The Syndicate

Sorry all, this is MP and I have not done anything. Crazy busy with wedding stuff in Asheville. I’ll do what I can as soon as possible. My apologies.

We need to get on the road. Apologies for the quick pop in and pop out but it is what it is.

Visiting speed and Luna, then tomorrow it’s a trip to asheville in the morning and then the rehearsal dinner, then Saturday is the wedding, then Sunday is the drive to Ohio.

Not sure when I’ll be around. I’ll do everything I can.

I would guess to expect my other half at some point although I’m unsure about this phase; hopefully she is feeling better soon.

Ugh. That sucked. I’m sorry Sloogy.

dunya dog, sorry to see you go. I would have liked to have been able to interact with you more so this sucks doubly. As for why I didn’t soak up more of the thread, I was about as distracted as I could possibly have been. I don’t know if I would have changed my vote if I had been here more intently.

I’m super busy during this Day phase. Expect sporadic phone posting from this half.

Complete reassessment is necessary. My reads are garbage. I’ll be starting over.

Super super skimmed

Keeping my vote where it is because I’m not inspired by what I’ve seen from them still and I don’t feel inclined to move elsewhere

Gotta get back on the road sorry

The Dry Flood wrote: ↑Wed Jul 11, 2018 5:10 pm

M Plus 1 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 10, 2018 3:41 pm @The Dry Flood

I need you, Golden. We need to mindmeld. Otherwise expect me to come after you.

Hey. Why golden. Am I not good enough for you?

You are!

Dammit, I knew you would say something like this.

Alright, I really have to go. I’ll make sure to pop back in on phone before EoD just for like a minute just in case. Sorry.

Not sure if tsaiah will be here but I wouldn’t blame her if she wasn’t; she sounds really sick.

I’ll at least make sure I can move my vote if necessary.

I’m also admittedly underwhelmed with Galactic MAC but...

Daisy and I have been through hell the last week with moving stuff so I totally get why she hasn’t been here. I’ve been here too much probably.

I know they both are also in final 3 of Genius game. So there’s that.

Consequently I’m not inclined to lynch them but I guess I wouldn’t fight it. Either way it’d be nice to hear from them soon.

[VOTE: DRSLOOGY] aubergine

I’m not seeing a town spark from either of you. What’s the deal with that?

I’m a bit underwhelmed by DrSloogy.

I’m super underwhelmed by The Dry Flood. More concerned than anything. It’s so bizarre for both of them to be inactive.

ColinIsSpeed wrote: ↑Wed Jul 11, 2018 1:39 pm If Lunatella is town, 2 Stupid Dogs is probably also town. That is an earnest and well-thought defense.
If not... 2 Stupid Dogs is probably still town. That is still an earnest and well-thought defense.

I’ll agree with you there.

I think 2 Stupid Dogs is my highest town read right now.

That said, dunya and Turnip Head both are incredibly skilled scum. Never lock them in as town 100%. That was my mistake in Ancient Greece with dunya and I know I’ve done the same with Turnip Head years ago when we first started playing together. Make sure they always get reassessed.

Fratyo wrote: ↑Wed Jul 11, 2018 1:38 pm the 3 hydras i wouldn't lynch today so far are the following:

2 Stupid Dogs
ColinIsSpeed
M Plus 1

I’m down with this, add in you and Rimworld Boyz.

I’m cooling off Lunatella. Even if they are scum it should be more apparent soon, and the defense from dunya is compelling.

I wouldn’t feel great about lynching Epi and Simon (Cuphead and Mugman) either on d1 but I’m not sure they’re town.

Anyone else I would be willing to lynch.

Fratyo wrote: ↑Wed Jul 11, 2018 1:37 pm

M Plus 1 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 11, 2018 1:35 pm
Hi Fractal.

hi!

Really hope you're town here so we can solve together. You've done all the posting thus far right?

Likewise!

And yeah, that’s right. Unfortunately it sounds like tsaiah has a really crappy illness so she’s down for the count for now. Hopefully she will be feeling better enough to play with us soon.

2 Stupid Dogs wrote: ↑Wed Jul 11, 2018 1:29 pm

Fratyo wrote: ↑Wed Jul 11, 2018 1:23 pm 2 Dogs, what do you mean by Luna looking sketchy as town? Do you think she looks less sketchy when scum? Or was this a specific way of sketchy you think she generally only looks when town?

Also, i think she was one of the most obvious and least sketchy people in all of the Courage game. It's only 1 game but still

actually that's sort of what I mean. In UPick, she was scum and her posts were all more pointed--served a purpose, slightly reserved with her words even. I knew something was off with her there.

In other games we've played with her as a civilian, she tends to be a little more loose in her thoughts and opinions. she makes posts that read scummy. she doesn't pay attention to what can be perceived as scummy, because she's town, so why would she? I think that post MP quotes is a classic example of misread Luna intentions. I understand what she was trying to get at. I don't see a scum Luna edging for that angle.

if i'm wrong, i'm gonna look so stupid. but it's a risk i'm willing to take.

This actually makes sense. As soon as you said something I recalled that Luna does tend to be more... loose with her thought processes when town. I’m not sure I really have a scum!Luna meta in my mind though, probably because I’ve not seen much of her scum game so it didn’t strike my mind at the time. I don’t even remember how she was in UPick.

Then again I only spectated like part of it.

2 Stupid Dogs wrote: ↑Wed Jul 11, 2018 1:22 pm (remember, speedchuck is always scum and Colin is a lot of the times scum)

if we gotta lynch someone that we can't all agree on, let it be ColinIsSpeed for best chances of netting scum

Lol.

Fratyo wrote: ↑Wed Jul 11, 2018 1:21 pm

M Plus 1 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 10, 2018 3:27 pm

Fratyo wrote: ↑Tue Jul 10, 2018 2:02 pm Feel good about: 2 Stupid Dogs

Feel not so good about: DrSloogy

Explain.

i'll try to recall what i thought at the time.

Thought 2 dogs tone was ok when they called us (me) out in their post that voted us. Also liked them asking DrSlo why they followed with their vote onto us instead of just leaving them be.

Didn't like the stale phrasing of DrSlo's vote as much. Also didn't love their comment about not hammering me. Not because it wasn't mechanically true, but it felt like they were kinda redirecting the focus from their vote to something else everyone would agree with, to avoid backlash.

Obviously it weren't strong reads

@M Plus 1

Cool thanks for elaborating. I think this checks out.

2 Stupid Dogs wrote: ↑Wed Jul 11, 2018 1:19 pm I strongly urge ya'll to get your votes off Lunatella.

Where should it go instead? I’m listening.

2 Stupid Dogs wrote: ↑Wed Jul 11, 2018 1:17 pm

M Plus 1 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 11, 2018 1:02 pm

Lunatella wrote: ↑Wed Jul 11, 2018 11:39 am

M Plus 1 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 10, 2018 3:40 pm - Rimworld Boyz
I'm vibing with Kyle. Kyle is one of the most tonally-centric players I've ever met in that he reads incredibly organically when he's town and not when he's scum. Specifically if I read at least half of the posts in Kyle's ISO and can hear Kyle thinking out loud in a Vocaroo type setting, that means he's almost certainly town. Scum!Kyle can't quite replicate the way town!Kyle thinks.

Subject to change. Other input desired.

Rimworld Boyz wrote: ↑Tue Jul 10, 2018 3:44 pm i have a problem with that? up until now neither of us have posted anything that would require genuine-ness or the faking there-of. which posts seemed particularly genuine to you?

M Plus 1

For Rimworld Boyz to question M Plus 1's read of their genuineness really makes them look town. If they were scum they would have just rolled with it. Extra cred looks good. But what does this say about M Plus 1?

What do you think it says about me?

I don’t like the open-ended question at all.

[VOTE: lunatella] aubergine

That was definitely a Luna post.

I think after playing with Luna a number of games and seeing her get mislynched for all the wrong reasons, she is someone who often comes across as sketchy as town. If anything, that open ended question and the "so what?" of it all makes her look town to me.

That’s... astute. I didn’t even think of it like that. I’m considering your perspective here.

Fratyo wrote: ↑Wed Jul 11, 2018 1:14 pm

M Plus 1 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 11, 2018 1:02 pm

Lunatella wrote: ↑Wed Jul 11, 2018 11:39 am

M Plus 1 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 10, 2018 3:40 pm - Rimworld Boyz
I'm vibing with Kyle. Kyle is one of the most tonally-centric players I've ever met in that he reads incredibly organically when he's town and not when he's scum. Specifically if I read at least half of the posts in Kyle's ISO and can hear Kyle thinking out loud in a Vocaroo type setting, that means he's almost certainly town. Scum!Kyle can't quite replicate the way town!Kyle thinks.

Subject to change. Other input desired.

Rimworld Boyz wrote: ↑Tue Jul 10, 2018 3:44 pm i have a problem with that? up until now neither of us have posted anything that would require genuine-ness or the faking there-of. which posts seemed particularly genuine to you?

M Plus 1

For Rimworld Boyz to question M Plus 1's read of their genuineness really makes them look town. If they were scum they would have just rolled with it. Extra cred looks good. But what does this say about M Plus 1?

What do you think it says about me?

I don’t like the open-ended question at all.

[VOTE: lunatella] aubergine

lol...

now people will think i just sheeped this. i actually just read this. villapoint for mindmeld

Hi Fractal.

Cuphead and Mugman wrote: ↑Wed Jul 11, 2018 1:03 pm Well…

Cuphead and his pal Mugman
Have all their reading done
The two concur
They must confer
A take on M Plus 1

M Plus 1!

He came upon things acting like
They were a hydrant red
And now all of this
Smells of doggy piss

So…

No one should make him dead!

Lol. Seriously how can anyone lynch this hydra?

ColinIsSpeed wrote: ↑Wed Jul 11, 2018 1:02 pm

M Plus 1 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 11, 2018 12:59 pm

ColinIsSpeed wrote: ↑Wed Jul 11, 2018 9:58 am

M Plus 1 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 11, 2018 1:43 am

2 Stupid Dogs wrote: ↑Tue Jul 10, 2018 5:21 pm

M Plus 1 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 10, 2018 3:48 pm

Rimworld Boyz wrote: ↑Mon Jul 09, 2018 10:56 pm are we supposed to talk in plural first person or regular first person? like are we fusions from dragon ball z or just like... two kids who don't get along and now we're trapped together wearing the same sweater?

whats the lore of this game

That one reads like town!Kyle to me.

i agree with that assessment.

I'm glad to hear that.

Why? Why would you be glad to hear that?

Why wouldn’t I be? It’s good to know someone else is seeing what I am.

Now whether they genuinely see what I’m seeing or if they are just saying that, obviously that needs to be assessed.

I've never read "Woo! Validation!" as a normal town trait.

Well I’m not normal.

Lunatella wrote: ↑Wed Jul 11, 2018 11:39 am

M Plus 1 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 10, 2018 3:40 pm - Rimworld Boyz
I'm vibing with Kyle. Kyle is one of the most tonally-centric players I've ever met in that he reads incredibly organically when he's town and not when he's scum. Specifically if I read at least half of the posts in Kyle's ISO and can hear Kyle thinking out loud in a Vocaroo type setting, that means he's almost certainly town. Scum!Kyle can't quite replicate the way town!Kyle thinks.

Subject to change. Other input desired.

Rimworld Boyz wrote: ↑Tue Jul 10, 2018 3:44 pm i have a problem with that? up until now neither of us have posted anything that would require genuine-ness or the faking there-of. which posts seemed particularly genuine to you?

M Plus 1

For Rimworld Boyz to question M Plus 1's read of their genuineness really makes them look town. If they were scum they would have just rolled with it. Extra cred looks good. But what does this say about M Plus 1?

What do you think it says about me?

I don’t like the open-ended question at all.

[VOTE: lunatella] aubergine

ColinIsSpeed wrote: ↑Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:00 am This just in: MP1 is probably scum. If they doesn't prove me wrong by day 2,

Come at us.

ColinIsSpeed wrote: ↑Wed Jul 11, 2018 9:58 am

M Plus 1 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 11, 2018 1:43 am

2 Stupid Dogs wrote: ↑Tue Jul 10, 2018 5:21 pm

M Plus 1 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 10, 2018 3:48 pm

Rimworld Boyz wrote: ↑Mon Jul 09, 2018 10:56 pm are we supposed to talk in plural first person or regular first person? like are we fusions from dragon ball z or just like... two kids who don't get along and now we're trapped together wearing the same sweater?

whats the lore of this game

That one reads like town!Kyle to me.

i agree with that assessment.

I'm glad to hear that.

Why? Why would you be glad to hear that?

Why wouldn’t I be? It’s good to know someone else is seeing what I am.

Now whether they genuinely see what I’m seeing or if they are just saying that, obviously that needs to be assessed.

2 Stupid Dogs wrote: ↑Wed Jul 11, 2018 9:38 am

M Plus 1 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 11, 2018 1:54 am It's unlike both Golden and Marmot to be missing. Please come play.

especially considering Golden has sorta been around. what does this tell you? is scum Golden a lurker?

Not really, at least from my experience. It’s flat out abnormal.

ColinIsSpeed wrote: ↑Wed Jul 11, 2018 9:29 am Kyle has said that his town meta is crafted purposely to be hard to read for when he’s scum so I don’t necessarily buy MP’s fancy talk here — for example he looks like U-Pick scum Kyle to me as much as he does Courage town Kyle — but I think him asking MP such pointed questions is a pretty good sign. I’m not sure that scum Kyle would go in against someone townreading him, I generally think scum wouldn’t, but I’ll have to check U-Pick.

I agree actually to an extent; I do like Kyle’s response to me more than the initial reason I gave the read.

I still think the initial read was warranted though. I’m not sure why you wouldn’t “buy” it.

Rimworld Boyz wrote: ↑Wed Jul 11, 2018 2:48 am
so your reasoning is "kyle frequently posts stream of consciousness style posts, but he's able to do it more authentically when he's civ so this post gives me a slight indication that kyle might be a civ, because this one he made doesn't seem awkward or forced"

I mean, sort of yeah. You got the gist of it.

Only here for a short period of time.

Unfortunately, my other head seems to be severely ill. Let's hope she feels better soon.

As for me, my participation starting tomorrow will become limited due to us leaving Texas (for good this time). Expect seldom phone posting. I'll do what I can.

I don't really feel like my reads have changed from earlier, which is unfortunate.

It's unlike both Golden and Marmot to be missing. Please come play.

Rimworld Boyz wrote: ↑Tue Jul 10, 2018 8:47 pm M Plus 1 what specific games did we play together that have helped form your ability to determine which of my bullshit ot garbage is civ bullshit ot garbage and which of my bullshit ot garbage is my mafia ot garbage?

This... would require some detailed digging that unfortunately I don't have time to do.

That said, off the top of my head... I'd say your town performances in Vocaroo 2, Ancient Greece, and Easter Mafia most notably. Vocaroo 2 was very limited because I think I didn't even play that properly? But I did listen to some of your recordings at some point. Then I feel if I contrast those with how you played in GoC (which I half-spectated), there is the formation of this tell.

My perception could be misguided, but it's something that rings accurate to me even if the sample size is small.

Either way, regardless of "meta", I think your stream of consciousness mannerism in general is a generally townie thing to display and something that's difficult to fake across many posts.

Lastly, I think you're misunderstanding me. It's not an OT-specific tell. It naturally arises most frequently in on-topic posts. I just feel like your content doesn't have to be on-topic for it to be displayed.

I hope that at least answers your question somewhat satisfactorily.

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Jul 10, 2018 8:15 pm SHIT WRONG ACCOUNT

ColinIsSpeed wrote: ↑Tue Jul 10, 2018 8:09 pm Anybody throwing out rainbow lists right now is not someone I’m gonna invite over for beers

Oops, I repeated myself in that. It's too late for me to be playing mafia. Oh well.

Rimworld Boyz wrote: ↑Tue Jul 10, 2018 8:08 pm

M Plus 1 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 10, 2018 3:48 pm

Rimworld Boyz wrote: ↑Tue Jul 10, 2018 3:44 pm i have a problem with that? up until now neither of us have posted anything that would require genuine-ness or the faking there-of. which posts seemed particularly genuine to you?

@@M Plus 1

Doesn't matter to me. You're one of the few players I feel I can assess based on off-topic or on-topic posts.

Rimworld Boyz wrote: ↑Mon Jul 09, 2018 10:56 pm are we supposed to talk in plural first person or regular first person? like are we fusions from dragon ball z or just like... two kids who don't get along and now we're trapped together wearing the same sweater?

whats the lore of this game

That one reads like town!Kyle to me.

Now watch it be a Quin post.

give me a reason why mafia!Kyle wouldn't make that exact same post? how would that post be written any different if I were making it from a mafia perspective?

This is the wrong question. Mafia!Kyle probably wouldn't make it.

It's a stream of consciousness tick you have that you, at least in my assessment, exhibit much more frequently as town than scum. It's you thinking to yourself out loud. When you're scum you don't do it as much. It's more of a trend than anything though, so perhaps town reading your hydra based on one instance of it is pretty weak, but hey, it's something.

2 Stupid Dogs wrote: ↑Tue Jul 10, 2018 5:21 pm

M Plus 1 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 10, 2018 3:48 pm

Rimworld Boyz wrote: ↑Mon Jul 09, 2018 10:56 pm are we supposed to talk in plural first person or regular first person? like are we fusions from dragon ball z or just like... two kids who don't get along and now we're trapped together wearing the same sweater?

whats the lore of this game

That one reads like town!Kyle to me.

i agree with that assessment.

I'm glad to hear that.

2 Stupid Dogs wrote: ↑Tue Jul 10, 2018 5:15 pm Here's my rainbow as of this second you see in the time stamp of this post

2 Stupid Dogs
M Plus 1
DrSloogy
Rimworld Boyz
Galactic Mac
Lunatella


your scum are among these:

Cuphead and Mugman
The Dry Flood
ColinIsSpeed
Fratyo

Can you expand on the DrSloogy, GalacticMac, Lunatella, and Fratyo reads with highest priority? Thanks.

2 Stupid Dogs wrote: ↑Tue Jul 10, 2018 5:09 pm

M Plus 1 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 10, 2018 3:41 pm @The Dry Flood

I need you, Golden. We need to mindmeld. Otherwise expect me to come after you.

do you and daisy both "mind-meld" with golden? that's weird considering you and daisy are different.

In different ways, sure.

I mindmeld with Golden sometimes, but other times I feel like we help each other see differing points of view. Either way, in terms of expectations for how we work together as town he's probably highest on my list out of literally anyone. I'd find it grossly concerning if we didn't gel with each other.

2 Stupid Dogs wrote: ↑Tue Jul 10, 2018 5:05 pm

M Plus 1 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 10, 2018 3:25 pm

2 Stupid Dogs wrote: ↑Tue Jul 10, 2018 1:02 pm

DrSloogy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:53 am I voted for fratyo. We can hammer in this game. Avoid accidental hammers.

i dig this. i dig you.

Hi dunya.

surprisingly it wasn't me, it was turnip.

i'm glad we're blending seamlessly into 1 dog tho

Wow, that is surprising. Sounds pretty much like you.

ColinIsSpeed wrote: ↑Tue Jul 10, 2018 4:04 pm Is quiet The Dry Flood usually bad? Ha.

I'm just go ahead and townread Fratyo for now. I think it's not great that 2 Stupid Dogs trust DrSloogy, and they are voting together on my townread.

I will ask for an explanation of this.

I'm not sure about that. It's concerning though.

This head is checking out for now. Expect my inevitable return. We only have 36 hour day periods and 10 hydras, so pushing any sort of discussion currently is of the utmost importance. I look forward to seeing that content you all produce. This player list is incredibly solid not only from a fun perspective but from a talent perspective. Let's show the scum team what we got and win this thing ASAP. We can do it. I believe in us.

[mention]DrSloogy[/mention]

Any reads? Both of you have a pretty good gut. Throw something out there.

Someone urgently needs to push this game along. That's what I'm trying to do with my limited time.

Rimworld Boyz wrote: ↑Tue Jul 10, 2018 3:44 pm i have a problem with that? up until now neither of us have posted anything that would require genuine-ness or the faking there-of. which posts seemed particularly genuine to you?

@@M Plus 1

Doesn't matter to me. You're one of the few players I feel I can assess based on off-topic or on-topic posts.

Rimworld Boyz wrote: ↑Mon Jul 09, 2018 10:56 pm are we supposed to talk in plural first person or regular first person? like are we fusions from dragon ball z or just like... two kids who don't get along and now we're trapped together wearing the same sweater?

whats the lore of this game

That one reads like town!Kyle to me.

Now watch it be a Quin post.

[mention]Galactic Mac[/mention]

Come at us. I dare you.

[mention]The Dry Flood[/mention]

I need you, Golden. We need to mindmeld. Otherwise expect me to come after you.

To expand:

- 2 Stupid Dogs
Turnip Head seems rather loose and organic. dunya is asking questions. They both seem relaxed and in their element even if low on WIM at the moment (then again, so is the thread in general).

- Fratyo
IMO again the posts from these two struck me as relatively organic. I liked the willingness to throw out two reads. I'll like it a lot more or dislike it depending on the elaboration.

- Rimworld Boyz
I'm vibing with Kyle. Kyle is one of the most tonally-centric players I've ever met in that he reads incredibly organically when he's town and not when he's scum. Specifically if I read at least half of the posts in Kyle's ISO and can hear Kyle thinking out loud in a Vocaroo type setting, that means he's almost certainly town. Scum!Kyle can't quite replicate the way town!Kyle thinks.

Subject to change. Other input desired.

Now to find out and elaborate upon exactly why I like those three.

2 Stupid Dogs
Fratyo
Rimworld Boyz

ColinIsSpeed
Cuphead and Mugman
DrSloogy
Galactic Mac
Lunatella
The Dry Flood

POE style for now. Super weak GTH stuff. Like the first three tonally. The rest meh.

The shitposting was fun, but it's Day 1 now, folks. Let's kick this game into the next gear.

Well, that was a relatively easy catch-up.

Rainbow list incoming.