The Syndicate

I hate being mafia so much. Thank god it's over!!

Epignosis wrote:If Cookie is Xander Crews, I'll fling poo.

Lol

Well damn guys :/
Why is everyone voting for me for being flip floppy? Nearly everyone changes their suspicions against someone at some point. (Look at Timmer, he suspected SVS and that suspicion changed with no real reasoning from Timmer).

This is such a town loss if I die.

@Epi - Probably not.

I went ahead and voted for Timmer because I have to go.

@Roxy, sorry, I still get people mixed up with one another so I made a mistake in thinking you both said I was fluffing.

nijuukyugou wrote:So many choices. I thought there would be more votes up given that several have announced their vote in the thread, but there are only 5 total so far? Huh.

Feeling slightly, slightly better about Made regarding tone, but that could be just him fixin' it up for me Thoughts on timmer haven't changed since I last spoke of him. Then this happens:

Roxy wrote:I have so many that I am willing to vote for today: Saberfish, MP, Cookie, Burger Boy, Made, Bubbles or DP if he does not answer my question

Linky - oooooo Now you are suspicious of Timmer------again after you said after reading back you did not find him suspicious?
Yes, this caught my eye as well. Trying to look more contributory, Cookie McNasty? I pointed out these same exactly things (minus the most recent quotes) when I voted him last and you made no comment on them then.

So should I or should I not be posting my thoughts? The way you and Roxy make it seem is that I shouldn't be posting my thoughts, yet when I do post, it's called "fluff" (I don't even know what that means).

I did not see your post about Timmer. I can check back and look, though. Did he answer you on anything?

Roxy wrote:Cookie -
Lemme clarify - you said you found some of his posts strange and would re-read him. After you re-read him you said they seemed less suspicious and would be keeping an eye on him.

I know what I said. There's no need to clarify anything to me. I found him suspicious, then I reread it and thought I was just reading into him too far, but then I decided to post my thoughts. I never stopped finding him suspicious.

My vote will either go to Made or Timmer.

As for Timmer's posts, these stand out to me:

timmer wrote:Sorry guys, I didn't realize that we had started!

I'm a little pinged by the fact that SVS apparently misread the roles, since her reply to Long Con about the Xtacles isn't accurate. But I suppose that's a ping that doesn't really indicate an alignment so I'm not sure where to go with it. I'll tune in more tomorrow night. Game on!

Why is that a ping for you? We all make mistakes.

timmer wrote:Hey all, so reading back, I've got decent vibes from SVS (the point about Epig maybe not being drunk is interesting), I'm not sure I understand voting for Long Con, so MM gets a bit of a from me, as it was pointed out that the reasoning was weak. Scotty seems to be not enjoying the attention he is getting... do people who know his play style well have an opinion on whether this indicates a certain alignment?

You got decent vibes from SVS because SVS suggests that Epi may not be drunk? What changed your mind?
Everyone's reasoning for voting anyone D1 is weak.

timmer wrote:What if sig is xander?

Cookie sounds good enough to me.

Anybody could be Xander. I could be Xander, yet you still voted for me. I dn't understand why you've posted this and you were following Epi's suggestion for voting me which is also weak (this is strange because you called MM out for voting someone for a weak reason in the previous quote).

timmer wrote:I voted for Saber.

For what reason?

I'm not trying to pick on you but everything about your posts just seem scummy to me.

Anyway, I promised I would post my thoughts on Timmer later, but I was just going to do it now. I was reading all of his posts again and they seem less suspicious as when I read them earlier. I don't have much to say on him anymore. I'm still keeping my eye on him though.

I nominate DH for being our town translator.

I just see "Add Made to your list.... He speciically called me out demanding non-8-Ball responses"

Made wrote:Gonna pull a poor man's MP

YO GMAN
Why did you vote for EPH. IF you don't give an answer--a non8ball answer--you''ll be put on the top of my i vote for you if no one better comes up list (there's a slot for that on my spreadsheet!)

AYYY DH,
Who would you of voted for yesterday had you not checked to see if votes were changeable?

Does Gman want us to suspect Made for this post and suddenly having Gman be insanified?

G-Man wrote:
Epignosis wrote:Cookie
Hamburger Boy
Ika
Mac's Mom
Saberfish
Sig
TinyBubbles

Seven new people who would not know the dynamics.

This will be my focus.

Epignosis wrote:Oh, and timmer.
Add Made to your list to for the saving incredibility deoxidization above. Mad Hatter He speciically called me out demanding non-8-Ball responses, so there's a chance he Knave of Hearts I had been insanified phrensy the day.

There's no way to decode insanified posts, is there? I spent a good 5 minutes earlier looking for something.
I'm assuming Gman is insanified, anyway.

DharmaHelper wrote:Anybody else have their page get shit on after G-Man's last post?

Yup, I was confused.

Lets Start with the Epignosis Voters

1. DharmaHelper (1st Vote, reasoning here) Definitely a civ. Moving on.

2. G-Man (14th vote, no discernible reason. At the time: Epi, Cookie x2, Long Con x2, Scotty, Timmer x2, Sig x2, MP, MM, Mac's Mom)

Conclusions (And Read): G-Man's vote kept Epi in contention at a time when 4 other players had at least two votes. Unfortunate for a number of reasons, not least of which is that because there were so many votes for so many different people, it's difficult to say if G-Man's vote was in particular helping out a teammate. G-Man also gives no reason that I could find for his vote. As a side note, should G-Man continue the 8-Ball gimmick, I will vote to lynch him. It is not so much a gimmick as a restriction, and posting restrictions are what mafia do to civvies to cut down on discussion. Doing it to himself just makes everything more difficult for everyone. Sorry dude, better luck with your next gimmick.

Did Gman ever say specifically why he was playing like that? Would mafia choose such an attention-grabbing technique of playing the game? Did he say he was going to do the 8-ball thing before the game started or after, when he learned of his role?

2. Timmer (9th Vote, Reason given here At the Time: Epi, Cookie, Long Con x2 Scotty, Timmer, Sig x2,

Conclusion (And Read): Timmer is hiding. I don't like how he pushed responsibility for his vote out into the thread. He'd expressed interest in Scotty, and Scotty had a vote when he was about to vote, so that he'd dump onto Cookie, whom he'd never brought up before (I believe, I've been typing this all out for a while, I could be wrong) doesn't sit well with me.

I agree with your analysis of Timmer. I found it strange that he voted for me when all Epi was saying was that I was acting the same. I also find some of the things Timmer says to be.. strange. I will post about it later because I have to go for now, but Timmer will likely get my vote if nothing stronger comes up.

DharmaHelper wrote:
Cookie wrote:Either the mafia didn't think very hard on which player they should kill or they killed someone they thought had a threatening role. Did Elo give off any indication to what her role was or how she felt about it?

Are we reading too far into the NK?
Are we not reading far enough into it?

How far are we going to go with it?

MovingPictures07 wrote:Hey all. I really hate to do this, especially as a guy who really despises self voting in many of its forms, but I have fallen very ill, and won't be able to even think about playing until I get better. Sadly, I was counting on every day to accomplish all my wedding and PhD work, and was already feeling behind. Wasn't anticipating getting sick. So once I am feeling better, that will take utmost priority.

I apologize, I'll be back into the game as soon as I can.

Oh no, feel better soon! Hope everything is OK.

Insanified.. That's quite funny considering he was only doing 8-ball responses.

G-Man what.. LOL

Either the mafia didn't think very hard on which player they should kill or they killed someone they thought had a threatening role. Did Elo give off any indication to what her role was or how she felt about it?

Are we reading too far into the NK?

DharmaHelper wrote:
Epignosis wrote:Nah, I'm rethinking this.

Over dark rum.

Elohcin was killed on Night 1?

This tells me the killers are new fish. Elohcin has never been killed Night 1 that I can remember. Nobody ever feels threatened by her. She gets lynched for stupid reasons. Last game she played, she was silenced and got lynched anyway.

No. This is the work of newer fish.

Roxy, vote a new person, would ya?
This is only Cookie's second game on this site.

But... I lasted until like.. day 8 or something as mafia soo... The NK doesn't suggest anything about me.

Long Con wrote:
Cookie wrote:Can anybody explain to me what the deal is with people using adverbs? I don't understand why it makes someone appear bad.
I don't suspect all adverbs, but I recognize that they can be red flags.

You can "just say something" or you can "craft a sentence". Civvies aren't trying to deceive everyone, so they are free to just say things. Baddies are trying to deceive everyone, so they may tend more toward crafting sentences. "Trying to sound Civvie", is one way of putting it.

Here's how I see the Scotty adverb thing - when he says "I honestly don't think you're on Crews' team", it feels like he's crafting it. An honest man doesn't need to tell everyone how honest he is.

Oh. Thanks for this explanation. That makes a lot of sense.

DharmaHelper wrote:
Cookie wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:Epi won't be getting my vote for some time. He's making nonsense points and ignoring actual suspects. Clearly civvie Epi.
Do you have enough experience with him to call this a civvie move? I mean, all Epi has done is insist I am lynched.

@My most recent post for Scotty asking why he only considered a few angles for KF, he answered it later on so nevermind!
When you get a chance, read Death Note mafia.

Where can I find that?

Long Con wrote:G-Man, how about some opinions? Do you want me to try to set you up for answers?

Do you think any of these players are baddies:

Epignosis?

Scotty?

DharmaHelper?

Long Con?

Tiny Bubbles?

Sig?

Nijuu?

Is this the list of people you suspect the most?

DharmaHelper wrote:Epi won't be getting my vote for some time. He's making nonsense points and ignoring actual suspects. Clearly civvie Epi.

Do you have enough experience with him to call this a civvie move? I mean, all Epi has done is insist I am lynched.

@My most recent post for Scotty asking why he only considered a few angles for KF, he answered it later on so nevermind!

Scotty wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Well, I have a really busy few days ahead of me between PhD work and wedding planning. Daisy flies out Saturday morning, then I fly out Wednesday morning, gotta have everything PhD done by then. Very likely won't be back until Day 2. Not sure how active I'll be going forward, but I know how much of an addict I am, and I'll try, so I'll inevitably still probably have a fair amount of posts. Night folks.
Do yo thing man, you're about to get chained up married!

MovingPictures07 wrote:Scotty, I didn't NK you in Watchmen, no, but I heavily suspected you at end of Day 1 going into Night 1, and it seems like the civilian ninja agreed with me.

I was watching the vote specifically, saw Cookie voted, so didn't vote sig for that specific reason. Otherwise, I would have voted sig, actually, to tie up a no show. I learned from Watchmen to more closely watch the vote if I was going to wait until the last minute possible to cast it. Kept pressing F5. :P

I don't follow. How would Epi's assessment make me look more suspicious?
If you knew Cookie had already tied it up, why throw your vote to LC- which you said you empathized with me as a reason for voting him- instead of any willy-nilly place? I assumed your purpose was to tie up the vote, like you said, but because you didn't realize Cookie had already done that.

So now that I know you knew Cookie had done that, it makes you look suspicious to me.
Now couple that with the fact that you agree with Epi's assessment in regards to hiding the vote if you were Killface. It may not be a bad strategy to throw in another last minute tie if you wanted to build cred (knowing MM will flip good) and look like Mm just lost on a a bad roll of the death die.
That's one theory.

I'll revisit this as we go along, and that isn't enough for me to make you a top suspect or anything, just an observation that could be fishy. I don't have a rainbow list, but I'm putting you at slight mafia read right now. That could change.

Killface is exposed nonetheless this vote. Since his votes do count double, We can safely say the following people are mathematically impossible to be KF:
-Elohcin
-Mac's Mom
-Cookie
-Scotty
-Moving Pictures

I would also conjecture that he would be best served either voting later on someone that wasn't getting traction, or if voting early with the assumption that his teammates would have his back in hiding him later on.

Or it's sig. Which would just be hilarious.

Thanks for organizing this. If no one else had addressed the KF possibilities, I was going to do that (I had hoped that by the time I got home from work someone else would have done it, so thanks!).

These players are definitely not KF but that doesn't stop them being baddies. I need to keep this in mind while I'm assessing everything.

Scotty wrote:I would also add that in my opinion, KF didn't vote for MM, and if he did, it's SVS.
No, KF probably did vote early, on someone who probably wasn't going to gain any traction, based on weak reasoning.

People that fit this bill to me:
-LongCon
-Epi
-Dharma

Those are my candidates right now for Killface.

More later. Now to bed.

Why are you so easily ruling out any other possibilities for who is KF? There are many angles to look at it.
(Adding to this post, I see a few people have offered other suggestions of who could be KF).

Made wrote:Too late, made one, itz so pretty. From those that do use spreadsheets, what kinda of data do you usually track?

Prove it :B

Can anybody explain to me what the deal is with people using adverbs? I don't understand why it makes someone appear bad.

Also, is Mac's mom just having fun or does she always talk like that?

Epignosis wrote:
Cookie wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:MP, did you see what I said about Cookie?
Yeah, I don't recall much other than you saying she's uncomfortable when bad though. Was there anything else?
She is a self-described comfortable civilian who can find Mafia.

I have not seen that here.
Epi, it's Day 1 and you've been on my case this entire time. There's no information to go off.
I have information.

It's called "hosting you."

I literally said one thing before you jumped. And you've hosted me once, my first game ever on an actual website designed to play mafia, with players who are overwhelmingly intimidating and who type too much (in that game, anyway). Come back to me when you have a basis for your suspicion and then we can chat!

Epignosis wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:MP, did you see what I said about Cookie?
Yeah, I don't recall much other than you saying she's uncomfortable when bad though. Was there anything else?
She is a self-described comfortable civilian who can find Mafia.

I have not seen that here.

Epi, it's Day 1 and you've been on my case this entire time. There's no information to go off.

Voted Sig

Scotty wrote:9 left to vote.

My bet is still intact.

I'm going to vote. I'm waiting in case I need to save myself.

Epignosis wrote:Cookie doesn't like being bad. It makes her uncomfortable.

Cookie feels she is a more accomplished and confident civilian.

Which jar do you think this Cookie falls into?

Cookie wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Alright, game-related question for everyone:

What do folks make of DH's vote for Epi? Does it say anything about alignment for you, however small?

I have to get back to being frisky with my PhD work, so I'll be back at some point, IDK when.
Like SVS said, it could be a reaction. From a different angle, could also be very early bussing of a teammate? Could be just random, since that's what pretty much everyone will end up doing on Day 1. Too many possibilities to speculate.

Time will tell!
Naming all the possibilities that come to mind...doesn't answer the question.

I say this Cookie is foul, like a burnt peanut butter one that won't come off the pan.

I'm actually one of those soft&chewy cookies fresh out of the oven with melted chocolate chips. So freaking good.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Alright, game-related question for everyone:

What do folks make of DH's vote for Epi? Does it say anything about alignment for you, however small?

I have to get back to being frisky with my PhD work, so I'll be back at some point, IDK when.

Like SVS said, it could be a reaction. From a different angle, could also be very early bussing of a teammate? Could be just random, since that's what pretty much everyone will end up doing on Day 1. Too many possibilities to speculate.

Time will tell!

Epignosis wrote:
Cookie wrote:
Epignosis wrote:Whenever I think of Cookie, I think of Billy Sunday in Men of Honor.
Why?!
After some thirty hours, you manage to make this your second post?

Cookie wrote:
Epignosis wrote:I would like to lynch Cookie Day 1.
Why again?
After some thirty hours, you manage to make this your third post?

Can't wait to see your fourth fifth one.

I read the thread backwards and realized I should start from the beginning. >: (

DharmaHelper wrote:More people haven't seen this show then I thought.

I'm pretty sure if this was Watchmen all over again, you'd be lynched for this!

Scotty wrote:Voted Trent because he actually dies first in the show.

You guys should really color in the lines for once.

SPOILER! I was just about to watch it

DharmaHelper wrote:Totally stoked to start playing this game! I’m pretty sure I’ve played at least one game with most of you, but if I haven’t, hello new guys! My strategy this game is going to be a little fast and loose, but I’m ready to wreck face.

Does anyone have any questions for me? Really nervous since I haven’t even seen a single episode of this show… Anybody know who Brent/Trent are? Killing one of them is gonna be an interesting decision, and I feel like I’d make a better choice if I knew more about them. Every Day 0 Poll is almost always nerve wracking.

Who wants to take bets on the first person to ask if anyone has poll info? At least there are only two options. Seems less likely there would be too much oddness with just two options to go off of.
The one problem I can see us running into pretty early is the lack of activity from some of the newer folks, but I’ll hold off judgement on that until more people start to trickle in or the days start to tick by, whichever comes first. Having inactive players (however intentionally) is only going to hurt the civs as the game goes on; having just won a game based on that, I don’t plan on tolerating it if I can help it. Everyone needs to pitch in.

This post is getting a little long but it’s late so it will probably be my only post of the night, better to make it count. Happy to be playing a full game again! I don’t think I could handle a 24/24 game again so soon after Watchmen. Ready to take my time and read everything carefully. Don’t expect me to fuck around with ISO’s or rainbow lists or whatever though.

Rainbow lists, as (inexplicably) popular as they’ve gotten, piss me off because they are annoying and serve no real legitimate purpose. Others obviously disagree, but I figure I’d best get my thoughts on the matter out early; I won’t hold it against anyone who wants to make one, but I won’t really hold those lists in a high regard either. But that’s probably my stubbornness influencing my game. I don’t adapt well to change. Now before I get too ramble-heavy, I’m gonna bounce outta here; bye guys!

What... I like rainbow lists. It helps me organize other peoples' thoughts in my mind. I'm a visual person so maybe that has to do with my preference. I've never made my own rainbow list (although I've only just learned what they are in Watchmen).

Scotty wrote:I would like to lynch Cookie as well.

Ooo... VENGEFUL. I kinda like that. Buuut please don't.

Epignosis wrote:I would like to lynch Cookie Day 1.

Why again?

Epignosis wrote:Whenever I think of Cookie, I think of Billy Sunday in Men of Honor.

Why?!

Hi guys!! Excited to play!

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