The Syndicate

I had expected to see more discussion or votes at this point. The lynch ends rather late (or early, 6am for me) so i have to set my alarm clock to see how the poll goes. *shakes fist at LC*

Atm i'd rather switch my vote to Dom. The case i made on Dom being Circle is better than the one i made on LoRab + atleast LoRab made an effort to defend herself. Also Dom cannot be NKd, while LoRab might be.

Dom wrote:...I will answer your post when you answer mine.

I asked first. Also i addressed your concern in the post you quoted.

Dom wrote:Why the hell should I just trust you? You've admitted to being a baddie. How do I know you and SVS aren't on the same team? How do I know this isn't a Cabal plot to win?

I did no such thing. Did you play the first A World Apart, Dom? I may have questionable priorities when it comes to 'the greater good', but i believe my deal with SVS will help to eliminate evil and suffering from the land

Draconus wrote:I'd rather just lynch Dom or SVS over Tranq, though.

Tbh i'd also rather lynch Dom over LoRab as LoRab might be NK'able while Dom is not. I know SVS agrees. But there seemed to be more momentum against LoRab, so
I'll change to Dom if you agree. We need a landslide lynch today.

How would having some vote changers convince me you guys aren't the biggest threat atm? It makes it worse

I didn't mean to ignore your post like Dom did to mine. I didn't have alot of time this morning. I'll look at it when i get home from work tonight.

Dom wrote:I'm not replying to Tranq's post because he admitted to actively made a deal with a baddie

You're not replying to my post because you know the case i made is correct

The deal i made with SVS is one of the better moves i made this game actually. She cannot win anymore, so the only thing she wants is revenge for MM. Which means dead Circles and i agree with that. I wouldn't trust a deal with most other baddie players, but this is SVS, we have history together and i trust her word. Eliminating the Circle first is the safest way to get a civ win.

I'm voting LoRab. I think she's Scrippleskits or Possessing Entity.

Forgot to include LoRab in your list?

Well, let's see. Let's ask everyone. Answering no wouldn't be against the rules.

Draconus, did you recruit Dom? Unlikely, given the btsc we shared and his suspicion of you Day 12.
fingersplints, did you recruit Dom? I guess not, as fingersplints is your Circle suspect.
Golden, did you recruit Dom? Unlikely, given Golden considered you a suspect Day 12 here and here.
LoRab, did you recruit Dom?
S~V~S, did you recruit Dom? Haha maybe it's S~V~S!
Sorsha, did you recruit Dom? I guess not, as Sorsha is your Circle suspect.

Let me guess, the player who recruited you is dead?

Also:

Tranq wrote:Dom, prove yourself. Make a good solid case against your top 2 Circle suspects.

The case i have on LoRab basically boils down to her being linked to Dom, and to her throwing Timmer under the bus when Golden first brought the Obsidian Dagger up on Day 6 when it looked like Timmer was going down, and then backing off until he made the Figurine mistake.

I haven't gone through all of their posts yet, but i don't need to dig deep to see Turnip Head only had 2 interactions with LoRab before TH's lynch Day 13:

Day 8:

Turnip Head wrote:Tell me more about your suspicion of sig, Lorab. Does the fact that he's dead make you suspect him more?

Day 9:

Turnip Head wrote:

LoRab wrote:Also votes can't be changed this round, it would seem.

That is an unfortunate turn of events.

Day 13:

Turnip Head wrote:

LoRab wrote:TH seems less and less likely to be good.

Is this a math joke?

This is it, literally nothing else until the day of his lynch in which i pushed hard to see TH lynched. I could dig deeper tonight, probably tomorrow. This is actually quite a bit of work

Why Dom is a Circle of Decay member:

Dom hasn't interacted with Timmer at all this game. He made 3 mentions of Timmer, before it became obvious Timmer lied about everything.

Day 7:

Dom wrote:I think Timmer might have been misrepresented. I was gone during his almost-lynch and the leaders of that lynch no longer seem to support a Timmer lynch, so I won't either.

Dom's first mention of Timmer v2. No thoughts on the Obsidian Dagger situation.

Day 9:

Dom wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Why aren't we lynching timmer anymore?timmer

I never fully understood the case against him. So

Dom's 2nd mention of Timmer. Doesn't get the case against him.

Day 10:

Dom wrote:I think I can trust LoRab and think you are very wrong about her.
I do not trust Matt F because he clearly has no idea what he's talking about.
Timmer? I could see. I'm more inclined to think Bass or FS are bad.

Dom's 3rd mention of Timmer. Now he does see something! Note this is the day Timmer brought up the Figurine story.

Night 10:

Dom wrote:Yikes.
I think it's pretty obvious why TH was not lynched instead of Timmer if you paid attention the other day.
Sorry guys. I just got home and caught up-- worked way more than expected. :/
TBH i'm confused by this whole situation and don't trust anyone involved. Matt F's witholding the knowledge sketches me out as much as Timmer's apparent murder.

4th mention. This post was made after the failed Timmer/TH lynch. His posts after this only focus on Bass-SVS-Matt, he makes no effort in trying to find Circle members. After Matt, getting rid of SVS and the Cabal NK is his only focus. I pointed out the flaws in his logic several times, you see how he reacted

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Timmer has 0 interactions with Dom. He mentioned him twice:

Day 8:

timmer wrote:So Mac... going through your posts, you've listed at various times about 8 people who you think are scum, but you've never stuck to one thought for more than about half a day. Can you clarify who you are most suspicious of, and why?

I also notice that you asked me about Dom way back. I have no opinion on him, like I've got no real opinion on most players in the game. I'm trying to catch up here, though.

One neutral post on Dom, and one agreeing with Dom:

Day 8:

timmer wrote:Dom's got a decent point. If you are paying attention enough to have people you trust, you must have people you don't trust, Bass. If you aren't paying enough attention to have any suspicions, how do you have people you trust?

Conclusion: Timmer and Dom are teammates.

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Turnip Head's interactions with Dom:

He had several interactions early in the game until Day 5. Then his early-game suspicion of Dom stopped. I suspect the earliest they recruited him was Night 5.

Day 9:

Turnip Head wrote:

Dom wrote:I'm feeling good about Golden, I think. I'm looking at you, FS, and Wildgy. I'm on the fence about most players.


This however, STILL does not answer the question I asked you.

What makes you feel good about Golden?

I agree with you about splintsy and to a lesser extent Bass. What do you see in Wilgy? He's a bit of an enigma to me.

First interaction/mention post-recruitment. Asks an innocent question.

Day 10: This happened after Night 9, the "failed" Circle NK on Dom:

Turnip Head wrote:I suspect you because none of your cases have been thread based (until now I guess ). You went after solely MM and me for days on end, based on assuming MM was an indy Dr. Dre... I think that is exactly the type of case a baddie would want to push. Then you moved onto Dom, you asked him if he had been recruited during the Night, and quickly voted for him today, again this is not a case that seems to be based on anything happening in the thread. Combined with the Circle kill attempt on Dom, it feels like they want him out.

TH shares Dom's suspicion of Matt and accuses Matt of attempting to NK Dom.

Day 12:
The limited Dom-Matt-TH poll option lynch:

Turnip Head wrote:I will be voting for either Dom or Matt today.[/obviousolive]

Matt, why are you voting for yourself if you're an important civvie on an important quest? How can you be sure that Dom wasn't recruited by a civilian? And why does your first suspicion of Dom come 4 RL days after your quest had failed? You said your quest failed on Night 7, but your first mention of Dom as suspicious comes on Night 9, the same night the Circle of Decay failed to kill Dom, and you have only accused him more heavily since that kill failed.

Dom, why are you getting defensive over Matt knowing your role and accusing you of being recruited? From my point of view you should be defensive over your alignment, not your role. What exactly is Matt lying about? Did you trust him until he accused you?

I think you both could be bad

Obligatory questioning of Dom. Followed by these two:

Turnip Head wrote:Dom too ignored my questions directed at him. I think Dom looks bad for making a big stink about Matt "outing" him. Even being outed, Dom should have nothing to fear if he's civvie. He's getting defensive over Matt outing him but he's not getting defensive over his alignment, which makes me think he has something to hide.

They've both accused each other of lying, so something's gotta give there. I don't know which I'm voting for yet, I think there's a chance they both could be bad, and they're both better options than me today.

Turnip Head wrote:

Matt wrote:Oh, and at this point, I've said all I can about Dom really. He tried to say he didn't send me to fetch the Gem, then backtracked. He knows my role yet insists on lynching me. I mean, once everyone else sees my role, if I'm lynched, I hope you take the time to consider how utterly preposterous it is to think I'm bad.

So, you have nothing more to say about Dom, thereby dodging my questions... and then you proceed to accuse Dom some more.

Why would Dom lie about sending you to fetch the Gem? I must have missed that bit... it was a dense read

He mentions Dom, but he doesn't attack. He defends Dom by attacking Matt. That lynch poll only had 1 civvie and 2 circles on it, so they ganged up on Matt.

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Dom's interactions with Turnip Head:

Day 7: Agrees with TH on juliets. http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 81#p198381
Day 9: See above. Answers a question asked by TH. http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 21#p200121
Day 10:

Dom wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:I wonder if Bass genuinely doesn't know what the case against him is because he hasn't read :P But boiling it down to being a low poster is inaccurate and no excuse. My biggest concerns with him are still his vaguely justified Canuck vote and now the fact that he won't tell us who he thinks is bad except to NO U Sorsha.

Lest we forget "two days in a row is bad"-gate

Agrees with TH's suspicion on Bass. Note how they tend to have similar suspicions.
Night 10:

Dom wrote:Yikes.
I think it's pretty obvious why TH was not lynched instead of Timmer if you paid attention the other day.

Comments on the obviousness of TH being not-lynched instead of Timmer, despite never once addressing the TH-poison issue before.

Dom wrote:

S~V~S wrote:I think lynching Matt before TH is putting the cart before the horse. The main reason I suspect him is the connection to Timmer, and subsequently to TH. The only person he could have been saving with that list is TH.

Where do you see a tie between TH and Timmer? That's where I lose you.

Doesn't see the TH-Timmer connection.

Dom wrote:No because I'm not sure I suspect TH in the first place. I think Matt might've thrown Timmer under the bus to gain cred.

Doesn't suspect TH.
Day 11: nothing

Day 12:

Dom wrote:Teammates? Maybe TH... maaaaybe Matt.... not sure.

Very first mention of TH as a possible Circle suspect. Because i asked him to.

Day 13:

Dom wrote:Timmer's teammates are probably TH? Maybe Sorsha.

Because i asked him again. Dom focusses all his energy to not lynch Circle members. Only when directly asked he's forced to name someone. Sorsha isn't a Circle member, fingersplints isn't one either.

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I'm not gonna bother going through the Dom vs Matt stuff. Clearly one of you got caught in a lie, and it wasn't Matt.

Dom, prove yourself. Make a good solid case against your top 2 Circle suspects.

Yes

Golden wrote:

fingersplints wrote:Of course I am a bit paranoid about you pushing this though. If I am wrong and it isn't SVS that means it's you

Tranq is making me paranoid too. He has felt like he has an agenda for a while, to me way more than SVS does actually.

My agenda is to lynch SVS as the very last baddie alive. Because imo it's the safest way to get a civ win, and because she and i made a mutual understanding

Dom post coming up!

Draconus wrote:

fingersplints wrote:I agree with you about the rest just trying to work out the numbers. I'm not sure why Lorab is cleared by some. I'd always rather lynch original baddie over recruit - so I guess my lynch options would look Lorab > SVS > Dom

I agree with the bolded. We'll need landslide lynches now, so hopefully Golden and Sorsha are on the same page as us.

I agree, landslide lynches. I'd like to hear Golden's thoughts aswell.

4 Civs vs 2 Circles

So, MM and Timmer are dead. It still makes more sense to lynch another member of the Circle first.
SVS is a one-woman team at this point. Timmer had 3 teammates who helped him get off the poll. If he only had 2, another 3rd player would've gotten a PM asking them to take Timmer off the poll. I suspect they recruited the Living Statue, and have Scrippleskitz or Possessing Entity still alive. I'm not willing to give them the Cabal's NK tonight. With an SVS lynch and a civ NK, they're standing 4 vs 2. If they have Scrippleskitz, they win. If they have Possessing Entity, and the role is similar to the version in A World Apart, they potentially have a lynch deflection. They'd win.

Dom is the most obvious Circle of Decay member. I suspect LoRab is aswell. I think she recruited him. Their thread behaviour links them together and they both have connections to Timmer and Turnip Head aswell. I'll make a post on them in a bit.

I don't suspect Sorsha at this point. One could say the game has come full circle

Dom wrote:So... an SVS lynch?

How about we lynch one of the two remaining Circle members before giving them the Cabal NK?

lolwat

Yeah. 5x votes for MM and 6x votes for TH

Theme Park sounds fun.

Dom wrote:....some people have some explaining to do.

Who?

Read my posts, Dom. I said the Circle could NK MM, not NK SVS.
Why didn't you reply to the question i asked here: http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 60#p204938

- The Circle could NK MM. Let's say they have no other targets other than MM, why wouldn't they NK him? I guess if they had no other targets they could try to NK you again
- We could lynch SVS as the very last baddie and end the game with MM still alive.

Neither of these are fool proof ideas but at the very least i want to reduce Circle numbers until Timmer appears on the poll again.

I think you're Circle, fwiw. I think Matt was right about you. I don't expect you to change your vote. You clearly aren't considering any option other than not lynching a Circle today

Golden wrote:

Tranq wrote:Well, Timmer voted you on Day 10. Maybe we should test your theory by asking the Golem to NK Timmer tonight?

Testing the theory would require us to lynch neither MM or TH, so I'm not in support of that.

Testing the theory wouldn't require TH to be alive. It was a joke anyway.

Golden wrote:I'm not quite as worried about lylo as you are clearly, I feel like we have to play it smart to pick off both teams, its the possibility of a serial killer and its extra kill that is an extra factor outside of the town and lynches that I've most worried about right now.

I admit i might be getting paranoid here But yeah, i think today is Circle or lose tbh. At this point i actually think TH might stop/survive a lynch again:

Turnip Head wrote:I was poisoned on night 1 but after assembling a few pieces of an item I was able to construct an apparatus that could keep me safe.

If this is true, TH using an apparatus to keep him safe, then that means the Circle could potentially still have the Lich's 1x lynch stop.
I'm actually thinking Timmer is the Lich at this point. He voted a poisoned TH to "save himself" and used his 1x lynch stop to stop the TH lynch. Which would mean TH still has this apparatus that could keep him safe. It's also possible he lied about this apparatus, i guess.

@ LoRab: Does the list of items include an item that sounds like the one TH claims he used?

Well, Timmer voted you on Day 10. Maybe we should test your theory by asking the Golem to NK Timmer tonight?

Also i don't see how any of this Mac Secret Role stuff is relevant to today's lynch

Dom wrote:

Tranq wrote:

Dom wrote:

Tranq wrote: - lynch a role nobody needs dead

The only way you don't need his role dead is if you are Cabal.

Wrong. Read the roles :P

@ Hosts: Would the civvies need the Tarnished Golem dead if he chose a baddie as his watched over player?

No, I think you need to read the roles.

Having reread the roles, i stand by my point
We need a Circle lynch today. Dom, please explain your thought process on your vote in light of LC's confirmation and the question i asked you here: http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 60#p204938

Turnip Head wrote:Tranq, you think Lorab is bad, and that Wilgy's flip was Trickster influenced... which team do you think Lorab is on, and which team is the Trickster on? Lorab is the only player I can see negatively benefiting from a Tricky Wilgy flip. Do you think the Trickster changed Wilgy's alignment to make Lorab look bad?

I'm not convinced on LoRab being bad. I wouldn't put money on it at this point. I see several scenarios in which LoRab could be civvie. I see several scenarios in which LoRab could be bad. My opinion on her largely depends on which why she ends up voting today. I also didn't say Wilgy's flip was Trickster influenced, i said it could be. Because it could be. Wilgy didn't sound like his civvie self at all, plus he was revealed as having a role that could've easily prevented his own lynch. I'm considering all options.

Turnip Head wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Tranq wrote:@ Hosts: Would the civvies need the Tarnished Golem dead if he chose a baddie as his watched over player?

No team needs the Tarnished Golem dead to win. He mimics the Win Condition of the player he's watching over, but doesn't technically join their team.

Is this the answer you were looking for Tranq? No we don't need the Golem dead. I suppose we can ask him nicely to not kill anyone and lose the game for himself.

Wait, i thought the Golem is protecting you? How would he lose the game if you claim to be civ?

Golden wrote:Sorry - I haven't put very much eye on this thread recently, I've been too focussed on the other game. My bad. I'm going to try and get back into this one shortly. It's just that the other has been taking a lot of my energy.

Jesus. Here i think we're in a possibly LYLO situation and you're off playing other games

Where do you think your vote is going to?
What do you think of the Golem protecting TH? :P

Turnip Head wrote:See, I don't think Tranq is a civvie at all I think he's on the same team as the Trickster, and they fudged Floyd's flip to lure us into a false sense of security. I do not think Floyd was bad, but he flipped bad, and Tranq was his harshest critic. As such, I doubt that team is only down to one member. His logic for going after Circle today is sound, but he's going after the wrong target in me, and he might have an ulterior motive in trying to keep SVS alive.

Tranq, do you know how you were rezzed? Who brought you back2lyfe?

If the Trickster is responsible for Floyd's flip (which is an if), i'd say it was to give Draconus or DFaraday some cred. They had been voting Floyd with me since i got rezzed and started voting Floyd. I feel like i can trust Draconus so i'm considering DFaraday as a possible dead Cabal. A better use of the Trickster ability would've been to mask DrWilgy's flip.

Either way, nice try

Yes i know how i was rezzed. My own actions brought me back

TH: You say my logic for going after the Circle today is sound. Who do you think Timmer's 2-3 teammates are? Where do you think your vote is going to?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Tranq wrote:@ MM: How realistic do you think the odds of a Sorsha lynch are today? I'd say pretty low, and i'm not even fully convinced she's bad atm. Vote TH if you want to lynch a Circle member.

Which reminds me. Golden, did you learn anything from your backtracking of Sorsha?

You keep telling me I can't win, yet you want me to do what you say?

I said if you want to lynch a Circle. If you'd rather see yourself lynched today, well that's up to you

LoRab wrote:I agree it makes more sense to lynch circle. But I also don't think we can depend on them to kill who we want to.

What makes you think that I'm circle?

Timmer has atleast 2-3 teammembers left. If it isn't Sorsha, then given his behavior Dom would make the most sense and as i think you and Dom are on the same team, that means you aswell. It's also possible you are civ and wrong about Dom. Or you are Circle and are playing him. Either way, my suspicion of you isn't set in stone and you helping to lynch a Circle member today could clear things up.

You said you agree it makes more sense to lynch Circle today. Where do you think your vote is going to?

In light of Matt's flip, what do you think of the Dom vs Matt stuff?

@ TH: Hmm. If the Golem is protecting you, then you shouldn't have any problem voting SVS today, right?

Dom wrote:

Tranq wrote: - lynch a role nobody needs dead

The only way you don't need his role dead is if you are Cabal.

Wrong. Read the roles :P

@ Hosts: Would the civvies need the Tarnished Golem dead if he chose a baddie as his watched over player?

@ MM: How realistic do you think the odds of a Sorsha lynch are today? I'd say pretty low, and i'm not even fully convinced she's bad atm. Vote TH if you want to lynch a Circle member.

Which reminds me. Golden, did you learn anything from your backtracking of Sorsha?

Dom wrote:

fingersplints wrote:

Dom wrote:Tranq, why do you trust that the Circle will do the civvie's job?

I don't think we should trust them to do it either, but I don't know which team we would be better to lynch either.

Cabal.
Why?
Because if we mislynch and vote SVS we're in a world of hurt.

Explain this please.

Dom, i'll ask the same to you as i asked Sorsha:

Your plan atm is the following:
- lynch a role nobody needs dead
- let the Circle NK someone
- lynch SVS
- let the Circle NK someone
- at which point we have 7 players alive including 3-4 Circle members. If there's 4 it's game over. If it's 3 and one of them is Skrippleskitz, it's game over. If it's 3 and one of them is the Lich and he still has his lynch stop, it's game over. If it's 3 and they have 1 single vote manipulation, it's game over.

How is this a better plan than lynching one of the Circle Jerks today?

@ Golden: No, i don't know Typhoony's role.
@ LoRab: I don't have a role slotted for you. Only an alignment guess. Which may or may not be correct. Who do you think Timmer's 2-3 teammates are?

Dom wrote:But why would Circle kill them? I don't expect them to cooperate with us.

LoRab wrote:I don't think we can depend on Circle to take care of kills for us.

Dom wrote:Tranq, why do you trust that the Circle will do the civvie's job?

Looking back, i need to point out i gave seperate options on how to deal with the Cabal. I can see how they way i posted it made it look like a 3-step plan, but it isn't

Here's a better explained version:

There are several ways around having to deal with the Cabal:
1. Circle NKs MM, lynches SVS
2. OR, Circle NKs MM, NKs SVS
3. OR, we eliminate Circle and lynch SVS. The game ends with a civ win, while MM doesn't. We don't need his role dead to win the game.

and there's another (less likely) one:
4. we strategically lynch SVS by only letting roles with NK protection vote for SVS, while the rest of us spreads the vote or doesn't vote

Why would the Circle NK the Cabal? To get the only thing standing in their way to a win, the Cabal NK. Is it the option most likely to happen? No. I think option 3 is. At the very least we need to get the Circle numbers down to 2 so Timmer can be on the poll again.
Ask me again tomorrow and i might change my mind. It depends on the lynches/NKs. But as of today, Day 13, 11 players left, there's no way lynching a role we don't need dead is the best move to getting a civ win.

Draconus wrote:Tranq, you clever bunny. I will contribute to a TH lynch, of course.

TH ofcourse. I've already voted for him

The SK is a SK without a K atm. Vanilla, basically. How are you getting a 3 v 3 scenario? Who's the extra Cabal? Who's the dead Circle? I had Typhoony down as a dead Circle for a while but now i doubt that's true. They might even have their full team intact. I don't see how anything other than a Circle lynch today is a good plan.

I don't think anyone paying attention to the thread can be in doubt of MM's role.

Did you read the conversation i just had with Sorsha?

Golden wrote:If you believe SVS killed you today, I also think MM is the right choice for a lynch.

You can't be serious

We don't. But it beats the alternative
Aye, i agree. Once Timmer is on the poll again he should only have 1 teammate left. At that point we should consider the Cabal situation again.

Yes i can. We weren't on the same square anymore when the kill attempt happened

Sorsha wrote:To ensure our safety after eliminating the Cabal, MM needs to go first. I don't see a way around it.

And is there a way to remove a player from the poll in the hall of mirrors? If there is then maybe there are fewer circle than I thought.

There are several ways around it.
- Circle NKs MM
- Circle NKs SVS
- We eliminate Circle and lynch SVS

Name 1 dead Circle. Name 2 dead Circles.

Tbh you aren't doing a very good job convincing me you aren't Circle after all. I don't want to believe it, but this doesn't sound like a Sorsha trying to get a civ win.

Your plan atm is the following:
- lynch a role nobody needs dead
- let the Circle NK someone
- lynch SVS
- let the Circle NK someone
- at which point we have 7 players alive including 3-4 Circle members. If there's 4 it's game over. If it's 3 we have to hope Skrippletitz is dead or it's game over.

How is this a better plan than lynching one of the Circle Jerks today?

Cabal? Yes.
MM's role? No. The game can perfectly end with a civ win and with MM still being alive. MM wouldn't win, but the game would end

Sorsha wrote:

Tranq wrote:lol @ the random votes already. Timmer is off the poll again. Again, was anyone asked if they wanted to take him off the poll? He has to have 2 or 3 teammates helping him out.

We need a landslide Circle lynch today or the game will be over soon. TH is our best bet at that, let's just hope he isn't Scrippleskitz.
Dom: Why aren't you voting TH? Name your best guess at Timmer's 2-3 teammates.
Sorsha: Why aren't you voting TH? Name your best guess at Timmer's 2-3 teammates.
MM: Why aren't you voting TH? Name your best guess at Timmer's 2-3 teammates.

Is TH confirmed baddie?

What do you think of SVS, MM and LoRab?

Yes he is imo. Have you read his latest posts? He and Timmer aren't even bothering anymore

SVS - Cabal
MM - a role i don't need dead to win. A role you don't need dead either.
LoRab - probably Circle. If y'all had voted Master Thief in the night poll, i could've been more sure. Now i'm wondering if you could fit in LoRab's slot. Or Dom.

What's your best guess at Timmer's 2-3 teammates?

lol @ the random votes already. Timmer is off the poll again. Again, was anyone asked if they wanted to take him off the poll? He has to have 2 or 3 teammates helping him out.

We need a landslide Circle lynch today or the game will be over soon. TH is our best bet at that, let's just hope he isn't Scrippleskitz.
Dom: Why aren't you voting TH? Name your best guess at Timmer's 2-3 teammates.
Sorsha: Why aren't you voting TH? Name your best guess at Timmer's 2-3 teammates.
MM: Why aren't you voting TH? Name your best guess at Timmer's 2-3 teammates.

Golden wrote:@Draconus - I don't know, but for me it would avoid the necessity for two lynches, so it would be a pretty big swing.

Plus, you know what I mean when I say I could double back and get the Master Thief in other ways. With the trickster, I feel blind.

Maybe you could double back on the Master Thief, but i can't. Knowing whether or not that role is 100% good or bad without a doubt would be a huge help.
Also, who says the Trickster can't fake his appearance from this poll?

@ Golden: I don't blame you. I'm also considering all options at this moment
Do you think Timmer-TH-LoRab is a possibility, with Dom being civ and SVS being Cabal?

I trust Draco fwiw.

The thing is, i think Dom and LoRab are linked together. I think they're either civvie together, or baddies together.
If they're civvie together or Cabal, i'm at a loss as to Timmer's final teammate. Which is making me consider Master Thief as being one of them. I mean, i doubt it, but i don't like considering it.

What are your thoughts on Draco's post about figuring out who we can trust 100% being more important than figuring out which baddie team the Trickster is on? Would you be willing to change your poll vote?

I could easily see the Circle NK'ing Dom, knowing he'd survive, if they had no other targets in range. Especially since last time they had a kill, they apparently chose not to kill.

Draconus wrote:I'm pretty sure the Soul Shade is dead.

Which team do you think the Soul Shade was on?

I'm thinking this could be a pretty straightforward poll. 1 civvie, 1 cabal, 1 circle

Atleast 2 players have to be helping him. Possibly 3. If Timmer only has 2 teammates left, someone else should've gotten a vote in taking him off the poll.

@ Everyone: Was anyone asked if they agreed to taking Timmer off the poll?

@Sorsha: You've mostly been focussing on the Cabal recently. I don't think your theory is wrong as i have either SVS or Dom down as Cabal. What are your thoughts on the Circle? How sure are you about Dom? How many teammates do you think Timmer has left and who do you think they are?

@Golden: How sure are you about Dom? I have him as a possibility for both teams.

Draconus wrote:I just said a bunch of words out loud that I would not be comfortable posting on any website.

That aside Matt. I'm sorry. I don't know who to trust anymore, and it's giving me very mixed emotions. I'm voting with MM for the Thief. No offense meant to any player in particular. I just have to know who I can trust. Why not the others? I think it's pretty clear what alignment the Trickster holds (and I wouldn't be surprised at all if the answer we get is a lie). I'm pretty sure the Soul Shade is dead. So let's not waste this vote.

I agree with this. Knowing who to trust is key at this point.

You know nothing, Draconus!

Well i'm off to sleep. Sticking with my original thought and voting TH

How far away is it from the poll square? Assuming you know where that is, ofcourse