The Syndicate

Oh and LC will you be making a third edition of World Reborn?

I was so close to not going on the same square as Epi and instead going in the opposite direction.

I had the feeling one of us would die, I was hoping timmer would've killed Epi and then I could have gotten Timmer lynched and brought Dom to life. Though I didn't quite trust Epi, until we were both dead.

This was a really fun game, thanks for hosting. My role was awesome.

Ah yeah most games with alot of claiming are open in my experience and when you are killed/die your role is revealed. So really takes the fun outta the game.

I would have put it depends but I hate role claiming with a passion so I didn't.

It really does depend though I've counterclaimed cop with a red check on me and got the player lynched in the past, but then there are games were the town mass claims and catches the mafia like that. I find it a much more boring and not as challenging play style

Interesting we have a multiply voter maybe or another factor.

Know I don't even need to think about this poll question role claiming is in my opinion a Fail, one of the worst things to ruin a good game, hinting is all well and good but once you claim? Nay it ruins the game for sure.

I'm not sure about Mac I almost agree with Lorab but am not sure
I don't really trust players on either wagons but Mac's insistent to lynch Juliet is strange as well as Floyds vote.

I'll be voting for Canucklehead
I've seen a better case for her lynch and after rereading I'm not sure if I buy the indy claim I've made it before as mafia and got out of lynches so that is were I'll be placing my vote.

I also believe Floyd is mafia. If he could be lynched over Juliet I'd be happy if not lynching him tomorrow could work as well.
So I'll be placing a vote on Juliet

I'd be willing to place my vote on Juliets, but I'm not sure some of the people on her wagon are suspicious to me.
I'd rather not lynch Cancuk today.

I think DF brought up some good points about Floyd and would be willing to pursue that lynch at some point.

Why is MM getting votes is there a case on him or just lack of posting about in game stuff?

@Epi why are you voting for Drac I didn't see your reasoning?

SVS has some good points on Canuck as does Golden, I'll need to think it over some before placing my vote, but I could vote for Canuck.

I'm null on the TH/Typhoony thing, it seems TH case is based on his interaction with juliets and I'm null with a few gut pings on her. Though TH makes a good point that Typhoony seems to not directly engage juliets.

Out of these two cases I'd rather go with Canuck.
I need to think some more about juliets, she doesn't seem to be in panic mode and her late phase vote on Luke was strange. But as I said still need to think about it.

linki: Are sure you're not just planning a typhoony kill in BTSC? :P

sig wrote:

DFaraday wrote:I think better of Sig after that Luke lynch. Since Nutella turned out not to be part of a baddie team, I think the best place to look would be people potentially trying to save Luke in the previous lynch.

Okay that is good to know, what do you think about Floyd, Tranq did mention him a few times and voted for him, but I'm not sure if that plays into his death.

@Sorsha Any idea who might have killed Tranq?
/quote]

Sorsha could you answer this also who are your top three scum reads?

DFaraday wrote:I think better of Sig after that Luke lynch. Since Nutella turned out not to be part of a baddie team, I think the best place to look would be people potentially trying to save Luke in the previous lynch.

Okay that is good to know, what do you think about Floyd, Tranq did mention him a few times and voted for him, but I'm not sure if that plays into his death.

@Sorsha Any idea who might have killed Tranq?

I'll need to look over juliets, but I do think someone who mildly defended Luke or didn't vote for him and picked a solo vote is a teammate.

TheFloyd73 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

TheFloyd73 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Matt F wrote:The interaction between Luke/Bug is interesting Epi. I was going to say "perhaps Luke's team told him to say that to Bug", but those posts are within 10 minutes of each other. Add to that the Drac stuff...

My only problem with the theory and it's a small problem. Bug and Luke are friends. If Bug was on Luke's team, do you think he would've had more of a motivation to play?

No. I've invited many people to sign up here and play, and they hate it and never come back.

BUGLA won't be back, I didn't think he would enjoy Mafia much. Luke looks like he'll be here to stay.

Based on BULGA's input before being replaced, do you think BULGA's replacement should be lynched?

But day 1 you said Bug was bad and voted for him?

@Floyd what do you think about Mac you mentioned him being Inactive and getting modkilled thus not worth voting for earlier this game. Know that this won't be happening what do you think of him?

An example of this is DFaraday half of there in game posts have been about me or related to me, and they've repeatedly voted for me. This would require them to vote elsewhere and talk about other players.

I have three main reasons, the people I find more suspicious are in the bottom half, I'm not in the bottom half which would remove me from the poll, and this would allow us to focus on other players as well as not have as many people focus only on me. I've seen a few players focus only on getting me lynched or only voting for me this would require them to vote for other people and give us some insight about them.

I've liked Matt's answers to me, plan not to lynch him tomorrow.

eccentric

noun
a disc or wheel mounted eccentrically on a revolving shaft in order to transform rotation into backward-and-forward motion, e.g., a cam in an internal combustion engine.






I don't find EPi to be acting eccentric, it seems genuine to me,

[quote="sig"]That wasn't my idea and I had a different strategy behind those kills./quote]

I did answer Matt and I'm surprised I haven't registered on your radar since I was the main topic of conversation Day 2, a good portion on Day 3, and again to a lesser extent today.

Your argument revolves around my team killing someone who is suspicious of me which would've been Zebra, however Luke is on the same team which makes it much less practical. Right know I could lynch Matt tomorrow if he is on the poll.

Just a quick little thing

Matt F wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I'm voting Luke.

Just yesterday you were surprised at the "mob" on Luke and now you vote for him?

Some soft defense of Luke here

Matt F wrote:Are we really lynching another new guy?

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In light of Luke's lynch this looks bad for you Matt. Are you usually opposed to lynched new players or just new players who are teammates?

Matt F wrote:I don't have any sort of read on Lorab. If anything, I was thinking of joining the sig train to stop this new guy massacre.

Or we can all vote for Metalmarsh

Avoids LoRab and is going to vote me to save a new player and for that reason alone you'd vote for me?

Matt F wrote:Could be, sig. Tell me, would you pull the same exact move you did in the other game and attempt to NK your accusers?

Then tries to make a connection that I killed Zebra. Which fails seeing how I was one of the players who said Luke was mafia and Luke's team killed Zebra.

High posters will be off the poll tomorrow, only the low posters will be on the poll.

I voted Yes

That wasn't my idea and I had a different strategy behind those kills. If we wanna talk about that game, nobody thought I was mafia and had avoided detection if not for all those "forced" votes and the tie going wrong I'd have sailed to end game.

and bringing up a current game tsk tsk?

linki: but I'm underage and you might just all be old perverts wanting me to get shirtless

linki 2: Told you so

MacDougall wrote:Changing my vote to sig. He cum.

Not for you I won't

DrWilgy wrote:Edit to the last post.

Sig was called baddie for saying "Mafia are killing low posters" vs "I think mafia are killing low posters?"

LOL, Sig you would get yourself caught in this situation.

Ok I'm not going to be voting you today babe <3

I propose a LoRab CFD

You're going to make me blush Wilgy.
and who else could get caught in such a situation.

linki: Matt maybe the new guy is mafia he has been playing a rather suspicious game.

I'm a civilian since the argument against me is fundamentally wrong. This argument is based around a "scum slip". I said it appeared the scum was killing low posters and a few players attacked me for it. Mainly Zebra and Bulls. That is the center of suspicion on me, I've had several players clear me, as well as the fact I defended the points brought up against me.

There are several other arguments for lynches today besides the imo weakly constructed argument . Two of my voters have been tunneling on me. Bulls since day 1 and DFaraday since day 2, In DFaraday case they have posted very little and just dropped votes on me. I don't know why timmer 2.0 is voting for me and Luke is since I voted him and this is the other wagon.

So you see I'm not the best candidate for today's lynch especially since several players have expressed a desire to not lynch me.
The other argument used against me is based around how day 2 I defended myself suspiciously keep in mind I spent that entire phase defending myself from both Zebra and Bulls who were aggressively pursuing me as several people voted for me without truly looking over my defense.

plus I'm fun and they aren't.

DrWilgy wrote:

sig wrote:Why?

I thought we had something special

Tone reads yo! I tried to catch up, realized that wasn't working, so I'll use what I can to play in the now.

We do Sig, I love you as a player and as a friend! <3 But as long as we aren't on the same team, I gotta end the game as fast as possible so we can be on the same team next game!!

I suppose tone reads are really fragile though... Convince me you aren't bad yo!

I would need to see bank account numbers and pictures before I can confirm the loving factor. :P

How could I convince you I'm not bad any questions you might have?

Why?

I thought we had something special

While I think Luke is confused about the game, his post has made me more confident that he could be a baddie.

DrWilgy wrote:Sig is Mafia!!! Lynch him!!! I propose a swift orderly cfd!!

ANy reason for this or is it just part of your spidery senses?

@Luke right know you have the most votes I could switch off of you, but I need you to do a few things first, mainly answer a few questions.

What are your current reads?
Who do you think is good?
Who do you think is bad?
Then could you defend your voting record? You've avoided many big wagons.
Day 1 voted Tranq
Day 2 You voted for me
Day 3 Nutella and Bug
Day 4 part 1 no vote.

So why did you vote for me Day 2 but not Day 3?
Why did you vote Nutella day 3 but not fay 4 part 1?

Besides joining mine and Nutella wagon you've avoided the major lynches and kept to the backround this is quite pingy to me.
I don't like your reasoning for my vote, and if Bulls/Zebra made such good points why not follow it the next day?
I believe you're scum and was told in BTSC to back off from my wagon a bit which is why you stopped voting for me.

Luke11646 wrote:

Tranq wrote:

sig wrote:

MacDougall wrote:Excuse me sigtown. Who would you vote for if you were scum, town or indy? Name three.

scum BUGLABUSH/Luke
town Bulls/Elohcin
indy I'd go with a bandwagon and flow with it.

sig wrote:Right know placing a vote for Luke I'd like him to answer my questions.

Sig why did you say that you would vote for me if you where scum yet you are voting for me right now?

My opinions change, know I think you're scum, I believe I already answered Tranq on this point and I'm surprised you don't actually defend yourself or answer any questions you just quote Tranq's post.

@Luke why are you voting for me?

Nice, while she wasn't mafia the Darkness was most certainly not civ friendly.

Okay thanks I couldn't recall if that was the case or not.

Epignosis wrote: "nouns"

What is a noun?
:P

I could live with a nutella lynch today I did vote for her yesterday, but I'd right know rather lynch Luke. I'm fairly confident we would get a mafia or negative/dark independent with a Luke lynch.
With nutella I'm not as sure.

I'd need to read over splints before I make up my mind on her and see a good argument, I don't think nutella flipping either way will indicate anything. Not to mention role flipping is all guesswork right?

@Drac look at both kills,Team 2 killed zebra Team 1 tried to kill Bulls obviously the scum agrees with me that one or the other is scum. Or the scum is trying to frame me but honestly that seems like alot of work going after a mediocre player. Why did what I say seem strange? The main reason I could see the mafia teams trying to NK my accusers is because they think one is on the other mafia team. It makes no sense in a set up sort of way since both teams have tried to do this so it is the logical conclusion.

@Tranq at that time I'd have bussed them, know I'm frustrated he hasn't answered any questions, I most likely won't end the day with a vote on him and am not trying to start a bandwagon either this is simply a pressure vote. Though I'll most likely switch either to save myself or pursue a better target.

Draconus wrote:

sig wrote:

Draconus wrote:Placeholder vote on Bass. Simply because I don't know the other cases yet.

Epi, any pings/cases on those who voted for non-changeable vote option?

What is the case on Bass?

Know the reason I didn't vote for a double lynch was simply, it increases the chances that I could get lynched.

Pretty much mine and Epi's interactions with him recently. I haven't had that much time to catch up, so I am unsure of anything brought up about him prior to Night 3.
Thank you for your explanation. That seems fair. Can I get your viewpoint on why people want you lynched?

For Bass he only recently subbed in so not much information based around voting, posts etc

The reason people have attempted to lynch me is because when Timmer was NK night 1, I said what the mafia was doing (killing low posters) this lead some people to claim I made a scum slip of my teams strategy.
When I defended myself they said I was over reacting and my argument was suspicious.
I myself say it wasn't a scum slip and just the way I worded it. I also believe there is at least one scum maybe two on my wagon and pushing it. I think the other scum team also agrees with me and I say this since yesterday Zebra was killed and today the other team attempted to kill Bull's.
I'm still fairly confident there is one or two scum on my wagon, my personal thoughts is that Bull's is scum many don't agree so I could be wrong. If not Bulls it's very likely one of the others on my day 2 and maybe day 3 wagon is scum.
I'll look into that more myself later.

Draconus wrote:Placeholder vote on Bass. Simply because I don't know the other cases yet.

Epi, any pings/cases on those who voted for non-changeable vote option?

What is the case on Bass?

Know the reason I didn't vote for a double lynch was simply, it increases the chances that I could get lynched.

So tonight Bull's was a target of an attempted Nk by the Circle. I find it interesting both mafia groups have killed off or tried to kill major supporters of my lynch. Any thoughts on this because outside of pursuing me Bulls hasn't gone after many people.

Th was killed by Dr Von, not much to go on by that but I've got the feeling Dr Von is an independent.

Right know placing a vote for Luke I'd like him to answer my questions.

@nutella any idea why you didn't get lynched yesterday?

@Luke what do you think about the game so far who do you plan to lynch?

Welcome Darconus,


I suggest we lynch Bulls tomorrow when he is inactive. :P

nutelle wasn't lynched interesting. Was it a power or just only one lynched was meant to happen?

Voting Bulls and Tiny Bubbles.

MacDougall wrote:

sig wrote:I'm as scummy as you Mac...............oh wait nevermind since I'm not actually a baddie.

Vote me you fiend

Nope I'm good I don't like to vote for those who encourage it usually something nasty happens to those who do it.

I'm okay with the Bubbles lynch, not sure about nutelle I'll review that case.

I'm not sure about Juliets switch that is strange.

linki: I'll need to look Luke over don't expect to find much but we could find a mafia there also.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:Hey everyone. So there is no way I can catch up on 30 pages, but I did read everything from where I was ask to replace in. All I'm seeing is a bunch of stuff about sig and bubbles with hints of stuff about golden . So I'm going to be focusing on the cases on those 3.
Also if anyone can give me a recap oh people who had meaning full interaction with the people who were kill it would really help.

Know I'm not sure about the bubbles case much, people have mentioned golden for seeming disingenuous for defending me I believe.

Know people voting for me is focusing around that I said after Timmers death the mafia is most likely killing low posters. This got a few players suspicious and began accusing me and when I defended myself they said my defense was suspicious. Know zebra one of the two main people pursuing me was killed leading me to believe the mafia are attempting to set me up, and the other pushing my lynch is bulls who I believe is mafia. I can't recall the other reasons for those who voted for me though.

so today you vote for one player in each Option and votes are changable.

@juliets I'd most likely vote for Bullzeye right know, though if I'm not in fear of getting lynched I'd review the cases of the other leading wagons. I won't be voting Golden today though.

DFaraday wrote:I'd also point out that we still have a full day left in this phase, so saying I voted you and never came back sounds a bit alarmist.

I meant the previous day phase.
Know DFaraday my first game here Bullets over Broadway we were on the same mafia team correct? In said games I made no scum slips but was instead caught mainly by sloonie for flipflopping and being wishy washy on voting and reads. Do you agree with this?

juliets wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

juliets wrote:Sig, I'm not sure what you want me to comment on other than to say I do believe you sound sincere but the facts of the case for me come down on the side of you being bad. I have been fooled by sincerity before (LC is shaking his head yes) and this time I'm going with the facts I get out of the posts.

What are the facts of the case, juliets?

sig made a post that read to me like he had knowledge of one of the baddies team, specifically their strategy for kills. He was then asked about that post and in my opinion he overreacted to what was being said about him. The argument grew into words that he thought another person used - Bullz I think - that he didnt think meant the same as his words (I disagreed - I saw these things as acceptable paraphrases). These overreactive defenses looked baddie in nature as imo most overreactive defenses looked. As I look at his whole behavior through this period my opinion is he is likely bad. I'm sure I've left something out but that is the nutshell of the case for me.

You say I was overreacting but keep in mind I had two highly aggressive players coming after me, and well look at yesterday and how quickly most of the people placed there vote on me. I reacted naturally. I still stand bywhat I said about the semantics of the argument.Know quickly looked at Bulls list everyone who voted for me is deemed as civvie and anyone that defended me is scummy? I would also like to hear DFaraday reasons for voting for me since I can't remember any. She/He voted for me very early yesterday and never came back and has done the same today.

No offense taken Epi especially since it is true. As I said I usually do better with my scum games since nobody is trying to get me lynched, that is one of the reasons I can tell those who initial start my wagons are mafia. Since mafia always starts my wagons.
What is everyone's thoughts on my last post on Bulls?
Juilets you mentioned LC sounding sincere you realize what is being done to me is what he tried to do in TH as scum?

Notice DFaraday has once again dropped a fly by vote on me, without explanation or posts about anyone else.

If I'm on the team that didn't kill Timmer then we killed Zebra tonight? That makes no sense it might have removed someone who would vote for me but it increases mychances of getting lynched.
Know I think your on the team that killed Zebra, in an attempt to get me lynched.
Obviously team 2 is trying to get me lynched Zebra had only many gone after me and this further puts me in the hot seat.

juliets that is quite the opportunistic vote what happened to this view that you had yesterday?

juliets wrote:

sig wrote:I wasn't really trying to get zebra lynched in the last few posts, it was two things I was trying to ever so stealthy say something but it kinda flew over her head and I was messing around it doesn't seem we will be lynching someone today so I'm joking around slightly more then usually but most of even these posts have points to them.

Or maybe she knows what I was trying to say and is really scum right know I'm leaning scum on her but we will see soon enough if my hunches are correct.

There is a very slim possibility she could get lynched with fewer votes but if I was trying to change the lynch I would push Mac/juilets they are more likely to get last minute lynched then

Linki: juliets this whole wagon was started based on a small word choice to when I posted why I thought Timmer was killed. I was accused of giving horriblhy defense etc but keep in mind I've been being pushed and forced to defend myself for an entire phase, with multiply people accusing me and jumping on my wagon very early. I've had few other people chime in for me and has had multiply people attack me rather aggressively those that havent have dropped votes and that was it. This is a scum wagon I don't think your post is genuine but if it is think about it from my perspective. I've made long posts defending myself pieces of those posts were then nitpicked at to find more "evidence" against me. People DEFENDING Bulls when he twisted and changed the words then said I said them. When I mentioned this and actually made posts not only defending myself but also looking at other peoples post to prove it was made by scum and prove when people mainly Bulls changed my wording and made it seem more sinister my points were ignored. If you can't see this is a scum created wagon then vote for me.
I have the feeling you already decided to vote for me though and am simply asking this to look better if I flip civ.

sig your post gives me pause because it sounds so sincere but as the day ends and after looking through your posts especially the ones in these last few hours you look like you are really scrambling. So at the end of it all I'm going to take my chances that this is not a scum wagon and if it is I will take my punishment.

You voted for me thinking I was sincere and civvie but voted EOD not the biggest eye raiser YET today your voting for me as well? Please explain when you said I sounded sincere why you'd vote for me today as well?


Notice Bulls is know setting up for a Golden lynch? As well as his post yesterday which preemptively defended himself.
In this post.

Bullzeye wrote: If he is a civ, it will be a shame for him to be lynched. However, I alone will not be responsible for such a thing. I've not even voted yet. I'm probably going to vote Sig when I do, yes, but unless everyone else's vote doesn't count mine alone won't kill him.

So right here, already ready to cast blame and suspicion on anyone else who voted for me, saying he isn't the one responsible for it and hadn't even voted. He leaves his options open to not vote for me in case the wagon doesn't take off or if he thinks it would be better to lynch a different civ. Again is ready to castblame on anyone else with the last sentence and diminish his role in my lynch.
Also notice after my post calling this post out he places his vote, this was done since I called him out and he needed to look genuine in his suspicion and not scummy.

Bullzeye wrote: Plenty of people are wrong in their suspicions every game. I think the case against Sig is strong, and if he flips civ it will still have been a strong case. A wrong case, yes, but not one that was inherently bad.

After setting up the other people who voted for me he says this.
Well many people are wrong so it isn't a big deal. He then defends his case and says even if I'm civ the case isn't bad. Right here is enough to prove alone I'm civ. He defends not only himself but also his case, so when I flipped civ he could quote back to this and say well it was a strong case to bad it was wrong, but not a big deal since many people get mislynched.

Bullzeye wrote: I don't think he is a civ though. I think he is bad for his reaction and for the fact that you are so adamantly defending him despite having no obvious reason to do so. I don't think his points have any validity to them. He acts as if I'm doing some terrible malicious thing by replacing a word with one of its synonyms and claims I'm a nitpicking baddie all because I'd made one post saying his choice of words looked strange.

Know he is back on the attack on this, reconfirms he thinks I'm "bad' and diminishes my point when he changed my wording to argue for my lynch. Make it seem like I'm being erratic when he makes my wording seem more negative after I called him out on it, and defends that he isn't nitpicking.
Another thing about this he minimizes his own suspicion of me making it seem like I'm acting strange when I already had a vote and a few people saying they would vote for me.
He also attacks HB in this post with a classic scum attack saying he will target HIM next unless he drops the defense much like he is know doing with golden.

Bulls knows I won't flip mafia this post especially proves that, as he prematurely sets up his own defense for when I flip.

Tiny you voted for both me and Golden both are in option one? Why did you votefor me anyway?

Oh well glad I voted, does this mean we will have two lynches if so is this a game mechanic or an ability?