’s definitely some flip flopping there.

He barely mentioned Rico and when he did it was mainly positive.

You flip this with the other mafia team that’s flipped and his views all seemed to have been much more concrete with them suggesting TMI with Red Mafia and not landlords

What’s delta town meta?

Out of the 5 in west you’ve got

Leetic, epi, me, delta and tsp.

Leetic and Epi have been town reads all game .

I know I’m town.

So either delta or tsp could be mafia, but not both.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 5:47 pm I'm going rogue and listlessly isoing outside the 'Core Four'.

Delta's iso is just so...empty.

I have a feeling you’ll say the same about mine

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 5:49 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 5:47 pm
sig wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 5:42 pm What’re the chance Nutella accidentally shot mafia and decided to roll with it and play that up
I don't believe she'd accidentally shoot her partner, for sure
I mean, I was in a game once where my partner purposely vigged me and then slanked until endgame off the towncred and the players rioted and faulted the host for letting her shoot me
But that's not exactly a normal mafia play, and in that previous game, I was getting wagoned so it was justified since I would've died anyway
Or did you mean if the vig had like a low success rate and she accidentally succeeded?

I’m thinking more a rebound/vest style thing.

The other option is it was just someone on the other team

@TonyStarkPrime what’s the case on Nutella and who else would you think is mafia

What’re the chance Nutella accidentally shot mafia and decided to roll with it and play that up

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 5:19 pm
sig wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 5:12 pm I’d love to just vote Wilgy and call it a day but as I’m reading up hes definitely within his town meta
I wish I had meta on any of the other people in East Facility tbh. I've seen nut and Wilgy as town but I don't believe I've ever played with MR before, and I've never seen any of them wolf. So instead I'm just running in circles trying to figure out who's solving with town intent and who's solving with an agenda. Problem is, both remaining wolves are likely legitimately scoping each other out because they also need to kill each other.

This is very likely the biggest issue right now.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 12:53 pm delta's mafia tbh ngl imo btw

I’ll recant my previous post to say if we have mafia in west it’s probably them.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 6:50 pm So that's 2 of the 4 Easterners saying to do it, which means the scum must be me and nutella.

Except I know that's impossible, so at least one of you is backing yourself into a corner, or the premise is wrong.

Hopefully it's just the former and the town of TSP, Delta, and Sig who are paying close attention to the game are going to figure it all out.

Don’t worry we’re not

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 7:53 pm whew suddenly posting is happening again

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 6:36 pm Are we sure there aren't more wolves from the West?

Like from a design standpoint I see the symmetry but it does feel a bit of an advantage to town to have things so evenly split for situations exactly like this. It creates an artifical PoE.
oh believe me i've been keeping this in the back of my mind as well. like i do think it is just slightly silly to be completely tunnel visioned about this because if there is a wolf from west they are just sitting back and laughing at us this whole time

So, i think it’s possible we’ve got one more wolf in West, but also then you’ve got to look at players and unless we Tin foil Epi the only other potentials are TSP/Delta.

Delta annoyed me for voting for me when I was messed up, but besides that they seem townish.

TSP is a blank which isn’t good at this point in the game

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 4:24 am falcon never directly interacted with Lemonfairy or Ricochet D3. If he interacted with his remaining partner, they'd be the exception. Thing is, he interacted with every reamining member of the other thread:

- He responded to no less than ten posts from MR, which comprises an entire one fourth of his ISO.
- He responded to two of nutella's posts, one being a simple "disagree" but another asking for reads
- He responded to one of DrWilgy's posts that was accusing him
- He responded with two words to a post of WWA's that was also just two words.

If MR is falcon's partner, falcon's single-minded focus on them while completely ignoring his other two partners (including the one he was in the same thread with!) would be staggering. WWA's post would probably fit in the best with falcon's general avoidance of his partners. falcon's interactions with nutella aren't too inspiring on their own, but falcon did ask them for reads, something he only otherwise did D3 to flipped town DM (as far as I can tell). falcon's response to Wilgy is much stronger, but it is so over-the-top that I cannot entirely dismiss the possibility of it being theatre.

Falcon is amazing at not linking himself to teammates so I think that’s a good mark for MR

I’d love to just vote Wilgy and call it a day but as I’m reading up hes definitely within his town meta

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 8:08 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 8:07 pm I’m super paranoid Nutella is mafia, which probably means she’s town.

I want to say we keep the Poe going and not succumb to paranoia, but I get very paranoid in late games
yeah i had a paranoia tinfoil/backup plan line typed out in my previous post and deleted it lol just stick with poe first

Yea, it’s not bad to maybe glance outside the POE, but we’ve got the numbers (Hopefully) to vote out the most likely mafia first

With 2 mafia left if we assume west the likely people are Wilgy or delta.

Seeing how I’m still alive and trucking I’ll actually read them over and maybe a few other people.

Im also eyeing Wind as a potential mafia member

I’m super paranoid Nutella is mafia, which probably means she’s town.

I want to say we keep the Poe going and not succumb to paranoia, but I get very paranoid in late games

@Scotty @S~V~S

[VOTE: the hanged man] aubergine

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2024 10:42 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2024 10:41 pm If the thread distribution was even, then I believe both the last landlord and the last arbiter were in East Facility, meaning my half of the thread.

I would like to hunt for scum there first, before looking at West Facility.
Usually I'd call this a stupid assumption, but I think given the flips, it's pretty reasonable now.
I am in agreement to all your recent thoughts.

Hey don’t steal my thoughts

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2024 10:41 pm If the thread distribution was even, then I believe both the last landlord and the last arbiter were in East Facility, meaning my half of the thread.

I would like to hunt for scum there first, before looking at West Facility.
Usually I'd call this a stupid assumption, but I think given the flips, it's pretty reasonable now.

I’d agree with this. While it isn’t impossible the split wasn’t even I can’t imagine either team had 3 players in the thread and allowed their teammate to be killed that early.

I’m running a bit behind, but given the current state I’m confident Nutella, Epi, and leetic are town.

LC/TSP/Sloonie are all town leans. I could see one in here being mafia, but given the numbers maybe not.

That leaves

Wilgy
Delta
Nanook
Windward

Right?

With 1-2 arbiters left and 1 landlord likely left I think we’re in a prett good spot

Also while I didn’t push Falcon I want some town credit for calling him mafia for awhile

I plan to dedicate some time today to the thread, I’ll barely be around tomorrow though.

I’m eyeing delta, first the case on them totally disappeared and I don’t recall seeing why, second them voting for me when I was emojied is a bit scummy.

I can’t imagine mafia keeps hitting mafia. We’ve either got an ace vig out there or in this case dizzy had some sort of rebound when he was killed. (This was my first thought)

Ricochet wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 3:25 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 3:19 pm Earlier I thought about faking being haiku restricted again, decided that'd be no fun, and considered faking being emoji restricted just for funsies.

Looks like I might be a prophet...for Rico.

Delta wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 8:40 pm @leetic

I get my POE was narrow, honestly was still kinda holding out for no multiball so ;_;

I need to look over who I think doesnt work as either faction & I'll adjust from there, but do still think Sig could be a wolf from our side

[VOTE: SIG] aubergine

[VOTE: Delta] aubergine

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 6:28 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 12:54 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 9:21 pm So Seanzie was mostly tunneling Porscha D2 but he also suspected falcon and Sig.
I'd agree with this, but I'd add his main/only reason to suspect me was that someone in the other thread suspected me.

I'm solid on Falcon for today I think he's well within his mafia meta and we've now had both NK on our side be someone who suspected Falcon. This fits within his mafia meta 100% and lets be real he isn't a big enough town threat that mafia would set him up. (No offense Falcon )

Also having playing with him recently as mafia he's got that same feel. He's active, but very under the radar. [VOTE: Falcon] aubergine
sig basically just voted falcon early and then left.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 6:53 am Oh wait shit I thought of a better joke.

Lemon voted Lime D1 and that made him 7 up.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 6:53 am Oh wait shit I thought of a better joke.

Lemon voted Lime D1 and that made him 7 up.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2024 8:17 pm [VOTE: drwilgy ] aubergine

starting off here

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