The Syndicate

Mac I turned dark Night 5, however I wanted to join the dark side since the game started. I was surprised that I was on the same team as the Emperor, I was thinking I'd have been more of a SK solo survivor thing.

I was so certain that Simon was on the Hutt team, and for awhile I thought the Empire was filled with low posters. I still stand by my theory Llama/Luke (?) is the last Empire baddie.

Empire why did you kill me, also who submitted the kill?

DrWilgy wrote: N6: to MP, Jabba has offered to buy your vote. If you vote for sig you will recieve 30 credits the following night.

Well that wasn't very nice.
:P

[quote="DrWilgy"I think Mac was the only one who figured out my game. Anyone else have thier suspicions?[/quote]

Your play style reminded me of how you acted in Witchhunt (I think?), however I never had more then a gut suspicion of you.

Why was Savage killed so early in the game?

I don't recall force voting you, but I did force Zebra to vote for MP.

I bought the abilty to use my night power twice in one night. It backfired and I would've been unable to address anyone by their name or nickname. However, I was silenced that day so it didn't matter.

Flipping to the dark side and being on Dom's team was probably one of my funniest experiences in mafia so far.

I was very hesitant to use any dark powers to begin with, since I wasn't sure what turning to the dark side would mean.

I'm very curious what powers the other force users had.

More importantly did any of the Jawa items work?

linki: nvm I just picked a bad day. Who did Yoda train?

Matt technical Dom and I were a separate team from the Empire. :P
Though I was worried Dom would be able to betray me.

DharmaHelper wrote:There may be other players who met their win conditions, but Epi would have to clarify.

I might have won, but I'm not quite sure. :P

Good game all around I really enjoyed myself playing this. A big shout out to DH and Epi for the awesome role abilities, credit system, and write ups.

Thanks for hosting I'm looking forward to your next game!

Good job to the winners.

Vote for Lady Godiva with me.

DrWilgy wrote:Also Mac, I am pretty sure that we are all well aware of you being able to shitpost plenty of times regardless of alignment. See my sig for reference :P

We shouldn't fight like this regardless of in game standings let's all make dirty jokes instead!

Sig can neither confirm nor deny this, for doing so would be considered On topic. :P

Epignosis wrote:Chaching

Tractor Beam - Target a player on the poll, and the Tractor Beam will pull up to 3 votes off them. Cannot be used on yourself, and double effect on Jawas. One-time use only.

PM your bids to the hosts.

Someone should use the Tractor Beam to pull me out of the heavens and return me to the land of the living.

Ooooo what type of truffles?

Jerks I should have lurked more this game.

Though I had fun I'd like to thank DH and EPi for the game it was amazing, and the write ups are great.

I'm awaiting the PM telling me that I've been rezzed..........................right? :P

Have a Christmas party tonight, so just popping in. If I die tonight remember why, it will be since I'm one of the main players pushing an MP lynch and it is his factions night to kill.

I also am starting to believe Mac is MP teammate as well as Llama. Do I have a bigcase against them? No, though Llama was the first to vote and attempted to form the counterwagon on Zebra, while Mac is know playing into MP attempt to create fear and paranoia that I'm somehow manipulating the game to get MP lynched and redirected the lynch to Golden all in an attempt to lynch MP, or some such nonesense. SO IF I DIE LYNCH MP even if this won't be counted as a win for me I still want us to lynch the scum especially when I was one of the people responsibly for getting MP

Why would I need to do such a stupid thing when I made a good enough case against you and you were lynched. No this is your team and know your trying to survive an extra day by spreading fear and trying to make people paranoid.

lol you were about to be lynched and know yourtrying to say someone set you up? THe Empire has two secret roles on there team Emperor and Vader one of them saved you.

Tomorrow your getting lynched your team only gave you one extra day to live.

One of the baddies secret powers must be to redirect a lynch, since Golden is a high profile civ it would make sense to redirect to him.

WHAT WHAT................!!!!!!!!!
Fairuhiaurhngnad;fnn

If you were a civilian sure but you aren't, so Hutt or Empire, I think Empire. Which one though there are four to choose from.

linki: I am very confident your ISO screamed mafia to me.

The suspense is killing me here. I just can't wait to see which baddie MP actually is.

I would, but I'm not wrong. True I was wrong about Simon but I'm more confident in this lynch then I was in that one.

linki: That wouldn't be very nice dragging revenge cross sites. :P

Should I wait until he is official lynched to start ISO him? Or do it know.

Right know I don't think Space daisy is scum based on her vote for MP. I also am thinking Zebra is civ.
For Tomorrow I would be down for a Llama lynch.

linki: Mr. Sig wrong Idon't think so.
Hope you feel better DH

Good game MP though you*

I would feel wrong if I didn't feel so right about this lynch.

Good game though MP almost had me fooled, though after you I've got no clue who else is scum.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:Sorry if you're civ, MP.
You're about to be.

Nope don't think she is.

nvm just saw your vote, if I ever need a checkup I'll come to you Wilgy.

as long as you don't perv on me to much.

linki:

His plight with finals is all well and good, I understandhe is busy, but that doesn't stop him from being mafia. If you don't believe either are mafia then place your vote on who you think is, however I'd encourage you to vote for MP

Wilgy if you are here and about to vote look everything over and consider both cases. MP is bad while zebra appears not to be, it is that simply. MP has been active but has lacked any amount of scum hunting and has spent the phase trying to manipulate players not to vote for him.

Using the excuse that there could be voter manipulation to not vote for someone is weak imo. We are unsure if there was or wasn't if there was it wasn't done to everyone who voted for MP there is a case agaisnt him, and I believe he is mafia.

a2thezebra wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Want to shoot off a rainbow? I'm going to leave mine behind before my unfortunate death.
Sure.

Dom
Bubbles
Russtifinko
DrWilgy
Sorsha
Spacedaisy
Bass_the_Clever
Bullzeye
DFaraday
sig
MovingPictures07
Matt
thellama73
MacDougall
nijuukyugou
Canucklehead
Golden
Elohcin

Why is golden so low on the list?

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Bullzeye wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Poll ends in 3 hours... I hope the others who haven't voted yet show up.
I can't decide who to vote for at all today
I'd implore you to assist in my survival, but of course, if you think I'm the best way to vote then I understand.

Let's talk. What thoughts do you have on today's events? Or if you're unsure about how today impacts your reads, who were you suspecting most before Day 7 events?

@Bulls doesn't this post read as manipulative to you?

I suggest you vote for MP, or at least readover his posts.

Mp thanks for saying I'm some brilliant mafia manipulator, but that idea is laughable. I did vote early since I was confident you were mafia, though the fact you think Iwas able to manipulate this entire thing against you and I switched from solid civ to must lynch so quickly only confirms you're scum.

Mac I'm sorry you feel that way I don't think this is the case and I think you and Dom are havinga misunderstanding. You should PM the mod and duty and stayand play.

I think your in panic mode right know, you're not actually responding to any of the points against you. You're just saying my case against you is bullshit and those who are lynching you are bad.

Zebra glad you think my questions were good do you have any theory on which one is correct?

linki: I don't think I'll need to worry about that since you won't be flipping civilian

MovingPictures07 wrote:I need help. Please don't let me die.

Trying to manipulate people's emotions like that? This seems quite scummy.

a2thezebra wrote:
Spacedaisy wrote:I don't recall saying I thought you were MP's teammate.
Neither do I.

Zebra your a neutral read to me right know, your posts today have been odd, which is suspicious, but if my hunch is correct then I don't think your on MP's team. In fact the more I think about the more I think you've had multiply things happen to you today. Which would be amusing wouldn't it?

I'm confident you aren't a Hutt at all.

Quick question to all why no kill last night? Was it blocked or is it a planet power? Or inactivity? If it is an ability of the planet then I'd think there will be a planet that gives the mafia a boost.

a2thezebra wrote:That was speedy and convenient, sig.

linki - Oh boy

How so?

Ah I reread Zebra's posts

a2thezebra wrote:And Dom, I can go in and out of insanity mode all I want, it doesn't matter what time of day it is. I'm only doing it to show you and whoever else that not all of my words (and perhaps not all of my actions) today are sincere. Because somehow these posts were too subtle:

a2thezebra wrote:
Sorsha wrote:You think Golden is civ zebra?
Yes, and I think MP is bad. No clue which team though.

a2thezebra wrote:Interesting. You figure him for a Hutt, right? Any idea who might be Empire? I think MP might be empire.
So I made it less subtle:

a2thezebra wrote:MP is bad. He is not bad. He is Empire. He is one of the Jawas. He is town. He is Hutt. He is one of the Tusken Raiders. He is civilian. He must be lynched. Dom is good.

MovingPictures07
And people still didn't pick up on anything so I had to go batshit. And even that didn't work because now I'm apparently doing it to distance myself from the Hutts. Sorry for being certain that what happened to me is Crumb's doing.

She is being made to say MP isn't bad. While she in facts thinks he is. If I'm correct in saying this then nevermind Zebra is neutral to me

I theorize you're both on team Empire. MP did do some solid hunting of Enrique and possibly Hutt members, so it is less likely that he is one of there teammates.

Your hinting atbeing forced and trying to get people to not vote for MP is very pingy which makes me think you are one of his teammates.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Between zebra, Dom, and sig, I'm starting to smell a coordinated lynch to take me down from at least someone piggybacking off of Roxy's flip to perpetuate a suspicion insinuating false information about me. And I don't like it.

I actually believe Dom is being sincere the more I read from him, so that leaves zebra and sig.

Wait so originally you thought both Zebra and myself were civs while Dom was mafia. You've completely changed your mind on us since I made a case against you.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
sig wrote:
MacDougall wrote:Voting for Dom.
Really? That seems like a revenge vote.

@Dom don't counter vote Mac just because he voted for you, look over MP as well as my case on him. I think you as well as any member that looks at my ISO then reads over MP will see, he is scum.

linki: Lynch post? LYNCH POST????? I thought we had another 24 hours ????!!!
Yep, sig is bad. You had me fooled!

I didn't expect a NO U from you MP. You're mafia and are know trying to paint doubt about me.

DrWilgy wrote:So... I'm attepting to catch up again. After my weekend I went into finals mode...

I still want to do a canuck ISO.

Linki - Are we lynching sig? I'm always ok with lynching Sig :P

Wilgy I'll lynch Sig with you tomorrow if you lynch MP with metoday......oh wait no I won't. Though if I'm wrong about MP y'all can lynch me tomorrow :P

I was keeping in mind voter manipulation, if it is happening I don't think it changes anything. I made a case against MP, Daisy thinks MP is bad, and if you just read over MP post I think you'll see he looks like scum. How much has he actually scum hunted this game? Compare his scum hunting to mine. I helped hunt Enrique and possible teammates, and I see that MP is empire mafia.

linki: I agree with Daisy here, I think Zebra is a potential teammate and if there was voter manipulation she as a teammate was forced to vote for MP. MP also seems to be in a panic mode right know. He has accused me,Zebra, and Daisy of being scum since we are lynching him or have suspicion of him.
When MP flips mafia, I think we should go after Zebra I'm beginning to think she is on his team.

I don't trust Llama.
Zebra is a slight civ read for me.
I did have Mac as a civ, but I don't like that he voted for Dom over MP.
I'm feeling better about SpaceDaisy.

MacDougall wrote:Voting for Dom.

Really? That seems like a revenge vote.

@Dom don't counter vote Mac just because he voted for you, look over MP as well as my case on him. I think you as well as any member that looks at my ISO then reads over MP will see, he is scum.

linki: Lynch post? LYNCH POST????? I thought we had another 24 hours ????!!!

I would hardly call the MP wagon and easy wagon. Though I know if he is lynched we will get good results.
Llama are you saying Dom and MP are both mafia?

My laptop overheated and a good portion of my ISO of MP is gone know. Here is the portion which I saved in Microsoft
MovingPicture

So some day zero fluff, has some interactions with Sorsha and MM but that doesn't point to alignment. One thing worth quoting though.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Thanks for analyzing this poll, folks!

I'm voting Alderaan, just to make the poll a bit more interesting, and because some people think it sounds OK. I doubt Epi made the results obvious though, if there are any (besides serving as a mechanic for the role that Golden pointed out).

Why did you quote this Sig? Good question and the answer is simply if MP is mafia and if he is as good a scum player as I think then him voting for this planet makes sense. It isn't seen as being to rebel like so he wasn't trying to appear more civvie. Yet it wasn't a planet that could be seen as bad.
This isn't really a ping, but I do think it is worth noting.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Gun to my head, I actually find Russtifinko suspicious in that exchange. He seems to express two distinct slight pings of both DDL and zebra, but it seems a bit opportunistic for him to say on the one hand that he is NOT pinged by DDL's logic but that he was pinged by DDL overexplaining it. Could possibly be a disingenuous way for Russtifinko to throw mud at two players who are relatively easier to lynch than the rest of us, particularly this early, since you both tend to post a lot and easily misinterpreted.

Some suspicion of Russ he later casts a fake vote for Russ. Know Enrique and Brian both tried to get Russ lynched, as did Glorfindel (know Space) I'd find it odd for the whole mafia team to try and get a player lynched, but this is the beginning of what I see as an attempt to get Russ lynched. Which was later used by Glorfidnel as an excuse not to vote, and as an attempt to save Enrique.
Slight scum ping from this post.

Okay some thoughts, MP lasts alot and I mean alot of questions. This isn't scummy in itself, but it seems like he is casing out others thoughts then actually giving his own, this makes him involved in the game and will allow him to join a bandwagon or start one based on others thoughts. He has some interesting interactions with Brian and Enrique. Some of it seems calculated to save them, but I'm not convinced. I believe MP is more likely to be a member of the Empire. Know two things throughout Day 1 I've noticed MP asks lots of questions and comes across as very helpful/friendly. This is giving me a bad gut feeling. He seems like he is trying to hard to be seen as a townie and be involved. Here are some quotes.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Savage wrote:As of right now, I feel strongest that zebra is town. This is subject to change depending on how others post, but overall it has to do with how contributive her post are and fingering all people she finds suspect/inquires about. My neutral reads would be people like movingpictures07, MacDougall and MetalMarsh89. These are players that I've noticed post since the start of day 1. Not saying others haven't posted, but I mostly view on mobile(gonna have to change that if I plan to play serious) and so I haven't critically read many post and really only remember post if I notice an avatar I see. Which is why I want to re-read the phase when I have time.
As someone who has never played with almost every player here, I'm particularly interested in any elaboration you can provide.

This is interesting mainly since Savage was killed by the Empire. I see this is the third post MP engaged him in, and the first post Savage mentioned MP directly. I will be watching any interaction MP has with dead players especially with those killed by the Empire.

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 81#p198981

The above is a long post by MP, in this post the main things that draw my attention is his soft defense of bcornett, his ping on Enrique, and his interaction with Zebra. This post leads me to think he isn't on team Hutt.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Glorfindel wrote:I've got to tell you guys, I feel so far out of my depth right now. From my limited experience, what passes for evidence this early on in Mafia games is often little more than a combination of bravado and overactive imagination. All I can see is some particularly harsh accusations being thrown around by some VERY enthusiastic players. I have been around long enough not to mistake aggressiveness in these games with Mafia guilt so a couple of feuding prominent players (at this stage of the game) doesn't convince me that one is necessarily Mafia. From what I've read, Golden seems to make a lot of sense to me...

Like I said, I'm having a lot of trouble trying to follow you guys...
Glorfindel, as with Savage, you're new to many of the players here. This means your evaluations won't be blinded by town or mafia-colored glasses due to past experience, this cumulative thing we call meta.

I can understand fully that you feel lost; I know how it is playing on foreign sites in talkative games where you know no one. It's pretty tough.

You say Golden makes a lot of sense. How so? On which points?

Any non-Golden related thoughts?

Some prompting from MP to Glorfindel, first sign of a connection between the two I see. Null post, but when MP flips mafia I think there is a good chance Glorfidnel would be on his team.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Spoiler: show
Matt F wrote:Alright, I've got about 12 minutes, and then I'll be back about 2 hours after that if there are any responses.

Enrique - I look forward to endgame when you find out that I most definitely did not have any info whatsoever.

Dom - Really? I get pinged because my contributions have been "nothing useful", and now you vote for me because I dared to contribute? Haha when I flip, I hope peeps look at you first. What did you think of the few ISO's I made, whether they were a stupid endeavor or not? I'm an easy effin' lynch thanks to Zebra, and you just throwing your vote on me without even giving me a chance to respond earns you an

Dragon - Again, so...If I don't contribute, I get sussed by folks, if I do contribute, I get sussed by people. Peachy.

Mac - You make me feel bad when you say "Matt fuckin' F of all people"

sig - Please when you can be bothered to read the thread, answer my question.

Zebra - If you don't want to answer my questions, fine. If it's too hard for you to put these supposed answers you've already given me in a nice simple post, then wow. Can you at least take each of my three questions, and direct me to which of your already 100 posts I can find those answers in? No? I'm guessing not.

Someone said I was doing half assed ISO's (Dom maybe?), please elaborate.

Golden - Whenever you get a chance, please give me specific examples where you think my ISOs have all been disingenuous. Again, NONE of them were so this should be fun.

MP - I think you said you'd be busy today, but again, please answer my question to you when you get a chance (and whether I'm dead or not). Thanks!

Right now without even rereading Dom, I know he came in here and threw a vote on Alderaan w/o explanation, and now threw a vote on me without even giving me a chance to respond. Eff that, if Zebra gets her wish and I'm lynched today, look at Dom first (but yeah, keep a close eye on Zebra and Golden too if they don't answer my questions)

Alright, it's about 5 till noon my time, I should be back around 2:30, 3. Peeps, I am not Mafia. I did NOT have info. If I don't contribute, I'm bad in some people's eyes, if I do contribute, I'm bad again. Wtf really?
Matt F, does this mean you suspect Dom, and does it mean he is your top mafia read?

Would you be able to provide any town/mafia evaluations when you return, and talk about where you think you'll be voting today?

Posts like this is what ping me in regards to MP. He mentions Dom (who is know trying to lynch) in such a way that it is almost like he is prompting Matt to say Dom is a scum read. Allowing MP to build a case against Dom based on what town players have said.

MP continues to ask people why they read Enrique as scum while barely weighing in himself about Enrique.

MovingPictures07 wrote:I don't know what to do right now. I'm not even particularly sold on Enrique or Matt F, so I'm feeling a bit nervous about the wagons that are forming.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Well, I'm sticking with my evaluation. I doubt Enrique's sincerity more than Matt F's, and I don't understand why Enrique voted off to Russ if he thinks Matt is a liar and is a civilian concerned about his own life. The tally just now is 6-3 Matt F to Enrique, so let's make it 6-4.

votes Enrique

Asks alot of questions about each of them, then ends up voting for Enrique. I'm reading this as scum trying to decided which wagon would make him look more civvie. He also voted for Enrique when Matt is winning, this lets him be on the wagon that isn't leading so he won't be responsibly for what Matt is when he flips.

Spoiler: show

MovingPictures07 wrote:
nijuukyugou wrote:I get good vibes from Zebra, despite the aggressive playstyle (which is normal for her :P ) MP, you have asked on at least two occasions about people's opinion of Zebra, and because of that, it appears as though you're pushing for something without jumping into it. Care to elaborate on your own feelings about her? (and apologies if I've missed your opinion if you've stated it)
nijuukyugou, I snipped most of your post just to refer to what is addressed to me.

This post is in regards to zebra and is suggested to be read by everyone re: their reads of zebra and game-breaking players in general.

The reasons I've asked on at least two occasions what people think of zebra all stem from the fact that zebra is the most commonly read town player in the thread at the moment. She also is the most commonly read town player with regards to players voluntarily giving an opinion of her, and that's something to be noted because she's producing content at near-JJJ like levels so far. Why? I have a few specific elaborations.

1) Beware placing too much on "Effort" = Town. Although it typically can be a huge indicator and should be considered, it isn't always a sure thing, and assuming it while dropping healthy skepticism can potentially break the game for the civilians.

If zebra lasts a significant portion of the game and continues producing content at this rate, that's amazingly awesome if she's town and I couldn't appreciate it more, but it can be game-breakingly dangerous if zebra is pulling the supatown long haul as mafia. I realize Golden, myself, Mac, and possibly others (such as Metalmarsh) can produce a similar conundrum, but zebra is unarguably out-contenting everyone so far.

I played and witnessed some games in the last block of 10 games on RYM, and with Maffies (RYM Mafia Awards) happening now, I've been informed of the games I missed. This has relevance because there are three occasions that immediately come to mind where mafia players ended winning in LYLO because they had supatowned and players stopped fully investigating and questioning their behavior: Strawhenge in RYM #81, rundontwalk in RYM #86, and Diiny in RYM #89.

Want another key example that happened in recent memory, except from The Syndicate? Golden in Economics. This will be remembered for many good reasons. By all means the civilians should have won that game due to sheer effort expended and success in lynching every mafia except one, but they didn't. G-Man got lynched in LYLO and Golden successfully ran away with the game. While JJJ and others put up a fight in terms of analyzing and interrogating behavior, Golden got away with it precisely because he played a brilliant game. The clincher is that if players, myself definitely included (I tunneled way too hard on G-Man before my death, distracting from Golden and other potential suspects), had pushed Golden more and put his behavior under the microscope, he could have been uncovered. Instead, G-Man's obvious "mafia" behavior was really a wacky civilian.

So while it's great that people are town reading her for effort, let's be a bit wary about automatically assuming she is town purely because of effort, and continue to push her to fully explain her thoughts so that we can determine whether this content is genuine. That should be the driving force behind these town reads -- genuine town effort in quality and quantity, not just quantity. So I'm trying to discern what is driving these reads.

Nonetheless, on the flipside, I cannot emphasize enough that I do not suggest scrutinizing her unfairly or by default because she is producing so much content. As we've seen in many games, players who produce more content, particularly in the first few stages of the game, can be much easier to be "pinged" by and suspected because with each bit of incremental content there is a bit more that someone can scrutinize, either consciously or subconsciously (be bothered by). Every time someone makes public an opinion, it can be potentially misinterpreted by a civilian or manipulated by the mafia, so producing opinionated content is a risky endeavor. That on its own can indicate a civilian mindset, especially since mafia have to fabricate all of the content, but it's precisely why players need to speak up when they think there is fabrication and explain why they think there is.

2) Pressing players to express opinions on one player who is producing so much content that almost automatically warrants a GTH opinion, particularly this early in the game, forces players into a situation where they have to throw out an opinion, which then serves as evidence later in the game.

Regardless of zebra's alignment, her sheer amount of effort thus far has forced players to either voluntarily or by request (typically mine so far) give an opinion on her. This is a good way to get even players who are either (1) civilians legitimately having a difficult time digesting and analyzing all of the content this early or (2) mafia cautiously attempting to withhold opinions in the first couple of game phases to express an opinion, something that can be analyzed for connections to zebra (if she is mafia), unwarranted changes in opinion, and any other matter of sincerity later in the game.

The more that player X posts (in this case, zebra), particularly if that player has produced a ridiculously high amount of content, the harder it gets for either civilian or mafia to not form an opinion on player X, whether it is sincere (the former) or nefarious (the latter).

Dom was wondering what the point of making so many GTH and endless ISOs at this early stage in the game is, with regards to zebra. If she is civilian, I'd imagine she is trying to force herself to analyze and form opinions on as much content as possible, so that she can attempt to solve the game as quickly as possible. Not only that, but producing so much content then allows her to engage others in the thread actively about all of that content. If she is mafia, then it's all about flooding the thread with misdirection and playing the supatown long haul, which is a risky game, but can be rewarding if performed incredibly well and town stops questioning (see examples above).

3) I am personally having trouble discerning zebra's true intentions, and I want the feedback from others to help me.

By asking people what their GTH is of a certain post or player, I'm trying to get people to actively think about what's going on in the thread as much as possible (refer to 2), but it is as much that as I am trying to get feedback. If there's something I've noticed over the years, it's that I perform much better by feeding off of others. Unfortunately, that means I've had many terrible civilian games. This past year, I've consistently noticed that I performed better as a civilian when engaged in the thread by players who employ these kinds of methods (JaggedJimmyJay, Sloonei, and from our own camp, FZ., Golden, etc.), and in witnessing those players I've also realized that they employ a style I've always tried to attain as a civilian but never could quite hold on to (usually I end up tunneling or I get lynched or for whatever reason I go off the deep end). Consequently, I'm trying to revamp my approach this game employing those methods to see how I fair with it.

4) Civilians need to work together as much as they can, nonetheless with the understanding that this game is all about deception.

Lastly, (and I'll keep this one brief) I've noticed that civilians lose too many games here because they fail to attempt to engage each other in the thread, instead defaulting to the "I'm all alone, trust no one, hold onto my thoughts and content because no one else deserves to see them". I don't want that to happen here, so I'm actively trying to prevent it.

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Yikes, I had no intention of making a post that long, but it is what it is. I would say "I hope that answers your question", but I'm certain it did. :P If somehow it didn't, let me know, and I can clarify on any of these points (or anything missing).

You can find my GTH read on zebra here on my revised Day 1 rainbow list. I have her as a slight town read.

You mentioned I could be perceived as pushing something. However, that would be in direct conflict with the slight town read I have for zebra on my rainbow list (as well as other mentions I've had of her), so not only would it be a terrible mafia strategy but it's a very manipulative one that could be uncovered very quickly (since you made the suggestion yourself already).

I don't feel I have the time or the need to update my rainbow list, so consider my opinion of zebra unchanged. Matt F's SK flip doesn't affect my reads of players substantively since he was on his own, and for analyzing voting records his flip can be assumed to be civilian-like (mafia from both times still could have bandwagoned onto him or attempted to save a teammate, not knowing he would flip SK).

Alright, well, see you folks at some point in Day 2. I've burned way too much time!

This is another post that seems like something a civvie would do, but comes across as disingenuous to me.

So like I said at the top I'm not spending my time requoting everything I quoted. I'll do a summery and then keepgoing normally.
MP reacted very strongly when Enrique said he and Russ had BTSC, I find this very strange. He also starts trying to get Enrique lynched and puts much more effort into it.

His post about Low poster not posting reads as twothings to me
1. Anger his team is MIA
2. Or and attempt to distance himself from his team of MIA people, he will then be seen astaking a hard stance on them and therefor less likely to be a teammate.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
sig wrote:I laid it all out with different theories earlier this phase I think.
If any could submit it a kill it is less likely to be sure, but getting blocked/protected is also a low possibility. I also find it strange nobody was silenced until you. Which could suggest at the very least the silencer was inactive. Or I could be wrong and they could have purposely not done anything to confuse us.

linki: Just the way it is written reminds me of civ Glorfindel, though I did have a bad gut feeling about him earlier. I would prefer someone else lynched tomorrow, but wouldn't oppose a Glorfindel lynch to much.
Yeah, I remember that post. Your theories make sense, but I think it's tough to figure it out beyond any sort of speculation.

Earlier this game you disagreed with my theories, but knowthey make sense that is strange.

SO overall MP has posted alot of questions, but very few reads of his own. He contributes, but hasn't done any real scum hunting, this is a major mafia ping to me. I also believe his posts come across as very disingenuous. I don't believe he is a Hutt but I think he is a member of team Empire. I also find the fact that someone is trying to force votes to MP to be telling. I believe that whoever did this did it in an attempt to catch a member of team Empire. This is actually the same sort of ability that was used on me in Dune, I had the trust ofquite a few people and was only lynched because people were forced to vote for me.
I find his reaction to Enrique after Enrique accuses him of being in BTSC with Russ to be over the top. I think no I'm certain MP is mafia. I encourage everyone to read over his posts and see what they think, but imo it is rather clear he is mafia. I will be placing my vote on him know, and will return later tonight to talk more.

This was not my best ISO mainly since I lost a huge portion of it and can't rewrite it as I have to go.

Golden wrote:I agree with that, zebra. I think it likely roxy's read on MP came from tracking.

I just mean tracking is not foolproof in that someone else can target the same person at the same time. It's just one piece of a puzzle.

True it isn't fool proof, but I've had some suspicion of MP for awhile it like the beginning of my Enrique suspicion is a gut read. Know for people reading me as town. I don't like it, I said earlier I think someone reading me as town is scum, I just wasn't sure who.
The more I think about my interactions with MP the more likely it is that he is scum, also I believe if he is mafia then Dom isn't. Or at least he isn't on the same team. One post from Dom really caught my eye, I believe Dom much like my belief for golden aren't part of the rebel alliance, yet I don't think either are mafia.

I'm curious though Golden were you offered credits and can you choose not to vote for MP? Since if so you might not be the only one. I'll need to think about this MP forced votes, if it is true I don't think it indicates alignment, as a player tried to force Mac to vote for Roxy. Roxy was read as mafia by a few people so this could be a civ power, independent power, or possibly a Hutt power. I'll keep the forced vote in mind when I ISO MP. WHich will be done later today.

linki: I suspect Bass 2.0 since I still believe people who were replaced out could be scum. So this lists include Matt, Bass, Llama, Space, and Bulls. Obviously not all are scum but I'm thinking we have at least one scum within this bunch.

I was against lynching Golden/Mac yesterday, but I don't find the fact that Dom voted for Mac to be that pingy. It is worth keeping an eye on Dom, but I won't be lynching him. I've been thinking ofa few different theories, and I don't think the entire mafia team was inactive, I believe they wanted us to think they were, but actually they were blocked night 1, this means at some point the blocker was killed, by I suspect the Empire. So I still think we have one or two inactive mafia members for team Empire, but I also think we have an active member.

I've got some slightly negative pings from MP right know, so I'll ISO him later today and see what I see. Something that I find quite pingy is that he is asking lots of questions, yet not really providing reads. This makes him an active player, but he himself really doesn't have to make reads. Also out of the players who did the GTH all said I was civ, I believe one of the four to do this is mafia. Know the four were if I'm not mistaken
Mac
Zebra
MP
Roxy (she did it slightly?)

Roxy is civ, and I trust Mac. That leaves Zebra and MP out of those two I feel worse about MP. I also find it interesting Roxy our tracker had MP down as scum. Notice roxy also said if you want to get a baddie vote for me. I don't think she said this to get lynched, I think she was being honest. We know she was the tracker so that means, she tracked someone and found out they were bad. I think she tracked MP and saw him targeting someone. This would explain her sudden scum read on MP. I think if MP is bad he is a member of the Empire, he is fostering the idea that the Empire team is inactive, yet hasn't really helped scum hunt for the mafia team. I would also remind everyone that it is possibly for Space and MPto be on the same team.

For MP being silenced, I believe either his own team silenced him or another secret role that isn't mafia silenced him since they thought he was mafia.

I'd like more opinions on this though before I cast my vote.

Also what does everyone think about no NK?

Wilgy we should go gambling together sometime

I was going to make a joke about Epi/Elo, but my mind drew a blank.

linki was at Elohcin

Stupid hipsters they ruin everything. Mafia, Philadelphia, clothes, etc. I call for us to unite scum and civ and Tuskin Raiders to hunt the hipsters! SPeaking of hipsters you know who are kinda like hipsters Jawas! Hence I think we should just hunt the jawa team thoughts?

Yes if you can't tell I'm quite bored, no Fallout 4 tonight and Gotham is over. Not sure to put this in OT or sarc so I went with OT

linki: If Roxy does flip scum who doyou think are her teammates?

nijuukyugou wrote:I planned to allot more time today to catch up and whatnot (I finally started feeling better yesterday, woo hoo!), but I've only just returned from shopping today and...there are literally at least 20 pages for me to read since last I read So...I'm going to read/skim what I can and be back with a vote. My apologies for being so MIA this past week; I'll try to do better now that I'm truly in recovery mode.

When you get the chance I'd like to hear your thoughts on MP, Space, and Dom please.

DharmaHelper wrote:

Ik no player is laughing at any of my jokes, they should all be mod killed for that tbh, just leave me alive okay? Then I can get a pretty banner.

Also we are still on Cloud City so

PULL

MacDougall wrote: Eat a dick.

I'm not sure if Dom swings that way

What I don't understadn though is both Mac and Golden made a huge fuss how players should vote for one of them then they think that when someone does vote for one of them they are scum>

I'm saying this today we can't have another day phase of golden/mac it has slowed down some since the start, but if it continues then we are providing perfect cover for the scum to not post. I think we will find a scum or two voting for Roxy regardless of how she flips.

I'll read over Dom and see what I see.
@Dom why do you think MP is scum, also why did you vote for Mac?

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