The Syndicate

DrumBeats wrote: The post itself feels fine to me, but again, the timing of all of your stuff just throws me off. You don't post until I say I'm skeptical of your activity, and then you post three hours later. You clearly have been keeping up enough to catch FingerSplints crumbing, but you have barely contributed to the thread. You hadn't even posted today until I brought it up. It feels like you're strategically laying low and lurking.

DrumBeats wrote:Another person I want to open up discussion on is espers. Espers doesn't post for a week, and before that barely posts. After a week-long absense unannounced, espers "returns" 3 hours after I mention the inactivity being suspicious. Then there's this post:

espers wrote:fingersplints spent a lot of time talking about the civ redirector role in relatiom to svs and turned out to have that role, there's a strong possibility she was behind that. Looking though her iso for any breadcrumbs, i'm not finding much; how is that typically done here?

I'm curious as to how espers, who had previously not read up on enough of the thread to provide anything, noticed this:

fingersplints wrote:

Sorsha wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

Sorsha wrote:Also TurnipHead. His constant defense of SVS reminds me of AWR when we had quite a few circumstantial pieces of evidence that SVS was bad and he still refused to believe it. (She was bad, so were TH and I, on the opposite team, ftr). I'll be keeping an eye on him for now, if SVS were lynched and came back civ he would jump up to #1 for me.

I forgot to respond to this. I don't really understand the connection you're drawing. I'm sure I've defended SVS just as often as I've accused her, I'm probably batting .500. I feel okay about your motives though so feel free to keep an eye on me

It means I question your ability to read SVS and I feel like you lean civ on her a bit more than is warranted.

ripiywg SVS... it's not unheard of for the mafia to kill one of their own. Especially if they thought she would be getting lynched today, plus it saves her team from having to defend her. And it makes everyone go WTF.

Since it seems weird with all the attention, maybe she wasn't the intended target?

Dom wrote:Oscar – Oscar is definitely not into the (state) senator. Oscar is pretty attentive to detail as an accountant and can change who someone targets each night.

This was posted on the Saturday in the middle of espers's disappearance. While I definitely agree with the recent post that this likely happened now, but Espers being the one to point it out is suspicious imo. If espers could notice that, why couldn't espers provide anything else to conversation. I think espers has been strategically lurking this whole time, and has been actively keeping up with the thread.

DrumBeats wrote:Epsers ISO

Spoiler: show

espers wrote:Hello, people. Haven't read through the thread yet, will do so after lunch. If anyone has any questions for me, let me know.

Fluff just after subbing in. Very understandable thing to say after subbing in but not alignment indicative.

espers wrote:

timmer wrote:

Quin wrote:

timmer wrote:You know what helps a lie detector? Quietly making a statement that you know will help them see that you are civ.

You know what doesn't help them? Getting all players to say it and getting the whole thing thrown out as unusable.

And what really really doesn't help is then winking and saying you knew that, Muhuhaha. Because now day 1 is about you.

not a fan. Maybe you won't care. And because of course you will ask. I am town aligned.

I thinkyou're talking to me so I'll respond. I wasn't going to ask anybody else to say it because the point's already been made that saying 'I am town aligned' isn't worth a damn to a lie detector. It was unusable from the start, so there's no reason why I can't find a use for it myself.

-wink-, muhuhaha.

Muhuhaha indeed, lol!

People who know Quin, how likely is it that he would read that role and miss the part about not using blanket statements? I'm rusty, and have lost track of who plays like what...

This post reminds me of what I've done in the past as scum, asking about someone's meta to look like you're producing content and shift the focus onto others if they bite. timmer is hedgy with this, not committing to a stance.

Also, it seems pretty inaccurate to say that quin missed that part of the role when he acknowledged it in the post timmer was referring to here. Bad look.

Interesting stance on timmer, who was not a point of contention at the time.

espers wrote:

Serge wrote:So the thing we voted on, Personnel won and now roles have been revealed? Why only townies? If we voted management would have that revealed the roles of the management? I seem to recall a post here wherein the management is a separate group.

Checking out!

This is suspicious at surface level, none of these questions have a hope of producing substantive content if i'm right in my interpretation of the infodumping rules.

Serge, do you have any thoughts on the game's progression so far? Any suspicions of players?

linki: i had this written up before going to do some vacuuming, then when i came back it turned out people have mentioned him

Calls out Serge early for his lack of post-content.

espers wrote:

Scotty wrote:Sorry all I'm doing construction (of all things lol) all day today and zipping over on a date to see Independence Day right after. So I'm not gonna be around much at all leading up to EoD

I've skimmed the past few pages and only have a few things to say:
-Where is Matt? People have been answering for him, which he has expressly said he doesn't like other people doing for other people.
-Wilgy, don't you think that acting the same way as your bad self in another game could be perceived as alignment indicative? Like, just a little? This is like bubble gum bursting in your face, looking in the mirror and going, "I'm still beautiful", tossing back that lock of hair back and saying 'screw the haters!' In other words, this could just be Wilgy being Wilgy. Or it could be Wilgy misspeaking himself into a corner.
-Goldy has yet to check in, and honestly that is where my vote is going right now. Day 1's gonna Day 1, and I think suspicions will make more sense when we see a flip.

vote Goldy

I hope to check back in before EoD, but can't promise it

Goldy was the person I replaced. Others have mentioned it recently, I'd also like to see it clarified. How would my role being flipped make suspicions "make more sense"?

Questions Scotty on the same basis that I was.

espers wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I always feel bad about birdwithteeth because he gets lynched so early all the time.

Are you saying you don't think he should be lynched? Not really sure what you're going for here.

Questions Epi

espers wrote:Hi, sorry for missing the vote. Had the deadline wrong in my head, won't let it happen again.

Fwiw I'd have voted BWT.

Fluff, also Espers's last post.

Between Night 1 and Night 2
Fluff: 2
Content: 4

I have to say, what I saw from espers I liked, but the fact that Espers has not checked in since Night 2 makes me wonder what's up with him. The huge streak of inactivity makes me very skeptical.

My rating:

5/10

Questions:
Where are ya?
I'm here. If you're asking about my activity level, my access has been sporadic due to being busier irl than i'd anticipated. Also i was silenced d4, it didn't occur to me that I could claim at the time.

What are your thoughts on QuinGate (SVS's "forced" vote of Quin)?
I don't think SVS was forced, I don't see how it would be reasonable given the roles we've seen so far. I'm working under the assumption she was mafia at present. I was a bit stuck for a while on why they would kill their teammate; as someone said (enrique, i think?) that nullifies the mechanical advantage they get from the insta-day and double night.

I've come to the conclusion that it was a setup to throw off the town. The only person who was "cleared" as far as i can see is Epi (because of "svs would never distance that early" wifom). So yeah, epi is scum. I'm not sure i'm explaining that clearly, it makes sense in my head.

Who are your top scumreads as of now?
Epi as I mentioned. INH also feels bad, he keeps expressing things in terms of negatives ("x strategy never works") without offering alternatives and focussing on self defense.

Scotty is also pinging me with his reaction to TH's eod5. I see that kind of eod shenanigans as pro-civ behaviour generally, his suspicion feels contrived. To say he's a top scumread for that would be a stretch though, I'll look into him further.

Epignosis wrote:I always feel bad about birdwithteeth because he gets lynched so early all the time.

Scotty wrote:Sorry all I'm doing construction (of all things lol) all day today and zipping over on a date to see Independence Day right after. So I'm not gonna be around much at all leading up to EoD

I've skimmed the past few pages and only have a few things to say:
-Where is Matt? People have been answering for him, which he has expressly said he doesn't like other people doing for other people.
-Wilgy, don't you think that acting the same way as your bad self in another game could be perceived as alignment indicative? Like, just a little? This is like bubble gum bursting in your face, looking in the mirror and going, "I'm still beautiful", tossing back that lock of hair back and saying 'screw the haters!' In other words, this could just be Wilgy being Wilgy. Or it could be Wilgy misspeaking himself into a corner.
-Goldy has yet to check in, and honestly that is where my vote is going right now. Day 1's gonna Day 1, and I think suspicions will make more sense when we see a flip.

vote Goldy

I hope to check back in before EoD, but can't promise it

Serge wrote:So the thing we voted on, Personnel won and now roles have been revealed? Why only townies? If we voted management would have that revealed the roles of the management? I seem to recall a post here wherein the management is a separate group.

Checking out!

timmer wrote:

Quin wrote:

timmer wrote:You know what helps a lie detector? Quietly making a statement that you know will help them see that you are civ.

You know what doesn't help them? Getting all players to say it and getting the whole thing thrown out as unusable.

And what really really doesn't help is then winking and saying you knew that, Muhuhaha. Because now day 1 is about you.

not a fan. Maybe you won't care. And because of course you will ask. I am town aligned.

I thinkyou're talking to me so I'll respond. I wasn't going to ask anybody else to say it because the point's already been made that saying 'I am town aligned' isn't worth a damn to a lie detector. It was unusable from the start, so there's no reason why I can't find a use for it myself.

-wink-, muhuhaha.

Muhuhaha indeed, lol!

People who know Quin, how likely is it that he would read that role and miss the part about not using blanket statements? I'm rusty, and have lost track of who plays like what...