The Syndicate

Guess Jay's interpretation of Michelle/Scotty was "compatible but softly not" kinda matches my own take here. It's ok but I feel weird about other compatible options being left up.

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 1:15 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 1:09 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 1:06 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 1:02 pm When was the last time you rolled mafia? Mind if I checked it out? I thought there was a game I was speccing where I pegged you as mafia by like day 3 but I don’t remember if that was confbias or you actually were mafia
Refer to the links in this post -- plenty of examples to work with. It's been both annoying and vindicating to be mafia so many times lately. I had one of my worst games ever in Philosophy 2 a couple years ago, but since then I have gone 5-0 as mafia (despite never being pleased to see the role card at first). Feels nice.
Wait- THATS RIGHT! I was just in a game with you in Don’t Starve, and would have absolutely gunned for you D2 if I didn’t get D1’d. I totally forgot about that game.

Ok ok I *can* read you.
You don't seem too confident here tho

This almost looks like t/w shading, especially when it was said would've put tempo against Scotty.

Let me see if Jay had any interpretation.

I know things but can't explain why posts are easily ignored. That's all last page looked to me.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 16, 2023 3:58 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 16, 2023 3:55 am [VOTE: Lorab] aubergine

Will try to skim iso's before EOD..will likely not accomplish this.
can you move your vote to Scotty?

I could, but why?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 16, 2023 3:58 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 16, 2023 3:51 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 16, 2023 3:47 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 16, 2023 3:42 am Jokes on you if you think I know any of the mech details this game.
then please trust me on svs +ev on wilgy being bad now
Implying I trust anyone.

What happened to all the Abigail intrigue btw? What happened to that wagon?
Neon killed a wolf, what intrigue?

I thought I had seen a wagon of people going after them.

Perhaps I'm confused.

Trying to coordinate vote records where they aren't stored in difficult.

[VOTE: Lorab] aubergine

Will try to skim iso's before EOD..will likely not accomplish this.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 16, 2023 3:47 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 16, 2023 3:42 am Jokes on you if you think I know any of the mech details this game.
then please trust me on svs +ev on wilgy being bad now

Implying I trust anyone.

What happened to all the Abigail intrigue btw? What happened to that wagon?

Jokes on you if you think I know any of the mech details this game.

Also
Poll runs till Sat Dec 16, 2023 5:13 pm
Please note that if you vote, your vote will be visible.

You may select 1 option

‪☆Princess Abigail☆‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
bereft
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪Cape90‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪DarlingMonroe‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪DrWilgy‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪LoRab‬
1
11%
Voters: RondoDimBuckle
‪robyn‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪RondoDimBuckle‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪Scotty‬
3
33%
Voters: Cape90, robyn, Bereft
‪S~V~S‬
1
11%
Voters: Scotty
‪Thunal33‬
1
11%
Voters: DarlingMonroe
‪splints, of course
3
33%
Voters: Roxy, JaggedJimmyJay, fingersplints

Hmm? Do tell?

Like, it's flimsy as hell, but I think that post alone gives the LoRab yeet a lot more ev than SVS.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 6:55 am Guys I'm really sorry, for some reason I am very demoralized right now. Maybe being suspected after literally making one or two posts (for an actual not real reason) then every time I try to explain where I'm coming from, well I can't do it without mentioning Scotty, and he's like fucking Beetlejuice lol.

I had mostly town reads this whole game. Right now I am one zillion percent not caught up.

Town

Robyn, Cape, Rondo. I feel Befert for reasons, some things they've said . Maybe cause Robyn vouches, and I guess they know each other that well? I also feel Abi is town, but that could be a warm fuzzy cause she t/r'ed me early. I find it super unlikely I'll vote for these people. Or even impossible.

Not Sure, no reason to town read these people, but no reason to wolf read them either.

Thunal, Wilgy, they both seem in their possible town meta as I've observed it, Wilgy tries a bit more to act innocuous when he's bad, and Thunal is a bit more level when she's bad, imo. But they've both fooled me, and rather spectacularly might I add lol

Iffy imo (if it's possible Conf Bias, I'll note it):

Darling (possible conf bias), I'm not sure why Jay was so sure of towniness here, maybe cause Darling bolstered his hypotheses? At one point I thought DM and Jay could be the BTS roles, but apparently not. Scotty, I just can't shake it tbh. And the uber aggro way he comes at me every time I say "beetlejuice", um, Scotty, yeah, that's it.

I have no clue:

T's (it appears they've shown up, but I haven't read their posts yet) and LoRab. I doubt LoRab is gonna show, and that makes me sad, maybe more sad than people trying to wagon her on Hanukkah. But that's also based on personal info that I'm fairly sure no one else in game had. LC prolly knew but he was dead. On the night y'all were trying to lynch her, she was having her head shaved as part of a fund raiser for a childrens cancer charity. So I was in here watching pitchforks get shaken at her, and then on social watching her do good in the real world. So I kinda got salty and over reacted I guess.

And someone in my @'s said something about how my Michelle vote was too little too late or something to that effect.

I baldly stated I wanted to save LoRab regardless of affiliation, I wasn't exactly having a ball in here, lol, and wanted to make sure that LoRab wagon hadn't formed before I voted. I voted left the thread and apparently missed the LoRab wagon that subsequently formed.

I'll be back after work to hopefully read some more (like T's posts) and vote.

Don't think W SVS makes this post. If we go with a missing slot, we don't hit SVS.

I keep trying to get back into the game and keep failing.

I went from like sick and dying to super busy and there's been very little time to regain my footing..

Good hello.

Still busy but I might be able to catch up tonight.

Did anyone get record of the vote counts for the past 2 eods while I was unconscious?

I just went through Jay's ISO flipping through the last few posts to reacquaint myself with the game.

SVS and TS account were on both yeet lists. This is the way.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 7:33 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 7:29 pm
robyn wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 7:23 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 7:22 pm I was asleep all day and now we yeeting ts.

Which is fine, but surprised to see such a dynamic shift.
oh i got the wagon in like 30-45 minutes from a 0 wagon
Oh cool. Good job.
Hi Wilgy. Where is your head at other than me?

No thoughts really.

PoE is you, Robyn, Abigail, TS > Bereft, SVS, Rondo?

Head is too foggy for my brain to come to further thoughts.

ts account wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 7:25 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 7:22 pm I was asleep all day and now we yeeting ts.

Which is fine, but surprised to see such a dynamic shift.
Not sure it was a dynamic shift, since the threadstate was against me from the beginning

I guess I just dug my hole deeper, which really feels like I'm getting punished for trying to help? At this point it feels town is set in their path tho and fate is deterministic

Just unlucky

It's hard. We have 0 data on you and your lim makes sense with the exception of you cracking the game open. My advise if you are town is to work on the best legacy possible as that'd help us once we have your true alignment.

If you are town I appreciate your efforts.

robyn wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 7:23 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 7:22 pm I was asleep all day and now we yeeting ts.

Which is fine, but surprised to see such a dynamic shift.
oh i got the wagon in like 30-45 minutes from a 0 wagon

Oh cool. Good job.

I was asleep all day and now we yeeting ts.

Which is fine, but surprised to see such a dynamic shift.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 7:08 pm @DrWilgy if you cant move your vote just keep it where it is

Yo what the hell happened?

Abigail or SVS is fine I suppose.

Haven't reviewed anything recently and my head hurts too much for quantifiable VCA.

I will ask why not Thunal. My immediate guess is to who the teammate was is them.

Poll runs till Thu Dec 14, 2023 6:00 am
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You may select 1 option

‪☆Princess Abigail☆‬
5
36%
Voters: RondoDimBuckle, Cape90, ☆Princess Abigail☆, Scotty, ts account
bereft
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪Cape90‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪DarlingMonroe‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪DrWilgy‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪LoRab‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪robyn‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪RondoDimBuckle‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪Scotty‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪S~V~S‬
3
21%
Voters: DarlingMonroe, robyn, Thunal33
‪Thunal33‬
1
7%
Voters: DrWilgy
‪ts account‬
0
No votes

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 12:53 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 11:37 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 8:32 pm
ts account wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 8:16 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 8:00 pm
ts account wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 5:54 pm
robyn wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 3:00 pm me and bereft also have been communicating wordlessly this entire game, and he's just town
these words are accepted

You seem wimmy enough to be town so I'm okay with this
As a side note, is that a Stormlight reference by chance?
sure is
Hell yeah @DrWilgy we found another one. (Wilgy is in process of making a Stormlight game)
No, Wilgy is like super sick this cycle
Just draw in some Stormlight my dude

sorry, get better

All my gems are cracked and I don't get paid until the next highstorm passes

Someone tldr me on new stuff

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 8:32 pm
ts account wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 8:16 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 8:00 pm
ts account wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 5:54 pm
robyn wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 3:00 pm me and bereft also have been communicating wordlessly this entire game, and he's just town
these words are accepted

You seem wimmy enough to be town so I'm okay with this
As a side note, is that a Stormlight reference by chance?
sure is
Hell yeah @DrWilgy we found another one. (Wilgy is in process of making a Stormlight game)

No, Wilgy is like super sick this cycle

[VOTE: Thunal] aubergine

Goodnight.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 12:18 am I think @DrWilgy should be in charge like jjj said

no

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 7:05 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:50 pm I really don't like DM's vote.
btw DrWilgy

Is this comment why you didn't add DarlingMonroe on your list of the voters on LoRab?

Darling didn't yeet Seanzoe last cycle.

It's just those 3 goobers that have taken poor back to back yeets.

If Michelle wants me to not vote there and feels the need to self pres, it should be through someone who's not LoRab. Even if LoRab is wolf, Michelle should find a teammate and vote there as it's still an infinitely better option.

Poll runs till Sun Dec 10, 2023 8:30 pm
Please note that if you vote, your vote will be visible.

You may select 1 option

‪☆Princess Abigail☆‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
bereft
1
9%
Voters: Scotty
‪Cape90‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪DarlingMonroe‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪DrWilgy‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪JaggedJimmyJay‬
1
9%
Voters: RondoDimBuckle
‪LoRab‬
4
36%
Voters: DarlingMonroe, Michelle, robyn, Thunal33
‪Michelle‬
2
18%
Voters: JaggedJimmyJay, DrWilgy
‪robyn‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪RondoDimBuckle‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪Scotty‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪S~V~S‬
1
9%
Voters: Cape90
‪Thunal33‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪ts account‬
0
No votes
Voters: None

2
18%
Voters: Bereft, Roxy

Some agenda ass shit if I've ever seen it.

Stop letting Robyn, Thunal and Michelle yeet afk slots for free.

I'd quicker toss Bereft, SVS or Jay.

Do not toss the afk slot two days in a row, please.

Fyuck no, we are not meeting another afk slot back to back

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 3:47 pm
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Who died?
Poll runs till Mon Dec 11, 2023 4:30 am
Please note that if you vote, your vote will be visible.

You may select 1 option

‪☆Princess Abigail☆‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
bereft
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪Cape90‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪DarlingMonroe‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪DrWilgy‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪JaggedJimmyJay‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪LoRab‬
2
18%
Voters: robyn, Thunal33
‪Michelle‬
3
27%
Voters: JaggedJimmyJay, DrWilgy, Scotty
‪robyn‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪RondoDimBuckle‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪Scotty‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪S~V~S‬
2
18%
Voters: DarlingMonroe, Cape90
‪Thunal33‬
1
9%
Voters: RondoDimBuckle
‪ts account‬
0
No votes
Voters: None

3
27%
Voters: Bereft, Michelle, Roxy
Total votes: 11
VC

LoRab‬. 2. Voters: robyn, Thunal33
‪Michelle‬. 3 Voters: JaggedJimmyJay, DrWilgy, Scotty
‪S~V~S‬. 2. Voters: DarlingMonroe, Cape90
‪Thunal33‬. 1. Voters: RondoDimBuckle

Me having a good day irl is bad for town, I see I am top wagon
I have a few pings I will answer asap at them before anything

Welcome back friend. Glad you are having a good day.

Yo I thought the poll closed in like 2.5 hours and was concerned with the activity levels. I'll actually be home from the hospital before poll closes!

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 3:20 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 3:14 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 1:59 pm I would very much love to hear reads on Bereft and robyn from @S~V~S, @DrWilgy, @LoRab, @Michelle, and anyone else that hasn’t recently stated them. That’ll be nice for me to assess the general game state. Thanks.
Pretty sure I commented on this recently. Robyn still feels in wolf range. 1 in Bereft/Robyn still makes sense and I've seen nothing to change this.
Thanks. I’ve not seen either as mafia to my memory, so I can’t speak to range. Do you think there are town/mafia combinations in that pair to be considered, or do you consider them aligned?

Don't think their aligned, nor am I at capacity to make team combinations with them and unknowns at the moment. I could toss either over and see how things pan out post flips as I'm unsure how I'd determine between them currently. This is why I'm of the game plan "let them cook."

Makes me wonder if I'm actually DrizzleWilgy or not?

So why LoRab > Michelle >= SVS?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 1:59 pm I would very much love to hear reads on Bereft and robyn from @S~V~S, @DrWilgy, @LoRab, @Michelle, and anyone else that hasn’t recently stated them. That’ll be nice for me to assess the general game state. Thanks.

Pretty sure I commented on this recently. Robyn still feels in wolf range. 1 in Bereft/Robyn still makes sense and I've seen nothing to change this.

licked indeed

@Michelle I've reviewed and still think that my vote on you makes sense for reasons I've stated previously. Allow me to explain more precisely on some things.

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 5:51 pm You force me to self press on Sean

This post was the first indication of you desiring to place a vote anywhere, it wasn't caused by hunting but a justification of a vote that needed none as there was nothing to justify against.

It's not like you had stated "I want to vote X but you force me to vote Y" where the justification would've made sense.

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 2:26 pm [VOTE: Jay] aubergine

Since you complained about Omgus, take it

Your next indication of vote/suspicion was more silliness and this was in spite of being a d1 counter wagon that you were cognisant of.

Following this, I've still not seen a legitimate suspicion or signs of hunting from your slot. You seem mostly fixated on Jay (which is fine, I too am fixated on Jay for other reasons) but there's nothing besides that present.

ew, EoD is today.

Any technical vote examination will need to wait till next cycle, feel free to kill me to prevent that from happening wolves.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 4:51 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 9:52 am
Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 12:30 am Anyways, I think DrWigly is town for the way he handled EOD yesterday

@DrWilgy Can I ask why you scumread robyn? They are probably my top townread right now
Robyn is aware enough to point out that I've observed the dichotomy between them and Bereft. Energy level is not what I associate with T Robyn. Movement on poll is very forceful.

If they get a pelt doing as they do, fine, but until they flip someone, or flip themselves, it's hard to not observe such a heavy hand with interactions as such with Bereft and not see it as knowing.
I tinfoil a robyn J3 world.

Thoughts?

Very easy to tinfoil, very complex in execution, both Jay and Robyn are still within their wolf ranges, but for this to be proven true/false we should let them cook.

Only after do I think I'd expend the time/energy on crossing the two.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 4:19 pm Why is DrWilgy town?

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DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 9:38 pm Someone tell me the cases for the lead wagons, I'm stuck in work hell and going to see the kids tomorrow so activity/reread time will be light today if at all.

Scotty/Thunal.

Clearly there's a wolf in the Scotty, Bereft, Cape90, Jay realm, so which of these is it?

Wilgy arrived to the game late after the thread had ballooned quite a bit. For him to open his solving in this manner is very Wilgy-appropriate. Instead of either saying nothing relevant or spamming out considerable "false solving" content as he sometimes does as mafia, he fell in the right midpoint.

He pointed to the immediately visible wagon: Scotty - 3 (Bereft, Cape90, Jay), and he made a read on the basis of that poll. It was the data he could operate with without needing to be caught up, and it's exactly the kind of read that Wilgy thrives on (whether he is right or wrong).

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DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 10:20 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 12:32 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 9:38 pm Someone tell me the cases for the lead wagons, I'm stuck in work hell and going to see the kids tomorrow so activity/reread time will be light today if at all.

Scotty/Thunal.

Clearly there's a wolf in the Scotty, Bereft, Cape90, Jay realm, so which of these is it?
I dunno, but I’m gonna be pissed if I get D1’d again by a bad Jay only for town to lose to him in endgame.
Understandable.

No thoughts on your voters while responding to this inquiry feels weird.

When Scotty replied in a reads-neutral manner, Wilgy was cordial in receiving that reply but also remained severe in keeping Scotty on his toes. Wilgy has an eye for communicative weaseling, and I like that he is playing that way here.

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DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:14 pm as it stands from my gleaning afew pages.

Could vote Bereft, Scotty, Robyn.

Gonna start skimming ISOs.

After a few pages of getting context, Wilgy arrives at these three suspects. Two were involved in the prior Scotty wagon dynamic (Scotty and Bereft), and one is glued at the hip to Bereft (robyn). This makes perfect Wilgyan sense.

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DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 2:23 pm Michelle is, underwhelming, but I can at least see where t Michelle sees Robyns inquiry towards J as weird.

I wouldn't yeet.

One could accuse Wilgy of being too easy on Michelle here, but his conduct today is a nice counter to that. He also voted Michelle on Day 1 in the end based on his preference against getting the zero poster. Wilgy is a data-driven player (and votes/flips are his most important resources), so I completely believe his opposition to killing Seanzie.

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DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 10:37 am Gross.

2 of our dead as no voters feels like a personal offense to me.

Case in point. [though, while the Seanzie and Long Con deaths may not be great for data collection, it's at least preferable to have town who place votes alive right now]

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DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 10:48 am Just skimmed the Longest Congest and Scotty unlikely made this kill while at the same time receiving this curse. So that's neat.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 12:36 pm Also [VOTE: SVS] aubergine.

In reading through LC, I find Scotty to be just town, and now kinda get the SVS wagon. Also skimmed SVS's ISO and they seem to be in range.

Great nuance. Wilgy goat.

~~~

I town read Wilgy on gut, and this review converts gut to data. He is a strong town read.

It is hard to argue with correct interpretation of my play in spite of desires to devil's advocate.

I will ask, what makes the interactions I viewed between Scotty, LC and SVS great in nuance? I see it as nothing more than acknowledging the necessity of town legacy. Thunal has even advised that the Scotty killing LC is thinner than I had originally advised.

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 3:21 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 3:06 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 2:43 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 2:26 pm [VOTE: Jay] aubergine

Since you complained about Omgus, take it
Not town
I concur
Explain

You were the counter wagon d1, a silly looking vote doesn't look good in that light.

I feel that I should have a more clear means of knowing your headspace given how much traction you had and that's just not the case. I will review your more recent stuff, but as it stands when I saw this it felt almost in confirmation of the d1 wagon.

The amount of people including me in their town reads reeks of agenda.

Good morning.

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 2:43 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 2:26 pm [VOTE: Jay] aubergine

Since you complained about Omgus, take it
Not town

I concur

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 1:20 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 1:06 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 1:04 pm I feel like the obvious reason for the LC kill would be if SVS was town and Scotty was a wolf. What if Scotty cursed himself?
Feels like w would rather just be able to say clearly "I wouldn't make that kill"

Are we to assume Scotty trusted one of us to say it for them while commiting to the bit?
Maybe, but I feel like someone else saying it wouldn't be far fetched especially when there's 3 other mafia.

Fair enough. Feels pretty all or nothing to me, but it may be the case.

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