The Syndicate

It's gods way of telling me to only play one game at a time.

I thought she wasn't a good lynch choice, but I changed my mind to being fine with her lynch.
Mainly this post.

a2thezebra wrote:I did not believe Simon and sig were teammates. However, I was leaning towards it I admit, and I needed a way to be sure. I sensed ulterior motives from a number of players including Simon and sig themselves, so I pulled some WIFOM out of my butt to gauge reactions. At the time I disagreed with either one of them being lynched, there really wasn't any information or connections that could be analyzed from their flip, whatever that may be. Not enough anyway. Now, there is tons of content related directly to the different interpretations of what's really going on, so a lynching of either of them (especially sig) will prove massively helpful. I am still not sure if they are teammates or not, but I think a sig lynch will be beneficial because for one, I think he is bad regardless of whether Simon slipped or not, if he is teammates then we've got two of the bosses with plenty of time left to get the third, and if he is good we can look at the Epi/Simon theory that has been proposed (and denied by Epi because he wouldn't bus his own son? Nonsense, of course he would) and see if it has any merit. A sig lynch will immensely beneficial, in stark contrast to both an Enrique lynch and a me lynch.

I left "too early" ambiguous on purpose.

linki - My death might be informative as well.

But also her general interaction regarding Epi. She disagreed with him about Simon/Sig team, but thought I was bad and in the above post quoted said it could have been true. It seemed to be like she was setting up other people for a lynch after me. Or if Simon was civ she would have lynched me, then lynched Simon. She would have then said no point in lynching Epi since I'm wrong. If they were teammates.

linki:

Psh Simon voted for me, kids these days no respect for their elders.

oh no I'm starting to sound like the old farts who actually know what Pikmin is

:P

Simon lets have fun, vote for Scotty with me and make it a three way tie. I'll address some things in a moment. First off did I say I would vote for Scotty/DDL? No what I said was out of these two and Epi one is mafia. I was willing to go with the thought EPi wasn't mafia, however I'm more confident that this isn't the case. I've also considered that Simon is civ I've said he could be a civ and Epi is bussing him, however it makes more sense for them both to be mafia.

Typhoony wrote:So what you are saying is that you intentionally tried to dig your own grave to see who would bite?

Can you point out in your posts where you tried digging your own grave, ie what part of your posts would have been different if you did not have this plan?

If I was scum, I wouldn't have gone after Epi. I'm not the most aggressive scum player,and I certainly wouldn't have targeted a high profile civ who could rip to shreds an argument against him. The digging of my own grave was targeting Epi and pursuing him, as well as the way I answered his accusation that Simonand I are teammates.

Epignosis wrote:sig's immediate reaction to me linking him and Simon together was to call me bad and say that I'm trying to set him up.

But why doesn't sig make the same allowance for Simon?

Doesn't happen. sig instead jumps to the idea that I'm on the same team as Simon, and that I'm throwing Simon under the bus.

sig wrote:Your trying to play the emotional card here. My point still stands your not really pushing for your own kids lynch, you're pushing for my lynch with the theory Sig/Simon are scum. I flip civ then Simon will look cleaner.

Also right back at ya about being confident people are baddie,you somehow nailed 2/3 of the scum team.

Linki: TAaaaaa Da I said this at the beginning of the phase, Epi would end this phase lynching me based on a weak reasoning or my reaction post, his lynch of Simon was a smokescreen vote.
At 8:35pm EST-

sig wrote:Epi is scum, lynching Zebra is a waste of time.
At 8:51pm EST-

sig wrote:It makes no sense what so ever for me as scum to target a player like Epignosis day 1.

Enrique I'm looking at my past meta and how scum react to my game play and how civs react to my gameplay. Epignosis is not reacting the same way as he usually does to my gameplay as he does when he is civ and people throw out such accusations against me.

My bet is Zebra and Epi could be on team team, if not both then one of them. I will also be keeping my eye on DDL.

Zebra's logic for voting for me is illogical she doesn't agree with EPi, yet she thinks I'm on a teamwith Simon and we are both scum and that I would make such a mistake.
My day 1 scum team
Simon
Epi
Zebra
At 9:10pm EST-

sig wrote:I'd rather lynch Epi today, but a Zebra lynch is good to. If she flips mafia or civ my opinion of Epi won't have changed that much.

linki: why Enrique?
At no point does sig entertain the idea that I could be bad and that I'm setting up two civilians. His theory is that I'm bad with Simon and we are setting up one civilian. Keep in mind in all of this, sig's first on-topic post was to say he would not vote for Simon. By the end of the day, he has zebra, Simon, and me on a team. Why would a civilian jump to that conclusion rather than give Simon the benefit of the doubt if he genuinely thought I was Mafia?

You are wrong here, never did I say you were throwing Simon under the bus. Your goal was to distance yourself from Simon and semi clear him. Never were you actually attempting to lynch him, I've said this many times and looking over your posts it is fairly obvious you had no intention of getting Simon lynched.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:I'm starting to feel tempted to grab Occam's Razor and use it to stab Sig's throat. Indeed, there are A LOT of contradictions in his posts. He changes his votes every time his reads seem artificial. If he is mafia, that's pretty sloppy mafia play, but hey, most games have one of those.

That, and I don't feel particulary good about this Simon vote, although I have logic supporting it.

WHat is Occam's razor?

This is a lie, I've never changed my vote. I voted for Epi, said I would vote for Epi, and never switched from Epi.
He on the other hand has switched his vote multiply times, he has gone from thinking Zebra was a good lynch, to saying she was bad. As well as saying he wasn't pushing for my lynch, and then tried to get me lynched and dropped Simon.

Boomslang wrote:@MM: Some good points. The distancing Epi performs after the lynch result is pretty astounding, especially given his vote changes, especially especially given that he did that vote change out of necessity.

However, I'm curious what you think about the timing of the sig-Epi interactions. Especially the leap sig makes from "lynching Zebra is a waster of time" to "a Zebra lynch is good too" in the span of roughly 30 minutes.

Some of Zebra's posts changed my mind. Her posts about lynching me for flip value, then lynched SImon then lynching Epi seemed scummy. So yes I did change mymind about her.

I think Glorfindel is scum, his posts are off, his defense and his argument against me is based around Zebra being dead and flipping civ.

Glorfindel wrote:
kneel4justice wrote:Okay. I'm in two mindsets about Sig currently. If you were to have asked me after zebra's lynch what I thought about him, I would have definitely thought he was suspicious. Specifically the way he moved on so quickly to entertaining the idea of an Epi/Enrique partnership. When he suspected Enrique, it came immediately after I had just suspected him for taunting zebra (which I now would take back after he clarified what he meant by his post). But I was definitely pinged by that. So I started thinking in hindsight that maybe I was wrong not to suspect him...
But the problem is, I don't really like this whole Simon/Sig theory. Unfortunately it is difficult to judge Simon's statements about being on the same time (going from I think so, to no). But the fact that some suspicion started for something as simple as Sig saying that he wouldn't vote for Simon due to him laughing at a joke...that is ridiculous to me. Which seems to be part of the whole teammate theory. Like, those types of things are common on this site, plus - I can definitely see Sig just being nice to Simon, making him feel welcome in the game. So I feel like people who are using that (like Scotty had - are making something of nothing.

But I don't agree with the Epi suspicion. I am surprised that so many people are suspicious lol. Last game I played no one dared suspect him (admittedly, I was wrong about him being bad but still). I just see what Epi has done as a personality factor. Not something that is going to determine his alignment. As far as I am concerned, he's done similar tactics as civilian, and is probably more than capable of doing the same thing when bad. So really I need more time, I don't think his actions favor an alignment. But then again, I doubt he would gun for his own son as mafia.....like I think FZ was trying to say..then again, he's Epi. He strikes me as the type to want to show his dominance lol
So what you're telling me is - you believe Sig's theory about an elaborate plot hatched (by Epi and conceivably Simon) for the sole purpose of eliminating him from the game? I've played enough games with Sig to appreciate that he is as cunning and conniving to be capable of doing anything to win but this conspiracy theory of his seems utterly fanciful to me. I also don't like that he spent a large portion of the first Day phase publicly sniping at Zebs in a way that seemed to me to be advocating her lynching 'from a distance'.

You're just mad I tricked you in Wild West game, ifyou aren't mad about it your carrying your suspicion to a paranoia level of fear. If anything is an indicator of my alignment it is the fact in WW I wasn't suspected by anyone, I slipped under the radar. Unlike this game I'm right in the middle of it.
As I said I think Epi is scum however, it could be he isn't. If he isn't then DDL or Scotty are scum. One of those three are scum imo.
I'm reading Sorsha as a civ.
Glorfindel idk about him, he is saying I have established scum meta that I really don't have.
Kneel is a civ read for me.
Wilgy is null I'll need to look over his posts.

FZ my plan was taking advantage of my own civ weakness, I know I can dig my own grave. I also know smarter mafia players will push for my lynch. I have some meta on who defended me in past games when others accused me.

It isn't fool proof, but I think it is a could chance to catch a baddie. IF those who have played with Epi more think day 1 was within his civ meta then I will cool on pursing him and search for another target.

@Glorfidnel Zebra was lynched she wasn't damn transparent as town until we saw what she flipped as. This has no bases in our current discussion.

Here is the thing about my Epi theory, he started to lay the groundwork, however he might not have pushed it so much if I hadn't have accused him of being a scum. If he is mafia and since I voted for him and tried to get others to vote for him it shows that I'm a threat. Killing me won't work as well, but getting me lynched would be fine.

I also think the Epi/Simon team is a likely possibility if I flip civ, Simon will look much cleaner. Even if Simon is lynched later in the game Epi bussed him just enough to not be suspicious when Simon flips scum.

Recall Glorfindel in Teen Wolf III Jason did the same thing to me starting early in the game, yet nobody believed me when I said he was scum and I was right.

I would say my response posts to Epi's teammate theory as well as the fact I pursued an Epi lynch. I would say my interaction with some players have caught out some baddies. If I'm right and I'm like 94.55 % that I am right then I've helped to catch Epi and maybe Simon.

Scotty wrote:
Dragon D. Luffy wrote:I believe Epi could bus Simon so early because has has bussed me that early in another game.

Not that I buy that theory yet, but we should keep it on the table.
Keeping it in mind, but the difference here is that it's his own son. Are you also Epi's son?

This is the ultimate WIFOM defense that Epi could use if his son was on a team with him. Which is what I think is happening whether if done by Epi or other players.

Spacedaisy wrote:
Matt wrote:Don't worry Zeebs, you will be avenged with Glorfindel's death and Spacedaisy's ensuing tears.

I would lean sig bad right now.

I'm telling on you to Glorfindel, Daisy.

Glorfindelllllll yell at Daisy and Epi in your BTSC for me okay?

:P

Daisy why are you leaning bad on me?

Okay a few things, I'm playing much more like I would on other sites this game. We can win as a team so I painted a target on myself to try and help catch scum. I think it worked in getting Epi, but we will see if that is true.

Epignosis wrote:
sig wrote:Kneel I'm more confident in my Epi read then my Zebra read.
Explain to me how that works.

I had the brief thought Zebra was going to try to get me to resign, then go after Simon then you. However he flipped clean so that isn't the case. It also renewed my belief you are scum.

Epignosis wrote:Weakest Day 1 I've ever seen. Get your heads out of your underwear.

Since we didn't agree with you it must've been a weak day.

Scotty wrote:OK. I've sobered up. Couple thoughts.

1) Don't mix Soco and Vodka. Also, the only right way to ingest gin is with the help of a turkey baster.
2) My list to look at from last night still stands: Epi, Simon and sig. I'm still trying to come to terms with zebra going down and why people voted for her. Rest her soul.

Epi is an interesting study- and studying was always hard for me in school. I'd get distracted and redirect my focus onto funny dog videos.
I'm goin to be reading into things too much in this game, I can tell. Nothing new there.

When Epi voted Simon, he inadvertently linked him to sig.
He keeps it on Simon, and is the only one to vote Simon, but is confident that Simon will not be lynched Day 1, and doesn't want to be the "cheese" standing alone.

Then there's this little tidbit, which I thought notable but no one seemed to talk about:
Epignosis wrote:Before the game began, I explained to him that he is not allowed to talk to me about this game at all. He has his own device now for posting and voting, and even any technical help he requires must be obtained from his mother. The only thing I know that you don't is that yesterday he was giggling like a little school girl.
So it would appear that Epi saw something fishy from the get-go and chose to share it with us. This could be baseless, and I suppose is hardly evidence, but we don't know everything he knows in regards to what happens outside of the forum. We also don't know if Epi is just putting this out there for people like me to bug out on. Either way, it adds to the fire.

Epi really hits home that he wants us to LYNCH HIS CHILD after Simon votes for DrWilgy for voting sig. I mean, if you're going to distance yourself as mafia, and Simon were mafia, this is not how you do it. But as Epi said, Simon has never been mafia before.

But since no one chose to follow the writing on the wall, Epi votes for zebra for proffering a theory that Epi is bussing Simon. It does seem far fetched that if they were both mafia, Epi would come out guns a-blazin against Simon on his [first?] mafia game.

If Epi and Simon are both baddies, I'ma be flabbergasted, but I'm inclined to think that of the people that voted for Zebra, Epi has enough clout and consistency so far to look good to me.

I wouldn't be flabbergasted if they both were scum. In fact I think it is a possibility. True Epi tunneled on Simon, but he didn't push anyone to vote for SImon and in fact admitted Simon wouldn't be lynched. He then switched to Zebra a leading wagon, and finally ended his vote on me. Keep in mind I said from the time Epi "connected" me with Simon he was trying to get me lynched not Simon, I would say I was proven right in this aspect. For three reasons.
1. He pushed for my lynch for the second half of day 1 after saying he wasn't pushing for my lynch.
2. He ended with his vote on me.
3. He attempted to get people to lynch me, yet never did the same for Simon.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Reading the end of the phase, Sig is tunneling so hard on Epi I'm not sure whether I call him mafia for that or if I deduce he is playing in a way too risky to be mafia.

Does Sig always tunnel opn people like that?

I would say it really depends, if I'm almost certain someone is scum I'll weight the risks of pursuing them (like MP in Star Wars) however, usually I don't tunnel this hard on players since I'm rarely certain someone is scum.

I'd vote for Sig if Simon told me to..........oh wait nevermind I wouldn't.

Spoiler: show

I find Enrique taunting of Zebra to be scummy, know that I see how Zebra flipped. I recall being pinged by something else as well.

Kneel I'm more confident in my Epi read then my Zebra read.

So guess Zebra wasn't scum.

I could buy a Enrique/Epi team.

I'd rather lynch Epi today, but a Zebra lynch is good to. If she flips mafia or civ my opinion of Epi won't have changed that much.

linki: why Enrique?

Know Zebra is using the classic scum argument for a lynch.
"Even if Sig isn't scum his lynch will be great for flip value" So when I flip civ Zebra can say it doesn't matter since I provided good info.

Two first that I would make such a post directed at Simon to begin with, drawing attention to myself and a possibly teammate.
Second that I would try to get Epi lynched .

It makes no sense what so ever for me as scum to target a player like Epignosis day 1.

Enrique I'm looking at my past meta and how scum react to my game play and how civs react to my gameplay. Epignosis is not reacting the same way as he usually does to my gameplay as he does when he is civ and people throw out such accusations against me.

My bet is Zebra and Epi could be on team team, if not both then one of them. I will also be keeping my eye on DDL.

Zebra's logic for voting for me is illogical she doesn't agree with EPi, yet she thinks I'm on a teamwith Simon and we are both scum and that I would make such a mistake.
My day 1 scum team
Simon
Epi
Zebra

Your trying to play the emotional card here. My point still stands your not really pushing for your own kids lynch, you're pushing for my lynch with the theory Sig/Simon are scum. I flip civ then Simon will look cleaner.

Also right back at ya about being confident people are baddie,you somehow nailed 2/3 of the scum team.

Linki: TAaaaaa Da I said this at the beginning of the phase, Epi would end this phase lynching me based on a weak reasoning or my reaction post, his lynch of Simon was a smokescreen vote.

Epignosis wrote:
sig wrote:You did vote for Simon, but you've already said you will change your vote. Also since you think we are teammates it is logical that you would switch to me. The fact you voted for Simon instead of me changes nothing about my theory. You're still laid the groundwork for my lynch and I wouldn't be surprised if by the end of the day. It is fairly obvious you laid this groundwork since both Scotty and DDL voted for me based around my reaction to your post.
You're trying to blame me for your lynch when I haven't even voted for you yet.

Riiiiiiiiiiiight.

Nice try.

Lol once again I'll point out the foolishness of these types of posts, Epi has said this multiply time and that is the only comeback he has when I say he is laying the groundwork for my lynch.
IN SAYING WE ARE TEAMMATE HE IS TRYING TO GET ME LYNCHED. Nobody is going to vote for SImon day 1 Epi acknowledged this, the only sensibly action following Epi's Sig/Simon idea is to lynch me and see how I flip. My flip will decided Simon's team.

Sorsha wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Sorsha wrote:I still think epi was trying to get sig into over defensive mode, knowing how sig reacts to suspicion on him. This is from someone who said in A World Apart that if anyone can dig his own grave, sig can dig two.

I might change my vote to someone else, zebra and Scotty both jumped on Epi's sig suspicion quickly and then changed votes when it got some push back. I might vote for one of them.

And Epi- No, I don't know if sig is civ... or Simon either. This is based purely on you making an accusation based on sig saying he wouldn't vote for Simon because Simon laughed at something sig said. Really? That makes them teammates? And then saying his reaction was over defensive. I didn't think it was overly defensive at all.
You...bewilder me with your conclusions.

If sig can dig his own grave, I don't need to do anything.
Except throw out a lame accusation and let him get to work

Posts like this are a major ping he is coming off as very coy and dodging questions. He is also refusing to recognize that I do dig my own grave with mafia prodding something that he has in multiply games defended me against. Even in past day 1s Epi has defended me, he is using the tactic other scum have used in the past to get me lynched, while as a civ he defended me from players trying to lynch me based around the same reasons for why he thinks I'm scum this game.
This is why I say he is disingenuous.

I assume this is Simon's defense of me?

Simon wrote:
Epignosis wrote:HEY SIMON

Are you on sig's team?
I think so :shrug

as well as him saying he will vote for Wilgy if Wilgy votes for me. Again if he was in BTSC with me and one other I would make much better use of Simon and not create such an obvious link.

Epignosis wrote:
Simon wrote:If Dr.wilgy is voting for SIG, then I'all vote for him.
Who is the antecedent to the pronoun? Clearly it is DrWilgy, since you just voted for Wilgy.

And you "think" you and sig are on a team.

I don't see how this isn't open and shut for Day 1.

Epi is apparently not trying to lynch me, yet says my lynch is open and shut for day 1. Nice contradiction here.

Epignosis wrote:Simon has never been bad before. sig defended Simon. Simon votes DrWilgy because DrWilgy voted for sig.

Yet zebra and Enrique are going to make this "The Zebra and Enrique Show?"

Um no?

Another push to get me lynched.

DrWilgy wrote:Hold on... Here's the part that doesn't make sense, if Simon is really bad, wouldn't his team tell him to stop defending as hard? or at least provide some coaching given his dire situation? With what Simon has stated, I don't believe that he and Sig are on the same team if he's bad.

Unless, he is working with his team on a huge day 1 set up. Someone tells Simon to defend Sig hard, teammate "catches" Simon, and then the ultimate bus is formed, one that would draw players into the chaos and ultimately lead to several civilian deaths.

When Epi flips mafia, there is a very strong chance Simon is mafia as well. This is an early attempt by Epi to do two things.

Distance himself from Simon
and set me up for a lynch so when I flip civ he can clear Simon.

a2thezebra wrote:The implication I get from this is that sig is not one of the team in this scenario, because sig did nothing but over-defend (as I now am willing to acknowledge) as he tends to do. It is more likely that Epi and Simon are on a team to perform the ultimate bus on Simon first (which explains why Epi voted Simon instead of sig based on a connection when Simon hadn't even posted yet) then sig who flips civ, then town is left with nothing to go on to far into the game to recover, while Epi and the third baddie (who I suspect to be Enrique, although it is not essential to this theory at all) coast to the endgame.

Agree with this.

Epi went from saying he wasn't trying to get me lynched to pushing for my lynch. He himself hasn't voted for me, but is setting me up for a lynch. Epi also knows my meta as a civ and I would say he has a good idea of my meta as a baddie since he has hosted me. This brings up two points.
1. In my Dune game when I was scum I successfully distanced myself from my teammates, as well as talked my way out of a lynch, made the real connection between me and MM look fake, and almost talked my way out of another. I made no connections with my teammates, and if I did defend them it certainly wasn't obvious. In fact Epi's whole set up that I'm mafia comes from the fact I said I wouldn't lynch Simon day 1 since he laughed at my joke.

My second point, civ Epi has in multiply games defended me from such accusations as the ones he is know imploring, if he isn't using them he created the situation that allowed other players to say these things and vote for me with little prodding from him. Which he is doing know.

Epi is scum, lynching Zebra is a waste of time.

linki: Yes I'm talking about Epignosis

Enrique wrote:
sig wrote:Okay so just got back, I've got no clue what is going on, but why are we lynching Zebra? Though I see no one is voting for me.
Should we be?

Since I practically handed you a scum on a silver platter no you shouldn't vote for me.

a2thezebra wrote:The implication I get from this is that sig is not one of the team in this scenario, because sig did nothing but over-defend (as I now am willing to acknowledge) as he tends to do. It is more likely that Epi and Simon are on a team to perform the ultimate bus on Simon first (which explains why Epi voted Simon instead of sig based on a connection when Simon hadn't even posted yet) then sig who flips civ, then town is left with nothing to go on to far into the game to recover, while Epi and the third baddie (who I suspect to be Enrique, although it is not essential to this theory at all) coast to the endgame.

Reading catch up and will respond to a few but this is my thought process right know. Epi wagons onto Simon, simon won't get lynched, I get lynched flip civ and Simon is then semi cleared by Epi since his Sig/Simon theory would be wrong.

EPi is so obviously scum this game, his posts are disingenuous and completely unlike the civ Epi I've played with before.

linki: As I said I just got back I see Zebra has five votes and is making a huge block post about civs almost never winning, it is reasonably to say Zebra is getting lycnhed when she is in the lead.

I'm catching up, his defense of me isn't pingy and I'll go over it more in another post however, I will say this I'm insulted if you think I'd link myself to a baddie teammate when one of my best skills as a scum is not creating any links. I'm not some first time scum here I've got between 4-6 games as mafia and even in my first game as mafia (BoB) I didn't make connections between teammates.

Okay so just got back, I've got no clue what is going on, but why are we lynching Zebra? Though I see no one is voting for me.

Why are there two votes on Enrique?

Hello just got home from my Scout brunch, and won't be on much I've had a family emergency so I'll have to be off soon I think. However, I should be back on before the deadline.

Glorfindel wrote:
I know Sig has become a formidable Mafia member (in comparison to his Town performances) and I don't know - I see signs of him putting in a genuine effort like he does when he's Mafia but some of his remarks appear to be a little clumsy so the jury is out on him.

Thank you, however I disagree with this. I put just as much effort into a game as town as I do as scum. SO to say me putting in genuine effort is a sign of me being mafia is simply not true.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:I think people are overreacting on Epi.

His way of playing reminds me a lot of how he played in Economics, where he was civ. There, he was just making random accusations and bickering about pointless things to make people mad... and that was actually an attempt at gathering reactions. It doesn't look that different here. I doubt anyone would vote on Simon or Sig based on his initial post, but it's their (or someone else's) possible reactions to that that might seal the deal.

I don't like how Sig reacted though. Felt way too overdefensive for my tastes, specially how he quickly turned this into a "NO U" argument and started accusing Epi of setting him up. But Sig seems to be doing the very thing he is accusing Epi of:

Sig wrote:it also appears that you're attempting to lay the groundwork for my lynch, yet you haven't joined it, instead you allow other players to start voting and form the wagon against me, which will make those players look more suspicious, when I flip and allow you to slid under the radar.
Because as soon as someone else (Sorsha) decides to vote for Epi, he "agrees" with her and jumps on the bandwagon.

I don't like this.

Votes Sig.

Didn't I say in my post someone would use this as a reason for voting for me? DDL claims I'm being to over defensive in my posts and bam votes for me. I also see no issue with me agreeing with Sorsha, I had already said prior to Sorsha's post that I thought he was mafia. I find this to be a very weak reason to vote for me.

FZ. wrote:
Sorsha wrote:I feel like Epignosis is trying to set sig up for lynch because he knows how bad sig can make himself look. Anyone who played Dune or A World Apart knows how easily sig can get caught up defending and make everything worse for himself.

Voting Epi
I disagree. The way I read it, I felt like it started out as testing the water, and blew up beyond proportion. Epi dissecting Sig's post felt like Epi in the last game we played. I don't see either Sig nor Epi as bad now, but I am looking at those who were trying to make something more of it, like zebra saying Sig's reaction to Epi made her suspicious of him. What was there about Sig's reaction that felt so suspicious?

Then, I'm wondering why Epi is going the Simon rout. Is that genuine or a joke? I can see a scenario where Simon is acting in a suspicious way at home (like trying to avoid talking to Epi or something), and Epi smelling something funny and trying to dig further. But I'll just wait and see how this develops. I don't see anything more we can do with it now.
Epi, what makes you think Simon might be bad?

There's also Glorfindel, who is aiming to please and very polite. Never played with him/her, but I'm wondering if this is genuine or a little over the top.

Okay, back to catching up

Epi could just be testing the water, however I have a scum lean on him.
Glorfindel is always this polite so it isn't some form of buddying.

Epignosis wrote:
Sorsha wrote:I feel like Epignosis is trying to set sig up for lynch because he knows how bad sig can make himself look. Anyone who played Dune or A World Apart knows how easily sig can get caught up defending and make everything worse for himself.

Voting Epi

But I voted for Simon. This suggests that you know either Simon is Mafia or that sig is good- else how can I set up sig?

Sorsha wrote:Ah yes, you were scum in Dune, I forgot. I just remembered you being in a similar situation in both games at the same. Maybe epi thinks that since he hosted you during one of those scenarios that he can read your reactions better? I still think it's an easy set upihim makes me suspicious of him.

Why are you giving sig a free pass for anything he says or does?

kneel4justice wrote:Does Sorsha usually vote/accuse so early on in these games? I cannot recall. For some reason, I thought she sat back more (maybe I did not pay as much attention to her as others who were typically more vocal in the games I've played grabbed my attention more) - but from the last game I played, I know not to trust my faulty metas...so some input from people who have experience with her would be nice.
The last time Sorsha voted for me Day 1, I was a civilian, and so was she. For the first time ever, I got lynched Day 1. If you read her reasoning then, you will see that it was lighthearted. Contrast that with here, in which Sorsha suggests that she has an idea of what I'm about (she doesn't ).

FZ. wrote:Then, I'm wondering why Epi is going the Simon rout. Is that genuine or a joke? I can see a scenario where Simon is acting in a suspicious way at home (like trying to avoid talking to Epi or something), and Epi smelling something funny and trying to dig further. But I'll just wait and see how this develops. I don't see anything more we can do with it now.
Epi, what makes you think Simon might be bad?
Before the game began, I explained to him that he is not allowed to talk to me about this game at all. He has his own device now for posting and voting, and even any technical help he requires must be obtained from his mother. The only thing I know that you don't is that yesterday he was giggling like a little school girl.

So nothing that you suggest.

However, consider: Even if Simon is mafia, is there any chance of him getting lynched Day 1? Of course there isn't. If I left my vote on Simon, then my vote would be like the cheese- standing alone. So what should I do? I have no choice but to take what the thread gives me. Notice how Sorsha above didn't even mention my vote for Simon, yet somehow I'm executing a master plan of setting up sig for Day 1. I don't understand how I can set sig up by voting Simon. She also provides sig a free out regardless of what sig says or does: "You know how bad sig can make himself look, so he's the easy vote."

Scotty wrote:Epi, you still gunning for your son?
Sure, but see above.

You did vote for Simon, but you've already said you will change your vote. Also since you think we are teammates it is logical that you would switch to me. The fact you voted for Simon instead of me changes nothing about my theory. You're still laid the groundwork for my lynch and I wouldn't be surprised if by the end of the day. It is fairly obvious you laid this groundwork since both Scotty and DDL voted for me based around my reaction to your post.

kneel4justice wrote:
sig wrote:
Simon wrote:
sig wrote:I'll go with Winged since he is lonely with no votes.

I think I'm one of those young whipper snappers Epi is talking about. So I'll leave you old farts alone when you nostalgically talk about your gamecube, Zelda, color TV, and the creation of the wheel. :P
Old fart still can't stop laughing.
I'm not voting Simon since he laughed at my joke and I'm cool that way.

There seems to be a few people I haven't played with so looking forward to playing with you all.
Also glad to play with you again Glorfindel.

Voting kneel4justice

Okay, I'm not sure that much of this interaction is actually based on real opinions as opposed to throwing things out to see what becomes of it, but at least things are happening.
As for what seems noteworthy...Sig's responses seem to be the most serious material so far. Sig, when you say that you think Epi is laying the groundwork for your lynch, does that mean you think he is suspicious?
Also Glorfindel's posts, I am not quite sure what to make of them..I am thinking that he just is not used to this environment, and is thrown off by the votes - but at least, my understanding of them is that they aren't that serious. Or if they are, they are not because of any spelling errors.

BTW - is there a gender guide somewhere, MP?

My vote for you was just a throw away to see how you reacted. However, I am suspicious of Epi yes.

Sorsha actually gave the reasoning for why I find Epi to be suspicious as well as why I was responding the way I did to him.

Though I'm surprised Sorsha is using Dune as an example seeing how I was scum in that game, she is correct for World Reborn, but more importantly would be Long Con's strategy in TH mafia. He attempted to get me lynched day 1 since I was an easy target. Since he did this I was able to figure out he was mafia.

While this doesn't always work as a way to identify scum, it has in the past worked more often then it has failed.

While this game it isn't a certain word like in TH mafia and World Reborn. However, what I see is Epi laying the groundwork for my lynchs based around the same sort of principle. Instead of a single word he takes a post (me saying I won't lynch Simon today) and twists it to make it seem like I am on a scum team with Simon. He then waits for my reaction, which he will say is an overreaction or something along that lines.

Eventually someone will say I'm being panicky or to defensive and use that as a reason to push my lynch as well. Someone will also no doubt say my post was a scum slip and a good enough reason for a day 1 vote.

So I'll need to see some more of Epi's actions, but at this time I'd be happy to end my day with a lynch on him. For know I'll be placing my vote on him.

Epignosis

But wait am I being lynched for a spelling error?

Glorfindel wrote:So we're underway and we're lynching Sig because of a spelling error? My God, if that's what we've come to that is a fairly sad state of affairs

I think I'm being lynched by Scotty for my post about Simon, and Idk why Zebra is voting for me. I don't think it has anything to do with a spelling error.

I'd go with D if I were you Glorfindel

Epignosis wrote:
sig wrote:I'm glad to play along and answer your posts even though I suspect your trying to set me up for a lynch and am leaning scum on you. With only twenty four hours we need to have some good discussions.

Also I would hardly call my post over the top, your not trying to pull a Long Con move on me are your Epi? I'd be very sad if you were.
Let us dissect this post, shall we?

"Play along."

This implies my post is a joke. It isn't.

"your"

He meant "you're."

"trying to set me up for a lynch"

How did sig arrive at this?

" am leaning scum on you"

Why?

I say sig and Simon are teammates still.

I disagree that saying plays along means that your joking, it means I'll continue to post in this matter and address you potentially digging myself deeper into a hole. I'm using the wording playing along since I don't believe you're genuine in your thought that Simon and I are on the same team.

Yes sorry for spelling error.

You accuse me of being a scum and say I'm on Simon's team. In accusing me of being scum you're trying to set me up for a lynch. You didn't say you were suspicious of me. You made a very clear statement that you thought I was on the scum team. Meaning you are trying to get me lynched.

I found your reaction to my post to be strange, it also appears that you're attempting to lay the groundwork for my lynch, yet you haven't joined it, instead you allow other players to start voting and form the wagon against me, which will make those players look more suspicious, when I flip and allow you to slid under the radar. Though since I've never seen your scum game I can't say if you normally set up players.

Plus this ignites discussion and gives me a better feel for players.

I have another reason but, I'd like to see more players post before I say it. After all we still have plenty of time this phase.

It was a joke, I said I wasn't voting Simon since he laughed at my old person joke, Scotty voted for me since he thinks it is weird I said I wouldn't vote for Simon since he laughed at my joke, and that it is weird to not vote for people based around if they laugh at your stuff.

You did the same laughing emoticon as Simon, so I said I wasn't going to vote for you, get it I was making a joke.

Must not have been a very good one if nobody got it though.

I'm not voting zebra either since she laughed at my joke and I'm cool that way

oh wait nevermind she voted for me fair game for my vote. :P

Not voting for an eight year old since he laughed at my old person joke isn't an issue imo.

Not to mention like I said it would be very odd for me to act that way if he was my teammate.

I'm glad to play along and answer your posts even though I suspect your trying to set me up for a lynch and am leaning scum on you. With only twenty four hours we need to have some good discussions.

Also I would hardly call my post over the top, your not trying to pull a Long Con move on me are your Epi? I'd be very sad if you were.

Voting your own son day 1 harsh Epi.

Why do you think we are teammates? I engaged in the same sort of banter in Star Wars and in many of my more recent games, do you also think if I was mafia I would make such an obvious connection between myself and Simon, this seems like a rather strange thing for me to do especially with my experience as scum.

If we are teammates why vote for Simon over me?

Simon wrote:
sig wrote:I'll go with Winged since he is lonely with no votes.

I think I'm one of those young whipper snappers Epi is talking about. So I'll leave you old farts alone when you nostalgically talk about your gamecube, Zelda, color TV, and the creation of the wheel. :P
Old fart still can't stop laughing.

I'm not voting Simon since he laughed at my joke and I'm cool that way.

There seems to be a few people I haven't played with so looking forward to playing with you all.
Also glad to play with you again Glorfindel.

Voting kneel4justice

a2thezebra wrote:That's what I get for not reading da rules.

Same

Epignosis wrote:
sig wrote:I'll go with Winged since he is lonely with no votes.

I think I'm one of those young whipper snappers Epi is talking about. So I'll leave you old farts alone when you nostalgically talk about your gamecube, Zelda, color TV, and the creation of the wheel. :P
Gamecube?

Try NES.

He's blowing in the cartridge

That sounds inappropriate.

Sorsha wrote:Did you guys ever go outside and play? Just wondering.

Those graphics suck compared to the ones on my desktop, though they are probably better then console graphics

I'll go with Winged since he is lonely with no votes.

I think I'm one of those young whipper snappers Epi is talking about. So I'll leave you old farts alone when you nostalgically talk about your gamecube, Zelda, color TV, and the creation of the wheel. :P

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