The Syndicate

I'm not happy I got voted off day 2 especially since I actually gave my shield to a civ :P.

Though SVS gave me an epic death which totally makes up for it.

Good game all, thanks for hosting SVS and TH. I'm glad I was able to play GoC within my first year on this site next year my goal is to make it to phase 3.

Well you did vote last minute and you used a smile face, hmmmm you must be scum.

The fact there is no counter wagon is sad.

There isn't even a good case against me this game, I'm baffled that the mafia I was able to manipulate so many civs. Also don't forget I was unable to vote day 1, Llama tried to get me lynched this is connected. I think I was right about either JJJ or DH as well as Llama so the mafia started my wagon so these players wouldn't get lynched.

"just being sig" in what sense though? See this is the thing I didn't respond over defensive or any such thing this game, nobody even gave the common reasons for me being lynched to explain their vote. The reasons that people are voting is either reaching or flat out laziness. Part of Wilgy's case revolves around me using to many smiles and not putting my jokes in a different color or flat out misrepresentation of what I say? Not to mention not a single person addressed any of the points I made in my defense and Llama even said Wilgy's case was good when in fact it wasn't. Wilgy even admits to not paying attention to the details. Mac's claim that he can read my scum game is ridicules. Randomly calling out a third of the players in the game and then when one or two flips scum doesn't prove anything about his skills, neither does he calling me out in two games yet not getting me lynched in either.
I do think Llama is scum as is either JJJ or DH.
I'd watch Long Con the fact I'm being wagoned and he defended me could very well be a scum strategy.
Also keep an eye on GOlden I don't like his last minute doubts about my wagon, it seems like something mafia would do to try and look less scummy when I flip civ.


You'd be wrong HB, dead wrong.

The people voting for me are either lurkers who voted for the largest lynch wagon or people I've suspected or Mac who thinks he can read my scum game but can't.

Golden wrote:Yeah, I'm feeling pretty good that sig is bad:

sig wrote:linki: Mac you don't have a good grip on my scum play, especially if you think I'm zebras teammate.

read: I am bad, but not for the reasons you say.

Nah I'm not bad, I guess on the plus side my flip will prove that Mac doesn't have a good grip on my scum play.


Unless y'all wanna think about the cases against me, read my counters, and think about my meta then I won't get lynched since this certanly isn't my scum play, the cases against me are weak, and I responded to all of them.

linki: no I'm not on any team, Macs "meta"read off me is laughable, and Golden's bullet over broadway meta read is ridicules,seeing how that was my first scum game ever on a totally new site.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

MacDougall wrote:I'd like to think I have a good grip on scum sig. I called him out as scum correctly in Dune and in West Wing.

I've never played with a mafia sig. What's he like?

I don't get caught or put in the spotlight, I never lead by so many votes and have people so eager to jump on my wagon and I don't create links with my teammates. I can avoid attention much longer if not forever in scum games and always attract it when I'm a civ.

MacDougall wrote:

sig wrote:

MacDougall wrote: You could change my mind. You aren't suspicious enough to me to be of immediate concern. Right now I am far more convinced that sig is bad. Help me find the big bads.

Sig is primary candidate for Zebra teammate! Let's lynch him.

No reason here, not even a weak case, and is his giant post that I snipped he didn't mention me once.

Shut up and be lynched scum. You know I've made cases on you in this game. You even commented and didn't address them, dismissing them with a joke. Take what's coming to you fiend.

No especially since I'm civ. The very fact how quickly and unopposed my wagon is should help prove I'm not scum. Also I don't recall you ever making a case against me, if you did I would have answered it.

@Llama his case isn't really substantive, I find it to be very weak and he never answered my counter to his post.

linki: Mac you don't have a good grip on my scum play, especially if you think I'm zebras teammate.

FZ. wrote:Sig, who do you think people should vote for?

Looking over the vote poll I'd also be okay with a JJJ lynch, however I'd prefer someone else. I still don't see the case against Lorab.

linki: Oh I didn't notice that. I guess I won't be voting for him today then.

Boomslang gave that as a reason as did Wilgy.

RadicalFuzz wrote:You neglected a question in my post. Do you think that saying "I don't do this as scum" will actually convince anyone that you're not scum?

Probably not, but I think looking at meta especially for something like teammate linking is important.

linki: I'd like to vote for either Dh or Llama, but would vote elsewhere for self preservation. I think both have been scummy and have given weak reasoningfor their votes. I've also suspected DH since night 0

RadicalFuzz wrote: Sig, I have an issue with your statement.

Well I see I have five votes, I'll need to catch up on the thread and see why this is,but from my skimming early today it seems they are voting for me based around a connection with zebra? If this is the reason then it is silly that anyone who knows my scum game would think i'd so obviously buddy up to a fellow mafia member. When I usually have little to no interaction with them.

You believe you're being lynched because you buddied Zebra, correct? And your defense is, essentially, "that's not how I play as scum, anyone who's ever seen me play as scum knows I don't do that," right? You are clearly a human being, and human beings have the ability to adapt to various situations.

Anyway, time for my question. Answer it honestly, you never know who's watching. Do you expect the defense of "I would never do X as scum, but in this game I have done X so I am not scum" to prove effective?

In my first post yes I thought that was the main reason, also that was part of my defense at that time. I think my answers to other players cases was better then this post, however I will point out nobody actually points out how I was budding up with Zebra. I'd also like to note that we didn't lynhc Zebra so it isn't like I defended her or started a counter wagon. It was a NK and almost nobody had voiced doubt about her before. This also plays into my manipulation thoughts. She happened to get killed and flip mafia this give people a good amount of material to make cases on. However, if she is civ it gives a good amount of mislynch cases and since it is still early people don't have many clear reads and wouldbe more likely to vote based around a weak interaction case then letter in the game.

linki: I've seen different changes sometimes only affiliation, sometimes both. I think it could be either, however I'd lean to saying just the players alignment would change. Is this likely, probably not but, I thought it was worth bringing up.

DH used a smile he must be mafia case closed.



Kinda stupid isn't it? That is at least two people's reasons or a portion of their reasons for voting me.


linki: Yes that is what I'm saying a seemer did something to Zebra, they had a night 0 to preform actions so it is possibly that they set her up. If this is the case that means Zebra was most likely right about her mafia reads and they wanted to discredit them, or did it for an unknown reason.

linki: Me fuzz?

I didn't think there was a difference between fluffy and jokey, I've always thought they meant the same thing. I responded to your and everyone's cases against me, however as I said how can I defend myself from posts that you can't defend yourself from? I don't think everyone who is voting for me is scummy however many of you give scummy or weak reasoning for your vote.

Boomslang wrote:I'm running low on time before class, and I don't think I'll be able to vote after that. Quite disappointed in Drac's lack of posting today. I think the JJJ case is overblown; his effort with the smiley curse alone, when as a baddie he could have safely played it cool, makes me lean civ on him. Lorab's defense seems genuine, while sig is much more flippant. I don't like the games he played with smileys in a recent post, in particular; it's self-conscious, not natural. I'll put my vote *on sig* unless I find time on a class break to read more and change my mind.

Linki w/Golden: Good illustration of the difference between civ read/buddying. Worth keeping in mind, imo.

Well this vote isn't opportunistic at all.

FZ. wrote:

Golden wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:5. This is a big ping for me. A huge indication of mafia is their tendency to bring speculation into the thread.

Also, this (re the speculation that zebra could be a seemer).

I bring speculation in to the thread all the time as a civ, so I don't agree with DH's premise so much. I think it depends what the speculation is.

Zebra's role:

S~V~S wrote:

Roger Rabbit - Who Framed Roger Rabbit~ A BADDIE
In position 4, Roger Rabbit can frame a player by making them appear bad to alignment checks.
In any other Position, he may target a player and force them to post using only emoticons for the next Day.

In what world does this role power say 'seemer'? For me this is probably the biggest strike against sig.

This might be a difference of cultures issue. I think a seemer is either a person who will look bad when checked or a person who can make someone look bad. Or did I misunderstand what you're asking here?

I thought it was a role that would either make people appear as different roles, or flip alignments? So a civ would flip as mafia viceverse or a different role altogether.

Dom wrote: I'm not a fan of sig's speculation of seemers. We have no reason to suspect that there are seemers yet.


Anyway, I'm gonna vote for sig now. I'm still busy guys and doing my best. Anyone who plays with me knows that I don't like phoning it in like this.

I seem to recall Mafia Dom making posts like this, but I've never seen his civ meta. I don't see anything wrong with discussing seemers since as I said I found it odd Zebra a scum was shot night 1. This is reason enough to think there might be a seemer.

I think this was all the points against me, and I'm not seeing any real case against me, it seems like cobbled together reasons that make no sense and is just something for people to latch onto.

DharmaHelper wrote:

sig wrote:So zebra was mafia, that most likely means JJJ wasn't on her team. I did see the idea that she picked him, but this makes little sense for day 1. I think it is worth looking into the players who after Rico flipped made comments, like saying how they hope he isn't as spammy or it would be better to have lynched a baddie. I find the first group to almost be trying to weaken Rico's credit thus giving him less of an opinion and basically neutering him, and the second group to just be scummy.

I think a few mafia members were on the Rico wagon, however I also think there is a good chance that either LoRab or Llama are scum.

I don't have many civ or scum reads right know, but I do think Long Con is a civilian, and I'm leaning scum on Llama. Know here is my question do you think the early snipping that Llama and Zebra did was fabricated? It was only a little bit, but I'm curious what people think of it.

I think with Zebra's lynch it also makes it less likely that Mac is on her team.

One last thing, if Roger Rabbit was a civ role last game wouldn't it be odd for it to be a scum role this game? Could this be some sort of seemer/prankster thing? Remember Night 0 scum was able to do actions in theory they could have targeted Zebra and then killed her today. This could be a seemer role where it replaces the scum who used it, just switched the alignment, or let the seemer pick a role.
I think the chances of this are low, but then again the chances of hitting a mafia night 1 is also small.

Engaging in my catch up and I have to say this post really rings my bells.

1. I don't think it clears JJJ from being on Zebra's team at all. Mafia target in-house with those types of roles early very often.
2. I disagree. I think its good form for Rico to dial it back now that he's done what he wanted to do. I also can't fault anyone for thinking that however unlikely it would have been, lynching a baddie D1 would trump lynching a civvie.
3. Rico would have been a very easy vote to make late, I agree.
4. Several instances of your post (the suspecting people who thought it would be better to lynch a mafia, calling out Lorab and Llama) already indicate you suspect Llama, But you don't say why. Seems like a vendetta to me.
4. How?
5. This is a big ping for me. A huge indication of mafia is their tendency to bring speculation into the thread.

1. That is my thought process I might be wrong, but I don't see how this would be scummy?
2. I disagree here, the chances of lynching a baddie day 1 is so small, getting an unkillable confirmed civ is better then maybe possibly lynching a baddie day 1. I think it is scummy for people to say it would have been better to lynch a baddie.
3. Cool glad we agree here
4. I've given reasons against Llama? Calling it a vendetta is pingy to me, it is an attempt to make anything I say about Llama look like a grudge match thus making people less likely to believe my case.
4. part 2, Her and Mac's interactions, however I'm not as confident in that today as I was when i first made this post.
5. I deemed that it was something important to discuss, so I brought it up.

DharmaHelper wrote:Oh also I'm voting sig for the moment. Not likely to change unless something really fucks me up in my catch up.

That big fluffy post of fluff was a total red flag, his defense of it was weak, and the post above is another flag for me.

Still going on about the fluff post, plus he calls my defense of it weak. First I shouldn't have even needed to defend a fluff post, second how does one defend a joky post? There is no way he would think I had a strong defense. All three reasons are weak. I think my initial suspicion of DH might be accurate and this is one of the reasons he is voting for me.

Long Con wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

sig wrote:So zebra was mafia, that most likely means JJJ wasn't on her team. I did see the idea that she picked him, but this makes little sense for day 1. I think it is worth looking into the players who after Rico flipped made comments, like saying how they hope he isn't as spammy or it would be better to have lynched a baddie. I find the first group to almost be trying to weaken Rico's credit thus giving him less of an opinion and basically neutering him, and the second group to just be scummy.

I think a few mafia members were on the Rico wagon, however I also think there is a good chance that either LoRab or Llama are scum.

I don't have many civ or scum reads right know, but I do think Long Con is a civilian, and I'm leaning scum on Llama. Know here is my question do you think the early snipping that Llama and Zebra did was fabricated? It was only a little bit, but I'm curious what people think of it.

I think with Zebra's lynch it also makes it less likely that Mac is on her team.

One last thing, if Roger Rabbit was a civ role last game wouldn't it be odd for it to be a scum role this game? Could this be some sort of seemer/prankster thing? Remember Night 0 scum was able to do actions in theory they could have targeted Zebra and then killed her today. This could be a seemer role where it replaces the scum who used it, just switched the alignment, or let the seemer pick a role.
I think the chances of this are low, but then again the chances of hitting a mafia night 1 is also small.

One thing I'm always wary of is Mafia buddying up to Civs, so this is one thing that I have to say toward the relatively popular idea that sig is bad. Why do you think I'm Civ, sig?

A combination of your tone and the fact that you're defending me, true you could be mafia doing this, but from the games I've played with you your more likely to push me as mafia and attempt to lynch me. I think you see other players doing this and recognize that it is what you would do as scum, and that is why you defended me.
You could be mafia defending me in reverse of what you usually do and to get civ points but I think that is less likely.

Long Con wrote:

Where does the LoRab suspicion come from?

This is a valid question. If sig is jumping on the Lorab wagon without his own reasons, then it's worth looking into. I do think that the Lorab suspicion was talked out by several people, and I must admit, she's on the baddie end of my hypothetical rainbow list because I read those opinions on her and agreed with some of them. I never delved into it and made my own case on her, but I still held suspicion based on what I read.

Rico didn't flip scum, I think there were to many people on his wagon who wouldn't even consider switching thus I think one of the other two is mafia. This made me suspicious of LoRab since in theory she could be the baddie. Since as I said I think there is a good chance one of the other wagons was a mafia member.

Golden wrote:A rainbow, because why not:


Moderate baddie

sig
Dr. Wilgy
Long Con

Why am I a moderate baddie? I also find it funny you have LC and Wilgy both in the same class of reads. I can't recall you voicing suspicious on any of us especially me?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

HamburgerBoy wrote:Aside from potentially llama, who are your biggest suspects right now? I'm really glad you did a comprehensive ISO on Zebra, but as you said here, you don't seem to have found any confident ones right now, and llama seemed to be what you found as the best connection regardless.

My top suspect right now might be MM. I'm also suspicious of sig, Long Con, and llama. I also compiled a "maybe" list for more speculative possibilities: sorsha, dharmahelper, mac, and boomslang.

Again why, barley any mentions of me before this, is this a no u from day 1?

MacDougall wrote: You could change my mind. You aren't suspicious enough to me to be of immediate concern. Right now I am far more convinced that sig is bad. Help me find the big bads.

Sig is primary candidate for Zebra teammate! Let's lynch him.

No reason here, not even a weak case, and is his giant post that I snipped he didn't mention me once.

Linki:

Golden wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

Golden wrote:Re timmer, gut/meta in the face of very little evidence. But you make good points, HB, about the World Reborn, and I had forgotten anything about engaging with him on day zero.
Re Doc, your iso is remarkably bare, even taking into account the DrWilgy stylistic flourish.

Gotcha, I don't really know why that puts me low on your list though (ISO-ing on mobile is hard, just adding pink text to quotes is a nightmare). What are your thoughts on Sig? He's in the same maroon that I am, and you've also never mentioned him outside a quote here and there.

No, I hadn't. Sometimes when you stick everyone in a list and force yourself to write a read on them, you come up with things you hadn't said in the thread before on people you hadn't thought deeply about. This is why I personally think the rainbow list exercise is useful.

I've found a number of sig's contributions to be... I guess reaching and not overly contributory. I thought I didn't agree with llama's view on sig, but I think I've discovered that I do, after a longer period of time. Sig in West Wing was relatively quiet and not overly contributory, and he was bad. I find civilian sig is often getting lynched for putting his foot in it because he is trying hard to present ideas. I don't really get the same vibe here.

Yes I am usually getting lynched for that, this is why I was trying to take more of a Frisky Dingo approach to this game. Looks like that isn't working so I can increase my activity and push ideas, only to get lynched after wasting at least one day with all the attention on me. I'd rather not do this so I'm presenting ideas as I see them. Also this game has been very fast paced so I haven't posted as much, however this in no way means I'm scum.

I think I did the quotes right I was having some trouble with them, to answer the last question. I think it is possibly for the hosts to incorporate roles or role abiliteis from outside of TS into the game or they could just come up with the ideas themselves as they switch up the roles.

Lol the people votingfor me I'll answer their points but I can't help, but find them funny and very weak. You can even tell from my few posts that I'm not playing like my scum meta, I'm playing much more like the way I did in Frisky Dingo which is the game I survived until the end in.

DrWilgy wrote:Howdy everyone,

Spoiler: show

Music that you should listen to while reading this post, because it's playing in my head as I write this post

Sorry about my non involvement, the game was moving too fast for me to be too involved (also my dad's birthday just passed and we were partying ). Now that I have abit more time I figured I'd do an ISO or two and here's what I got:

SIG!

sig wrote:I want an apology also, I'm not sure what I want it for, but by God I want one!

So I read the back and forth between Ricohet, Mac, and Zebra and honestly most of it went in one ear and out the other. I think Llama raises an interesting point about Mac, Zebra seems to be acting like Zebra. Rico seems to be posting a good amount of stuff.

What does everyone think of JJJ? He posted those voice messages, but after I raised my concern of them I don't recall anymore of his posts.

MacDougall wrote:Yes Ricochet is most certainly bullshitting hard. This is not my beautiful Ricochet.

Mac has a role from the TH game, or I'm getting my old people bands mixed up? :P

thellama73 wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Zebra (who is a girl)

Zebra (who is a girl)

I think that you think that I take myself more seriously than I actually do. Yes, I identify as a girl, no, I'm not going to antagonize anyone that doesn't agree.[/quote
I'll be the judge of that.

Well I mean she hasn't threatened to sue you, or accuse you of using improper pronouns, or kidnap you, lock you in a hole, keep you there for about 3 to 5 days, hang you from her second story house when she tells you that she is taking you upstairs to get a shower, and then after hanging you skin you to make a man suit for her to wear. (I in no way mean to be offensive so I hope nobody takes it that way, I truly doubt Zebra is a Serial Killer, BUT if she is I just want you to know Zebra I wouldn't make a very good victim at all and I'd never turn you in to the police when Llama's skinned body turns up in a river with a cocoon shoved up his throat )

So I'd say she was okay.

So... First eye catch! the post that mentions Zebra from Sig happens to have way more smileys than what I'm used to from Sig. I know he splashes maybe one smiley into a post here and there, but this just feels unnatural to Sig. His reactions to Zebra seems non-committal, kinda there just to be there. I find it odd that his concern was raised, but he doesn't remember those concerns.

I'm glad it didn't catch both your eyes though maybe it did considering your less then stellar ISO of me?

How is my reaction to Zebra non committal here? The only portion that I mentioned her in was the fluff, which was basically done in regards to Llama, Zebra( who is a girl) posts? This seems like an attempt to link me to zebra and make it seem like I'm not committing to a read when in fact I didn't make any reads about her?

It depends on my mood how many smiles I use, sometime more sometimes less. I've done posts in the past with multiply smiles. I don't see how smiles prove anything, about alignment this is reaching.

You are misreading my portion about my concern, "but after I raised my concern of them I don't recall anymore of his posts."
Them being the audio posts, his posts being JJJ. I didn't recall any posts from him or any posts addressing my audio concern after I mentioned it.

I see three reasons here that don't make any sense, this is either a civ who is reaching very far, or a mafia player trying to be involved, but not wanting to put in any real work.

sig wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote: Nice fluff post here, broseph. (In reference to the post quoted above)

It is a good fluff post isn't it? I'm quite proud of it one of my better jokey/fluff posts.

thellama73 wrote:Right now I want to vote for SIg though, for that obvious fluff I pointed out earlier, and DH is pointing out now.

So I didn't take Dh post that serious, however know llama has also brought it up. What is wrong with some fluff day 1? I see lots of fluff day 1 this is quite suspicious to me. If I were to vote I'd consider Llama.

Sig brushes off DH, stating that it is fluff but fluff is OK. Is this a NO U?

sig wrote:I see, I wouldn't' say it appears contributory at all, minus my one line about Llama. I mean the entire post was basically about Zebra and a book series. I have however, made a few on topic posts. Not many, but when I saw something worth pointing out I did. Which was mainly the video thing, besides that I can't think of anything else big. This phase has been fast with lots of pages, but a good portion doesn't seem to be note worthy. So the fact you point out one fluff post of myself when several people have fluff posts or almost no posts is strange.

Yes it was a NO U. It's interesting that at this point in the game (Day 1), all we had from Sig were two "I'll be suspicions of you if you are suspicious of me" conversation kill tactics, Zebra hunky pokeyness, and awkward fluff.

The reason they called me out was suspicious, to deny that it isn't would be interesting. I do have lower activity right know, but the above claim is false. I made a few other posts at this time. To ignore them makes me sad. You are purposely only taking my post that will make me look more guilty and ignoring my other posts. (maybe I shouldn't use two smiles it must prove I'm mafia or engaging in a secret code with another player!)
I don't know what hunky pokeyness is so I guess you mean fluff? I was bored thought it was funny so I did it. Also my fluff wasn't awkward.

sig wrote:and I'm not a fart YOU'RE A FART :P

Y'know... I'm tone reading this as bad. Yup, I don't care what others have to say about this point. Tone reading Sig as bad for this one.

Hmmm... interesting thing is, Sig hasn't used a font color for his jokes... He normally does if I recall correctly. Meh, probably being over speculatory at this point.

sig wrote:@BK I agree that my one post (not posts) wasn't contributory, however I disagree with DH and Llama that I purposeful did a post in this way to make it appear like I was contributing, thus looking scummy since I appear to be contributing but I'm not. Which I wasn't doing I was just being jokey to be jokey.

This is a lie, Sig wouldn't have asked about JJJ in the non contributory post if this were true.

sig wrote:Well he is voting for me isn't that enough?

thellama73 wrote:Yeah, I'm voting for Sig after that crazy misrepresentation of my point.

I don't particularly want to see Ricochet lynched, but I guess it will at least make reading the thread easier.

I don't like his reasoning for voting for me, especially since it seems like he agrees with me here.

thellama73 wrote:

Sorsha wrote: Stop with the vocaroo. This is not a vocaroo Mafia.

This. Some of us are in places where we can't play sound, and it's not fair to hide your content from us in that way. Very suspish.

Yet he doesn't mention my post about vocaroo, only my fluffy post. This is suspicious.

He mentions Mac once as suspicious yet hasn't mentioned it again and has said a few times he doesn't think Rico is mafia yet hasn't tried to defend him or switch his vote to himself to try and save Rico

These are all small reasons, but those along with my gut read makes me think he would be a better day 1 lynch then Rico.


linki: I'm pretty sure I mentioned being suspicious of you before, but maybe I didn't.

What are your current thoughts on Mac?

So... the part in pink is odd to me, why would he state that it seems someone agrees, rather than ask and have them agree with you directly or indirectly.

I can't defend myself against someone tone reading my fluff as bad so whatever. LLama already agreed with me no reason to directly ask, what it seems your ignoring is that I found it odd that Llama doesn't mention this, when he is calling me scum and he ignored my OT posts.

sig wrote:So zebra was mafia, that most likely means JJJ wasn't on her team. I did see the idea that she picked him, but this makes little sense for day 1. I think it is worth looking into the players who after Rico flipped made comments, like saying how they hope he isn't as spammy or it would be better to have lynched a baddie. I find the first group to almost be trying to weaken Rico's credit thus giving him less of an opinion and basically neutering him, and the second group to just be scummy.

I think a few mafia members were on the Rico wagon, however I also think there is a good chance that either LoRab or Llama are scum.

I don't have many civ or scum reads right know, but I do think Long Con is a civilian, and I'm leaning scum on Llama. Know here is my question do you think the early snipping that Llama and Zebra did was fabricated? It was only a little bit, but I'm curious what people think of it.

I think with Zebra's lynch it also makes it less likely that Mac is on her team.

One last thing, if Roger Rabbit was a civ role last game wouldn't it be odd for it to be a scum role this game? Could this be some sort of seemer/prankster thing? Remember Night 0 scum was able to do actions in theory they could have targeted Zebra and then killed her today. This could be a seemer role where it replaces the scum who used it, just switched the alignment, or let the seemer pick a role.
I think the chances of this are low, but then again the chances of hitting a mafia night 1 is also small.

Where does the LoRab suspicion come from?

sig wrote:

Golden wrote:

HamburgerBoy wrote:

sig wrote:

juliets wrote: I am not Zebra or any other baddies teammate and I am not an indy or an SK.

I actually think this part is more important then the rest of juliets post, if we think there is a lie detector this would be quite a good statement to check. Know there might not be one, but the scum wouldn't know that and I doubt they would say something that could be checked so easily.

Roughly what percentage of Syndicate games have lie detector roles?

I would be surprised to see one in an SVS game. Can't guarantee it, but I think it is less likely.

Okay thanks, do you think Zebra is indeed scum or was it some form of trickery?
It just seems odd for a baddie to be shot on night 1, I don't recall something like that to ever happen. Unless she was just killed for her skill which also makes little sense, she is usually mislynched early to mid game. Know if she was killed by a mafia team for her skill then it could be she was onto something about that team. Thoughts?

link: Okay Epi thanks for clarification.
Mac right know they are both null, I think HB is being genuine in his defense of juliets, however, I guess he could be scum buddies and still be genuine.
What do you think of Llama?

Sig's insentience on seemers being in play seems silly. What would pondering this do? I need to check how often Sig states "What do you think of X?" as a civ...

sig wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

sig wrote: One last thing, if Roger Rabbit was a civ role last game wouldn't it be odd for it to be a scum role this game? Could this be some sort of seemer/prankster thing? Remember Night 0 scum was able to do actions in theory they could have targeted Zebra and then killed her today. This could be a seemer role where it replaces the scum who used it, just switched the alignment, or let the seemer pick a role.
I think the chances of this are low, but then again the chances of hitting a mafia night 1 is also small.

I hit a mafia with my wii vigi gun on Night 1 in the Donner game (from which my role is).

Why would a non-mafia seemer role choose to show up as mafia? Besides, her role (powers) still sounded scummy. She would have been able to screw up with a (presumably cop's) alignment checks. The insanification part can usually be attributed to both town and anti-town (if the question-ifier is town, it makes sense for balance purposes), but her "position 4" is the biggest indicator that she was up to no good.

Or are you saying her killer can change how he shows up? Is this a reference to the Trickster or any other role this past year? What did the Trickster do in WR?

The only thing I don't get is how come zebra acted cognizant within minutes of her death. Night victims don't usually get told they're going down (except if you're watching footie at Epig's home while he's hosting). Strange near-death behaviour.

I was saying her killer might be able to change her role or alignment, I haven't seen a role like that on TS yet, but I've played on other sites that have such a role. I think the chances of it happening is low, but figured it was worth mentioning.

Sig, do you think that there are any roles in this game that are from outside TS?

To sum up my thoughts, I think Sig is scumdoodlin, but I don't have a point of reference due to... well... not paying attention for awhile. What do others think of this? I'm going to drop my vote on him, and look at some others.[/quote]


I don't see him asking anything here, but to sum up my responses I think all of Wilgy's reasons are weak, I think he slapped together a case on me to make it seem like he is contributing and that he doesn't actually think I'm scum.

Well I see I have five votes, I'll need to catch up on the thread and see why this is,but from my skimming early today it seems they are voting for me based around a connection with zebra? If this is the reason then it is silly that anyone who knows my scum game would think i'd so obviously buddy up to a fellow mafia member. When I usually have little to no interaction with them.

DrWilgy wrote:Hi Sig

Hi Wilgy

Ricochet wrote:

sig wrote: One last thing, if Roger Rabbit was a civ role last game wouldn't it be odd for it to be a scum role this game? Could this be some sort of seemer/prankster thing? Remember Night 0 scum was able to do actions in theory they could have targeted Zebra and then killed her today. This could be a seemer role where it replaces the scum who used it, just switched the alignment, or let the seemer pick a role.
I think the chances of this are low, but then again the chances of hitting a mafia night 1 is also small.

I hit a mafia with my wii vigi gun on Night 1 in the Donner game (from which my role is).

Why would a non-mafia seemer role choose to show up as mafia? Besides, her role (powers) still sounded scummy. She would have been able to screw up with a (presumably cop's) alignment checks. The insanification part can usually be attributed to both town and anti-town (if the question-ifier is town, it makes sense for balance purposes), but her "position 4" is the biggest indicator that she was up to no good.

Or are you saying her killer can change how he shows up? Is this a reference to the Trickster or any other role this past year? What did the Trickster do in WR?

The only thing I don't get is how come zebra acted cognizant within minutes of her death. Night victims don't usually get told they're going down (except if you're watching footie at Epig's home while he's hosting). Strange near-death behaviour.

I was saying her killer might be able to change her role or alignment, I haven't seen a role like that on TS yet, but I've played on other sites that have such a role. I think the chances of it happening is low, but figured it was worth mentioning.

MacDougall wrote: Others I think are worth looking at are sig, metalmarsh and Matt. Sig looks a likely teammate. Metalmarsh could really go either way and Matt had some pingy interactions. Golden I read as non teammate but there is a lot of interaction and reference to one another so you might think differently. There's also plenty of Zebra/Mac stuff to trawl through if you're so inclined.

Mac thinks I'm worth looking at?
Unless Mac is scum trying to set me up then he doesn't deserve my blushes.

Epignosis wrote:sig, I have asked before and Knever got an answer. I have to now know now. Please now let me know now why you write "Know" when you mean "Now."

Please and thank you.

I do it to annoy you?
no wait I do it since I'm an anarchist libertarian.

Though on a more serious note when I type up my posts through a word document it self auto corrects now to know and I haven't figured out why yet. I'll keep an eye out for it from now on.

Golden wrote:

HamburgerBoy wrote:

sig wrote:

juliets wrote: I am not Zebra or any other baddies teammate and I am not an indy or an SK.

I actually think this part is more important then the rest of juliets post, if we think there is a lie detector this would be quite a good statement to check. Know there might not be one, but the scum wouldn't know that and I doubt they would say something that could be checked so easily.

Roughly what percentage of Syndicate games have lie detector roles?

I would be surprised to see one in an SVS game. Can't guarantee it, but I think it is less likely.

Okay thanks, do you think Zebra is indeed scum or was it some form of trickery?
It just seems odd for a baddie to be shot on night 1, I don't recall something like that to ever happen. Unless she was just killed for her skill which also makes little sense, she is usually mislynched early to mid game. Know if she was killed by a mafia team for her skill then it could be she was onto something about that team. Thoughts?

link: Okay Epi thanks for clarification.
Mac right know they are both null, I think HB is being genuine in his defense of juliets, however, I guess he could be scum buddies and still be genuine.
What do you think of Llama?

I couldn't give a percentage, but I seem to remember that this is a semi common role, though it would be a little to normal for a champion game.

juliets wrote: I am not Zebra or any other baddies teammate and I am not an indy or an SK.

I actually think this part is more important then the rest of juliets post, if we think there is a lie detector this would be quite a good statement to check. Know there might not be one, but the scum wouldn't know that and I doubt they would say something that could be checked so easily.

HamburgerBoy wrote:

sig wrote:hello HB how are you doing?

I'm keeping my eye open however, I don't see the reason why everyone thinks Lo Rab is scummy. I will admit I was skimming those areas so I might've missed something, but from what I read she looked null.

What do we think of Elo being replaced? Is she more likely to replace out as mafia or is it unrelated to meta?

You just said that you thought there was a good chance LoRab (or llama) was scum though. Why do you think that?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Burger is no longer Superman. The notion that I am on Zebra's team is beyond tinfoil. It's crackpot.

Why did you call me Superman earlier to begin with?

Partly since I suspected Llama already, but also since the size of the rico wagon. Not to mention Zebra refused to switch from Rico to llama, after her flip I think this looks bad for Llama. She didn't say she thought he was clean, just that she wasn't going to vote for him while Rico was alive. The amount of people unwilling to switch off of Rico or consider one of the other two wagons is suspicious and makes me think on of the other two was a scum.

@juliets, okay I didn't think it had anything to do with alignment, but figured it was worth mentioning anyway.

hello HB how are you doing?

I'm keeping my eye open however, I don't see the reason why everyone thinks Lo Rab is scummy. I will admit I was skimming those areas so I might've missed something, but from what I read she looked null.

What do we think of Elo being replaced? Is she more likely to replace out as mafia or is it unrelated to meta?

So zebra was mafia, that most likely means JJJ wasn't on her team. I did see the idea that she picked him, but this makes little sense for day 1. I think it is worth looking into the players who after Rico flipped made comments, like saying how they hope he isn't as spammy or it would be better to have lynched a baddie. I find the first group to almost be trying to weaken Rico's credit thus giving him less of an opinion and basically neutering him, and the second group to just be scummy.

I think a few mafia members were on the Rico wagon, however I also think there is a good chance that either LoRab or Llama are scum.

I don't have many civ or scum reads right know, but I do think Long Con is a civilian, and I'm leaning scum on Llama. Know here is my question do you think the early snipping that Llama and Zebra did was fabricated? It was only a little bit, but I'm curious what people think of it.

I think with Zebra's lynch it also makes it less likely that Mac is on her team.

One last thing, if Roger Rabbit was a civ role last game wouldn't it be odd for it to be a scum role this game? Could this be some sort of seemer/prankster thing? Remember Night 0 scum was able to do actions in theory they could have targeted Zebra and then killed her today. This could be a seemer role where it replaces the scum who used it, just switched the alignment, or let the seemer pick a role.
I think the chances of this are low, but then again the chances of hitting a mafia night 1 is also small.

I'm voting for Ateles hybridus

Epignosis wrote:

Ricochet wrote:Epignosis hasn't posted here in a day and a half.

Fuck you, that's why.

Kinky :P

So I couldn't vote yesterday, or say I couldn't vote until the day phase was over. Know my fluff post was done Night 0, Llama/DH and I discussed this, then. I had already said something DH did was pingy.

Thoughts on this?

Well he is voting for me isn't that enough?

thellama73 wrote:Yeah, I'm voting for Sig after that crazy misrepresentation of my point.

I don't particularly want to see Ricochet lynched, but I guess it will at least make reading the thread easier.

I don't like his reasoning for voting for me, especially since it seems like he agrees with me here.

thellama73 wrote:

Sorsha wrote: Stop with the vocaroo. This is not a vocaroo Mafia.

This. Some of us are in places where we can't play sound, and it's not fair to hide your content from us in that way. Very suspish.

Yet he doesn't mention my post about vocaroo, only my fluffy post. This is suspicious.

He mentions Mac once as suspicious yet hasn't mentioned it again and has said a few times he doesn't think Rico is mafia yet hasn't tried to defend him or switch his vote to himself to try and save Rico

These are all small reasons, but those along with my gut read makes me think he would be a better day 1 lynch then Rico.


linki: I'm pretty sure I mentioned being suspicious of you before, but maybe I didn't.

What are your current thoughts on Mac?

a2thezebra wrote:I find both the LoRab AND the llama wagons fishy as fuck.

Why?

Ricochet wrote:

Long Con wrote:I am going to work now, changing my vote from Boomslang to Llama, for a more relevant opinion. I'm totally cool with Blue Eye being lynched though. He just scares me so I'm staying away.

If I vote Llama, will the triple voter in your team do the same and save me?

If you really want to save yourself I'd switch and hope two others join to tie it.

I don't see the Lorab wagon at all I'd suggest the people on it switch to llama

@HB I would eat Llama, but I think it would give me indigestion

Sorry lower activity I was quite busy. The game is moving really fast and even reading it I'm a little lost.

Long Con wrote:Llama, I noticed that when Golden brought it up earlier. Mac never specifically denied being bad, he just said MM would find any evidence of it. Depends on how unwaveringly honest you think Mac is intent on being. The implication here is that he didn't want to lie about his baddieness, he preferred to flaunt it instead? "Mwa ha ha, you will NEVER find the evidence you need to defeat Me! Foolish Civ!"

Is this like A Few Good Men, where Col. Jessup wanted to claim proud responsibility for the Code Red?

Like when you attacked sig for his use of the word "interesting", among other things, this feels to me like you are opportunistically jumping on things to cast suspicion on people... as opposed to stating a genuine suspicion. Like a predator that senses weakness.

This is familiar to what happened to me in World Reborn.

Right know I don't have many reads however, I'm leaning civ on Zebra and LC.
I'm unsure of Rico but would rather not have him lynched today.

My preferred lynch for today would be Llama.
I've got a slightly off gut read of Dom and DH, but nothing beyond a gut read at this time.
Know for Night 0 JJJ was talking about not caring as much. Is this a genuine thing, or a strategy he is using for whatever reason?

@BK I agree that my one post (not posts) wasn't contributory, however I disagree with DH and Llama that I purposeful did a post in this way to make it appear like I was contributing, thus looking scummy since I appear to be contributing but I'm not. Which I wasn't doing I was just being jokey to be jokey.

Ricochet wrote:

Long Con wrote:He wants the four of us dead... or all four to vote for him... I'm staying away for now from Blue Eye.

This is not A World Reborn tier, so your paranoia is unwarranted. But yes, distance yourself, baddie emperor yees yeeessa

What do you mean by this? That no World Reborn roles are in this game?

I agree with mac/LC here I think Ricochet wants to be lynched for whatever reason.

semi as in I'm not quite certain, but am more certain then just a scum lean. I already said in an early post why I found making vocaroo posts suspicious, based around my own thoughts and the recent game I played on RYM.

linki: I wasn't going as hard at you until you mentioned my post that is true. However, I found that both you and then Llama said my post were suspicious to be suspicious. So I organized my thoughts about you and recalled my early ping about the audio post. I might vote for you in spirit, but I don't I'll actually vote for you. Especially since I really don't have a case just a few pings.

and I'm not a fart YOU'RE A FART :P

I still disagree with this DH, even if a player skims my post which I'd say isn't that big they'd see the first line.

sig wrote:I want an apology also, I'm not sure what I want it for, but by God I want one!

This is obviously a starting fluff, if anything it would make people skip the rest of my post.

I had a few OT lines then this.

sig wrote:

MacDougall wrote:Yes Ricochet is most certainly bullshitting hard. This is not my beautiful Ricochet.

Mac has a role from the TH game, or I'm getting my old people bands mixed up? :P

Another obvious fluff portion. Anyone skimming would see the quotations breaking up the post and at the very least I'd think they would read what I was quoting. Then another quote this time from Llama, and his thing with Zebra, which was done in good fun.

So I highly doubt anyone skimming my post would think it had any OT stuff since the OT stuff was between much more noticeably fluff.
Not to mention like I said in my above post it was Night 0 and like many people I was messing around. I still find it very odd that you single out this post, and make it seem like a bigger deal then it is. Not to mention the fact that Llama quickly agrees with you about it.
I mean he could just be doing that since I made light of a post which he didn't want me to joke about and he was mad that I did this, however I don't know his personality enough to know if that is the case or not, and I doubt a mature adult would get pissy that I made a joke about how he was referring to Zebra. This leads me to think he is either budding up to you for an unknown reason, he is mafia and thought this was good to mention, or he wanted to appear like he was more involved in the game and this was a safe way to do so.

I think it is semi likely that either DH or Llama are mafia.
I also still have some reservations about DH/JJJ for the audio posts.

I notice DH mentions my fluff post after I brought up the points about the audio posts, I don't recall him ever directly answering me about my theory on this while I do remember JJJ doing so. This is another ping for DH in my book.

I see, I wouldn't' say it appears contributory at all, minus my one line about Llama. I mean the entire post was basically about Zebra and a book series. I have however, made a few on topic posts. Not many, but when I saw something worth pointing out I did. Which was mainly the video thing, besides that I can't think of anything else big. This phase has been fast with lots of pages, but a good portion doesn't seem to be note worthy. So the fact you point out one fluff post of myself when several people have fluff posts or almost no posts is strange.

DharmaHelper wrote:

sig wrote:I want an apology also, I'm not sure what I want it for, but by God I want one!

So I read the back and forth between Ricohet, Mac, and Zebra and honestly most of it went in one ear and out the other. I think Llama raises an interesting point about Mac, Zebra seems to be acting like Zebra. Rico seems to be posting a good amount of stuff.

What does everyone think of JJJ? He posted those voice messages, but after I raised my concern of them I don't recall anymore of his posts.

MacDougall wrote:Yes Ricochet is most certainly bullshitting hard. This is not my beautiful Ricochet.

Mac has a role from the TH game, or I'm getting my old people bands mixed up? :P

thellama73 wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Zebra (who is a girl)

Zebra (who is a girl)

I think that you think that I take myself more seriously than I actually do. Yes, I identify as a girl, no, I'm not going to antagonize anyone that doesn't agree.[/quote
I'll be the judge of that.

Well I mean she hasn't threatened to sue you, or accuse you of using improper pronouns, or kidnap you, lock you in a hole, keep you there for about 3 to 5 days, hang you from her second story house when she tells you that she is taking you upstairs to get a shower, and then after hanging you skin you to make a man suit for her to wear. (I in no way mean to be offensive so I hope nobody takes it that way, I truly doubt Zebra is a Serial Killer, BUT if she is I just want you to know Zebra I wouldn't make a very good victim at all and I'd never turn you in to the police when Llama's skinned body turns up in a river with a cocoon shoved up his throat )

So I'd say she was okay.

Nice fluff post here, broseph.

It is a good fluff post isn't it? I'm quite proud of it one of my better jokey/fluff posts.

thellama73 wrote:Right now I want to vote for SIg though, for that obvious fluff I pointed out earlier, and DH is pointing out now.

So I didn't take Dh post that serious, however know llama has also brought it up. What is wrong with some fluff day 1? I see lots of fluff day 1 this is quite suspicious to me. If I were to vote I'd consider Llama.

The book was better then the movie, but yes. :P .

I want an apology also, I'm not sure what I want it for, but by God I want one!

So I read the back and forth between Ricohet, Mac, and Zebra and honestly most of it went in one ear and out the other. I think Llama raises an interesting point about Mac, Zebra seems to be acting like Zebra. Rico seems to be posting a good amount of stuff.

What does everyone think of JJJ? He posted those voice messages, but after I raised my concern of them I don't recall anymore of his posts.

MacDougall wrote:Yes Ricochet is most certainly bullshitting hard. This is not my beautiful Ricochet.

Mac has a role from the TH game, or I'm getting my old people bands mixed up? :P

thellama73 wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Zebra (who is a girl)

Zebra (who is a girl)

I think that you think that I take myself more seriously than I actually do. Yes, I identify as a girl, no, I'm not going to antagonize anyone that doesn't agree.[/quote
I'll be the judge of that.

Well I mean she hasn't threatened to sue you, or accuse you of using improper pronouns, or kidnap you, lock you in a hole, keep you there for about 3 to 5 days, hang you from her second story house when she tells you that she is taking you upstairs to get a shower, and then after hanging you skin you to make a man suit for her to wear. (I in no way mean to be offensive so I hope nobody takes it that way, I truly doubt Zebra is a Serial Killer, BUT if she is I just want you to know Zebra I wouldn't make a very good victim at all and I'd never turn you in to the police when Llama's skinned body turns up in a river with a cocoon shoved up his throat )

So I'd say she was okay.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I feel like playing in Vocaroo right now. I voted for Watari.

DharmaHelper wrote:Why not. Let's talk RadicalFuzz and LoRab

DH you don't sound like I thought you would at all.

I find these Vocaroo's to be very pingy. I recall playing a game with Diiny recently on RYM where he said scum doing a voice recording makes them much less suspicious, (even though he was lynched day 1) This stuck with me and I recall JJJ is from RYM as well. So I think it is something to keep an eye on, in fact before what Diiny said occurred to me I thought doing a voice message seemed rather towny. So keeping an eye on JJJ and DH for these voice things.

Know for using an argument in voice this gives them an advantage. It is harder to quote, much harder. You won't actually see the post when doing an ISO thus harder to form a case against them or just look over their history.

Know in DH's first video thing he says he didn't plan anything ahead and was just going with it (more or less). This could be a totally lie if he is mafia I don't doubt he planned what he would say ahead of time. However, he can say he didn't. This also helps to cover any scum slips or potential misphrasing which would make them seem like mafia members, since they can always just use the excuse that they were talking and it it harder.

I might just be over reacting and over thinking this, but I think it was worth mentioning.

DH summery looks good though, which lessens some of my bad feelings about the audio.

I've read Death Note so I'm going to vote for Watari

I find this game scandalous so far. I'm not sure which option to vote on. I don't recall the role in Dune and I doubt it is Xander Crews as they are the people who had their heads blown up in Llama's game. (I think)