The Syndicate

HamburgerBoy wrote:

Golden wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

MacDougall wrote:I found it amusing how Syndicate civs vociferously defended LC and them RYM civs did the same for me aside from Strawhenge who by golly I thought I could convince. Black Rock was ready to vote to save me literally asked in BTSC and I got called into a meeting 10 minutes before deadline and came back minutes after it haha. Wilgy convinced her not to bcuz plans or something.

It's official forever:

meta is bullshit

It netted you Bullzeye though.

And scumslips netted Floyd.

Scumslips are applicable to brand new people, but I don't want to hear about slips for players who've played Mafia for years. :P

I made one in gentlemans guide. I'd never made one before, lol.

I made a scumslip in RYM #88. (iirc only espers cared though and I got away )

;_;

i only let off on you because i believed rdw had vigged you and thought that didn't make sense if you were partners, lol.

good work, town

sorry for bailing on such an awesome role :/

ugh why am i still not dead

i'm genuinely sorry for my behaviour, but i'm way behind and not really invested in this right now.

no insult intended to the hosts or anyone playing, i'm just not in the right frame of mind for this. don't anticipate checking in again.

also, i deserve to die for missing the vote

motel room wrote:

espers wrote:hello. voted aokiji/motel room and Long Con.

this has been nagging me a bit. espers, why did you vote me here for CEO or whatever it was way back at the start?

do you have any theory about what the reason was?

linki @bullzeye: i was thinking of br and epi.

voting sorsha

don't like some of the later votes on the devin wagon and straw's sorsha case was pretty compelling /piggybacking

no slight against the ppl defending sorsha, but you were wrong about lc, why should we believe you now?

has jjj ever complained of mafia burnout/tiredness inhibiting his ability to play before?

Matt F wrote:Elohcin

After looking at the roles, trying to find out wth Golden and RBZ are talking about, I noticed something and now think...

You are civvie.

if possible without infodumping, could you explain this? i don't see it.

matt's point got me thinking. looking through the tally polls, bea doesn't seem to qualify under the role i was thinking of (and the one sorsha implied). not sure what to make of this.

i hope golden gets a chance to post as much content as possible before night is out. just, you know, in case

DrWilgy wrote:snip

not a fan of posts like this. it's a whole bunch of nice-looking content without making any organic stances. this isn't the sort of game that can be solved with algorithms.

i don't say that vote analysis like this can't be worthwhile but here wilgy seems to use it as a crutch in lieu of "traditional" scumhunting, as evinced by his vote for golden without other reasoning. avoiding accountability while putting forth a supertown facade.

sorry for relatively flowery language, one of those moods i guess

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Relationship between espers and Long Con:

Spoiler: show

espers wrote:hello. voted aokiji/motel room and Long Con.

I've stated repeatedly that I don't care very much about Dusk 0 votes, but I'll give this one the time of day. espers did now know LC at all entering this game, so I'm curious why he saw fit to vote for him. Whaddya got for me, espers?

my picks for that were arbitrary, though i remember consciously avoiding people who were leading the tally. lc did play in that other game of mine, btw, so not a total stranger.

i'm curious as to why this is what you chose to directly ask me about, since you seemed dismissive of day 0 vote material in your other analyses.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Spoiler: show

espers wrote:

espers wrote:

Rbzmncaeaei wrote:Ok J, I would say right now all of these people are more likely to be scum than bcornett: Wilgy, Epig, yourself, Long Con, Russt, sig, Floyd, and llama. That's a LOT of candidates that are preferable to the two that are the most likely to actually be lynched. Nobody knows what they're talking about.

You're voting for someone based on their temporary silence combined an apparent difference in meta. Neither of those are solid reasons compared to the eight people I've listed.

who is the other, town lynch candidate if not long con?

i'd like to see this answered soon tbh. if it's not totally clear: you mentioned "two that are the most likely to actually be lynched", and implied they weren't good choices. one is obviously brian. who is the other leading lynch candidate you're talking about?

espers was the one to notice The Paradox (credit to Zebra). That he was the only one to catch this (to my knowledge) might imply that he was more conscious of LC's place in the tally and in Zebra's commentary than the average bear -- something that would suit his team mates. Might be a stretch, but it's in my head so there you go.

zebra's paradox thing stuck out to me because i thought it might reveal something they knew about the voting tally that wasn't public. that's why i quoted it again and clarified the question; i thought it might speak to something beyond mere error.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Spoiler: show

espers wrote:llama's question about the bea/long con thing struck me as loaded, possibly misdirective without making a real stance, as i alluded to here

golden called llama on-meta in one of his readthrough posts, i asked about this, saying i didn't consider him so. he (golden) didn't respond but it was in a multiquote so that's not too alarming. i stand by my earlier meta judgement of llama though, i've seen nothing to diminish it.

voting thellama73

Indirect LC relevance. espers was critical of llama for his take on bea's response to LC's accusation. Golden asserted llama was on-meta, and espers defied this notion -- something that is surprising given that they'd only played in the same game once before and even that was quite brief.

it was more to me the stark contrast in behaviour between that game and this that stuck out. i'm still curious as to what golden saw to merit that sentence.
i'm willing to acknowledge that that post is stale now in light of lc's flip and golden's quasi-outing.

FZ. wrote:

Rbzmncaeaei wrote:I would say that analysis makes espers look significantly worse.

If you mean his vote, I agree. Assuming I'm right about Russ, and the mafia went with what I think they did, then another mafia member would spread his vote elsewhere. He voted llama after LC voted bcornett, and either way, that's a cop out vote.


linki: Will reply after

i don't agree with this assessment. the tally was tied at 5 each for bcorn, lc and llama when i left, he felt like a legit contender.

went for rico, the refusal to give reads doesn't make sense to me. i know the is late, was expecting deadline to have passed :/

Russtifinko wrote: Linki: espers your post to JJJ reads super duper weird. You're aware he thinks she's town because there hasn't been resistance, right? And that he means he'd expect resistance if she were bad? Or are you saying you know she's town? Please explain.

i'm trying to probe whether that is what he means (your second question).

i wouldn't expect to see vocal resistance if she is bad given the way people have reacted to her treatment of long con.

DrWilgy wrote:Welcome Fuzz. Good to see you.

Has anyone not posted since LC's lynch? I may have missed it but I haven't seen MM post in awhile. I wonder where my companion has gone...

JJJ and Seaside, how did LC's flip affect your stance on Bcornett if at all?

i'd like golden to answer this last question too.

RadicalFuzz wrote:Disclaimer: While I have subbed in, I will be unavailable for the most part until either Sunday night or Monday morning. I have a little time in between, but I imagine most of that will be catching up. Just keep that in mind, whether you decide to lynch me or leave me be until I get caught up.

why are you worried about being lynched so soon after replacing in?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Devin the Omniscient wrote:So JJJ, Why do you think lynching Sorsha is a mistake?

I wouldn't use such strong language as "it's a mistake" quite yet, but I am beginning to doubt the case against her. I feel her content reflects her explanation of that content very acutely, and in a way that isn't easy to simply read-and-report. I also think she has done a nice job of answering questions with believable and meaningful content -- I am reminded of my earlier conversations with sig who I'd suspected and more recently began to trust.

There's also the fact that 7 votes poured onto Sorsha without a hint of resistance.

What are your current misgivings about Sorsha in light of the defenses she has provided most recently in response to my queries?

what kind of resistance would you expect to see if she's town? or are you implying you think there's scum involvement on her wagon?

cool result. i'll go back and address things i've not caught up on when i'm on my comp.

espers wrote:

Rbzmncaeaei wrote:Ok J, I would say right now all of these people are more likely to be scum than bcornett: Wilgy, Epig, yourself, Long Con, Russt, sig, Floyd, and llama. That's a LOT of candidates that are preferable to the two that are the most likely to actually be lynched. Nobody knows what they're talking about.

You're voting for someone based on their temporary silence combined an apparent difference in meta. Neither of those are solid reasons compared to the eight people I've listed.

who is the other, town lynch candidate if not long con?

i'd like to see this answered soon tbh. if it's not totally clear: you mentioned "two that are the most likely to actually be lynched", and implied they weren't good choices. one is obviously brian. who is the other leading lynch candidate you're talking about?

llama's question about the bea/long con thing struck me as loaded, possibly misdirective without making a real stance, as i alluded to here

golden called llama on-meta in one of his readthrough posts, i asked about this, saying i didn't consider him so. he (golden) didn't respond but it was in a multiquote so that's not too alarming. i stand by my earlier meta judgement of llama though, i've seen nothing to diminish it.

voting thellama73

hey people. sorry for abscence, had a 25% assignment to do for today so i've been avoiding internet stuff.
3 hours till deadline, do i have that right?

Rbzmncaeaei wrote:Ok J, I would say right now all of these people are more likely to be scum than bcornett: Wilgy, Epig, yourself, Long Con, Russt, sig, Floyd, and llama. That's a LOT of candidates that are preferable to the two that are the most likely to actually be lynched. Nobody knows what they're talking about.

You're voting for someone based on their temporary silence combined an apparent difference in meta. Neither of those are solid reasons compared to the eight people I've listed.

who is the other, town lynch candidate if not long con?

looking through jay's history in an attempt at a read and i'm not really sure i'm seeing the same things i was before. going to have to reevaluate, maybe i'll sleep on it.

gotta love procrastination.

straw, if you use quote tags inside the spoilers they become white-on-black and far more readable, just fyi.

Golden wrote:Oh, and on topic, for those who don't know llama I find his conduct to be pretty on par for llama so far.

could you expand on this? the only time i played with him, he grilled (scum) sloonei hard, ended up getting him lynched, and was killed night 1. i've not really seen anything resembling that here.

Choutas wrote:Ignorant question: Is sig syndicate's sodr?

Also the spoiler tag is blinding me can you change the color of it somehow?

reading through sig's posts i was thinking "it's too bad sodr didn't end up signing up".

jjj's vote makes me uneasy about him, sig is the kind of player i'd expect him to qualify as an "easy-button lynch option" and be more leery of pushing on.

Golden wrote:

espers wrote:

espers wrote:

seaside wrote: 2. Lynch Mac for having it all worked Putin day 0 but not doing a thing to help town in ANY way but to boast. I reakon he is the rogue.

what makes you think he's the rogue? wouldn't he be more likely to be mafia if he's anti-town?

this is reminding me overwhelmingly of when osokoi/longford made a similarly inexplicable rogue read on a player in rym 87, and he was mafia.

voting seaside

To be fair, the player he was referring to in that game (JJJ) was a rogue... Although I see your point in that calling someone out for being a rogue can be another way of saying 'I read them as bad, but I know they aren't on my team, so what else can they be?'

I did want to know why MacDougall is working with Putin, though.

actually, at that point he wasn't a rogue; he was recruited in night 2, that post was in day 2. that aspect is sort of immaterial, though.

MacDougall wrote:Can I point out that there is a player out there with this scum role.

"(Nothing But) Flowers – Can't get used to the lifestyle brought about by the new players. Its vote is worth x3 against players from the opposite forum. It cannot be harmed by night powers used by players from the same forum. If it carries out the kill, it cannot kill players from the same forum."

it's worth noting that if that player is voting now, they're probably voting someone from the same forum to avoid drawing attention on the tally, since there are no other vote manipulation things going on at this point iirc.

changing my vote to russ to make things interesting. i won't be back on till after deadline, at which point i'll have more to say about jjj and llama.

he's not even posted itt, all i remember from the day 0 thread were a couple of ot posts
there's not enough material to make a judgement, but it seems absurd to make the call that he's a likely rogue candidate at this point

linki: he made a post along the lines of "3 pages in and i already have this game solved" and complained about choutas's treatment of him in his rap

the former seems to be what seaside's basing his suspicion of, he can correct me if i'm wrong

espers wrote:

seaside wrote: 2. Lynch Mac for having it all worked Putin day 0 but not doing a thing to help town in ANY way but to boast. I reakon he is the rogue.

what makes you think he's the rogue? wouldn't he be more likely to be mafia if he's anti-town?

this is reminding me overwhelmingly of when osokoi/longford made a similarly inexplicable rogue read on a player in rym 87, and he was mafia.

voting seaside

seaside wrote: 2. Lynch Mac for having it all worked Putin day 0 but not doing a thing to help town in ANY way but to boast. I reakon he is the rogue.

what makes you think he's the rogue? wouldn't he be more likely to be mafia if he's anti-town?

thellama73 wrote:Question for the group:
Was Bea's reaction to one early, changeable vote an overreaction or an appropriate reaction?
Discuss.

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i read it as more of a reaction to the reasoning behind the vote than the fact of the vote itself, so on that level it didn't seem like an overreaction.

i am curious about why you'd want to broadcast a leading question like this into the thread without espousing your own position, though.

Ricochet wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote: Seaside was the most active poster and asked a ton of questions.

Interesting. I don't think he posted once yet in the main game.

he's currently at the nrl grand final down in sydney, he mentioned this in the day 0 thread.

one thing that might be of note: he asked strawhenge if he had any special abilities in that thread. i asked him about it and he appeared not to know about the infodumping rules (or any of what was mentioned in the first posts of the signup thread)

choutas replied to this exchange, saying that scumslips weren't very common and that seaside's original question read to him as frivolous/banter. that seemed a bit incongruous to me, i'd like choutas to explain it. i might be misremembering the particulars though, wish i could look back over it

did the syndicate players have their own private day 0 thread? anything happen there?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

espers wrote:i submit that i'd be a great candidate for leadership. i pledge to divert most of the company's resources to investigation of octopus people.

If I meet any octopus people, I'll let you know.

Have you met our friendly, neighborhood ninja blooper yet?

she appears to be a squid person, but may be a worthy source of other cephalopod-related leads. very much appreciated.

i submit that i'd be a great candidate for leadership. i pledge to divert most of the company's resources to investigation of octopus people.

hello. voted aokiji/motel room and Long Con.